New Version of Power Profiles Daemon Improves AMD Support
For those unfamiliar with it, power-profiles-daemon is a low-level component to provide power handling over DBus. Ever used the Power Mode options in the Quick Settings menu in GNOME Shell? Those options interface through this.
From 0.22 Release Notes:
Since this release power-profiles-daemon is also battery-level aware and some drivers use this value to be smarter at tuning their optimizations. In particular both the AMD panel power action now uses a progressive approach, changing the the ABM based on the battery percentage.AMD p-state received various features and improvements:
- it supports core performance boost when not in power-saver mode.
- uses minimum frequency to lowest non-linear frequency
- it is more impervious to faulty firmware and kernel bugs
This should be included in the upcoming Ubuntu 24.10 release.
New Version of Power Profiles Daemon Improves AMD Support
A new version of the Power Profiles Daemon is out, bringing a number of improvements to improve power efficiency on Linux desktops, particularly on AMD devices. For those unfamiliar with it, power-...Joey Sneddon (OMG! Ubuntu!)
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Newgrounds is considering adding activitypub support but is concerned about hosting fees for serving images to millions of people
Original link newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/15375…
The creator of Newgrounds has considered adding ActivityPub support to join the fediverse but is worried it would make their hosting fees untenable by “serving files to millions of people on third party apps“. Can anyone with more knowledge on how this works help them?newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/15375…
Having Newgrounds on the Fediverse would be incredible. Newgrounds has a huge art community, many features not available on any platform and has been around the longest (1999)
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Any arguments against separating identity from instance/platform? (single identity across the fediverse)
I am sure it was discussed here before, but I can't find a good way to search this community.
Are there any arguments against having a user's identity federate, and be compatible across platforms?
For example, let us say I sign up with my instance, matcha_addict@lemy.lol
But what if I go on mastodon, and I want to have my own micro blog. Or maybe go to write freely and post some blog posts. I'd have to make a different account on each one.
What if mastodon or write freely could just let me log in with my lemmy account (or lets call it federated account). This has several benefits:
- users don't have to scratch their head on if I am the same person or not across these platforms
- theoretically, someone following my feed can get updates on what I do on multiple platforms
Now I understand this would be difficult to implement and iron out all the edge cases, but am I missing anything on why it wouldn't be a desirable feature, given it is implemented?
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I agree, but reliance on an instance is already a big issue.
Theoretically, if this gets implemented, it could be possible to federate the ability to sign up elsewhere, or at least make your user downloadable and sign up with it elsewhere
This is a controversial issue.
Some people don't care about having an unique identity and actually favor creating multiple accounts on each service, to present themselves with different avatars depending on who they are interacting with. They are not "attached" to their identities and see this an opportunity to stay pseudonymous online and protect their "real" identity.
Some people think that the instance you join should be also somewhat indicative of your tribe and that they should be able to filter out who they talk about by checking the domain. This view is especially favored by the Mastodon crowd.
And then some other people (I think I would include myself) would like to be able to not just "use" a single identity, but to have portable identity in the Fediverse as a way to ensure that we can remain sovereign over our online presence. I would personally love for Communick customers to be able to use their personal domain, because that would mean that if even if I closed down things tomorrow, they would be able to migrate easily and without depending on me.
Some [...] favor creating multiple accounts on each service
That's fine, this feature wouldn't prevent them!
What you mentioned in your last paragraph is in line with what I want, but maybe more of a next step from there.
So far, the only Fediverse project that lets users with different domains (and identities) under the same server is Takahe, but its development is a bit stalled and it is only supporting Mastodon.
Are you asking all these questions out of mere curiosity or are you willing to commit some type of effort and/or resources to see this happening?
It will be yes! Right now I only have it locally and its messy, but the idea is like this:
- Your home feed allows customizing the sorting algorithm. There's a sensible chronological-based algorithm, but you can customize it more.
- Content is organized into feeds.
- By default, you have your own personal feed similar to a micro blogging platform.
- but you have the ability to have multiple feeds. For example, maybe you're into both technology and wood working, but not all followers are interested in both. So you have separate feeds, and users can follow one or the other.
- A feed isn't only for one person's posts. For example, I might maintain a woodworking feed, but I'd "share" posts from other wood workers. In essence, I am a sort of "content curator". I pick out the good woodworking content and put it in a single feed for you to follow!
- A feed can be like a Lemmy community or a Facebook Group. So it can allow multiple posters, it can be open to anyone to post, or it can be approval-only (but submitted from anyone). It can also be private or public (though that's a low priority feature)
- A feed can use another feed as a source / baseline. This might mean that you get all the other feed's posts, but maybe you as the maintainer filter it further, or add some of your own. Or you can use multiple feeds as the source, so maybe there are multiple good wood working feeds and I like them all, so I combine them
In my opinion, this replaces automated algorithms with manual curation. It also replaces moderation, as you might like a community but wish it was differently moderated, there might be another feed that sources the first feed but with extra moderation!
The project is still in its infancy and I don't get too much time to work on it. But since you're interested, I'll try to get it into an open source-able state (albeit far from workable) and let you know when I do!
I might have good news for you: you don't need to drop ActivityPub to do that. Maybe what you are looking for is very close to my idea of a social web browser, i.e, an ActivityPub-based application that is controlled by the client and not the server.
What programming language are you working on?
At a more abstract level, inviting a bunch of people to play a game, and then changing the rules of the game, is a shitty thing to do.
The fediverse has rules built into it. It has a way that it works. Changing that makes it something else.
Identity belonging to an instance, changing to identity belonging to the fediverse as a whole.
Identities containing @instance format.
Identities being federated.
This is an implementation detail, it's not required by any part whatsoever of the activitypub protocol.
All that AP cares about is that actors have an URL for their inboxes and outboxes. You can have even servers to serve your actor id from a different domain in your instances.
Hell, you can even have no "instance" at all. You can have just a bunch of static files to serve your webfinger queries and bio and even the outbox, regardless of the username that you have.
I think it's fine to have people trying to use a simplified mental model to understand new concepts. But it becomes a problem when people start taking these mental models and try to justify their opinions on incomplete abstractions.
And web browsers were only meant to be a language for formatting documents, yet software engineers realized it could do a lot more than that.
It's not just because someone design things one way that automatically all other use cases become invalid. This argument makes no sense.
That's going to be a problem whatever solution you come up with, because of the federated nature of the lemmy system.
There's no central authority to hand out usernames, so if two people sign up to different instances with the same username, any design which didn't attach instance name to each username would fail. The only way around it would be for each instance to contact every other instance which exists, including the ones which haven't federated yet, and negotiate ownership of the new username, and that's just not possible
I already talked about why that matters in my post (didn't mention anything about a person's importance), but I'm happy to clarify and expand on it!
To summarize again, this would allow users to follow a person across platforms. Part of the benefit of the fediverse is I can choose to get content from a microblogging platform as well as macro blogging or threaded like lemmy. It would be a good feature for me to be able to follow someone across all federated platforms without having to scavenge for them.
Moreover, it would allow me to use other types of platforms without having to sign up on each one. This would also be useful for instance admins. If instance A trusts instance B, then it can allow instance B users to sign in without having to sign up separately.
This could also mean that instance A could be an identity provider only
It will be difficult to implement and pretty much at the end of the list for the software you want to implement.
Users most of the time dont want to get identified ( some are here because of the privacy ) and if you want to get identified you can just use PGP signing.
It is a matter of responsibility. If you can log into any lemmy instance or mastodon server with the same account, then which server takes responsibility for your actions in the fediverse?
I have seen instances be defederate from because of their lax account creation requirements, or because of harrasment from users from a specific instance.
If an account can log into any instance, then who is responsible for banning the account?
It is a matter of responsibility. If you can log into any lemmy instance or mastodon server with the same account, then which server takes responsibility for your actions in the fediverse?
This is a good point and I should clarify: in this model, you wouldn't get open access to any instance. The instance has to explicitly trust (white list) instances from which it will accept log ins. It would be like federation is done today, but the lists would be separate ideally.
Another model is it could do it on a case-by-case basis on the user level instead of instance level. But it would still enable the user to keep their dame ID and original domain.
I don't see any technical limitations preventing that. And I think it's a desirable feature. Imagine a world where you don't have to come up with lots of passwords and sign up on dozens of websites, but instead have one identity that's saved in your device and you can access any free software service without signing up and it'll already tell you if your friends are there. It could interconnect content and features...
It's a bit difficult to get it right, though. The identities need to be secure and reliable. Servers can't vanish (or data needs to be distributed) or people will lose everything at once. We need pseudonymous handles, sock puppets and access control. And there is a lot of trust involved. We need to mitigate for spam and trolls...
And agree on one standard that gets everything right for any arbitrary use-case.
We host instances for trans and gender diverse folk, to provide a space that explicitly puts their safety first.
Take away the idea of an instance as a community/identity/distinct space, and the goal for these places existing is gone. Instead of a community and a safe space, we become a generic bit of hardware that enables transphobes as much as trans folk.
That's not something I'd be keen to keep sinking my own funds in to to support.
What I'd much rather see is instance based accounts, however, with the ability to take over/migrate them from other instances, so that if an instance goes down, people can still keep their identity. It would also allow instances focused on protecting minority communities to keep doing that.
This is a very valid concern and I should clarify a bit about the mechanism I have in mind.
An instance admin can decide which instances it federates identities with, similar to how regular federation is done (but maybe these would have separate lists)
So, in your case, you would only federate identity with instances you trust to have done proper vetting. It wouldn't be by default that having a federated instance means you have access to login the entire fediverse.
the ability to take over/migrate them from other instances, so that if an instance goes down, people can still keep their identity
I can definitely see user migration from one ActivityPub server to another being a possibility, but I really don't see how that can happen if one of the servers is down. That's too late then. If you could migrate a user from a server that is down, what prevents you from migrating a user from a server that is still up and doesn't want to do the migration? You could just pretend that it is down and do the migration anyway? I have no idea how that would work.
The proposal I saw was basically a way of "signing" your posts, and then when they federate somewhere else, you can create an account on another instance and "claim" the posts that have federated there as yours, with your private key.
Obviously, you couldn't access posts that never federated to the instance in the first place, but even with some lost content, it would let you edit, and post new content.
And as I understood this proposal, basically, you could have multiple active accounts, all of which are "you", and allow you to control your content with the same permissions.
Yea that could in theory be possible - the big problem is that it requires people to hold their own private key and manage that, both securely and conveniently. And well... tbh I just don't see that happening. If you need to keep your own private key and also keep your own password, I really don't see any non-techie people ever using the fediverse.
There's also the issue that if that private key is leaked, there is no going back. Your identity is stolen and you can do nothing to take it back. This is different from if your password gets leaked - in that case, an admin could in principle step in and reset your password and you could regain control of your account. This happens all the time when people's Facebook accounts get "hacked". They report it to Facebook and get their account back. This is impossible if it relies on a user-held private key.
It's a neat technical solution that unfortunately forgets the human, as is often the case.
What I’d much rather see is instance based accounts, however, with the ability to take over/migrate them from other instances, so that if an instance goes down, people can still keep their identity. It would also allow instances focused on protecting minority communities to keep doing that.
This exists right now. It has existed for longer than Mastodon, much less Lemmy.
Established by Mike Macgirvin in 2011 when he invented nomadic identity. First implemented in his Zot protocol from 2012 and a Friendica fork named Red, later Red Matrix, known as Hubzilla since 2015. Also available on (streams).
Not just a vague concept or an experiment, but daily-driven on stable servers since over a decade.
Nomadic identity goes even further than migration. Nomadic identity allows you to have the same Fediverse identity with everything in it (name, posts, connections, settings, files etc. etc. pp.) on multiple servers simultaneously. Not dumb copies. Bidirectional, near-real-time, live, hot backups. Whatever happens on one instance of a channel will be sync'd to all others almost immediately.
One of the clones goes down, doesn't matter. The main instance goes down, doesn't matter, you can use the clones just the same. The main instances goes down and stays down, doesn't matter, you make one of the clones your new main instance. All your nomadic connections are automagically changed to your new identity based on your new main instance. Yes, even on remote servers.
Even migration is based on the same concept. If you move from one server to another, first a clone is created, then the clone is declared the new main instance, thus demoting the original instance to clone, then the old original instance is deleted and the account with it. Not only can you move with absolutely literally everything, but you don't leave any rubbish behind on the old instance.
Only downside: It does not work on ActivityPub. Yet. It requires a special protocol, either Zot (Hubzilla) or Nomad ((streams)). ActivityPub-based projects don't even understand nomadic identity. So when you move, you have to reconnect all your non-nomadic followers.
ActivityPub implementation is being worked on, at least in theory. But the guy behind all this has, well, apparently not fully quit, but dramatically slowed down.
We'll see what comes out of this.
Mike has already implemented FEP-ef61 on (streams), and it seemed to have worked well under lab conditions. But then he rolled it out to release in July. Channels created on accounts registered after that point have decentralised IDs already. And surprisingly, it caused tons of bugs to the point of these channels not properly federating with anything. And since he's the only (streams) developer, he had to iron everything out himself. And quickly so because a few dozen people use (streams) as a daily driver.
In mid-August, he forked Forte from the streams repository. It was his vision of "the Fediverse of 2030": basically (streams), but only supporting ActivityPub anymore, with both (streams)' own Nomad and Hubzilla's Zot6 ripped out. Guess the idea was to have something with no extra protocols standing in the way of straightening FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity via ActivityPub. But this caused even more of a workload.
On August 31st, Mike sent a private post to his immediate connections (his channel is set up to send private posts by default) that said that he quits. He wanted to stop developing for the Fediverse because it got too much. The community could carry on if they want.
Trouble is, there's nobody among the few dozen (streams) users who has got what it takes, namely both the time and especially the skills to take over as a lead dev. One guy is ambitious, but he has only recently taught himself git just to make his own pre-FEP-ef61 branch for personal use. Then there are a few people who do know git, who may also know how to code, but who don't have the time.
We got one offer by a guy who wanted to rewrite (streams) from scratch. He had taken a look at the (streams) code, and he said that some of it is very old and crufty and mouldy. Of course, a lot of code probably still dates back to 2012 when Mike forked Red from Friendica to implement nomadic identity and rewrote the entire backend against Zot. Problem was, I think that guy came from Mastodon, he probably hadn't even seen Friendica in action, much less Hubzilla or even (streams), and he described himself as "thick", so we'd have to explain everything to him. Nobody even reacted.
Luckily, Mike is still Mike. He can't keep his fingers off improving the Fediverse. Every couple days, we see commits to the streams repository and/or Forte. It's just that things are moving forward very slowly now. The community is trying to figure out what and where the bugs can be by examining log files and whatnot, but nobody can track them down in the source, much less fix them and submit a PR, and that isn't talking about merging the PR.
There are very few drawbacks (assuming it's implemented in a way that doesn't break things). That's why it's part of two of the big three social protocols (Nostr & AT/BlueSky) and Activity Pub might get it soon.
I've written about and participated in discussions about implementing identities not controlled at the instance level and discussed bridges that connect activity pub to other protocols. The one major drawback people tend to bring up is moderation, but moderation is not effected like some people think it could be. Just like a PGP key doesn't force Gmail to host a user's email and a domain doesn't force Dreamhost to host a blog, even if identities are separated from instances an individual instance can still ban a user from participating in that instance or prevent other instances from interacting with your instance. The only difference is that if an instance goes down or bans a user the user can pick up and move to a different instance instead of having their account nuked. As somebody who lost a profile due to a SQL database breaking it would have been really nice to have been able to continue.
Also, in the thread here I heard a few people talking about it negating communities. We already can communicate with remote servers, I'm not fully sure where the argument that independent-from-instance-identities will break communities comes from. If something like nomadic identities are implemented, which again, they may be, your account will still be largely focused on one instance.
Say you're an arborist and join an arborist Mastodon community. You're still a part of the community, and your account is centralized there until you say otherwise. Yes, you can reply to a lemmy post or peertube post by authenticating on one of those instances, but you can already do that (there's just a lot of jank since Activity Pub's monolithic servers often have a hard time understanding each other). Yes, say you reply to a lemmy post about beekeeping that would show up in the local insatance timeline (assuming remotely authenticated posts are allowed to show up in the timeline), but again not only can you already do that, but it's not like you'd expect an aborist focused instance would have ONLY aborist focused discussions.
Lol, I hope I was coherent. I just misinterpreted a bottle of bottle of lime infused liquor as 30 proof instead of 30% ethanol so I consumed a little more than I expected. Anyway, regardless, personally consider identities separated from servers/instances a very big pro, with very little drawbacks (if implemented in a way that does not break existing implementations).
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I don’t think a nomadic identity is the same as an instance-less identity.
It isn't. (Source: I've been using nomadic stuff since long before any of you has even heard of the Fediverse.)
Nomadic identity always requires one main instance of an "identity container" with a valid Fediverse ID. That Fediverse ID carries in it the domain name of the server on which the main instance of the "identity container" resides. You need something behind the @. The clones have the same Fediverse ID.
So if you have a Hubzilla channel on hub.foo.social, hub.bar.social and hub.baz.social, one instance of that channel has to be the main instance, and the others are the clones. If the instance of the channel on hub.foo.social is defined as the main instance, it's hub.foo.social that defines the idea (e.g. bob@hub.foo.social). From a Hubzilla POV, the clones on hub.bar.social and hub.baz.social are bob@hub.foo.social all the same.
Instance-less would require a fully decentralised, peer-to-peer approach like Briar where (ideally) each user name only exists exactly once. And with no domain name attached to it.
And peer-to-peer in social networking sounds like an awesome idea until you have to run a full-blown, fully-hardened Web server on your iPhone on a wonky 4G connection, simultaneously sending a message to and receiving hundreds of messages from hundreds of other devices out there because you've got, like, 647 connections on your friends list. And then you wonder why your phone is so hot, and the battery craps off within hours.
I hope this Join the Fediverse Wiki article can help you. I've written it myself.
It's mostly written to pick up Mastodon users who don't know much about the rest of the Fediverse, so it doesn't really explain how Hubzilla relates to Lemmy. I hope it helps anyway.
My potential argument against it starts with asking where the credentials are stored for authenticating this identity.
Currently the home instance stores the hashed password and performs authentication.
In a way, the identity “belongs to” the place that does authentication, which now happens to be the instance.
If identity is decoupled from an instance, that means authentication decouples from an instance.
If the identity “belongs to” the fediverse as a whole, then that means the fediverse as a whole has an authentication mechanism.
Unless we can come up with a distributed authentication mechanism, that means the fediverse as a whole has some authentication service, as in one, which means centralized.
This therefore breaks decentralization, unless the authentication is somehow handled in a distributed way. Maybe consensus or something on a hashed password? But if those hashed passwords are stored in a distributed manner, then you’d need a super long password to prevent rainbow table attacks on the passwords, given the hashed values would essentially be public information.
Maybe public keys are stored in a blockchain? I don’t know this is beyond me in the details.
But to summarize the problem at a data model level, an identity belongs to an instance, because the instance can authenticate them. If the identity now belongs to the whole fediverse, then the whole fediverse needs to be able to authenticate them, which if not handled correctly could lead to centralized authentication, centralized banning, censorship, reddit, etc.
Then the identity still has a home.
I’ve implemented Oauth and you still have an identity provider.
I don't understand the benefits.
users don’t have to scratch their head on if I am the same person or not across these platforms
They already don't need to worry about that. Presumably if you could log in with your Lemmy user on Mastodon, your user domain would still refer to your Lemmy instance, just as it does currently. That's besides the fact that I have no idea how this mechanism of logging into different sites would even work.
theoretically, someone following my feed can get updates on what I do on multiple platforms
They can already do that with the current mechanism. It's only a problem with Lemmy not supporting various other forms of social media concepts that prevents you from writing, say, a toot (microblog).
It sounds like what you want is just a more generic ActivityPub instance that supports more forms of social constructs.
Aside from all that, there's what other people have mentioned. Grouping users on instances has all kinds of moderation benefits.
Your last sentence is unclear, is that actually implemented?
I am trying the approach of just making multiple affiliated services, and forcing people to have consistent account names across each. See bestiver.se
Separating identity from instance was invented in 2011, first implemented in 2012, and it has been stable since 2013. Zot protocol, Red, Red Matrix, nowadays known as Hubzilla. It is called nomadic identity.
Separating identity from platform is a current WIP: Nomadic identity is to be introduced to ActivityPub and then made project-agnostic. The idea is to be able to clone your Lemmy account to Mastodon and Pixelfed and Mobilizon and Hubzilla and Funkwhale all the same. You won't be able to use all features of everywhere everywhere (go ahead, try to edit a Hubzilla wiki or article or webpage on Lemmy, haha), but it'll be the same identity. Still, it would require one account on each server on which you have an instance of your identity.
But what you're talking about is full, unlimited user write access to over tens of thousands of instances of over 100 projects. Like, visiting any one of these tens of thousands of servers and being able to do absolutely everything a locally registered user can do, no exceptions, right away.
Like it or not, but this will require a local account. Even OpenWebAuth doesn't grant you full local user write access, nor does it allow for drive-by, on-the-spot creation of full-blown local user accounts on any instance, regardless of registration of local user accounts is allowed or not. Like, you can't just visit hub.netzgemeinde.eu and, within a split-second, have a local user account with the same login credentials as on lemy.lol and a nomadic clone of matcha_addict@lemy.lol so it's the exact self-same Fediverse identity on Lemmy and Hubzilla.
So it's either this. Immediate drive-by nomadic cloning of your logged-in Fediverse to any instance that you visit for the first time.
Or every Fediverse user must have a user account on every instance of every project out there, and their Fediverse identity must be nomadic everywhere and cloned to everywhere all the same.
Like, you register an account on lemy.lol. Simultaneously, the same account with the self-same credentials will be created on all other Fediverse instances out there. Immediately afterwards, whatever will contain your identity on Lemmy will automatically be cloned to all these other instances of everything. That way, you can immediately use all instances of all projects of the Fediverse just the same.
Or the Fediverse has only one central login server which controls the credentials for all instances of everything out there. You don't register with lemy.lol, you register with this central behemoth. And all tens of thousands of Fediverse instances connect to this central server for login credentials. And, again, your identity with all your data will have to be cloned and mirrored all across the Fediverse.
By the way, I've cloned Hubzilla and (streams) channels before. One channel from one server to one other server. This can take multiple minutes even with not so much content. Guess how long it'll take to clone one identity container from one Lemmy instance to 20,000++ other instances out there.
Yea in theory you wouldn't need the password if you have the private key but here the key is only used for signing, maybe not for login. If it also needs to be backwards compatible. In any case, I don't think user-held private keys is viable.
Sharing with trusted parties... I dunno, I think again it's too technical and complicated to do it. And you'd need people on the platform you trust to already be there.
a bit of text you can send to them by whatever secure side channel you want down to handing them a flash drive
Normal non-technical people are never going to do this. It needs to be easy as clicking a button, otherwise it will never happen for them. Again, this is a neat technical solution but it completely forgets the human.
A Brief History of the Fediverse Symbol
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A Brief History of the Fediverse Symbol
A Brief History of the Fediverse Symbol
Recently, a new symbol was proposed to represent the Fediverse. The network notoriously lacks an official symbol, although most people are familiar with the Fedigram, a five-point star made of connectSean Tilley (We Distribute)
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Just recently read your 2017 article on the different parts of the “Free Network”, where it was new to me just how much the Star Trek federation was used and invoked. So definitely interesting to see that here too!
Aesthetically, the fedigram is clearly the most appealing out of all of these. For me at least.
It seems though that using the pentagram may have been a misstep given how controversial it seems to be (easy to forget if you’re not in those sort of spaces). I liked the less pentagram styled versions at the bottom. I wonder if a different geometry could be used?
The quality about the fediverse that I appreciate the most is the fact that nobody on any of its platforms raised an eyebrow at having a rainbow-coloured pentagram for a logo, until the first Twitter exodus when some newcomer primed for spotting the mildest of outrage-by-proxy gasped, "Have you seen this? Somebody might get upset!"
Meanwhile, the pentagram has been warding off hyperbolic fundamentalists since 2018. The fediverse is much chiller without them. 🤘
My first build - Cantor
Finished my first build, it turned out prettier than I expected honestly. I got a diodeless kit because I had never soldered anything before, it was quite a fun learning experience. Also my first mechanical keyboard, I'm really enjoying the feel of the keys (Kailh sunset).
I was really worried about adapting to the column-stagger, I've only used the regular row-stagger before, but after one hour of practice I was already typing at about half my normal speed, so I'm pretty happy.
I do feel that I need wrist rests though. not sure how to fix that yet.
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I would actually advise against wrist rests especially while typing, they are obviously ok for resting but if you don't feel comfortable i think you should at least try a little longer as it probably means that the necessary muscles in your hands are weak and need to develop first. But it may as well be a personal thing so definitely get them if you cant go without.
Looks great btw!
Thanks!
I've been using Logitech ERGO K860 at home before this, so maybe I've just gotten used to the wrist rests. I've noticed that I lift my wrists into the air when I type on the Cantor, so I thought I needed some support. It's actually not uncomfortable and I don't type a lot, so I'll take your advice and try a little longer with this setup. I'd honestly really like to avoid taking up the space on my desk, since I like to write on paper.
Anybody use micro text editor?
i started using micro and its pretty great. but when i try to open the terminal within the editor
ctl+eit seems to just open a whole new terminal window with no context within my document.
anybody got ideas?
What is the command executing when you press this shortcut? Usually you need to use an option with the terminal to execute a command. Most terminals use the option -e COMMAND , but it can be different for a few terminal apps. In example my terminal is "Konsole" and to open a new terminal with "Vim", I need to use this command: konsole -e nvim . Or when I want to use arguments for vim itself, I can do it like this konsole -e "vim -R $HOME/Downloads/test.txt" as an example.
So find out how to do this with your terminal and use that as a command for your ctrl-e shortcut.
micro test.txt sudo can be applied after.
i should be able to open a terminal within the editor and have it appear on the bottom. I should be able to use it to change the settings or style of the micro editor, but it just opens up a whole new instance of my terminal. (which is fish btw)
i'll look and see if i have any arguments to add.or maybe edit the config?
I'm a bit confused. Your terminal is not Fish. Fish is a shell like Bash, which interprets the commands. Terminal is the window application. Based on the linked image, I assume you have Kitty as your terminal? And you want to open a terminal within your editor using shortcut Ctrl-e?
If so, then I don't know about this. I thought you want to run a terminal with micro as the editor from outside of micro, not after you started micro. I might have completely missed your point here then.
It's pretty nice, especially in combination with slurp which lets you select a part of the screen.
I have this mapped to my printscreen shortcut: grim -g "$(slurp)" - | wl-copy, which lets you select a part of the screen to screenshot, and copies the image to the clipboard.
I remember getting excited when it was first announced, then I just never really needed it.
The Insecurity of Debian
There has been a steady uptick of people stating that they will migrate (or already have) to Debian – seeking refuge from what they see as greedy corporate influence. I understand the sentiment fully. However, there’s a problem here that I want to talk about: security.The ugly truth is that security is hard. It’s tedious. Unpleasant. And requires a lot of work to get right.
Debian does not do enough here to protect users.
Long ago, Red Hat embraced the usage of SELinux. And they took it beyond just enabling the feature in their kernel. They put in the arduous work of crafting default SELinux policies for their distribution.
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However, its default security framework leaves much to be desired. Debian’s decision to enable AppArmor by default starting with version 10 signifies a positive step towards improved security, yet it falls short due to the half-baked implementation across the system.
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The fundamental difference between AppArmor and SELinux lies in their approach to Mandatory Access Control (MAC). AppArmor operates on a path-based model, while SELinux employs a significantly more complex type enforcement system. This distinction becomes particularly evident in container environments.
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The practical implications of these differences are significant. In a SELinux environment, a compromised container faces substantial hurdles in accessing or affecting the host system or other containers, thanks to the dual barriers of type enforcement and MCS labels.
TLDR: According to the author, Debian's use of AppArmour is not as effective as RedHat's use of SELinux when it comes to security.
I've yet to see any serious usage of SELinux in the real world
I too have successfully avoided it, but we must acknowledge that not everyone has been so fortunate.
You do know that you can run SELinux on Debian right?
And MAC isn't the end-all for security arguments
It depends on how you set it up and what software you are running.
Use the defaults as a starting point and then move on from there
The threat model seems a bit like fearmongering. Sure, if your container gets breached and attacker can (on some occasions) break out of it, it's a big deal. But how likely that really is? And even if that would happen isn't the data in the containers far more valuable than the base infrastructure under it on almost all cases?
I'm not arguing against SELinux/AppArmor comparison, SElinux can be more secure, assuming it's configured properly, but there's quite a few steps on hardening the system before that. And as others have mentioned, neither of those are really widely adopted and I'd argue that when you design your setup properly from the ground up you really don't need neither, at least unless the breach happens from some obscure 0-day or other bug.
For the majority of data leaks and other breaches that's almost never the reason. If your CRM or ecommerce software has a bug (or misconfiguration or a ton of other options) which allows dumping everyones data out of the database, SElinux wouldn't save you.
Security is hard indeed, but that's a bit odd corner to look at it from, and it doesn't have anything to do with Debian or RHEL.
What does an ordinary RHEL admin do when something does not work?
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Everything has security issues. That's a good thing as it means there are people finding things. I do wish Debian was a little faster on patching things but I also understand that they have a limited number of people. There are thousands on packages and a large amount of new security vulnerabilities. Patching takes man power and they only have so much to go around.
Debian isn't this security mess like this person makes it sound. They can be slow on patches but the reality is a lot of these vulnerabilities aren't getting readily exploited in the wild. Just keep up with the security tracker and follow basic security practices such as least privilege and security in depth.
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I took my existing JPEG file, compressed it using JXL, 15% smaller.
Then I decompressed it again into JPEG. The file was bit-for-bit identical to the original file (same hash). Blew my mind!
Directly using JXL is even better of course.
I don't even think this is the case, google does a lot pretty much everywhere. one example is one of the things they are pushing for is locally run AI (gemini, stable diffusion etc.) to run on your gpu via webgpu instead of needing to use cloud services, which is obviously privacy friendly for a myriad of reasons, in fact, we now have multiple implementations of LLMs that run locally in browser on webgpu, and even a stable diffusion implementation (never got it to work though since my most beefy gpu is an arc a380 with 6gb of ram)
they do other stuff too, but with the recent craze push for AI, I think this is probably the most relevant.
One example I can think of is Widevine DRM, which is owned by Google and is closed source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widevine
Google currently allows Mozilla (and others) to distribute this within Firefox, allowing Netflix, Disney+, and various other video streaming services to work within Firefox without any technical work performed by the user
I don't believe Google would ever willingly take this away from Mozilla, but it's entirely possible that the movie and music industries pressure Google to reduce access to Widevine (the same way they pressured Netflix into adopting DRM)
Nah. This is running a Snapdragon 865 SOC with an older Adreno GPU. If you think Windows on ARM gaming is a struggle this isn't going to be your Linux handheld killer. There's also no reason for it to be, the Steam Deck already exists.
For its intended use case as a retro handheld (or an Android gaming handheld, I suppose), this seems like it'll be fine, but I'm also less excited about these mid-tier ARM handhelds now that we have good x64 alternatives with decent battery life and better performance that aren't much more expensive. I still think the cheap, tiny ones are cool, though.
I guess this is nominally cool because other comparables like they Ayn Odin 2, need a bunch of tinkering to run Linux, but beyond that it seems Linux is well represented on both extremes around this awkward middle ground of more expensive ARM handhelds.
the most recent Android is Linux v5 I think, so I'm kind of with you that the gain isn't huge when compared to modern mobile devices.
Still, for older ARM sets, the max Android they used had only Linux v3, so it's impressive that they mainlined enough of the hardware to be usable in today's market.
It could be a big deal if the developers of GarlicOS / OnionOS support it. I have a Retroid 3+, a Miyoo Mini (lost it) , and now an Anbernic GBA SP.
The Retroid seemed amazing at first but after using a Miyoo with OnionOS, I'm not going back to Android retro gaming.
The usability of being able to pick up a hand held and play immediately cannot be understated. Android doesn't normally shutdown. It sleeps which means it only lasts a few days (not being used!) without being plugged in unless you explicitly pick power down from the menu. If you do power down, it takes over a minute to boot. The Android retro front ends also take hours and hours to setup.
OnionOS/GarlicOS completely power down so the battery always has charge and is ready to go. Because there is no Android, boot to being back in your game (it defaults to powering up right back where you left off in a game), takes seconds. The menu scraping works so there's virtually no setup needed.
This thing is supposed to be fairly powerful, I don't know that the straightforward, minimal approach of Garlic/Onion makes sense on it. Ideally you'd want a bit more versatility. For that I think the Anbernic SP and that class of slightly cheaper devices probably make more sense.
I mean, as I said above that's my thing with these flagship ARM handhelds. At some point it takes a lot to justify spending a couple hundred on one of these instead of a bit more for a more flexible Steam Deck. The smaller, cheaper ones are a lot more charming, and they fit in your pocket, so they can be a throwaway toy to carry with you.
But hey, we live in the handheld golden age, I'm not gonna complain about more options.
Ideally you'd want more versatility
Yes, that's what I thought which is why I bought the Retroid. But I discovered Android introduces so much overhead that it ruins the purpose of a gaming handheld. I might as well use my much more powerful Pixel with those slide in controllers for thumbsticks and buttons.
A Retroid for the better screen/CPU with a streamlined gaming specific Linux OS would be the best of both worlds.
Is this in part due to everyone wanting to put Linux on those new "copilot pcs"?
I'd love to have a linux'd one of those that battery life from what I've heard is insane
Ahh so it's qualcomm themselves doing this? that's awesome actually I thought it was just more people were interested in reverse engineering them now to get linux going on the new wave of laptops
Shame gaming on arm kinda sucks at the moment as a whole though
I bought a Miyoo Mini Plus on sale last year and ended up liking it so much that I wish I'd bought a more expensive model with analog sticks. Meanwhile my Steam Deck gathers dust because it's just way too bulky, I grew up on a Game Boy Color and want something that fits in my pocket.
The ultimate dream for me would be if/when someone gets SteamOS running on something this size.
I know what you mean, I bought a PSP and PSVita after my Steam Deck and currently I'm using the Vita as my goto emulator, the PSP is great for when I'm out and about and want something smaller.
Battery life on both is great
c/azzate (comunità funny italiana)
ciao!
Stavo pensando che poteva essere carina l'idea di aprire una comunità dedicata alle cose divertenti: video, vignette, immagini o anche semplici battute (penso ad esempio a Lercio)... una sorta di r/funny o meglio c/funny ma qui su Feddit.
So che c'è già memesITA (che è anche abbastanza seguita per altro) ma è appunto dedicata ai meme mentre io pensavo più alla condivisione di qualcosa che abbiamo trovato divertente ma che non è un meme.
Pensavo a regole piuttosto semplici come no alle condivisioni automatiche perché mi piacerebbe che venissero condivise cose che ci hanno fatto ridere o sorridere per davvero e non cose "che normalmente fanno ridere su quel canale YouTube/vignettista" etc.
C'è poi il dubbio sul cattivo gusto/humor nero/satirafattadachinonècapacedifarla etc. In questo caso vere e proprie regole secondo me sono complesse da applicare e pensavo più che altro al buon senso lasciando mano libera ai moderatori intervenendo caso per caso e ascoltando anche la comunità negli eventuali dubbi.
C'è per caso qualcuno interessato a una comunità di questo tipo?
Pensavo che all'inizio potrei moderarla anche io ma se a qualcuno piace l'idea potremmo co-moderarla assieme per mantenerla anche un minimo attiva.
Il nome della comunità potrebbe essere azzate perché poi diventerebbe feddit.it/c/azzate e mi faceva ridere la cosa 😅
Oppure un più semplice funny o qualcosa di più italiano come cosedivertenti o giù di lì.
Vänsterpartiet har tillsammans med Enhedslisten (Danmark), Vänsterförbundet (Finland), Podemos (Spanien), Razem (Polen), La France Insoumise (Frankrike) och Bloco de Esquerda (Portugal) bildat ett nytt europeiskt vänsterparti som fått namnet European Left Alliance for the People and the Planet (ELA).
Introducing SUSE Typeface: SUSE’s new open sourced font
Introducing SUSE Typeface: SUSE’s new open sourced font | SUSE Communities
Ivo Totev and Spencer Davis Creating a typeface is a delicate process. Each character (or glyph) embeds new attributes into the whole...Ivo Totev (SUSE)
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Silly question: what's the difference between the otf and ttf fonts?
Edit: thanks for the explainers!
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I will give the font a try!
I'm not dyslexic, but I think legibility is super important and underrated on most distros. This one looks both aesthetic and very readable.
Do you know if it is already in the Fedora repos?
If not, how can I install it?
So what I see there is that badly designed fonts require ligatures to correct interactions.
Like, I get that there are some neat ones, e.g. I have them turned on when writing code for symbols, but they seem wholly unnecessary and distracting in alphabetical characters.
But I'm also the kind of weirdo that thinks the world needs more monospace fonts.
/shrug
It is the exact opposite. Ligatures were created to help deal with the lack of clarity when symbols overlap. fi, ff, fl, ffi, have historically (like print press historical) been common ligatures where others are stylistic, where others are downright questionable & make things harder to read. The first category should almost always be supported, & the others can usually be disabled if not commonly off by default where you opt in for some design, not for general body copy.
What you are referring to about ‘programming ligatures’ is an outright abuse of open type features full of false positives, ambiguities, & lack of clarity for outsiders to understand what your code means. What you want is Unicode supported in your language so you can precisely what you mean than using ASCII abominations—like meaning → but typing ->, dash + greater, than which isn’t at all what you mean which is a rightward arrow. (with a non-exhaustive languages with decent Unicode support: Raku, Julia, Agda, PureScript, Haskell with Unicode pragma, & all APL dialects).
I like that idea of using the different fonts for e.g. Copilot suggestions - reminds me of reading Asterix comics as a kid when they'd use gothic black for the Goth's speech, etc.
edit: e.g.
Here in Germany at least, if you read almost any printed novel, the type face will include this type of g. It’s so common, that I didn’t realise it’d be strange for some people.
(Although I do recall seeing a post about a kid that was confused by that weird letter, somewhere a while ago. Probably was still back on r*****)
I need more discussion on typefaces. Typography is one of my hyperfixations. 
P.S.: I meant "special interests", not hyperfixations.
But does it have unicode emojis?
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Hmm it specifically seems to be missing emojis
Thanks. I imagine most unicode characters and emojis are just copied over from some default font?
Maybe they'll patch it into a nerdfonts.com
Fediversum i Sverige består i huvudsak av Mastodoninstanser. Dessutom finns det några små och privata instanser med Mastodon och andra programvaror som exempelvis Akkoma och några stycken Lemmy-installationer där två instanser är lite större. I tillägg till detta finns det också ett antal WordPressbloggar som exempelvis denna blogg.
Forum för Levande Historia (FFLH) gjorde 2020 en undersökning av antisemitism i svenska partier. Det visade sig tydligt att vänsterpartiet var och är det minst antisemitiska partiet av alla partier. Vänsterpartiet är Sveriges minst antisemitiska parti.
freedom, activism, technology, diversity
Boring, boring, boring, boring. This is all "meta-converaation", like this exact thread.
Where are the musicians, the woodworkers, the DIYers, the athletes, the architects, the photographers, the wannabe chefs, the contrarian educators who do not toe the line of Academia?
Actually being able to self host and federate, and without any dependence on the main instance.
And ability to federate with other open and federated services, like how mastodon can federate with so many others like lemmy and pixelfed.
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I really like the Nostr protocol, though. It's too bad the network is so inundated by cryptocurrency topics.
It's simple, it has a nice extension process (standing on the shoulders of giants), and it's super easy and lightweight to self-host. It reminds me a lot of the early days of http, when it was more common (as a developer) to telnet to port 80 and just type in a couple of lines of header and get a response.
Sadly, Nostr's association with cryptocurrency, and the fact that 90% of the traffic on it is cryptocurrency created posts, has been a severe handicap.
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Independent or otherwise.
But control of the protocol - the definition and development - is still controlled by the for-profit company, right? It hasn't been handed over to a nonprofit governance committee, has it?
Federation or not, if Bluesky dominates the protocol, they can decide to stop federating and essentially kill the independent servers. Much like what Signal did. Sure, you can run your own Signal server, but without access to the dominant player's market, and using a protocol that's controlled monopolistically, it's practically useless to do so - which is why almost nobody does it anymore.
You are missing the point. The point is that there is nothing to ruin here.
The Fediverse is by and large composed of antsy, narcissistic tweenagers who never created anything and use this space as some form of support network. They think that just because they are outcasts they are part of some counterculture movement (like the punks or the OG hackers from the early internet), but they miss the very important part that these movements need to create something meaningful.
All they can do is ridicule (parts of) the status quo and resort to shoot down anything and anyone who is willing to take any risks to effect any type of change. And for all the talk about diversity and inclusivity, one can read any news headline or article here and know exactly what is going to be the reaction from the people
The only way to break away from this unbearably boring monoculture is by bringing more people. We need to get of our comfort zones, dealing with differences and learning that (some) conflict is important. The alternative is stagnation, and culture-wise stagnation is the same as death.
Is anyone here opposed to bringing more people? I'm upset that people are going to an unfederated platform like BlueSky. I wish more people to join, no matter who they are.
I haven't been on mastodon much, but lemmy is quite diverse.
There is Bridgy Fed, which bridges accounts over to the other side if they follow the respective Bridgy Fed account on their platform. This is opt-ín though, so you can't just follow anyone, they need to have followed @ap.brid.gy on Bluesky. To have your interactions bridged you need to follow @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy.
If the account you want to follow is not bridged and you are okay with just reading their posts, you can also use a service like RSS Parrot as every Bluesky account also serves as an RSS feed.
RSS Parrot
Home of RSS Parrot, a free Fediverse service that lets you turn Mastodon into an RSS or Atom feed reader.rss-parrot.net
Not a comeback. My point is that no one cares about this space at all. We had for the past two years everything in our favor to dismantle corporate-controlled social media, but the people that are here have ridiculously small ambitions and seem to keep the Fediverse completely irrelevant.
How else can I put it? Imagine that you live in corner of the woods of Bumfuck Alabama and you say, "I'm so glad we don't have McDonalds around here", like it was some reason to be proud. It's not, it just means that you live in a place so desolate that not even McDonalds thinks it's worth it to open a shop there.
Of course, there are some decent people who aren't 100% fanatic, but most of them would be the equivalent to those hat-wearers.
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The fact you think the product sucks does not mean it’s not good for many other people.
For example, I have Framework Laptop and I really think surface laptops suck due to how unrepairable they are. However, that does not mean that everyone cares about their repairbility…
for profits
The profit-motive and capitalism is not the problem. Corporatism is.
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You can not EEE an open standard. XMPP didn't die when Facebook and Google dropped it.
We need to assess the power imbalances and strategize accordingly. This whole "boycott Threads" reaction, for example, works in their favor. They already have hundreds of millions of users. Because of the whole "FediPact", now we have lots of people migrating away from Mastodon because their instance does not let them follow some celebrity or NBA player, or sports journalist. Instead of blocking Threads, we should have worked to let people away from Twitter and into Threads so that they could learn and understand how federation works.
After this would be the time to go after the popular YouTubers and say "hey, why don't you setup your instance instead of using Threads? You won't lose your audience, and you have more control over your brand and online presence!"
This is what any sane person with minimal understanding of marketing would think. But instead of that, we got some reactionary crybabies that want to have the Fediverse only to themselves.
but lemmy is quite diverse.
Apart from a bunch of thriving specialist techie communities, what I see there is mostly tiny spaces dominated by intolerant groupthink and tyrannical moderators.
Indeed I just had a very bad experience in one of those that left me (almost) regretting the R-site.
You're using words like 'ambition' and 'irrelevant' like the Fediverse is some sort of corporate entity. It's not - that's a point very much in its favour in the opinion of quite a lot of people on it. Contrary to your opinion that no one cares, lots do. What some of us don't care about is catering to a set of people who are paid to express opinions and who, it seems to me, over a period of time end up becoming Andrew Tate or Russel Brand.
There's no McDonalds in the town I currently live in, which is 20 minutes away from one of the largest cities in the country. It might come as a massive shock to you but I - and I think the majority of people - can survive just fine without a Mickey D's. Not having one doesn't make a place desolate, it makes it healthier. And if someone really wants a Big Mac, they can go and get one from elsewhere.
Do you see what I'm saying? This isn't the same place as that - it's quite nice to have a place online that still isn't. And for those that do want that, they can still spend time there if they chose to.
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You're both right.
If there aren't people building this alternative, in their free time, for free, then it won't exist. Fair enough. Much credit to them.
But it looks like @SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world is just an ordinary user with a busy life who wants to consume content in a way that better respects their privacy and autonomy. That is also a fair demand. Not everyone needs to be a producer.
people (...) can survive just fine without a Mickey D’s. Not having one doesn’t make a place desolate, it makes it healthier.
That's faulty logic. The presence or absence of a fast-food chain does not indicate that people eat better or worse than a place without. If you live in the US (and maybe the UK) I can bet a $100 with you right now that the average person in your town is heavier and more prone to metabolic diseases than the average person where I live (Berlin, Germany). Even if I am surrounded by probably a dozen Döner shops from my building, I am not forced to eat there. On the other hand, on average we eat less processed food, the restaurants are not serving those ridiculous oversized meals, the European lifestyle requires more physical activity, etc.
Likewise to the social networks. You are just saying "I don't want Andrew Tate". A big network is not just made up of assholes. The presence of some assholes does not imply that the average user is an asshole, and it also does not mean that you need to deal with them. But a small social network does unfortunately implies that there will be less of the good people.
Instead of saying who you don't want, have you actually tried reaching out to the people that you do want to see here? Can you honestly say that you can find a diverse range of people that talk or work with things that are of your interests? Because I surely can not, and I am not one to have an extremely long list of interests and hobbies...
And for those that do want that, they can still spend time there if they chose to.
No, that's absolutely the problem. I don't want to go to Reddit, because of Reddit management. My problem with Reddit is not the "average redditor", or "power-tripping moderators of popular subs" because I never went to Reddit to talk with the "average redditor" and I don't care about "popular subs".
Personally, even the API changes wouldn't affect me. I used old.reddit to browse on desktop and I was never a big user on mobile. But the reason that I decided to leave was because Reddit decided to complete turn against its users to pursue relentless growth.
By "going to Reddit when I want", I am still enabling Reddit and I am complacent with the status quo. I can only solve "my" problem by having people out of Reddit and into an open alternative that is more resistant to enshittification.
Mate, I was simply extending an analogy you introduced. I neither know (nor care) what the presence of a McDonalds does or doesn't do so don't Sagan me. Nor am I claiming mainstream social media is all arseholes. What I'm saying is that mainstream social media most certainly has the ability and propensity to make people into arseholes due to constant enshittification - part of which is the influencer phenomenon in my opinion and the need for growth at all costs.
I most definitely have reached out to lots of good people on the fediverse and had lots of great exchanges that follow both professional and 'hobby' based interests I have.
But here's the thing - you want growth? OK. I also have no issue with growth. But the best sort of growth in my experience comes organically. It happens at its own pace. The minute you start prodding it along with managed algorithms and all the other stuff mainstream social media now has you end up with an extended hate room. I don't miss Reddit or Xitter at all. I genuinely mean that. No more 'suggestions' of people to follow, no more manufactured outrage getting pushed to my feed, no more clickbait. Instead what I have now is a curated feed across multiple different types of experiences that I spent some time getting how I want them and dipping in and out of when I want to.
Who here is talking that the way to grow the network is by applying the techniques from Big Tech? It seems like you've created this giant strawman in your head.
All I am asking is for us to be more welcoming to people here, even if they are not exactly like what you wish. Or to help your friends to try it and see if they can help enough people/content for them to remain invested. Or even (possibly?) reaching out to someone on Twitter/YouTube and say "hey, I want to keep following you, but I don't want to stay here. Would you consider creating an account on Mastodon/Peertube?", etc.
Let me clarify so I understand your position
1) I said why I don't use Bluesky. I didn't say it shouldn't exist, or that other people shouldn't use it. I didn't pass judgement on people who do use it, or suggest that their having a different opinion on how to deal with bigotry is an issue. I simply said why I don't use it
2) You then insisted that I am the problem with democracy, despite you being the person insisting that everyone has to do things your preferred way?
Do I understand your position correctly?
I am saying "quote tweets" as a reference to the functionality, not the usage of Twitter itself.
Mastodon refuses to implement the functionality, but it is supported on others: Soapbox, Akkoma...
Essentially I am saying that in a democracy we need to talk to each other
That doesn't happen on bluesky either though. The moderation approach on bluesky means that people can control who they see, and who can interact with them. So people can still remove bigots from their timeline.
I also take issue with your insistence that bigots have the right to be bigoted and spread hate, and that their targets are somehow in the wrong for not wanting to be exposed to that hate.
Assuming that "bigots" is not a synonym for "anyone I disagree with", then fair enough.
My underlying point is that technology is making it very easy to wall ourselves off into comfortable echo chambers. Some are even calling that "safety". From my understanding of history, this looks like an obviously slippery and dangerous slope to be on.
But if are talking about what most of your fellow citizens would also identify as "bigots", then fair enough.
Assuming that "bigots" is not a synonym for "anyone I disagree with", then fair enough.
Why would it be?
My underlying point is that technology is making it very easy to wall ourselves off into comfortable echo chambers
Your experience is different to mine. I wish I could wall myself off from people who want to remove my rights and target me with hate, but I've yet to find a way of doing that.
I wish I could wall myself off from
Well this is at least honest!
Perhaps it's a personality thing. Perhaps generational. Technically I'm a member of a minority community but I've never defined myself by that, and "hate" in the contemporary sense (I think its meaning has drifted unhelpfully) is not something that especially bothers me. My experience is that most people are well-meaning, so I tend to be intrigued by the question of why they think the things they do.
Anyway, this is not a debate with a single correct answer. It is of course your right to shut out whoever you want, I won't question that.
There are multiple governments, political parties and hate groups explicitly focused on taking away my rights and ensuring I can't exist safely and openly.
It's got nothing to do with personality. I'm exposed to a barrage of hateful media targeting folk like me every single day, and it's next to impossible to escape.
So finding spaces where I can just not have to deal with that shit is important
The nice thing about Lemmy is that it doesn't have celibrities and NBA players. It's (mostly) honest discussion for the most part, sure you have a lot of people who getting angry but at least it's not like reddit or Facebook or whatever where you never know if a post/comment is real or a paid advertisement. Yeah it'd get more reach, more people, more popularity with thread integration, but there would also be more people. ...eternal September . It would be guaranteed to happen. Like you said, it's about marketing. Once Lemmy has more than a few thousand people, marketers are gonna do the same thing they did to reddit. ...destroy it. Yeah the shareholders are making out, but it's value is gone.
I started on reddit in 2008, and Lemmy is a mirror image of what the community looked like back then. You don't need inorganic growth to grow Lemmy. It just needs quality discussions and people, the organic growth will come naturally. The only thing that needs protection against is 'linking' with any for profit entity.
Connecting with threads and bluesky and whatever else would grow Lemmy, but for what purpose? I'd argue Lemmy isn't the end solution, maybe the devs can evolve it to work over the long term, but really I think if a social media solution is really going to tackle Facebook et al, it's going to have to be self hosted servers on every computing device in the world; where no government or organization can control, regulate, and most importantly one that cannot be manipulated for gain of a nation state or corporation.
I know of no such software, but I have a feeling such a solution would be superior to the fediverse in taking down the existing social media cartels.
The nice thing about Lemmy is that it doesn’t have celibrities and NBA players.
If you are starting with something that is completely subjective, how do you expect to get any meaningful discussion? You might not care about these things. It doesn't mean that this is not important to others.
Also, it's not just about the celebrities and NBA players. It's about the conversation surrounding these different interests.
…eternal September . It would be guaranteed to happen.
It happened on Reddit many years ago, and because of the long tail it simply didn't matter. Just stay from the (relative) popular subs and things work quite well, as long as they are some minimal critical mass. If you are the type that insists in participating in tiring and pointless discussions about politics, then yeah you are going to have a bad time.
marketers are gonna do the same thing they did to reddit.
Conjecture, that's not a certainty. In an open network, it's a lot easier to design and implement systems where you can actually verify who is behind an account. Or to implement a system that filters content from anyone who is not part of your web of trust. Or to do like spam filters that run content analysis before even hitting your inbox. You can not implement these things on closed networks because it would destroy their KPIs, but we don't care about that here.
I’d argue Lemmy isn’t the end solution,
Of course it isn't, but it's the best we have at the moment. If we keep waiting for some ideal solution before working to get people out of the closed systems, it will never happen. Worse still, if we don't get more people, we will hit a local maxima and never innovate. This is already happening on Mastodon.
where no government or organization can control, regulate, and most importantly one that cannot be manipulated for gain of a nation state or corporation.
People post to the communities.
With this comment I was bringing them visibility, which is usually an issue.
On the side I keep promoting Lemmy on /r/Redditalternatives
Once we'll get more people, and they'll know where to find content, we'll be able to solve that issue
thank you for the link, it was an interesting read. I really like the idea of using a web browser, like firefox or a fork of it, as a basis point for a distributed social web.
I don't really understand how it would do that but it is a very interesting idea. I guess since firefox is open source anyone could create this ability. Is there a discussion about this somewhere on the web? Lemmy is a good a place as any as it's too unimportant and tiny right now ;)
Thanks!
Maybe I wasn't too clear on the post about one thing, though. There is no need to fork the browser. I believe this could be implemented as a simple browser extension or even as Progressive Web App, like Voyager or Elk. The idea that I'm working with is actually to fork either one of these applications and just change its internal libraries to make it "speak" ActivityPub directly, instead of using Mastodon's or Lemmy's APIs.
Is there a discussion about this somewhere on the web?
Specifically about this approach, no. But matrix.to/#/#fediverse:pixie.t… is a good room for people working in Fediverse/Social Web.
To each its own, I like it here.
What would you suppose it is ambition, to feed off influencers? What good would that bring to the platform?
If the people who used it would benefit at least. But then again, that's cryptocurrency culture, so I don't know if both complete each other.
I'm tired of people arguing that the sum of the people in the platform does not equal its culture. Facebook and other social networks clearly benefit from having influencers in their platform, and they make the platform orbit around it.
People who use facebook are not responsible for old people posting what they want. But also, Facebook earns profit from that kind of behavior, so it makes its algorithms circle around it.
It's like saying Instagram isn't responsible for all the influencers and the 'vibe' it has. It is responsible for it and you don't make the platform your own, especially not with the Big players.
Even Mastodon, where you can set up your own instance, has its culture, even if it is richer (culturally) than Instagram or Facebook.
No, each person does not make the platform their own or make out of it what they will. Only a masochist would stay on Facebook preaching their own culture while they have other options that fit better.
Your argument fails.
Also, on another note, I'm tired of Carl Sagan's atheists using Darwinism as basis for lack of a God, and I'm not a christian or muslim. That's just reason to silence people who don't want to take "scientific" argument at face value. True science is debatable and built upon healthy discussion. Not something you toss at other people to make them seem dumb or preach like a religion.
I think we could and should work to make the Fediverse an universal alternative. If not make it something that appeals equally to everyone, but to have a real diverse set of people and users. My litmus test is simple: my wife is still on Facebook because of different groups: parenting groups, events around town, some arts and crafts showcases... If I ask my wife her to take a look at Lemmy, will she find something that interests her?
So far, the answer is no. The range of interests around here is very small: sophomoric discussion of US politics, outrage-bait pieces whenever Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos does something stupid, a handful of otakus, a somewhat-larger-but-still-small group of Linux nerds... that's about it. Everything else is represented by at most one or two people who had a sizeable community on reddit, but failed to bring them over.
There is a crucial difference. The cool thing of the Fediverse is that there is no central authority. There is no CEO pushing things in one direction or another to try to maximize revenue. We have here the potential for real diversity of groups and interests, but (so far) all we seem to be getting is a very tiny vocal minority that wants to complain about anything that resembles the mainstream but is unable to build an alternative.
I’m tired of Carl Sagan’s atheists using Darwinism as basis for lack of a God,
You are reading too much into the quote. I just pointed out that faulty logic. Nassim Taleb also talks a lot about this
From what I've seen it's only single person instance where they use their domain names as user.
Not something you expect a standard person to have
According to this blog post, they are currently limited to 10 accounts, so not many open servers, but you can host your own.
This is an old blog post, though, so the limit might have been lifted
A couple of weeks ago I wrote about the notion that governments can do more to secure their own online voices by owning and operating their own Fediverse instances (Mastodon, as an example).
I am by no means the only blogger to propose that this is a good way to avoid being locked-in or censored by commercial “Big Tech” or other interests. It turns out that George Peretz had posted something along the same lines as me only a few days earlier (How the Labour Government, and others, should respond to Musk); I was unaware of that post until I ran into it via Seize The Means Of Communication!1 on the Lightly Seared blog much more recently.
Neville Hobson and Shel Holtz went on to cover my post on their For Immediate Release podcast, and in particular Neville asked for me to share more about what I know in relation to existing government or state owned-and-operated Mastodon instances. I’m happy to do so!
Proof of value
One of the more visible examples of governments embracing the Fediverse is case of the European Union. Initially running EU Voice (Mastodon) and EU Video (PeerTube) as pilots, these were evaluated for 2 years, and then closed in May. However, this year the European Commission formally joined the Fediverse with a Mastodon instance (supported by Mastodon gGmbH).
Beyond that, but still in the European continent: France, Germany and the Netherlands (more on the Dutch instance via the excellent Fediverse Report) have prominent presences in the Fediverse.
The government of #France 🇫🇷 now has an official Fediverse server 🥳(All accounts in French unless otherwise noted)
➡️ @cnes – France's space agency
➡️ @ambnum – French ambassador for digital affairs (in English)
➡️ @sup_recherche – Ministry of Higher Education & Research
➡️ @astroIAP – Astrophysics Institute of Paris
➡️ @cnrs – CNRS, the French National Centre for Scientific Research
➡️ @umrGeoazur – Geology/geophysics research unit for Côte d'Azur Univ, CNRS, Côte d'Azur Observatory
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— FediFollows (@FediFollows) 2024-02-05T14:20:03.369Z
Hallo Fediverse 🙂
Für die vielen neuen Menschen hier gibt es nochmal ein paar aktualisierte Informationen von uns, die wir anheften können:
1. Eine Übersicht über alle Accounts unserer Instanz gibt es unter: social.bund.de/directory (Filtereinstellungen nicht vergessen)
2. Pixis gibt es kostenlos hier: bfdi.bund.de/DE/Service/Publik…
3. Merch verlosen wir immer mal wieder hier oder verteilen es auf Veranstaltungen./ ÖA
— BfDI (@bfdi) 2022-12-19T10:30:54.149Z
In addition, the Swiss Government launched an instance in September 2023 as a pilot which was due to last for one year; I’ll be curious to watch how that is evaluated.
Taking a step beyond central government, I’ve read that various federal states in Germany have their own instances.
There are also good reasons for broadcasters to run their own Fediverse instances (the BBC has had a pilot here, for example); universities and academics; and more.
I’m curious to learn of more of these, let me know in the comments if you are aware of others.
If you are interested in managed support for this kind of instance, the team at Mastodon gGmbH would be happy to hear from you to discuss how we can help.
A case for Brazil
Finally, I want to talk briefly (but, only because I must) about X.
We talked about the events of the end of last week, when Brazil’s courts chose to block access to X in that country, on episode 3.19 of the TechGrumps podcast that was recorded this weekend, and should be released any moment.
Along with Musk’s direct personal attacks on the UK Prime Minister and his efforts to spread dangerous misinformation, this is yet another example of Musk, specifically, demonstrating his untrustworthiness, and lack of willingness to be bound by the rule of law – national or international. According to the media, there has been a swift take-up of Bluesky by many Brazilian users; it is difficult to measure Mastodon or other Fediverse instance signups because there are many individual instances that comprise the network, but we know that there was a significant surge of interest at the end of last week.
A lot of people who are up in arms over Brazil banning Xitter aren’t acknowledging the fact that the country cast off a military dictatorship in 1985 and Elon’s openly allied with the neofascist who tried to restore it, with help from Elon Social, just two years ago. Pretty unique situation.That judge may well have a beef with Musk because of his intransigence but the stakes are much higher than that.
#elonmusk #brazil #twitter #bolsonaro #fascism
— Joshua Holland (@JoshuaHolland) 2024-09-01T13:08:57.793Z
Whichever directions users migrate, the important thing is that more people must leave X as a platform, and disempower Musk’s efforts to disrupt the law.
As I typed this blog entry, my friend Evan Prodromou posted
So, who is in the Free/Open Source software community in Brazil, advising the government on how to move to the Fediverse? And how can I help you?— Evan Prodromou (@evan) 2024-09-02T15:43:26.988Z
I don’t speak Portuguese, but add my name and voice to this offer of support!
@evan I am somehow surprised that the actual Brazilian government still doesn't have an instance of some software compatible with activity pub.Before leaving Brazil, I was part of a group engaged in open government data and civic hacking. I really hope these groups are still strong as they were a few years ago!
By the way, in 2011, I was advocating the City Council of São Paulo to have an identi.ca server, instead of Twitter. This didn't work, but at least I could open up some government data.
Post in Portuguese social.vivaldi.net/@everton137…
#activitypub #OpenSource #softwarelivre #Brasil #opendata
— everton137 (@everton137) 2024-09-02T15:53:31.668Z
- … a title which is delightfully reminiscent of Cory Doctorow’s book The Internet Con, subtitled How To Seize The Means Of Computation, which I think about a lot. And obviously, as an historian, I’m very aware of the original quotation from which both of these derive. ↩︎
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Completely agree. Would love to see cities/states/nations owning their own instances.
Companies too, especially news outlets (A few have moved to this).
I think in addition to all your good points/examples, it’s a great way to ensure a voice is legit/approved.
Enlarge / Rust never sleeps. But Rust, the programming language, can be held at bay if enough kernel programmers aren’t interested in seeing it implemented. (credit: Getty Images)
The Linux kernel is not a place to work if you’re not ready for some, shall we say, spirited argument. Still, one key developer in the project to expand Rust’s place inside the largely C-based kernel feels the “nontechnical nonsense” is too much, so he’s retiring.
Wedson Almeida Filho, a leader in the Rust for Linux project, wrote to the Linux kernel mailing list last week to remove himself as the project’s maintainer. “After almost 4 years, I find myself lacking the energy and enthusiasm I once had to respond to some of the nontechnical nonsense, so it’s best to leave it up to those who still have it in them,” Filho wrote. While thanking his teammates, he noted that he
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