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The anti-AI sentiment in the free software communities is concerning.
Whenever AI is mentioned lots of people in the Linux space immediately react negatively. Creators like TheLinuxExperiment on YouTube always feel the need to add a disclaimer that "some people think AI is problematic" or something along those lines if an AI topic is discussed.
I get that AI has many problems but at the same time the potential it has is immense, especially as an assistant on personal computers (just look at what "Apple Intelligence" seems to be capable of.) Gnome and other desktops need to start working on integrating FOSS AI models so that we don't become obsolete. Using an AI-less desktop may be akin to hand copying books after the printing press revolution.
If you think of specific problems it is better to point them out and try think of solutions, not reject the technology as a whole.
TLDR: A lot of ludite sentiments around AI in Linux community.
Perplexica - An AI-powered search engine 🔎
GitHub - ItzCrazyKns/Perplexica: Perplexica is an AI-powered search engine. It is an Open source alternative to Perplexity AI
Perplexica is an AI-powered search engine. It is an Open source alternative to Perplexity AI - ItzCrazyKns/PerplexicaGitHub
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[Question] Manjaro, out of curiosity question, does the image on boot has any security implication regarding logoFAIL?
Hi everyone :).
Just getting started with Manjaro as daily drive to get some easier arched based distro. Except for the LVM bug with calamares everything is pretty smooth :).
But at first boot, I saw they have added their personal Manjaro logo on boot and I directly though of the bug exploit logoFAIL I heard a few month ago and It made me curious if this is something that could be exploitable by Manjaro.
Probably not, this would harm their image and hard worked system, but I'm still curious... If someone smarter/more knowledgeable than me could chime in and give some valuable information on this topic regarding Manjaro, I would really appreciate it !
Thank you !
"Just set your clock back"
My brother in Christ, you just need to renew the cert. If anything tell users to hit ignore.
(This is the though that went though my head when it happened)
No argument from me there, the aur is not very well made. On arch I do have some issues with how the aur is operated along with the behavior of arch maintainers. Not to the point I'd state using the distro is a bad choice though, as quite a few are minor, disagreements on tech philosophy, or currently being addressed.
My issue with manjaro is their continual incompetence while most of the time doing nothing to stop the issue from recurring. Most of the problems I have seen manjaro go through are repeated. They don't learn. Their issues aren't just structural but a culture the company holds onto.
Thank you very much for your throughout and explanatory response !!!! ❤ I also read all the comments and I know what I will be doing !
While I did like the well build defaults, I didn't liked how they added their logo on boot up, even if it has nothing to do with logoFAIL
exploit, It felt wrong (or does every distro does that?). Also the fact they added their own bookmarks in my freshly installed Firefox left me a bit skeptical... :/
There's probably nothing to be alarmed off but That doesn't feel right... If they do that, what else could they add hidden in the distro normal people can't see ?
If I may ask, do you have any good distro you would recommend? Something as bare bone as possible, as good as debian but a bit more up to date. I do not fear some tinkering with a new distro but Arch is a bit to much of a hassle right now... That's why I chose Manjaro.
My second pick was EndeavourOS as daily drive, but the community is small compared to manjaro and it's relatively new in the game. Any thoughts?
Thank you !!
There's a small but vocal minority that absolutely hates the idea of "Arch made easy". They think you should work hard to be worthy of using Arch. Manjaro is their anti-Christ. They show up in every conversation about Manjaro. I call them the "Manjaro sucks btw" people. 😆
They usually mention some irrelevant shit that happened years ago. Sometimes they can't be bothered to type it out and only link to a page that one of them put up. Or literally just say "Manjaro sucks". Sadly, the irony of being lazy when smearing a distro they consider lazy is lost on them.
And here's some of mine: lemmy.world/comment/10439242
I grow weary of Manjaro detractors because the malice is always there. You can't make up your mind whether you hate the developers or what they do. You hate episodes like the "AUR DDoS" without knowing all the facts, or considering how shitty AUR infrastructure is that if a pigeon landed on the roof it would go down, so in the same breath you condemn Manjaro for "AUR incompatibility" and for promoting AUR and for "DDoS"-ing it. I mean pick a lane.
But mostly it's just the hate that always seeps through that bothers me, not the content (which is the same inane stuff on manjarno over and over). What kind of person defines themselves by hate for something they don't even use? There's a million distros out there, there's something for everybody. You're not Inigo Montoya, get over it, Jesus. There was a root exploit unfixed in Debian for a while, do you hate them too? Can you imagine the reactions if there were a root exploit in Manjaro? Is any of this irony getting through?
They don't accept there own mistakes even. They do things like ship a broken kernel and then blame the upstream development.
Why even use it? There are much better options.
Thank you :) EndeavourOS was my second pick !
I picked manjaro because their user base is bigger and Manjaro is older. I will probably switch to EndeavourOS for all the reasons mentionted here and there in the comments. There seems to be a common strange atmosphere arround manjaro.
Also, because that logo thing on boot made me this post, this means I already felt something is odd with Manjaro. Always follow your guts !
Ps: Didn't though it's that much of a heated subject. It's a bit sad, I really liked manjaro's default and looks amazing.
If it was some minor thing I wouldn't care much. I am not a Arch user and I probably will never be.
The problem with Manjaro is the leadership is questionable. It isn't just a few blunders. It is repeated mistakes that have caused real harm. They write themselves off as user friendly but they can't seem to figure out how to manage it properly. I am not against user friendly Arch. However, the nature of Arch means it is very very hard.
Linux Mint and Fedora are much better and don't have the same history of dumb mistakes.
You must've not been around when Mint and Fedora were new.
They've been around for about twice as long as Manjaro. They made plenty of blunders.
caused real harm
Lol.
Found a security bug in LMDE6, need some help
Reporting an issue | Linux Mint Projects by linuxmint
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This is a Xorg issue and there isn't much of a fix. Anytime the lockscreen malfunctions you can get access to the desktop.
Wayland doesn't have this issue by design
Yes, go ahead and file the bug. And as others mentioned already, the custom screensaver modifications of XScreensaver like for LM may have bugs. The author of XScreensaver has been complaining about this several times.
The bug you found looks similar to this one :
Unlocking a machine locked with Xfce's screensaver xfce4-screensaver has long been a simple matter of turning two monitors on at the exact same time. That makes Xfce4-screensaver versions prior to 0.1.9 segfault and crash - leaving the machine unlocked. This very unfortunate Xfce bug #16102 has been open since October 29th 2019 and we have pointed fingers at it several times before. Xfce developer Sean Davis has finally closed this gaping security hole. He explained that the embarrassingly long delay before this security vulnerability was addressed was due to "real life conflicts" in a brief comment on March 22nd. He did not elaborate and we did not ask for further details since it is likely none of our business.
BusKill Warrant Canary for 2024 H2 🕵️
BusKill Canary #8 - BusKill
This post contains the cryptographically-signed BusKill warrant canary #008 for June 2024 to January 2025.BusKill Team (BusKill)
Mozilla Firefox Blocks Add-Ons to Circumvent Russia Censorship
Firefox Browser Blocks Anti-Censorship Add-Ons at Russia’s Request
At Russia’s request, Firefox web browser maker Mozilla blocked add-ons that are designed to circumvent internet censorship.Nikita Mazurov (The Intercept)
It's not ethical.
Chrome, and Google, however, are worse. Firefox derived browsers are the lesser of two evils, at least they prevent Google having a total monopoly.
Bazzite 3.0.1 Update Released
Bazzite 3.0.1 Update Released
Squashing Bugs 🪲 This minor update focuses on patching up bugs that occurred in version 3.0.0 while also adding a few enhancements to Bazzite.Universal Blue
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It mentions it fixed bluetooth issues with certain devices, I wonder if it's related to what I'm experiencing on regular fedora KDE (and EndeavorOS too) with a kernel version 6.9.3, CachyOS kernel on fedora, Liqourix on EndeavorOS, where my game controller will not connect to Bluetooth unless I restart the bluetooth service or pair the controller again.
With Fedora's default kernel which is currently 6.8.11 I don't have this issue. Honeslty I don't know what's up, and from a quick search I couldn't find people with the same issue. I'll search again later just in case
Actually, I did have this exact issue last time I used bazzite, and ended up switching to fedora.
Bluetooth would just stop working. Which was an issue because I was using a dual shock as a mouse and for gaming
Intel Low Power Mode Daemon v0.0.4 Released To Optimize Hybrid CPUs On Linux
Intel Low Power Mode Daemon v0.0.4 Released To Optimize Hybrid CPUs On Linux
Intel Low Power Mode Daemon v0.0.4 has been released with 'LPMD' being the open-source daemon for optimize active idle power for modern Core hybrid CPUs under Linux that sport a combination of the E and P cores.www.phoronix.com
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Is Lemmy going to allow Intel posts and forget that Intel is on the top of the list for BDS?
@AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml sorry to tag the top mod
Press Release: BDS movement launches #BoycottIntel global campaign
Apartheid Chips -#BoycottIntel! No tech for apartheid, no tech for genocide!BDS Movement
I'll let you guys make the decision about what to do. At least do let me comment that supporting Intel is supporting genocide.
I type this on a 1 year old desktop with an Intel chip. So hey, we're all learning.
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hybrid cpu
5 times and still thought this was something about hybrid graphics.
[Solved-ish] Having issues launching games specifically from steam
Hi all!
I've recently come across an issue with launching games from steam. For now I've seen it happen on two games (or rather demos): Crow Country and Sophonce. They launch fine but have some flickering black blocks on the screen that make them unplayable. Here are some images:
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This only happens when they go full-screen and on wayland, on X11 works fine. I've tried many versions of proton including eggroll variants.
The games work fine when launched with wine without steam in the middle if i do wine <game.exe>
. If i do it this way the games detect that I'm running on an ultra-wide screen and play as such but through steam they stay on 16:9 instead.
My system:
Os: Nobara 40
Kernel: 6.8.12-200.fsync.fc40.x86_64
DE: Gnome 46.2
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (16) @ 5,05 GHz
GPU 1: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
RAM: 32GB
Any help is appreciated,
Thanks!
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Maybe the problem isn’t being addressed because it was reported to Mesa user-space driver, but maybe the problem is in kernel module. It’s also not 100% always reproducible.
Linus Torvalds Throws Down The Hammer: Extensible Scheduler "sched_ext" In Linux 6.11
Linus Torvalds Throws Down The Hammer: Extensible Scheduler "sched_ext" In Linux 6.11
The extensible scheduler 'sched_ext' code has proven quite versatile for opening up better Linux gaming performance, more quickly prototyping new scheduler changes, Ubuntu/Canonical has been evaluating it for pursuing a more micro-kernel like design,…www.phoronix.com
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Is Linux Mint's package repository having issues or is the problem on my end? (Solved, I think)
Edit: Last night, I used the "Fix MergeList problems" option in the maintenance tab of software sources and at least for now, it seems to be working. So I probably wont need help with this anymore, hopefully.
Every hour or two, the Update Manager keeps giving me an error message saying that my APT configuration is corrupt and that I should switch to another Linux Mint mirror. It usually goes away when I do a manual refresh but it just keeps coming back. I have also tried switching to a different mirror but I get the same error. It also tells me to run apt-get update
but even if I add "sudo" it just gives me an error message saying to run apt-get update
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It happened again so I'm adding screenshots in case they help. The first is the initial error, then it's the error I get when I try to change the repository and the third is the error I get when I try running the command it suggested:
This appears to have solved the same problem for others :
- rileymacdonald.ca/2018/04/02/u…
sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
sudo apt update
[Ubuntu] How I resolved E: The package cache file is corrupted - Riley MacDonald
How I resolved E: The package cache file is corrupted using apt for UbuntuRiley MacDonald
Can a browser and keepass both be run in flatpak and work?
Hey all!
(I did post this in c/flatpak, but this community is more active. I am not sure where would be more appropriate)
Something that I have been wanting to get working is having my browser and password manager both in flatpak. I really like being sandbox and having faster updates if the distro is on the slower side perhaps.
I have a set up with Firefox as a deb and keepassxc as a flat and that works find as one would expect. I did want to install Vivaldi as a flatpak and was not able to get it to talk with keepass.
In my reading I found this:
installing KeePassXC natively, which you’d actually want for security reasons.
installing KeePassXC natively, which you’d actually want for security reasons
What is mean by that line of reasoning?
[HOW TO] Run Firefox *and* KeePassXC in a flatpak and get the KeePassXC-Browser add-on to work
I haven’t had a chance to digest all of this yet, but besides all the GitHub links it is probably worth referencing this ticket in Mozilla’s bug tracker for the Firefox Flatpak regarding support for KeePassXC and other extensions that use native mess…Flathub Discourse
Is it possible to use KeepassXC browser extension on Firefox flatpak version?
Both KeepassXC and Firefox are installed via flatpak. In the KeepassXC Browser Integration tab, it sayts that it doesn’t support snap, but flatpak is not mentioned.Fedora Discussion
works fine as one would expect.
Not that self explanatory, I wonder howinstall Vivaldi as a flatpak and was not able to get it to talk with keepass.
No the native messaging portal is missing
What is mean by that line of reasoning?
Makes no sense. The Flatpak is official and more isolated than native packages. Reduce the number of system apps as much as possible.
See my thread on the methods but they are all hacky. You could copy the KeepassXC binary to the Browser flatpak container and launch it from there. But this needs to be repeated on every update, but it is possible and can be automated.
Is it possible to use KeepassXC browser extension on Firefox flatpak version?
Both KeepassXC and Firefox are installed via flatpak. In the KeepassXC Browser Integration tab, it sayts that it doesn’t support snap, but flatpak is not mentioned.Fedora Discussion
Titus' Linux Problems
Linux Problems
As a power user, switching to Linux is HARD. However, here are some of the problems I encountered and how I overcame them. ►► Digital Downloads ➜ https://www...YouTube
Don't know anything about Chris Titus Tech as a person (friend of mine says he's a bit crazy but that's it I guess?), but they probably see negativity about Linux and downvote. The title seems to be bad at explaining the video too.
(For those who don't want to watch, Chris basically explains the issues he's had with Linux for video production, and why his set-up is the way it is.)
Oh I see, appreciate the background.
Yeah it was very sad to see the byran situation unfold. I was also a fan of that series.
like other said the rest of my thoughts
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Damn. Two people having an adult, and respectful disagreement on the internet. I never thought I'd see the day.
Great job both of you.
I didn't downvote it, but I really didn't like the video. It goes like "the things that are problems in Linux" and then starts talking about an extremely customized system, from DE to kernel, to audio...
I don't think he gets, in general at least, to explain why those are needed, just how complex it all is. It would have been more interesting to say "this are the problems with an out of the box distro, and the hurdles it took me go fix each one".
Mind you, this doesn't mean I think a fresh install of Ubuntu can perfectly work for him. But knowing what didn't work and why might be more helpful for people considering the same
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Unknown parent • • •MudMan
Unknown parent • • •Yeah, on that I'm gonna say it's unnecessary. I don't know what "integration with the desktop" gets you that you can't get from having a web app open or a separate window open. If you need some multimodal goodness you can just take a screenshot and paste it in.
I'd be more concerned about model performance and having a well integrated multimodal assistant that can do image generation, image analysis and text all at once. We have individual models but nothing like that that is open and free, that I know of.
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Unknown parent • • •Rozaŭtuno
in reply to FatCat • • •[Citation needed]
And this mentality is exactly what AI sceptics criticise. The whole reason why the AI arms race is going on is because every company/organisation seems convinced that sci-fi like AI is right behind the corner, and the first one to get it will capture 100% of the market in their walled garden while everyone else fades into obscurity. They're all so obsessed with this that they don't see a problem with putting in charge a virtual dumbass that is constantly wrong.
MentalEdge
Unknown parent • • •Apple's "private cloud" is a thing. Not all "Apple Intelligence" features are "on device", some can and do utilize cloud-based processing power, and this will also be available to app developers.
Apparently this has additional safeguards vs "normal cloud" which is why they are branding it "private cloud".
But it's still "someone else's computer" and apple is not keeping their AI implementation 100% on device.
moreeni
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Unknown parent • • •chronicledmonocle
in reply to FatCat • • •I'm not against AI. I'm against the hoards of privacy-disrespecting data collection, the fact that everybody is irresponsibility rushing to slap AI into everything even when it doesn't make sense because line go up, and the fact nobody is taking the limitations of things like Large Language Models seriously.
The current AI craze is like the NFTs craze in a lot of ways, but more useful and not going to just disappear. In a year or three the crazed C-level idiots chasing the next magic dragon will settle down, the technology will settle into the places where it's actually useful, and investors will stop throwing all the cash at any mention of AI with zero skepticism.
It's not Luddite to be skeptical of the hot new craze. It's prudent as long as you don't let yourself slip into regressive thinking.
Handles
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •Completely agree and I'll do you one better:
What is being sold as AI doesn't hold a candle to actual artificial intelligence, they're error prone statistical engines incapable of delivering more than the illusion of intelligence. The only reason they were launched to the public is that corporations were anxious not to be the last on the market — whether their product was ready or not.
I'm happy to be a Luddite if it means having the capacity for critical thought to Just Not Use Imperfect Crapware™.
unlawfulbooger
in reply to Handles • • •The Luddite
theluddite.orgTelorand
Unknown parent • • •Right, but like I said, there's several lawsuits (and threatened lawsuits) right now that might achieve the same goals of those speaking against how it's currently used.
I don't think anyone here is arguing for LLMs to go away completely, they just want to be compensated fairly for their work (else, restrict the use of said work).
Killing_Spark
in reply to hydroptic • • •davel
Unknown parent • • •You misunderstand the Luddite movement. They weren’t anti-technology, they were anti-capitalist exploitation.
The 1810s: The Luddites act against destitution
umami_wasabi
in reply to FatCat • • •I don't get it. How Linux destops would become obsolete if they don't have native AI toolsets on DEs? It's not like they have a 80% market share. People who run them as daily drivers are still niche, and most don't even know Linux exists. Most ppl grown up with Microsoft and Apple shoving ads down their throat, using them in schools first hand, and that's all they know and taught. If I need AI, I will find ways to intergrate to my workflow, not by the dev thinks I need it.
And if you really need something like MS's Recall, here is a FOSS version of it.
GitHub - openrecall/openrecall: OpenRecall is a fully open-source, privacy-first alternative to proprietary solutions like Microsoft's Windows Recall. With OpenRecall, you can easily access your digital history, enhancing your memory and productivity with
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Unknown parent • • •Indeed: look no further than Alpine Linux.
Linux distribution with a focus on minimalism and security
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)umami_wasabi
Unknown parent • • •KeriKitty (They(/It))
in reply to FatCat • • •[Sarcastic 'translation'] tl;dr: A lot of people who are relatively well-placed to understand how much technology is involved even in downvoting this post are downvoting this post because they're afraid of technology!
Just more fad-worshipping foolishness, drooling over a buzzword and upset that others call it what it is. I want it to be over but I'm sure whatever comes next will be just as infuriating. Oh no, now our cursors all have to change according to built-in (to the cursor, somehow, for some reason) software that tracks our sleep patterns! All of our cursors will be obsolete (?!??) unless they can scalably synergize with the business logic core to our something or other 😴
wvstolzing
in reply to umami_wasabi • • •The prize of the competition is what the competitors compete for.
There's a prize and the winner gets it; the loser doesn't get it.
Why is this so hard to understand? I guess it's nature's way of weeding out the losers.
Hellmo_luciferrari
in reply to FatCat • • •AI isn't a magic bullet. Sure it has it's uses, but you have to weigh it's usefulness to the ideology behind a project and it's creators. Just because a software developer or community doesn't embrace AI doesn't mean they will be "obsolete."
AI is the current trend that is being shoehorned into everything. I mean literally everything. I don't think we need AI touching everything.
I don't want or need AI crammed into my desktop environment. And I surely don't want it interjecting into my filesystem with my data. It is a privacy concern. And many of other people will feel the same or similarly as I do.
AI is a tool, and with all tools: use the appropriate tool for the job.
technocrit
in reply to FatCat • • •lol no thanks.
edinbruh
in reply to FatCat • • •AI has a lot of great uses, and a lot of stupid smoke and mirrors uses.
For example, text to speech and live captioning or transcription are useful.
"Hypothetical AI desktop" "Siri" "copilot+" and other assistants are smoke and mirrors. Mainly because they don't work. But if they did, they would be unreliable (because ai is unreliable) and would have to be limited to not cause issues. And so they would not be useful.
Plus, on Linux they would be especially unusefull, because there's a million ways to do different things, and a million different setups. What if you asked the ai "change the screen resolution" and it started editing some gnome files while you are on KDE, or if it started mangling your xorg.conf because it's heavily customized.
Plus, every openai stuff you are seeing this days doesn't really work because it's clever, it works because it's huge. Chatgpt needs to be trained for days of week on specialized hardware, who's gonna pay for all that in the open source community?
technocrit
in reply to Womble • • •Would? You're slipping between imaginary and apparently declarative statements. Very typical of "AI" hype.
technocrit
Unknown parent • • •Thankfully I really really don't need an "AI" to use my desktop. I don't want that kind of BS bloat either. But go ahead and install whatever you want on your machine.
FatCat
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Unknown parent • • •rtxn
in reply to FatCat • • •DudeImMacGyver
in reply to NoiseColor • • •Words have meaning and, sure, they can be abused and change meaning over time but let's be real here: AI is a hype term with no basis on reality. We do not have AI, we aren't even all that close. You can make all the ad hominem comments you want but at the end of the day, the terminology comes from ignorant figureheads hyping shit up for profit (at great environmental cost too, LLM aka "AI" takes up a lot of power while yielding questionable results).
Kinda sounds like you bought into the hype, friend.
WallEx
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Unknown parent • • •wvstolzing
in reply to umami_wasabi • • •... also I hope you're aware that I'm saying all of this 'ironically', to poke fun at the mental gymnastics in the OP's post.
lemmyvore
in reply to FatCat • • •You can't do machine learning without tons of data and processing power.
Commercial "AI" has been built on fucking over everything that moves, on both counts. They suck power at alarming rates, especially given the state of the climate, and they blatantly ignore copyright and privacy.
FOSS tends to be based on a philosophy that's strongly opposed to at least some of these methods. To start with, FOSS is build around respecting copyright and Microsoft is currently stealing GitHub code, anonymizing it, and offering it under their Copilot product, while explicitly promising companies who buy Copilot that they will insulate them from any legal downfall.
So yeah, some people in the "Linux space" are a bit annoyed about these things, to put it mildly.
Edit: but, to address your concerns, there's nothing to be gained by rushing head-first into new technology. FOSS stands to gain nothing from early adoption. FOSS is a cultural movement not a commercial entity. When and if t
... show moreYou can't do machine learning without tons of data and processing power.
Commercial "AI" has been built on fucking over everything that moves, on both counts. They suck power at alarming rates, especially given the state of the climate, and they blatantly ignore copyright and privacy.
FOSS tends to be based on a philosophy that's strongly opposed to at least some of these methods. To start with, FOSS is build around respecting copyright and Microsoft is currently stealing GitHub code, anonymizing it, and offering it under their Copilot product, while explicitly promising companies who buy Copilot that they will insulate them from any legal downfall.
So yeah, some people in the "Linux space" are a bit annoyed about these things, to put it mildly.
Edit: but, to address your concerns, there's nothing to be gained by rushing head-first into new technology. FOSS stands to gain nothing from early adoption. FOSS is a cultural movement not a commercial entity. When and if the technology will be practical and widely available it will be incorporated into FOSS. If it won't be practical or will be proprietary, it won't. There's nothing personal about that.
GitHub Copilot litigation · Joseph Saveri Law Firm & Matthew Butterick
githubcopilotlitigation.comumami_wasabi
in reply to wvstolzing • • •Womble
in reply to DragonConsort • • •Womble
in reply to technocrit • • •Local models WOULD form the basis of FOSS AI. Supposition on my part but entirely supportable given there is already a open source model movement focus on producing local models and open source software is generally privacy focused.
Local models ARE inherently private due to the way that no information leaves the device it is processed on.
I know you dont want to engage with arguments and instead just wail at the latest daemon for internet points, but you can have more than one statement in a sentence without being incoherent.
moritz
in reply to FatCat • • •Great technology is invisible.
As long as AI is advertised as being a unique selling point, I'm not interested.
Yes. There a problems with the Gnome desktop environment. Without looking at the issue tracker, I can assure you that AI is not the solution to any of them. Even if AI may be a possible solution to a problem, it would probably not be the best one.
Successful technology is invisible
Roberto Saracco (IEEE Future Directions)umami_wasabi
in reply to technocrit • • •NoiseColor
in reply to DudeImMacGyver • • •You missed the point again, oh dear!
Let me try again in simpler terms : you yourself dont define words, how they are used in the public does. So if the world calls it ai, then the word will mean what everybody means when they use it.
This is how the words come to be, evolve and are at the end put in the dictionary. Nobody cares what you think. Ai today includes ML. Get over it.
Nice try with deflection attempts, but I really don't care about them, I'm only here to teach you where words come from and to tell you, the article is written about you.
Also that I'm out of time for this. Bye.
NoiseColor
in reply to Auli • • •bloodfart
in reply to FatCat • • •Good.
The Luddites were right.
bigmclargehuge
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in reply to FatCat • • •In addition to everything everyone else has already said, why does this have anything to do with desktop environments at all? Remember, most open-source software comes from one or two individual programmers scratching a personal itch—not all of it is part of your DE, nor should it be. If someone writes an open-source LLM-driven program that does something useful to a significant segment of the Linux community, it will get packaged by at least some distros, accrete various front-ends in different toolkits, and so on.
However, I don't think that day is coming soon. Most of the things "Apple Intelligence" seems to be intended to fuel are either useless or downright offputting to me, and I doubt I'm the only one—for instance, I don't talk to my computer unless I'm cussing it out, and I'd rather it not understand that. My guess is that the first desktop-directed offering we see in Linux is going to be an image generator frontend, which I don't need but can see use cas
... show moreIn addition to everything everyone else has already said, why does this have anything to do with desktop environments at all? Remember, most open-source software comes from one or two individual programmers scratching a personal itch—not all of it is part of your DE, nor should it be. If someone writes an open-source LLM-driven program that does something useful to a significant segment of the Linux community, it will get packaged by at least some distros, accrete various front-ends in different toolkits, and so on.
However, I don't think that day is coming soon. Most of the things "Apple Intelligence" seems to be intended to fuel are either useless or downright offputting to me, and I doubt I'm the only one—for instance, I don't talk to my computer unless I'm cussing it out, and I'd rather it not understand that. My guess is that the first desktop-directed offering we see in Linux is going to be an image generator frontend, which I don't need but can see use cases for even if usage of the generated images is restricted (see below).
Anyway, if this is your particular itch, you can scratch it—by paying someone to write the code for you (or starting a crowdfunding campaign for same), if you don't know how to do it yourself. If this isn't worth money or time to you, why should it be to anyone else? Linux isn't in competition with the proprietary OSs in the way you seem to think.
As for why LLMs are so heavily disliked in the open-source community? There are three reasons:
Item 1 can theoretically be solved by bigger and better AI models, but 2 and 3 can't be. They have to be decided by the courts, and at an international level, too. We might even be talking treaty negotiations. I'd be surprised if that takes less than ten years. In the meanwhile, for instance, it's very, very dangerous for any open-source project to accept a code patch written with the aid of an LLM—depending on the conclusion the courts come to, it might have to be torn out down the line, along with everything built on top of it. The inability to use LLM output for open source or commercial purposes without taking a big legal risk kneecaps the value of the applications. Unlike Apple or Microsoft, the Linux community can't bribe enough judges to make the problems disappear.
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Unknown parent • • •I'm not against probabilistic models and the like. I merely try to capture part of the reason they are not always well received in the floss community.
I use LLMs regularly, and there is nothing rivalling them in many use cases.
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Unknown parent • • •I used ubuntu until a few weeks ago, where I switched to Pop OS. In this sense, I might be close to the "normies". Yet, I am incredibly skeptical of AI.
It's distinct.
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in reply to FatCat • • •Because whenever AI is mentioned it usually isn't even close to what AI meant.
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in reply to FatCat • • •But you're right on the fact that Linux should be a bit more interested on AI and tried to made it the right way! But for now there's no really good use cases of AI inside a distro. LLMs are good but do not need to be linked to user activities. Image generators are great but do not need to be linked to user activities... As exemple when Windows tried Recall and failed. Apple iOS 18 wants to implement that, and this should be surely a success inside the Apple minded people. But here where FOSS, privacy and anti Big-Techs guys are the main people that's absolutely sure that every for-profit "new AI" feature would be really hated. I'm not against this mind just giving facts
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in reply to FatCat • • •As someone whose employer is strongly pushing them to use AI assistants in coding: no. At best, it's like being tied to a shitty intern that copies code off stack overflow and then blows me up on slack when it magically doesn't work. I still don't understand why everyone is so excited about them. The only tasks they can handle competently are tasks I can easily do on my own (and with a lot less re-typing.)
Sure, they'll grow over the years, but Altman et al are complaining that they're running out of training data. And even with an unlimited body of training data for future models, we'll still end up with something about as intelligent as a kid that's been locked in a windowless room with books their whole life and can either parrot opinions they've read or make shit up and hope you believe it. I'll think we'll get a series of incompetent products with increasing ability to make wrong shit up on the fly until C-suite moves on to the next shiny bullshit.
That's not to say we're not capable of creating a generally-intelligent system on par with or exceeding human intelli
... show moreAs someone whose employer is strongly pushing them to use AI assistants in coding: no. At best, it's like being tied to a shitty intern that copies code off stack overflow and then blows me up on slack when it magically doesn't work. I still don't understand why everyone is so excited about them. The only tasks they can handle competently are tasks I can easily do on my own (and with a lot less re-typing.)
Sure, they'll grow over the years, but Altman et al are complaining that they're running out of training data. And even with an unlimited body of training data for future models, we'll still end up with something about as intelligent as a kid that's been locked in a windowless room with books their whole life and can either parrot opinions they've read or make shit up and hope you believe it. I'll think we'll get a series of incompetent products with increasing ability to make wrong shit up on the fly until C-suite moves on to the next shiny bullshit.
That's not to say we're not capable of creating a generally-intelligent system on par with or exceeding human intelligence, but I really don't think LLMs will allow for that.
tl;dr: a lot of woo in the tech community that the linux community isn't as on board with
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in reply to FatCat • • •I agree. However, I think it is related to Capitalism and all the sociopathic corporations out there. It's almost impossible to think that anything good will come from the Blue Church controlling even more tech. Capitalism have always used any opportunity to enslave/extort people - that continues with AI under their control.
However, I was also disappointed when I found out how negative 'my' crowd were. I wanted to create an open source lowend AGI to secure poor people a descent life without being attacked by Capitalism every day/hour/second, create abundance, communities, production and and in general help build a social sub society in the midst of the insane blue church and their propagandized believers.
It is perfectly doable to fight the Capitalist religion with homegrown AI based on what we know and have today. But nobody can do it alone, and if there's no-one willing to fight the f*ckers with AI, then it takes time..
I definitely intend to build a revolution-AGI to kill off the Capitalist religion and save exploited poor people. No matter what happen
... show moreI agree. However, I think it is related to Capitalism and all the sociopathic corporations out there. It's almost impossible to think that anything good will come from the Blue Church controlling even more tech. Capitalism have always used any opportunity to enslave/extort people - that continues with AI under their control.
However, I was also disappointed when I found out how negative 'my' crowd were. I wanted to create an open source lowend AGI to secure poor people a descent life without being attacked by Capitalism every day/hour/second, create abundance, communities, production and and in general help build a social sub society in the midst of the insane blue church and their propagandized believers.
It is perfectly doable to fight the Capitalist religion with homegrown AI based on what we know and have today. But nobody can do it alone, and if there's no-one willing to fight the f*ckers with AI, then it takes time..
I definitely intend to build a revolution-AGI to kill off the Capitalist religion and save exploited poor people. No matter what happens, there will be at least one AGI that are trained on revolution, anti-capitalism and building something much better than this effing blue nightmare. The worlds first aggressive 'Commie-bot' ha! 😍
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Unknown parent • • •I work in a medical startup and we provide an AI powered service for semi automatic target detection for neurosurgery specifically for Parkinson's and essential tremor. Many patients have benefitted from it so far with excellent results and the fact that it allows surgeons to perform the entire surgery under general anesthesia makes it much less traumatic and available to many more patients.
It's okay to reconcile that AI is both an amazing tool with a lot of great benefits in some areas AND a lot of assholish data theft and overhyped, unhelpful bloat shoved down our throats in others.
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