Join us for Sunnyvision, the summer edition of Lemmyvision!
I hope my post doesn't break the rules ; I'd like to invite as many people as possible to participate to Sunnyvision, the summer edition of the Lemmyvision song contest.
It's a fun way to celebrate summer, and discover new music, more info on the original post, quoted below !
TL;DR
- In ~~this thread~~ the thread on !lemmyvision@jlai.lu, in the comments, post a song that was released in summer of any year.
- Next week, you'll be able to vote for your favourite song from the songs posted here.Remember that time I wanted to set up a smaller scale Lemmyvision for summer? Yeah me neither.
But here it is, it's still summer for a week, so..
Welcome to Lemmyvision's summer edition, Sunnyvision!🌞If you don't know what Lemmyvision is, check out the sidebar!
The aim is to promote different languages and cultures from around the world, to share more between our online communities across Lemmy, and discover songs from lesser known artists.
The first edition concluded on April (jlai.lu/post/6041838) with 9 instances/countries/communities participating! The Northern Boys - Sexy Train (), the feddit.uk submission, won!
For this 'lighter' edition, the goal is to celebrate the last week of summer, with some summer related tunes. You do not need to bring your instance/community, everyone can share a song, no matter what instance they're on, as long as they can federate here!
Rules
- Just post a song that was released in summer, from any year you want
- At the end of the week I'll gather all the songs posted in this thread
- You'll then be able to listen to a playlist with all those songs, and vote for your favourite!Spread the word if you can, and I hope you have fun, and that everyone can discover new music! 🎶
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P/f Kinnfelli är ett färöiskt fiskeriföretag som hör hemma i Miðvágur. Bolaget ägs av två andra bolag, P/f Snarfrost och Á Mølini Sp/f med 50% var. Á Mølini Sp/f ägs i sin tur av Hjarnar Krogh Dalsgaard och Árni Krogh Dalsgaard medan P/f Snarfrost ägs av Mykines Sp/f och Vestmek Sp/f.
Rappare gripen med flera kilo kokain. Enligt uppgifter i Aftonbladet har en känd svensk artist gripits för grovt narkotikabrott under förra veckan. Polisen slog till mot en en adress där flera kilo kokain hittades och den aktuelle rapparen greps.
Banning Mastodon users in Lemmy communities
Filtered word: nsfw
cross-posted from: lemmynsfw.com/post/16157919
If you ban a Mastodon user on a Lemmy community, does the ban transfer if they migrate instances?
Using a chromecast without a google account?
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/19441267
I have a 2nd-gen chromecast, it's factory reset. If i plug it in all it tells me is to install the app to start configuring.I don't have a google account not do i want to install/use google-related stuff on my phone.
My home router doesn't register any new device, which makes sense since the cast doesn't know the SSID/pass of the WiFi.
Does it try to ping some service/port? Multicast perhaps? Where would it get an IP from without authenticating?
My (wired) PC runs gentoo.
How can i get it to work in these conditions?
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The newer version is: w3c.github.io/openscreenprotoc…
I used to be on that team at Google and when I left they were working on an open source implementation of it.
That's awesome if they're implementing it.
My Google home and Chromecast at the moment are necessary evils because when I sit down to watch something I don't want to have to worry about whether it'll work with x or y, whether I'm getting good bitrate etc
Would however be really cool if I was able to cast my screen, cast YouTube etc from my Linux laptop
Have been able to do it in the past using chrome but I already need to keep two browsers installed don't want a third
How can i get it to work in these conditions?
Borrow an android phone from some friend/neighbor for an hour...
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Probably not that helpful, but i do know of a few articles installing linux on a Chromecast
Threads makes it easier to evangelize the open social web with a new direct link feature | TechCrunch
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Remember how web 2.0 started... Look at it now!
Don't be a corpo collaborator!
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The official story is that Meta is worried about being sued by people suddenly seeing their content pushed to some random website without their consent if it's enabled by default, so they won't risk enabling it by default. At least not before the fediverse is huge enough that everything you post going everywhere on the internet is the expected behaviour.
Fair enough really. I wouldn't want to be sued for that either, and they obviously cannot expect Congress to understand.. anything.
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Have Facebook not heard of the Internet? Anyone can right click save as.
I am very skeptical that Facebook is doing federated to be nice, only to keep digital markets act off Facebooks back.
Have Facebook not heard of the Internet? Anyone can right click save as.
They have, old politicians haven't
Bottom line: is threads a potential entry-point into the fediverse for a lot of people who otherwise would not be aware/ interested? ABSOLUTELY YES.
Does that benefit offset the catastrophic harm it will do by overwhelming the fediverse with corporate interests, stacking nonprofits with Meta-friendly officers, and exerting leverage on Activity Pub development? NO WAY.
fediblock.
(Federated) email didn't survive. It got completely subsumed by the major providers who now have control over everything email related. It's now impossible to run your own email server since none of the major providers will deliver your email without your mail server having first built a reputation.
The fediverse analogy would be if 99.9999% of users were on Threads and you couldn't interact with any of those users from any of the small independent fediverse servers. Frankly, that's exactly what it looks like is happening.
none of the major providers will deliver your email without your mail server having first built a reputation
There are definitely major, and easily-abusable "features" being implemented by the major email providers, but I don't think your statement is correct. I have a Hetzner server, and I can receive email from it (to Gmail) just fine, as long as I have SPF, DMARC, and DKIM set up. I can also create a new server with a new IP and not have any issues. The issues may arise with shared IPs/ranges that are also being used by spammers. Otherwise, if you're planning to send bulk email you just need to warm up the IP.
there exists the ability for individuals to have functioning email servers although it is difficult but fair considering how much of the world is reliant upon it and opposing it with various kinds of attacks.
i dont thimk it requires many individuals to have their own servers for it to be considered federated, the fact that we have dozens of relatively big email providers to choose from who prioritize various different things is enough to cover the majority of peoples needs and i think that is the threshold requirement for a sufficient self sustaining federated network.
regardless of that, if you compare this outcome of email as of present to lets just say a platform like discord whose goal is to facilitate messaging between people, you can evidently say thst emails outcome is better than the proprietary service that discord is locking people into and not making alternatives ways of accessing the service a simpler process.
You realize the second part would also happen if the Fediverse "takes off", yes? Then naturally companies would come in and trivially take things over as there's money to be made.
It's a natural end state until governments can be made to curb corporate freedom.
Ah yes of course. Both Meta and Bluesky have far outrun any federated-short-blogging effort of the Fediverse, and as a result companies will rather want to monetize those. But this is also the paradoxical situation of people in here who both want "the Fediverse to succeed" and "keep corporate interests out of the Fediverse": Either won't happen.
Right now it looks more like this'll remain a hyper-specialized place for specific discussions, Mastodon more so. You can go there for false dichotomies in regards to browser development feedback for example, or for dejected Youtube actual-content-creators getting yelled at for engaging with their community.
But it seems it'll stay at that. However, this also keeps any monetary interest away from it, so that's good. Of course, should this ever change and the Fediverse grows more welcoming and that works and it grows bigger, of course the moment users move in (in numbers), advertisers, astroturfers and all will move in with them. That's just a given.
And partially why I hate this "Just block'em!"-approach to Threads: It assumes the stick-your-fingers-into-your-ears-and-ignore-the-issue approach would ever be an actual solution to any problem. And then when you run into an issue you cannot avoid that way, you have fuck all experience doing something actionable about it, as you've never tried before.
It is a fair position in the sense that it's technically within their legal rights to do whatever the fuck they want, but it is a feeble sham compared to the full and well-behaved fedi interoperability they should've had from the start since that was how it was sold from to their users from the beginning.
If they some day get there, I would still be open to considering federating with it. For now "it’s an ongoing process" as they carefully tweak things to find out how far they can go with the strictly limited access to the outside world they allow, while still keeping all their users captive.
If you were a threads user, you'd be unable to reply to this even if you did somehow see it. I welcome any of them to do so and prove me wrong.
Step 1. Built Internet to get away from TV
Step 2. Corporate Greed TV moves over and ruins Internet.
Step 3. Build New Internet to escape Old Internet Ruined by TV bloodsuckers.
Step 4. Go back to step 2 and replace tech names with next itteration.
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Microsoft Windows kernel changes don't suddenly mean big things for Linux gaming
cross-posted from: lemm.ee/post/42362729
There's a lot of blog posts and news articles being written right now centred around Microsoft's plans for updates to Windows 11, and potential kernel changes, with some thinking this means big things for Linux gaming.Sorry to say, but I'm here to bring a more realistic take and to help keep all your feet on the ground.
quite relevant to yesterday's discussion.
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Exactly. Microsoft never does anything that isn't in their own financial interest.
Even if other people benefit from it, it really is all about ensuring that they have profit growth year after year.
So I can't trust anything that they ever do and nobody else who cares about freedom in technology should either.
The majority of "Linux issues" is created intentionally. It's often not enough to not support Linux officially (even if there would be no additional work involved anyway) and let players figure out problems on their own. A lot of studios, publishers and developers actually go out of their way and actively invest time to block Linux.
So nothing will obviously change. Windows could run on a fully compatible Linux kernel tomorrow and games would still check for Linux to artificially create issues.
Finally a good take. Or maybe I'm just a pessimist lol
Microsoft are masters at dancing around anti competitive regulation. Xbox is struggling, they've said so themselves. I think they're going to focus more on Gamepass and the Windows Store so making it as difficult as possible for the likes of the Steamdeck to succeeded is in their best interest. If they can push companies to adopt their new framework and at the same time make that framework almost impossible to implement into wine then its a win win. They can hurt wine while painting it as better security so they're isn't another CrowdStrike incident.
Anticompetitive practices disguised as user security.
I know linux isn't very popular for the general public but Apple has their own implementation of wine in development and Google has flooded schools with Chromebooks. If I was Michaelsoft, I'd want to crush the competition quickly and discreetly now before I implement my Windows subscription so people don't have any good alternatives left
Linux 6.11 released
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sched_ext merged? Was looking forward to messing around with that.
The answer seems to be yes but I have not seen much detail on what works now and what does not. It also seems that device trees are required for each device and I have only seen that for one ASUS and one Lenevo so far.
If anybody knows more, I would love an update.
DaVinci Resolve not recognizing iGPU
configuration under preferences." This is what I see when I go to that menu. Any idea what I need to do to make DaVinci recognize the integrated GPU?
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Di you have an Optimus computer with 2 GPUs? Is your computer using a nvidia card? If so you might look into prime -> arch wiki.
You may or may not have to start D-resolve in a terminal prime-run %command% to force prime render offload.
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I’ve tested them all and they all launch fairly immediately.
I discuss some of the other feature differences here:
mark.stosberg.com/rofi-alterna…
I think for most people, Fuzzel will be the best choice, but compeitors offer unique features like Rofi-compatibility, HTML formatting support or the most important one: being written in Rust.
Hey, sorry for taking a long time, but I am farting around with the pinentry option now.
I don't have screens, but I wanted to point out a few scenarios that are challenging with fuzzel:
- as I was trying to describe before, the ability to write accompanying text is pretty important, as you need to be able to describe what gpg key is to be unlocked, and typically a string like "Enter PIN for Richard Nixon nobody@trickydicky.gov" is used - which is too long for fuzzel (gorbe.io/posts/gnupg/pinentry/…) Also keep in mind the error scenario, which adds even more copy (gorbe.io/posts/gnupg/pinentry/…). Lastly there is a "set window title" feature, which is perhaps not important for us (gorbe.io/posts/gnupg/pinentry/…)
- There are message scenarios which are difficult to place with fuzzel. Even if I wanted to just fail out some scenarios like reties, I would want some "notification", and would probably like to have fuzzel also used for that in order to keep the UI consistend across use cases. (gorbe.io/posts/gnupg/pinentry/…)
- There are cases where pinentry is expected to set copy for buttons for OK and Cancel and "Do not do this", IIRC to get internationalization. I think that these are less important. (gorbe.io/posts/gnupg/pinentry/…)
(ping @markstos@lemmy.world )
github.com/james-nesbitt/pinen… is a first try, shamelessly stealing everything from github.com/zamlz/pinentry-rofi…
Utpressning mot rappare. Den 9 september sköts det mot en lägenhetsdörr i Mariehäll i Bromma, Stockholm. Två dagar senare sköts det mot en dörr på Södermalm i Stockholm. De två skjutningarna hör ihop och riktades mot två rappare.
wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_…
That pages shows how to use curl to upload to 0x0.st.
I've used the pastebinit program listed on that page to upload to paste.debian.net, but it supports other sites as well.
from Making Worlds Books
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Three way fight politics argues that the far right grows out of an oppressive capitalist order but is also in conflict with it in real ways, and that radicals need to combat both. We’ll discuss the history of this perspective and how it can help us navigate today’s struggles, from anti-police riots to confronting the MAGA movement, drawing on the new collection of essays and interviews from PM Press and Kersplebedeb Publishing.
Matthew N. Lyons is the author of Insurgent Supremacists: The U.S. Far Right’s Challenge to State and Empire and coauthor with Chip Berlet of Right-Wing Populism in America. He has been a contributor to Three Way Fight since 2005, and his writings have also appeared in several other leftist and mainstream publications. Matthew is co-trustee of the Lorraine Hansberry Literary Trust, which stewards the literary legacy of the late playwright and activist Lorraine Hansberry.
Arturo Castillon is a writer and substitute teacher living in Philadelphia. With Shemon Salam, he is the coauthor of The Revolutionary Meaning of the George Floyd Uprising (Daraja Press, 2021) and has published work in The George Floyd Uprising (PM Press, 2023) as well as in Black Quantum Futurism: Space-Time Collapse II (The AfroFuturist Affair/House of Future Sciences Books, 2020).
Knivdåd i Hässelby med högerextrema kopplingar. En 14-årig pojke har omhändertagits som misstänkt för flera knivattacker på äldre personer i Hässelby, Stockholm. Han är misstänkt för ett mordförsök på en man i 80-årsåldern i Hässelby. Troligen är han också misstänkt ett annat mordförsök på en kvinna i 50-årsåldern i samma område.
As It Enters Its 32nd Year: Oslo Provided Cover for Occupation Policies and Stands as an Obstacle to the National Program
As the Oslo Accords enter their 32nd year, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine issued a statement describing the obligations imposed on the Palestinian Authority as the “major obstacle” with the occupation, hindering the national struggle for legitimate national rights, represented in freedom, independence, and return.
The statement added: The Democratic Front had warned from the moment of signing the Oslo Accords that it was a coup against the Palestinian national project, providing political cover for the disgraceful acts of the “israeli” occupation such as arrests, killings, house demolitions, displacement, land confiscation, and settlement expansion.
The Democratic Front added: After 32 years of the Oslo Accords, achieving national rights through the agreement and its obligations has become impossible, especially in light of the exposed “israeli” strategies that no longer require explanation. The situation in the West Bank, including Al-Quds, the Gaza Strip, and the right of return for refugees, clearly indicates that the Oslo obligations are still imposed solely on the Authority, and its choices and bets remain centered around false promises that paralyze all efforts to break free from the Oslo predicament. The aim is to move through steadfast field and institutional unity towards an alternative option as decided by the Central Council (2015), the National Council (2018), and reaffirmed by the Central Council (2022). This involves reconsidering the relationship with the occupation and aggression state, politically, security-wise, and economically.
The Democratic Front emphasized that the claim of Oslo’s death and the end of security coordination is contradicted by daily realities. It clarified that the “israeli” side has abandoned its commitments under Oslo, while the Authority has held on to its choices and bets, whose political corruption the realities have confirmed. The Authority has adhered to Oslo and its obligations, maintaining its political stance despite a clear challenge to the national will, which has been expressed by our people through their legitimate and legislative institutions and in dialogues held in Moscow, Beijing, and previously in Algiers and Cairo.
1. Accelerating the implementation of the Beijing Declaration’s outcomes by convening an immediate meeting of the temporary and unified leadership framework to lead the struggle and form a national unity government from active and competent individuals, ensuring the unity of the Palestinian state’s land and blocking alternative solutions.
2. Activating the unified national leadership in the West Bank and developing fieldwork plans to organize the popular movement and form committees to defend the land, villages, and cities, supported by Palestinian Security Forces liberated from Oslo and its obligations. This also includes providing elements of popular steadfastness politically, socially, and economically in the face of the decisive battle waged by the “israeli” fascist government.
3. Working diligently to stop “israeli” hostilities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank through an agreement that leads to the withdrawal of occupation forces from Palestinian land within the 1967 borders, linked to a serious and meaningful political process that leads to an international conference on the Palestinian cause. The conference’s results would ensure the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within the 1967 borders with Al-Quds as its capital, guarantee the right of return for refugees to their homes, and launch an international project to rebuild what the occupation destroyed in Gaza. This would close the door on forced or voluntary migration and complete Palestine’s accession to international institutions and agencies, including obtaining full membership in the United Nations.
The Democratic Front concluded its statement by calling for strengthening national unity in the field, asserting that abolishing the Oslo Agreement and halting its obligations and commitments is the obligatory entry point to transitioning to the national strategy endorsed by Palestinian legitimacy in its National and Central Councils and reaffirmed by national dialogues, with the latest being the Beijing Declaration outcomes.
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New Linux Malware Campaign Exploits Oracle Weblogic to Mine Cryptocurrency
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No joke. I'm ashamed to say I have had to endure Weblogic in the past. God was that time a massive clusterfuck.
The company I worked for decided to use two particular separate products (frameworks, specifically; ATG and Endeca, even more specifically) to use in tandem in a rewrite of the company's main e-commerce application. Between when we signed on the dotted line and when we actually started implementing things, Oracle acquired the companies behind both products in question.
The company should have cut their losses, run away screaming, and started evaluating other options. That's not what happened. Instead, they doubed-down and also adopted several other Oracle products (Weblogic and Oracle Linux on (shudder) Exalogic servers) because that's, of course, what Oracle recommended to use with the two products in question. The company also contracted with Oracle-licensed "service integration" companies that made everything somehow even worse.
And the e-commerce site rewrite absolutely crashed and burned in the most gloriously painful way possible. They ended up throwing away tens of millions of dollars and multiple years on it.
When the e-commerce site rewrite did happen, it was many years later and used basically only FOSS technologies. I guess at least they learned their lesson. Until the upper management turns over again.
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You can't really and make a profit. You pay more in electricity than you get in crypto.
...unless someone else is (unknowingly) paying for the electricity.
(Of course, when the price of crypto takes an upturn, sometimes it might get profitable again. And I'd imagine there are people mining it even when the price is low banking on the idea that it'll spike again and they can sell it.)
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Open Source Everything: A curated list of the best open source software
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/20306561
Hi everyone! For... I guess over a year now? I've been observing and trying out lots of software recommended by the privacy community and internet as a whole. With that time, I've been able to slowly put together a list of all the software I personally believe to be the best for their own various reasons. I finally have enough to be able to share it with all of you!I'm also looking for feedback. I haven't tried all the software on that list, and I'm sure there's software I've never heard of that needs added. I'm looking for your feedback on what you think should be added, removed, or changed. That includes the list itself, if you think there are any design improvements.
Do note: Any software marked with a ⭐️ I am not looking for feedback on. This is software that I firmly believe is the best of the best in its category, and likely will not be changed. However, if there is a major issue with the software that you can provide direct proof of, then there is a chance it will be changed in the next release. There are no grantees.
The sections marked with ℹ️ are lacking, and can use your help! Some software there may not be the best one, or may have many software or sections missing. I am absolutely looking for help and feedback here, and would love your help!
My goal with this project is to help people find the best software from many standpoints, and to prove that there really are good open source alternatives for almost anything! I hope this helps someone, and I look forward to your feedback!
Thank you all for reading and taking the time to look through my list!
Edit: This project has moved to GitLab!
GitHub - An-anonymous-coder/Open-Source-Everything: A curated list of the best open source software.
A curated list of the best open source software. Contribute to An-anonymous-coder/Open-Source-Everything development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Thanks for the suggestion! I'll add it to the To-Do list!
I've currently got a huge backlog of apps to research, but I did take a quick look and it looks enticing.
This list needs LM Studio!
You can also add TextBin: lemm.ee/post/42326405
I find it disturbing that you promote piracy-favoring Monero but not Bitcoin itself.
Where is Syncthing?
Librera Reader is closed-source, as is Proton Mail.
I'd like to recommend the addition of Waterfox.
Studio Ghibli releases free-download board game
Studio Ghibli releases free-download board game — Here’s how to play it without reading Japanese
The sugoroku trip around Ghibli Park is also an Easter egg hunt.Casey Baseel (SoraNews24 -Japan News-)
Analysis: Nuclear war would be more devastating for Earth’s climate than cold war predictions
Analysis: Nuclear war would be more devastating for Earth’s climate than cold war predictions
Professor Mark Maslin (UCL Geography) highlights in The Conversation research that used modern climate models to map the effects of a nuclear war, and which found the resulting nuclear winter would plunge the planet into a “nuclear little ice age” la…UCL News
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US is about to approve deep strikes into Russia. The difference here from previous escalations is that the strikes would have to be done by NATO personnel. Russia stated that it would consider this to be a direct act of war by NATO against Russia because it would be NATO troops launching strikes into Russia. At that point we are effectively in WW3 between NATO and Russia.
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Thank you! I read most of the first one and skimmed the second -- I don't get why they strikes would need to be done by NATO personnel.
Both articles allude to the fact that Putin considers it to be an attack by NATO because they'd be NATO-supplied weapons, but given his track record, he'd probably say anything more than turning a blind eye is an offense by NATO.
The strikes have to be done by NATO personnel because these missiles use NATO satellite guidance, and are designed to only be operated by military personnel of the respective countries. This was earlier confirmed by Scholtz as a justification for not sending taurus missiles to Ukraine, and the leaked conversation of German officers.
Western media omits the important part of the statement, but If you listen to what he says, he's specifically talking about NATO personnel operating the weapons
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It's probably a discussion for allowing Ukraine to do what they want with long range weapons.
Russia has made pretty direct statements about what happens then - they will consider NATO to be in direct war with Russia.
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Ah, I might've mixed it up with threatening or insinuating nuclear war.
Either way, it just seems like more sabre-rattling. Also, it's not something that the US is doing, it's something that Putin's being a pansy about.
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I know I’m wrong? Notice you replied on my first and, at the time, only message in the whole thread. And my statement is the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine.
So no, I don’t know I’m wrong. In fact I know I’m right.
Another example of deliberate bad faith: lying about what you said
You could have edited your previous comment to make it appear you were telling the truth but you're stupid and lazy apparently
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Maybe try debating people when you learn to form coherent thoughts. What I said is “Russia invaded Ukraine”, there is no bad faith or lying about it. It is an objective fact.
It does indeed seem that someone is stupid and lazy between the two of us, try looking in a mirror and you’ll find them.
Why are you using quotation marks around something that isn't a quote? You said something completely different.
"No U" all you want, dummy. You're being evasive for a reason.
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Does it trigger you that I am saying that Russia invaded Ukraine? You seem to be quite tilted about it. Maybe learn the meaning of words before using them, I am being the opposite of evasive. You said I am wrong, and I said I have nothing to be wrong about because I did not provide opinions, only a single fact: Russia invaded Ukraine.
Goodbye
Go read your original comment, you petulant child.
Your statement there is objectively different than "Russia invaded The Ukraine"
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The role the west played in provoking the war is well documented mearsheimer.com/wp-content/upl…
In fact, RAND openly published a whole paper detailing why the US wanted a war in Ukraine in 2019 rand.org/pubs/research_reports…
Yet, here we have you acting like a clown.
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Nato is a defensive alliance, not an offensive one. The only way it could be perceived as a “threat” by Russia is id Russia had intention of expanding in that direction.
And what happened to the self-determination of countries, if countries like, say, Sweden and Finland want to join NATO as additional defence against a militaristic expansionist Russia, that is absolutely their right.
But since you are not debating in good faith, I’m not gonna spend more words and effort on this.
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Operations on terrorist organizations. Geography was not taken from any of those countries. I was against the Iraq war and I think many Americans were, I wouldn’t try to defend it.
Now how is Putin invading Ukraine to expand Russia’s territory similar to those?
You Russian shills love to call everyone idiots because no one understands global conflict like you do, but do you really?
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My attitude isn't going to matter if we all die. Neither will yours, lol
[...] gamble the future of humanity over western hegemonic interests
...I thought this was about Ukraine fighting back against the country that's been invading it
That's why avoiding a nuclear war is in everyone's interest. Yet, clearly plenty of imbeciles in the west don't understand that.
…I thought this was about Ukraine fighting back against the country that’s been invading it
That's because you're utterly ignorant on the subject you're attempting to discuss here. Ukraine is just a proxy for the US to attempt and extend Russia as the RAND paper puts it.
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Putin: NATO's Approval of Use of Long-Range Missiles by Ukraine Will Mean It is at War With Russia
‘Extremely Clear’: Kremlin Comments on Putin's Warning About West’s Arms Striking Deep Into Russia
Putin Warns NATO Long-Range Missile Strikes Will Put Them at War with Russia
Russia warns NATO of ‘direct war’ over Ukraine
Enemies must realize Russia could go nuclear – ex-Kremlin adviser
Do note that I did not have to look for "western anti russian propaganda media" like.... mainstream news. These are Russian state sponsored news websites.
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Idk where you're going with this, I just felt like looking for direct quotes, because you asked for any quote from Russian officials saying that X would mean war with NATO.
While stating :
I’ll save you the trouble though, cause it doesn’t exist.
I was very clearly replying to this statement claiming that Russia has supposedly outlines lots of previous red lines that have been broken.
Russia claiming X means war with NATO has been a bit of a recurring theme throughout the war.
Are you just intentionally ignoring the context here?
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No I believe you're being intellectually disingenuous, because you're now paraphrasing the comment you responded to, to try and twist the argument in your favour, the previous interaction was :
- Russia claiming X means war with NATO has been a bit of a recurring theme throughout the war.
To which you directly replied
- Please do provide a previous official quote from Russia stating that. I’ll save you the trouble though, cause it doesn’t exist.
I'm not sure I quite like where this is going and I'm not in the mood for arguing over such a minimal thing, so I'd like to end the interaction here, see ya around !
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Hopefully Russia ceases their invasion soon then. They could have ended it any time they wanted, but for some reason, they insist on keeping their "three-day, special military operation" going.
I'm rooting for peace. Hopefully, Russia comes around.
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That's an interesting way of framing Russia ending the world in a nuclear holocaust because Ukraine didn't *want to be a part of Russia's sphere of influence*.
It would be best for everyone if Russia would stop the escalation, and I hope they do. If not, we have to find a better solution to imperialism than appeasement, because that doesn't work long-term either.
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The same way the US would end the world if Russia started building bases in Mexico. In fact, this exact scenario already happened during the Cuban missile crisis. Anybody who keeps peddling the notion that Russia should just accept NATO encroachment is deeply intellectually dishonest.
It's obvious to everyone with even a minimally functioning brain that Russia isn't just going to pack up and go home after nearly three years of war. Especially given that Russia is very obviously winning the war at this point. NATO has a choice to accept reality that they lost or to start a nuclear holocaust. It's pretty clear that there are plenty of imbeciles living in NATO countries who would prefer the latter.
Meanwhile, this whole narrative of appeasement is the height of bullshit. Everybody appeased the US and NATO when they invaded Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and countless other countries. The US currently occupies a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. The appeasement just means that NATO has to accept that another country is doing what NATO does regularly.
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What are you even talking about. This all started back in the 90s, and has been going on since. In fact, plenty of western experts have been warning about NATO expansion for many decades. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:
truthout.org/articles/us-appro…
truthout.org/articles/noam-cho…
::: spoiler 50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:
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::: spoiler George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.
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::: spoiler Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"
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Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.
Anybody who pretends that this all started in 2014 is deeply intellectually dishonest.
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Yes, it did start in the 90s. With this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia…
Now who violated the treaty?
Who’s being intellectually dishonest in this thread again?
The US doing a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 was what started the civil war there last I checked. So, pretty clearly it was the west that violated the sovereignty of Ukraine by violently overthrowing a democratically elected government and replacing it with literal fascists.
You are the one being intellectually dishonest in this thread.
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A study found that a nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would kill more than 5 billion people – just from starvation
Global food insecurity and famine from reduced crop, marine fishery and livestock production due to climate disruption from nuclear war soot injection - Nature Food
Calorie availability and extent of food shortages for each nation are estimated following regional or global nuclear war, including impacts on major crops, livestock and fishery production.Nature
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Sad to see that study having gone through peer review in Nature. The type of nuclear weapons that are in the current arsenals aren't bringing up soot into the atmosphere. That's the propaganda from the 60s and 70s speaking.
"Who are you to ... "
Agree, so read the study and see that it isn't based on the actual arsenals.
Also: "In the 1980s, there were investigations of nuclear winter impacts on global agricultural production"
That's proven and quite famous russian propaganda. Including that in their study has me doubting their motivations.
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That's proven and quite famous russian propaganda.
Check @yogthos@lemmy.ml comment history
Speaks for itself haha
hat’s proven and quite famous russian propaganda. Including that in their study has me doubting their motivations.
[citation needed]
meanwhile, here's a study from UK for you ucl.ac.uk/news/2023/aug/analys…
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Everything coming from you is phony because you’re a big fat phony!
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Oh nobody's denying that there aren't academics who easily fall for Russian propaganda. I mean, even Carl Sagan fell for the one where all this started.
That doesn't change that we now know better.
This sort of obviously emotionaly driven vitriol makes it look like you want people to belive this regardless of if it truth as you feel it serves an important goal. The other person on the debate has shown an understanding of the issue and history of this topic while remaining civil, I don't see you counter any of his points or raise any evidence in your favor outside gishgallop links which you provide without explanation or demonstrated understanding.
I don't know or really care who's right because it's meaningless but you certainly don't look like the person with a valid position here.
Who said it was an acceptable scenario? That's not been suggested.
You're saying we should belive any story that makes nuclear war sound even worse than it obviously is regardless of its scientific accuracy. Science should be objective truth not whatever serves the agenda you're trying to push, even if it's objectives are good.
No, I'm saying that we should seriously consider peer reviewed research on the likely effects of a nuclear war. Meanwhile, a bunch of idiots here are claiming that western peer reviewed research is Russian propaganda. The fact that you're claiming that I'm the one pushing an agenda is fascinating.
By the way, my agenda is pretty simple. I don't want to die in a nuclear holocaust. The more idiots try to downplay the horror of a nuclear war the closer we all get to one.
Peer reviewed science gets overturned by other peer reviewed science all the time, the other person also had peer reviewed science so you don't get to just wave yours and win.
And yes your agenda is very obvious, you take the side of not wanting to be in a nuclear war - I think that's pretty much a universally agreed upon position.
However you also have another facet to your opinion which is almost as universally disagreed with as your other position is agreed with - you think that science should be falsified so it seems to provide answers which suit your social and political aims rather than it being an effort to understand the world and reach a truthful and valid conclusion.
You were very aggressive and rude to someone who did nothing more than provide more context and dissenting evidence in a discussion about science, that's not a good way to behave.
Peer reviewed science gets overturned by other peer reviewed science all the time, the other person also had peer reviewed science so you don’t get to just wave yours and win.
Sure, yet there's no actual evidence that this science has been overturned by anyone. At best there's a disagreement in the scientific community regarding what the worst case scenario would be.
And yes your agenda is very obvious, you take the side of not wanting to be in a nuclear war - I think that’s pretty much a universally agreed upon position.
Pretty clear that a lot of people are trying to marginalize the threat of a nuclear conflict even in this very thread.
However you also have another facet to your opinion which is almost as universally disagreed with as your other position is agreed with - you think that science should be falsified so it seems to provide answers which suit your social and political aims rather than it being an effort to understand the world and reach a truthful and valid conclusion.
Nope, I don't think that at all. That's just a straw man you're building here.
You were very aggressive and rude to someone who did nothing more than provide more context and dissenting evidence in a discussion about science, that’s not a good way to behave.
Frankly, I see nothing wrong with being aggressive and rude towards people spreading dangerous nonsense calling research they disagree with Russian misinformation. It's interesting how you went after me and not the other poster.
Okay, pseudonymous person on the internet, I’ll definitely take your word for it over a peer reviewed Nature paper.
That’s proven and quite famous russian propaganda. Including that in their study has me doubting their motivations.
Sure, Jan. Everything people don’t like is quite famously Russian propaganda these days.
So, a population of 3 billion afterward? That's what our population was in 1960.
A lot of people conflate "the end of our comfortable familiar civilization" with "the end of humanity as a species, woe, all shall perish."
Even if this prediction is sound it's not the end of the world.
It's very straightforward math based on the article you posted. It's not saying that a nuclear war wouldn't be bad, or shouldn't be avoided. Of course that should be avoided.
My issue is with the people who insist that humanity as a species is at risk from nuclear war. That's the part that's wrong.
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Keep in mind that the 5 billion figure is literally just from food insecurity and famine during and following nuclear winter.
More people would die in the explosions directly, and more would die from the resulting fires + building collapses + radiation fallout + infrastructural collapse.
Given that most targets are population centers and military targets (often both), it doesn't look good.
But yeah I mean there probably would be some survivors.
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But yeah I mean there probably would be some survivors.
This is literally the whole point I'm making. I really don't get the downvotes, it seems perfectly straightforward.
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Yeah, especially in the southern hemisphere, a few centuries later we might have slightly different genetics through rapid evolution via population collapse but we'd probably be back developing with a bit more accurate folk knowledge and probably actually a lot of remembered tech.
It'd be terrible to the people it happened to but barely a blip in the life history of the planet from the first evolution to the last lifeforms leaving or dying.
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If only either of the government cared about the people.
A megalomaniac using his population as cannon fodder Vs a military industrial complex that could care less if people die for its interest.
it's notable how you "your side" is allowed to be a wide system of dispassionate material interests and power structures involved in seeking to overcome contradictions against its interests in callous yet rational competition; while the "other side" is a single cartoon comic book villain singlehandedly doing 'all the bad things' on an irrational whim for reasons of 'vanity and cruelty' I guess. And its people and their interests and opinions from the rural poor to the college liberal to the oligarch capitalist to the Prime Minister are only relevant to pity or otherwise also one-dimensionally criticize. I hope you analyze the ways in which you are conditioned toward orientalism and myopic essentializing that serves your own "side's" imperialism by not recognizing and erasing the realities of other nations as just as complex and multifaceted as yours.
You're carrying a colonial outlook to distill such a huge and diverse country with a massive population of its 150 different ethnic/national people groups and 20+ autonomous republics and all its various economic interests and players and political trends and history as in Russia to an idealist child's comic book picture of one man's "megalomania". As the west not-so-coincidentally concocts this exact image for every country it tries to overthrow or attack, distilling them to 'one crazy irrational madman dictator who only knows force' and erasing the material existence and interests of the nation and its constituent classes and peoples and the history and context from which these things all arose as they exist. Which is very convenient then for "your side" to make it into whatever it wants.
Do you know what the Duma's structure and role is, its party and factional makeup is and has been, what their members' stances has been on topics like Ukraine since 2014, and what actions Putin has taken in accordance or against what they've been pushing for? Do you think its existence is just for show? You'll be surprised on some points and maybe dig deeper. To really have true understanding of a country you'd have to also dig into the historical, social, political, and economic realities, trends, and topics in the country --- and the contradictions, struggles, and syntheses between them over the years; and go past just 2014 to root these trends in their relevant circumstances experiences, struggles, transition periods, etc. from which they all arrived in their present form, on both a structural and people level. Optimally bolstered by some culture studies and language.
But learning about the RF's federal governmental structure, and the Duma, and then the differences between the statements and actions of the Duma vs the Russian President's statements and actions since 2014 is a starting point to start chipping away at this cartoon caricature notion you have, which is not rooted in reality. For any country on the planet. And you know this about your own country, but don't extend the same humanity and respect toward other countries. It's a very US American thing. Maybe if you don't have the language skills you can also machine translate some stuff that they say themselves in their statements and speeches and congresses rather than dubbed 8 second snippets followed by 10 minutes of punditry on CNN too. And that's just politics --- history and economy is important too. And never forget about the people on the ground. In who they actually are, not who you've decided they are, or your media has told you they are.
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This comes from a long line of shoddy "research" exaggerating potential effects of nuclear war. With MAD in place, like it was for the last 70 years, there's no need to make shit up, it'd be as bad as it can be. At first, they tried to convince people that NOx generated in fireball would strip atmosphere out of ozone; when proven wrong with experimental evidence (supersonic airliners generate some NOx; their output was big enough that it should have some effect on ozone layer according to their model, but it had none) they pivoted to "nuclear winter":
Although never openly acknowledged by the multi-disciplinary team who authored the most popular 1980s TTAPS model, in 2011 the American Institute of Physics states that the TTAPS team (named for its participants, who had all previously worked on the phenomenon of dust storms on Mars, or in the area of asteroid impact events: Richard P. Turco, Owen Toon, Thomas P. Ackerman, James B. Pollack and Carl Sagan) announcement of their results in 1983 "was with the explicit aim of promoting international arms control".[91] However, "the computer models were so simplified, and the data on smoke and other aerosols were still so poor, that the scientists could say nothing for certain".[91]
When proven wrong again with empirical evidence of oil fires of 1991 Gulf War, they shut up for some time:
When Operation Desert Storm began in January 1991, coinciding with the first few oil fires being lit, Dr. S. Fred Singer and Carl Sagan discussed the possible environmental effects of the Kuwaiti petroleum fires on the ABC News program Nightline. Sagan again argued that some of the effects of the smoke could be similar to the effects of a nuclear winter, with smoke lofting into the stratosphere, beginning around 48,000 feet (15,000 m) above sea level in Kuwait, resulting in global effects. He also argued that he believed the net effects would be very similar to the explosion of the Indonesian volcano Tambora in 1815, which resulted in the year 1816 being known as the "Year Without a Summer".The idea of oil well and oil reserve smoke pluming into the stratosphere serving as a main contributor to the soot of a nuclear winter was a central idea of the early climatology papers on the hypothesis; they were considered more of a possible contributor than smoke from cities, as the smoke from oil has a higher ratio of black soot, thus absorbing more sunlight.[93]
[101]In a 1992 follow-up, Peter Hobbs and others had observed no appreciable evidence for the nuclear winter team's predicted massive "self-lofting" effect and the oil-fire smoke clouds contained less soot than the nuclear winter modelling team had assumed.
[118]The atmospheric scientist tasked with studying the atmospheric effect of the Kuwaiti fires by the National Science Foundation, Peter Hobbs, stated that the fires' modest impact suggested that "some numbers [used to support the Nuclear Winter hypothesis]... were probably a little overblown."[119]
then came back again hoping that someone would not remember the former and believe them. Even one of authors (Owen B. Toon) is the same, they cite their old papers and use old wrong numbers. This is not somebody trying to figure out how reality works, this is somebody trying to sell you a story. That story tries to make them relevant, but they aren't anymore, and more importantly they're wrong
This all is also before noticing that 70s era nuclear arsenal doesn't even exist anymore, so their predictions lack a plausible starting point in the first place. It's horseshit start to finish
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