The Document Foundation is the small non-profit entity behind LibreOffice. It oversees the project and community, and is now expanding with new developer roles.
Yes, I feel bad recommending LibreOffice to people who only used paid software, as the UI is quite a hurdle. Installing a theme and symbol-pack was the first thing I did, even before editing or writing something...
it works, but it's far from ideal. a lot of features are tucked away behind unintuitive context menus, and on some systems you need to do a bit of configuration for it to look right. for example, it uses bitmap icons by default, so if you use a hidpi screen the icons will look atrocious until you figure out how to switch them to vector icons.
and an ugly UI is a problem by itself. it's uninviting, unwelcoming. it gives a feeling of jank, of amateurism, and not in a good way. if you open the app for the first time and immediately think "this looks like it was last updated in 2003", it's not a good thing.
That are well documented and don't change once you figure out where they are. "UX" is code for "we'll rearrange everything you need twice a year and force you to constantly re-learn our app because fuck you."
if you open the app for the first time and immediately think “this looks like it was last updated in 2003”, it’s not a good thing
Why not? To me it's reassuring because it means the procedures I memorized years ago probably haven't changed. It's the same reason people like the command line so much. Office software UI is a solved problem and arguably peaked in 2003 before MS Office started adding all the bullshit, it doesn't need to be updated every single year.
it works for you because you got accustomed to it. cool! genuinely! but not everyone is a power user, not everyone will want to sift through documentation to find out how to do the thing they want that's easy to do with word
from the non-techy people i've spoken to who've used libreoffice, they all agree that it's worse than ms office because it gets in the way more. it's harder to do stuff, because it's less intuitive to them.
people in 3d modeling use blender. people in audio production use audacity. people in office work and schools, usually, do not use libreoffice, because if you can afford ms office it's just better for them. maybe that will change with office now being ai-infested webviews held together with gum, javascript and ever increasing subscription prices... then again, that hasn't slowed down adobe
imo the upcoming audacity 4 is an incredible example of open-source ui redesign, and should be an inspiration to everyone. the ui is sleeker, faster, easier to use, and yet it's still familiar to existing users! but you can do good stuff without
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it works for you because you got accustomed to it. cool! genuinely! but not everyone is a power user, not everyone will want to sift through documentation to find out how to do the thing they want that's easy to do with word
from the non-techy people i've spoken to who've used libreoffice, they all agree that it's worse than ms office because it gets in the way more. it's harder to do stuff, because it's less intuitive to them.
people in 3d modeling use blender. people in audio production use audacity. people in office work and schools, usually, do not use libreoffice, because if you can afford ms office it's just better for them. maybe that will change with office now being ai-infested webviews held together with gum, javascript and ever increasing subscription prices... then again, that hasn't slowed down adobe
imo the upcoming audacity 4 is an incredible example of open-source ui redesign, and should be an inspiration to everyone. the ui is sleeker, faster, easier to use, and yet it's still familiar to existing users! but you can do good stuff without recreating the whole ui from scratch like they did, of course
So, you compare classic menus in one of them with a ribbon menu in the other? Don't you know how to compare? Do you also compare car speeds with one driving in reverse and the other i 5th gear?
I'll give you an example since you clearly don't understand heuristics.
Look how OnlyOffice highlights selected buttons with a light gray tint.
LibreOffice on the other hand highlights them with very strong blue color, which draws the users attention and distracts them from the document.
There are many more very bad design choices that LibreOffice makes, but it's just a cluttered mess in general and can really put in some work to hide away all those buttons. Yes if you know where they are and use them every single day then it's more efficient, but it takes up a lot of (mind) space to see all those buttons all the time.
Oh, so in a colorful toolbar, you are distracted by a single color? Sounds like an ADHD issue, and not a real world one. I have never seen or heard anyone but you say (Oh, I really can't work with this, I'm soooo distracted by the light blueish color that is behind the selected option)...
Here's a pro tip. You can change the color of the selected option in you menu. You can even chose different themes that changes that. I'm sorry to hear, that this is a dealbreaker for you. I surely hope that you'll stay away from LO or other free software, because you are too fragile to use them anyways.
It seems like a you problem, that you can't function in an app that highlights the current chosen option with a light bluish color. 🙃
Oh, BTW, I know a lot of people using LO, that hasn't got perfect vision. They would not be able to navigate in a toolbar where there only is a slight shift in the light of a color. It's perfectly good UI design to make it the way LO does...
There's clearly plenty people in this very post complaining about the UI/UX of LO as being bad. You can have anecdotal examples of people liking it but I bet most of the ones that don't also have more examples.
Of course that it's a us problem. Problem is, us is the huge majority, and if the huge majority thinks that the UI is bad, it kinda is...
Do you know the difference for something being bad, and something being rudimentary? Show me an UI/UX that doesn't have a lot of people complaing about something?!?
Oh, are you the spokesperson for "the huge majority"? Please show me where that was decided... Talk for yourself, don't try to claim the right to speak for others.
It kinda doesn't? The first time you open a file (because let's be honest we don't open the program itself usually) 4 popups show up,, which you close because you want to see the damn file, and then the UI change is all gone.
Having the user click some buttons from popups on the first launch to enable the good UI is bad UX. Simple as.
I never tried looking into UI options, I use just OnlyOffice nowadays but LibreOffice should consider turning that on by default if it's an option.
OnlyOffice also has a 10/10 screen when you open it, instantly asking whether you want to open a text document, PDF, make a slideshow etc. It's just very polished and they actually put effort into the UI.
I don't think LibreOffice is 'bad' either, the functionality is great and the foss license is superior to Onlyoffice
But when I compare it to Word and OnlyOffice (especially OnlyOffice since it's free and open source) it lacks that polish and good default settings.
Not everything has to be to be VIM, good defaults are very important especially for novice users. And OnlyOffice has understood that very well.
I would like for LibreOffice to succeed. Therefore I hope they take some design cues from OnlyOffice or have a good UI developer even come up with something better. Basically I hope the guy in the post is going to town and heavily modernizes the current default LibreOffice layout.
Agreed, if you grew using another program, switching is hard unless it's UX/UI is superb.
When I ditched Adobe, Inkscape was a breeze. GIMP is hard AF and Krita a bit easier but it doesn't have the features I need. I ended up using Photopea, and now I've tried Affinity and it's the best Photoshop alternative I've tried yet.
Collabora is looking pretty good so far. Still a few rough edges but easier than any other FOSS office software.
I love Inkscape, it’s so intuitive! I didn’t even need to read the docs. And now that Affinity is coming to Linux I’m hoping I can switch my work to these options.
Inkscape was hell for me when I tried it years ago. I just had no clue where to find stuff and how to navigate properly. Maybe I have to give it another try.
Says more about you than Inkscape. Seriously. It's build like literally almost every other program out there. Tools to the left, menus at the top, navigation and other windows at the right. How can you not find stuff?
I'm used to Inkscape since forever. I'm no graphics design expert, but do know my way around Inkscape for simple SVG editing, mostly stuff shamelessly taken off Wikimedia.
Way back in college, I enrolled in an elective "graphic design" course. Of course, being a course, they used Illustrator.
That thing works nothing like Inkscape. It was a long time ago, but I remember being baffled by it, to the point of being unable of doing basic stuff.
To be fair, I had no need for learning Illustrator and no wish to do it either, so I quit the course while I still could and exchanged it. I just felt like i'd be losing my nerves on switching, when I had better stuff to do than becoming dependant on Adobe and losing my minf in the process.
Both programs may indeed sport menus in the same spots, but the menus aren't the same. They may look like the same thing, but they're really not.
It's kind of like a bus and a train. Illustrator (the bus) sports all the nice stuff (i assume) from other Adobe stuff.
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They have a point.
I'm kind of the other way around:
I'm used to Inkscape since forever. I'm no graphics design expert, but do know my way around Inkscape for simple SVG editing, mostly stuff shamelessly taken off Wikimedia.
Way back in college, I enrolled in an elective "graphic design" course. Of course, being a course, they used Illustrator.
That thing works nothing like Inkscape. It was a long time ago, but I remember being baffled by it, to the point of being unable of doing basic stuff.
To be fair, I had no need for learning Illustrator and no wish to do it either, so I quit the course while I still could and exchanged it. I just felt like i'd be losing my nerves on switching, when I had better stuff to do than becoming dependant on Adobe and losing my minf in the process.
Both programs may indeed sport menus in the same spots, but the menus aren't the same. They may look like the same thing, but they're really not.
It's kind of like a bus and a train. Illustrator (the bus) sports all the nice stuff (i assume) from other Adobe stuff. Just like a bus uses the same road like cars do, with the same signalization.
Inkscape is more like the train. It does things differently from say Krita or Gimp, but it also does other stuff than either Krita or Gimp. Which (dare I say) makes it more effective at what it's meant to do.
Nothing like illustrator? Seriously? They have tools named the same, doing the same thing. Maybe some shortcuts are different, but if you really are that set in your ways, you can go change it in Inkscape. You can even go into the settings (named settings, under edit, like in almost every other app) and set the shortcuts to Adobe Illustrator (or a number of other apps), and then you have the same shortcuts in Inkscape.
Please be concrete here. Tell me exactly a menu item that does something fundamentally different in Inkscape, than it does in Illustrator?
Do you really need the exact same menus with the exact same options in each app? If so, then you are basically saying that you want the same program, and then this talk is rather pointless...
You do know the difference from vector graphics and bitmap, right?
I know I write essays which is a weak point of mine. One I should address, but I see the gist of my message didn't get to you.
For one I use (and like) Inkscape and have strong negative feelings towards Adobe (and run Linux). Just like most of the folks here. That, however, should be pretty clear-cut from my original message.
GIMP is well worth getting used to, especially now we are post 3.0 with a proper non-destructive workflow for filters/effects. I had always found it confusing to learn, having the Photoshop UI fossilised into my neural pathways, but what unlocked it for me was following an online GIMP course for 2/3 hours, which amounted to far less time than I had formerly spent cracking photoshop or working to pay for it.
Some great plugins are coming out now too. The Batcher plugin in particular makes GIMP (and GMIC by extension) extremely powerful for automation.
I think it's ok for switching to be hard if the UI is built for productivity. I'm not really a "creative" worker in the most common sense, so I'm guessing GIMP's UI sucks even after you learn it, but I do know VIM is not intuitive at all, yet improves productivity compared to most IDEs/text editors. I've also worked on an application, working closely with our somewhat technical users, and they would suggest UI changes that were often not intuitive, but increase their productivity a bit (less need for using a mouse, less keystrokes/clicks and stuff like that).
YMMV but I've found the GIMP UI to be pretty much on a par with photoshop after having learnt the UI and learnt/modified the keyboard shortcuts. Some things are in fact better in GIMP, like panning and zooming. I've transitioned to GIMP on my own hardware but still use photoshop at a workplace.
If photoshop was open source then I think there would be a conversation to be had but I wouldn't pay for it now that I'm used to GIMP.
Boo. It's one of the last GUI software without user infantilization syndrome. Go use Google Docs if you want your software to coddle you.
I swear if LibreOffice starts talking to me like I'm a child like MS Office does or starts having animations that actively slow me down and spike my CPU usage just to open a menu or something.
Also, I've noticed a pretty strong correlation between "modern UX" and instability in office software. I don't think I've ever had LibreOffice crash on me, the last major UX revision of MS Office definitely crashed more often than LibreOffice, and the latest version of MS Office crashes at least once every time I have to use it taking my unsaved work with it even with autosave on. I don't know what "experience" they're aiming for but not crashing and causing data loss should probably be prioritized over making it look pretty.
Maybe the "you never get a second chance for a first impression" is indeed unfair but it is hurdle for adoption.
In my case my motivation to keep using and trying LibreOffice is driven by the hate for MS and not by the love for LO.
For example: I went through some eye surgeries and really needed a dark mode. But I couldnt get a dark mode in which buttons still were cleary visible. Icons not showing well and hard to tell what they were for. Meaning I kept hoping the tooltips showed something usefull. But "reading" icons is a bit strange .... I am sure if I search forums, git issues and documentation something usefull will turn up.
And maybe its infantile like you said but I sure like contextual filled menubars since PaintshopPro in 2005. So whats with the empty menus showing a handfull buttons and everything else in some cornermenu? Seems like a waste of screen real estate.
As for dataloss: sure my data wasnt lost but loading and pivoting a 90k row data table made Calc freeze and only restarted after killing it. 90k is not for everyone but it sure isnt a lot either in spreadsheet land.
I went through some eye surgeries and really needed a dark mode. But I couldnt get a dark mode in which buttons still were cleary visible. I am sure if I search forums, git issues and documentation something usefull will turn up.
Hi everyone, I’m currently using Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon edition, version 6.2.7, which I reinstalled today on my laptop. When I open LibreOffice Writer, I’m experiencing an issue where some icons aren’t clearly visible in dark mode.
This is great, thank you! I had not gotten around to actually attempting to troubleshoot this, but was just accepting that I should just know where the buttons are for now.
I understand that real men like you want their software to hit them in the face on start-up, and then refuse to do anything until you type SUDO, but LibreOffice UI isn't even "good" kind of difficult. It's not like Vim, where once you learn how to use it you become much more productive. LibreOffice is just a plain old mess. You start by selecting one of four UIs, where you need to guess which one actually works (I remember that a basic feature that I needed, after the extensive search, turned out to be unavailable in the UI that I selected at the start).
They can develop multiple UI's. One for normal users and a classic one for people who like everything without a single menu bar or drop down menu to abstract the clutter away
They already have four. What they need is one which supports 100% of the features, is easy to use and selected by default. They might keep other more advanced UIs but forcing new users to select UI as a first step, before they can do anything in the software is just plain stupid.
Ok? They can stick to building computers and people who actually use the computers can work on their usabilities. Nerds dont need ui they can use the terminal.
You design the UI while considering the UX. You only develop the UI, but you need to Design the UX and then design the UI considering UX before developing it.
In the same way that you are implementing the UI, you sometimes also need to implement the UX. Animations are part of the UX, preloading is part of the UX... That sort of things.
Uuuuhhh... Semantics. Preloading is an optimisation technique and animations I would consider part of the interface, not the experience. You design an experience with animations on the interface.
It's whatever, I don't have a strong opinion on it so if you feel like my interpretation is wrong go at it, not gonna defend it.
UX is also about code : think about behavior, you may want to prevent any action before one is finished. This is UX and need to be coded.
An other example : I hate how kde's file explorer "dolphin" freezes completely while loading a remote storage. There is no change to be made as UI but a big one to do for the UX.
All you executives letting the developer do the designer's job to cost saving is why we end users often get bad user experience in the first place.
Before you guys down vote on me or make more comments like this, know that there are lots of full-time user experience designers out there, who don't know anything about programming. They don't get paid for doing nothing.
You're venting your anger on the wrong target mate. I am a developer with no diploma, never have been in any managing role (so not higher either) and always refuse to participate in any big evil corp (so say goodbye to high salary).
Other than this I am contributing to different FOSS project and specifically more interested in GPL than business-oriented MIT.
I don't need nor feel like downvoting you, you are totally missing the spot : the majority of my work was done be a team of 1, me, and sometimes up to 5, I have worked with designer here and there and it was so much better for me who interact way differently than 99% of the people (emacs user here).
In general don't think any executives would waste their time on Lemmy, they're busy enough with their Nazi Twitter.
Same look. Same code.Your files, your device. We’re excited to share the first release of the new Collabora Office for desktop – bringing the familiar, powerful Collabora Online experience, to run locally on Windows, macOS, and Linux.
I mean I got used to LO's default UI and make me hate ribbon ui that come with MS OF and Onlyoffice, so I hope they improve on the default ui instead of replacing it (if they replace it atleast keep the old ui as a toggle)
The testimony, collected by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), is the most recent of at least four reports of dogs being used in the sexual torture of detainees at the Sde Teiman facility and elsewhere.
“They know once they rape someone with a dog or with a stick that these people won’t be able to carry out their jobs or live their lives normally,” Basel Alsourani, international advocacy officer at PCHR, told Novara Media. “It’s part of their genocidal intention to destroy [Palestinians].”
“We were stripped completely. Soldiers brought dogs that climbed on us and urinated on me,” he said. “Then one of the dogs raped me – the dog… inserted its penis into my anus, while the soldiers kept beating and torturing us and spraying pepper spray in our faces.
As evidence mounts of Israel’s widespread sexual violence, human rights groups have published testimony detailing a particularly disturbing form of torture. Joshua Carroll reports.
Detect and mitigate React2Shell (CVE-2025-55182 and CVE-2025-66478), critical RCE vulnerabilities in React and Next.js. Organizations should patch urgently.
A zoster vaccine is a vaccine that reduces the incidence of herpes zoster (shingles), a disease caused by reactivation of the varicella zoster virus, which is also responsible for chickenpox.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) is aware of ongoing intrusions by People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-sponsored cyber actors using BRICKSTORM malware for long-term persistence on victim systems. BRICKSTORM is a sophisticated backdoor for VMware vSphere and Windows environments. Victim organizations are primarily in the Government Services and Facilities and Information Technology Sectors. BRICKSTORM enables cyber threat actors to maintain stealthy access and provides capabilities for initiation, persistence, and secure command and control. The malware employs advanced functionality, including multiple layers of encryption (e.g., HTTPS, WebSockets, and nested TLS), DNS-over-HTTPS (DoH) to conceal communications, and a SOCKS proxy to facilitate lateral movement and tunneling within victim networks. BRICKSTORM also incorporates long-term persistence mechanisms, such as a self-monitoring function that automatically reinstalls or restarts the malware if disrupted, ensuring its continued operation.
I heard the 22 in are actually preferred for competitive gowners it reduces the amount of travel the eye has to make between stitches and minimizes hand friction.
This table is actually an old sewing machine table that seems to be missing its extention (and drawers). The extension folds at the side when not in use and basically doubles the tables size when extended. Great table if you can install the extension.
Source: my mom inherited one of these tables from my great grandma. Absolutely gorgeous craftsman ship and functionality worth restoring and installing the original model of sewing machine. Nothing like them today.
9/10 for your grandma ... Looks like a dual boot setup .... a modern fast core system with multiple speed settings on top ... and an older OS that is manually operated that can be revealed from underneath (although once the power goes out, you'd have to lose the LEDs)
Damn. Here antique sewing machine must have stopped working. For those that don't know this is a new garbage quality (by comparison) sewing machine sitting on top the table for the old one.
The old one is probably still in it. It flips underneath for storage when not in use. Most tables have an extension that folds down at the side as well. Gives you the ability to have large blankets or quilts laid flat. Though it looks like they removed it.
I'm sure Grandma misses her old setup. The quality of the old machines were absolutely beyond most anything a consumer sewing machine could do today. All metal and no garbage plastic parts that break. Not to mention the massive foot pedal at the bottom. Never having to look down to see where that stupid plastic one slipped to.
Grandma is making due with what she has. If she still sews a lot I'm sure she'd love having her old machine fixed or replaced.
4/10 for the setup. But not much of a step up from me pulling out my sewing machine from the closet and putting it on the Kitchen table. Actually looks like the same Brot
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Damn. Here antique sewing machine must have stopped working. For those that don't know this is a new garbage quality (by comparison) sewing machine sitting on top the table for the old one.
The old one is probably still in it. It flips underneath for storage when not in use. Most tables have an extension that folds down at the side as well. Gives you the ability to have large blankets or quilts laid flat. Though it looks like they removed it.
I'm sure Grandma misses her old setup. The quality of the old machines were absolutely beyond most anything a consumer sewing machine could do today. All metal and no garbage plastic parts that break. Not to mention the massive foot pedal at the bottom. Never having to look down to see where that stupid plastic one slipped to.
Grandma is making due with what she has. If she still sews a lot I'm sure she'd love having her old machine fixed or replaced.
4/10 for the setup. But not much of a step up from me pulling out my sewing machine from the closet and putting it on the Kitchen table. Actually looks like the same Brother model i have. It's one of the better brands these days. Singer consumer grade is mostly garbage.
Setup has huge potential though. Repair the older sewing machine and it's 9/10 without any other changes. Then, add the extention, find the missing drawers for easy access to accessories and thread, and cleanup the cable management, it's an easy 10/10 setup. 10/10 to Grandma already though for working with what she's got.
You suffer from false nostalgia. The old machine is a beast, yes, but it has a swing shuttle. It holds very little thread, is hard to wind and load, gets tangled and makes a really crappy lockstitch. Has no reverse, piss poor stitch length adjustment and not enough balls to handle any layers without the belt slipping.
The new one is a piece of crap in comparison of build quality, but in terms of function and utility it blows the old one out of the water. And price.
I have an old one and have used it lots. It's fun to use, but far from efficient. I'll keep it around for the apocalypse but I'll use a modern one from at least the 70's (the nineteen seventies).
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This makes me sad Grandma probably use to sew on non plastic absolute beast of an antique Singer sewing machine. Now she's got some crappy plastic one she probably hates ontop of the old table.
Two sibling contractors convicted a decade ago for hacking into US State Department have once again been charged, this time for a comically hamfisted attempt to steal and destroy government records just minutes after being fired from their contractor jobs.
The Department of Justice on Thursday said that Muneeb Akhter and Sohaib Akhter, both 34, of Alexandria, Virginia, deleted databases and documents maintained and belonging to three government agencies. The brothers were federal contractors working for an undisclosed company in Washington, DC, that provides software and services to 45 US agencies. Prosecutors said the men coordinated the crimes and began carrying them out just minutes after being fired.
I certainly believe them. I have been banned on reddit for some of the mildest shit. If you call out lying scumbag right wingers you will be banned on any corporate social media. If you lie and spread right wing hatred, you will be left alone as long as you stop short of breaking specific rules.
I rarely see right wing nonsense outside of twitter and substack. Everywhere else it's just "leftists" (actually FEDS trying to set the tune in a violent key for people left-of-center) inciting violence on "nazis".
Weird that all the people in the places they are fighting are Russian speaking Ukrainians that mostly moved into Russia during this war after being violently repressed by the Ukrainian government when they voted to join Russia and were denied
They were held in 2014. The Russian invasion came after 10 years of violent suppression of the Russian majority of Donbas. To be clear I think Russia, Ukraine, EU and US are all awful villains in the world. But the US in particular is funding both sides of this war through client states in the EU when they overthrew the Ukranian government in 2014 and clandestinely through their proxies in Russia. The end goal is the Iraqification of Ukraine and theft of their resources.
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
You can justify almost anything if you reach back in history far enough. It’s our responsibility to break the cycle and it’s pretty easy to stop believing the framing of a dictator who only wants to justify his territorial ambitions (and who has made noticeable overtures toward the recreation of the Russian Empire).
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
The term “Holodomor” became popular in Ukraine and among the diaspora especially in the late 1980s. The phonetic similarity of Holodomor to Holocaust was not
My guy, Douglas Tottle’s central thesis wasn’t that the genocide didn’t happen, it was that it was unintentional. He uses the exact same arguments holocaust deniers use of muddying facts and saying “well no one explicitly signed a document saying kill all these people so did it really happen?” You can do better. Unrelated but evidence he cites couldn’t have possibly have been obtained by him without working with the Soviets, which speaks to who was in control of the narrative in the book, because the Soviets sure as shit weren’t gonna work with anyone who was going to blame them.
Also cool of you to insist that the EU somehow made Russia do this. And that the existence of some people who might be Nazis totally justifies killing indiscriminately inside another country. Do you think Russia’s treatment of LGBT people would justify someone invading them and killing indiscriminately to “solve” that situation?
Not to mention that the literal Nazis used the exact same justification of “ethnic
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My guy, Douglas Tottle’s central thesis wasn’t that the genocide didn’t happen, it was that it was unintentional. He uses the exact same arguments holocaust deniers use of muddying facts and saying “well no one explicitly signed a document saying kill all these people so did it really happen?” You can do better. Unrelated but evidence he cites couldn’t have possibly have been obtained by him without working with the Soviets, which speaks to who was in control of the narrative in the book, because the Soviets sure as shit weren’t gonna work with anyone who was going to blame them.
Also cool of you to insist that the EU somehow made Russia do this. And that the existence of some people who might be Nazis totally justifies killing indiscriminately inside another country. Do you think Russia’s treatment of LGBT people would justify someone invading them and killing indiscriminately to “solve” that situation?
Not to mention that the literal Nazis used the exact same justification of “ethnic Germans are being mistreated in the Sudetenland, so we must invade and intervene” as the Russians are doing right now.
I bet you think Xinjiang is just suffering from “abnormally low birth rates” too.
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
My guy, every definition of genocide is predicated on intentionality. Look it up.
You can argue this all you want, but when does something become intentional when you know about it and do not act to stop it? The Soviets at best knew people were dying and did nothing. Is that affirmation of the outcome, and therefore intentionality?
I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist biting the Xinjiang bait, but nice try citing a historical policy that is no longer in effect that has nothing to do with the very present low birth-rate situation.
And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?
Literally the exact opposite happened. The Soviets did a Ukrainization campaign to support and popularize Ukrainian language, literature and culture in regions where it had previously been marginal at best. Ukrainians were disproportionately represented in the leadership positions of the Soviet state. The Soviet Union was extremely pro-Ukrainian.
Nodutdol’s US out of Korea campaign seeks to educate the public about US military aggression in Korea, which is pushing the peninsula towards a renewed state of war.
German fairy tales were often about morality and what happens if you don't behave properly. The Suppenkasper has starved to death, Hans Guck in die Luft has drowned, the fingers of the Struppelpeter have been cut off, etc. I recommend the Wilhelm Busch house book.
Hans guck in die Luft was saved by dockworkers, and it was the Daumenlutscher with the cut off fingers.
Grimm Brothers were also German and the collected the most famous stories (Snowwhite, Rapunzel, Little Red Riding Hood, ...). In the original they were way more brutal too.
I'd change the meme to "... but written by Europeans."
I once saw this image/story being narrated by an over the top German guy, in some Facebook or tik tok or insta video, and found it hilarious, then I tried to find the damn video again for hours with no success, so now it just makes me sad. NoOOo Paunlinchen!
Libs will tell you either: - You are not working hard enough - or not working smart enough - Not being smart and hard working in the correct way. - "Well what do you expect? Not everyone can be a winner." - You know back in the day, people had to build their own house. ~~on the land they stole~~ - Kids in Africa don't have a house, maybe you should be more grateful for what you have. - I worked for what I have, don't expect me to solve your problems now. - Keep a positive attitude, things will turn out for the better.
Libs will tell you either: - You are not working hard enough - or not working smart enough - Not being smart and hard working in the correct way. - "Well what do you expect? Not everyone can be a winner." - You know back in the day, people had to build their own house. ~~on the land they stole~~ - Kids in Africa don't have a house, maybe you should be more grateful for what you have. - I worked for what I have, don't expect me to solve your problems now. - Keep a positive attitude, things will turn out for the better.
I've seen this arguments like this way too much, rich people deserve there wealth because they learned how game the system. It's important to realise there is a difference between what is right and what is lawful.
And then those same rich liars have the gall to turn around and act shocked on the occasions throughout history when the rest of us tell them to stand and deliver. Like bro you just said anything goes
The goal of this to show that they are actually good people? Because.... showing a few wrongly attributed quotes doesn't help their image or the historical context.
The afterglow of christian domination over western thought can be seen in the way our first and most important learned behavior is to separate "good people" from "bad people" as if anyone is purely one or the other, as if these are categories that carry any meaning of their own, and as if what makes a person helpful or harmful, kind or malicious, is some kind of innate essence and not a combination of their circumstances, intent, position and effectiveness.
You're right that mockery is a terrible way to convert anyone. I think the real issue is that you're not going to reach everyone, and that means we have to be strategic about where we put our energy. When someone is genuinely asking questions or wrestling with ideas in good faith, that's where patient, respectful dialogue is essential.
But a huge amount of online discourse isn't that. It's just bad faith concern trolling, sealioning, or just repeating liberal pieties. Engaging with that on its own terms is a trap because it wastes time and gives legitimacy to arguments designed to waste our time.
A sharp dismissal or ridicule draws a clear line, shows others they don't have to entertain every bad argument, and prevents the conversation from being derailed. The target is the audience, not the provocateur. So while it's useless for persuasion, I'd argue that it has a role in defining the boundaries of the discussion.
I will say the dismissiveness to an outside viewer can come across very poorly as well. I agree with your stance overall though, if nothing else it gets frustrating to argue with bad-faith or closed-minded people and can be liberating to tell them off, outside viewers would then just likely fall along the side they already had tho.
Yeah, you kind of have to play it by ear. I find a big red flag is when somebody just starts regurgitating well known tropes that have been discussed to death. That's usually a clear sign they're just here to stir shit up.
The only way to reach westerners is on the other side of a crisis that affects them personally. Anyone who can see the malicious cruelty of everyday life in America as well as the huge misery they export everywhere else and either pretend they don't know or shrug it off ain't gonna be converted by morality or reason, they're gonna be reached once it happens to them or the handful of people they might actually care about.
I personally try to be helpful and nicer when somebody's shown genuine curiosity or naive misguidedness. We've all been there at one point. But there's far too many who are just parroting the US line as if it were gospel and I don't think ridiculing them is even the worst option.
The goal is to debunk verifiable lies fed to you by the West. The post makes no mention of how good or evil they were, only that they definitely did not say these very specific evil things. If it happens to cause you to reconsider your conclusion that these people are evil, a conclusion also fed to you by the same Western propaganda, that's your business.
Whatever is written in a book is right — such is still the mentality of culturally backward Chinese peasants. Strangely enough, within the Communist Party there are also people who always say in a discussion, "Show me where it's written in the book." When we say that a directive of a higher organ of leadership is correct, that is not just because it comes from "a higher organ of leadership" but because its contents conform with both the objective and subjective circumstances of the struggle and meet its requirements. It is quite wrong to take a formalist attitude and blindly carry out directives without discussing and examining them in the light of actual conditions simply because they come from a higher organ. It is the mischief done by this formalism which explains why the line and tactics of the Party do not
Whatever is written in a book is right — such is still the mentality of culturally backward Chinese peasants. Strangely enough, within the Communist Party there are also people who always say in a discussion, "Show me where it's written in the book." When we say that a directive of a higher organ of leadership is correct, that is not just because it comes from "a higher organ of leadership" but because its contents conform with both the objective and subjective circumstances of the struggle and meet its requirements. It is quite wrong to take a formalist attitude and blindly carry out directives without discussing and examining them in the light of actual conditions simply because they come from a higher organ. It is the mischief done by this formalism which explains why the line and tactics of the Party do not take deeper root among the masses. To carry out a directive of a higher organ blindly, and seemingly without any disagreement, is not really to carry it out but is the most artful way of opposing or sabotaging it.
The method of studying the social sciences exclusively from the book is likewise extremely dangerous and may even lead one onto the road of counter-revolution. Clear proof of this is provided by the fact that whole batches of Chinese Communists who confined themselves to books in their study of the social sciences have turned into counter-revolutionaries. When we say Marxism is correct, it is certainly not because Marx was a "prophet" but because his theory has been proved correct in our practice and in our struggle. We need Marxism in our struggle. In our acceptance of his theory no such formalization of mystical notion as that of "prophecy" ever enters our minds. Many who have read Marxist books have become renegades from the revolution, whereas illiterate workers often grasp Marxism very well. Of course we should study Marxist books, but this study must be integrated with our country's actual conditions. We need books, but we must overcome book worship, which is divorced from the actual situation.
How can we overcome book worship? The only way is to investigate the actual situation.
Are we sure the Lenin one's not real? Lenin's plan for defeating the bourgeoisie was, famously, to work within the system to increase taxes through incremental reforms.
This is not what Marxists believe. Religion is the opiate of the people, a way to numb suffering in a world full of pain and deprivation. The first requisite to a happy people is improving material conditions. All communist experiments believe this. Religious institutions are a different matter, where states deal with them situationally
What's funny about the Stalin one is that it can very easily be read as a condemnation of the fact that when someone who enjoys some sort of elevated status dies it will be on the front page of every newspaper, while if tons of common people die from preventable causes year after year those same newspapers will do their best to just ignore it.
nope, one of his most famous quotes (that this is a corruption of) is:
"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality."
What next you're gonna tell me this quote isnt real? "Socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a real lot of stuff, it's communism." - Carl Mark
The most credible source I find credits it to an article by German satirist and journalist, Kurt tucholsky who was supposedly quoting a French diplomat in 1925
When the 6 people in the titan sub went missing, western govts moved heaven and earth to mount an extensive rescue operation despite knowing full well they most likely imploded.
Meanwhile, thousands die each year crossing the Mediterranean, and the same governments show nothing but contempt for them.
I'm all for getting off anything meta, but come on. Someone not wanting to move to a chat service that's probably less convenient for them does not make them a "so called 'friend'" lmao.
If you're actually losing friends over this, that's quite sad.
Gradually. You don't have to get all your friends off Meta right now. Maybe some of them will, and they might push their friends to ditch meta as well.
Just keep trying. But totally alienating your friends also won't do much good for the whole perception of the movement. Becomes a lot easier to just think of that weird guy who won't talk to us anymore because of some app, rather than what it's actually about.
I feel like I worded that really badly, but I hope my point comes across.
yeah still plinking away at it i guess, but they can always invest their money again in stealing back all of those users for a platform that will enshittify asap.
reminds me of that time people were gradually going to mastodon and then bluesky came around and stole all that thunder because of mostly superior marketing and being very similar to twitter.
I definitely do though. Hey I'm planning a brunch here means corporations have a little more information about where you live, where you like to eat, who you have friends with, your friends weeknesses, social media can then try to inflict the group with different political opinions splitting up the friendship increasing depression and therefore the amount of time you spend on social media because it's your only escape from your depression. Just to list an example of what could happen.
Exactly. Maybe one of your less close friends turns out to be a serial killer. Unbeknownst to you now you've made some jokes and had brunch with them. Now a team of cops is going through everything you've ever texted anyone because it's unencrypted, correlating things to make you look horrible. Suddenly you're getting your life ruined.
There are cases of innocent people riding their bikes past an unknown crime scene getting arrested for murder because their phone was reporting their location to Google. Try explaining to your boss that you're missing work today because you're in jail for a murder charge. Privacy is important even when you think it's not and perhaps especially when you think it's not
Yes it is, but most people cant understand it for some reason Its not 100% open source, haven't fixed a hole that breaks encryption for a while and the CEO is a jew who worked at facebook
Signal is blocked where I am, the assholes here created enough friction that nobody will bother (install signal and get a paid VPN with good obfs protocols to talk to me about how's the weather today -> dude nah I am good)
So I have Whatsapp for regular people (most). My family switched to Telegram years ago. My GFs family uses only Signal. My brother refuses such things and made us download SimpleX.
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It’s time to finally build the ticket to my well-deserved freedom from Windows! Join me as I desperately try to make this new Linux PC work, and who knows, it might even end up amazing!
It’s time to finally build the ticket to my freedom from Windows! Join me as I desperately try to make this Linux PC work, and who knows, it might end up amazing!
freeman
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Installing a theme and symbol-pack was the first thing I did, even before editing or writing something...
Darkenfolk
in reply to freeman • • •Chloé 🥕
in reply to Darkenfolk • • •it works, but it's far from ideal. a lot of features are tucked away behind unintuitive context menus, and on some systems you need to do a bit of configuration for it to look right. for example, it uses bitmap icons by default, so if you use a hidpi screen the icons will look atrocious until you figure out how to switch them to vector icons.
and an ugly UI is a problem by itself. it's uninviting, unwelcoming. it gives a feeling of jank, of amateurism, and not in a good way. if you open the app for the first time and immediately think "this looks like it was last updated in 2003", it's not a good thing.
HiddenLayer555
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •That are well documented and don't change once you figure out where they are. "UX" is code for "we'll rearrange everything you need twice a year and force you to constantly re-learn our app because fuck you."
Why not? To me it's reassuring because it means the procedures I memorized years ago probably haven't changed. It's the same reason people like the command line so much. Office software UI is a solved problem and arguably peaked in 2003 before MS Office started adding all the bullshit, it doesn't need to be updated every single year.
Chloé 🥕
in reply to HiddenLayer555 • • •it works for you because you got accustomed to it. cool! genuinely! but not everyone is a power user, not everyone will want to sift through documentation to find out how to do the thing they want that's easy to do with word
from the non-techy people i've spoken to who've used libreoffice, they all agree that it's worse than ms office because it gets in the way more. it's harder to do stuff, because it's less intuitive to them.
people in 3d modeling use blender. people in audio production use audacity. people in office work and schools, usually, do not use libreoffice, because if you can afford ms office it's just better for them. maybe that will change with office now being ai-infested webviews held together with gum, javascript and ever increasing subscription prices... then again, that hasn't slowed down adobe
imo the upcoming audacity 4 is an incredible example of open-source ui redesign, and should be an inspiration to everyone. the ui is sleeker, faster, easier to use, and yet it's still familiar to existing users! but you can do good stuff without
... show moreit works for you because you got accustomed to it. cool! genuinely! but not everyone is a power user, not everyone will want to sift through documentation to find out how to do the thing they want that's easy to do with word
from the non-techy people i've spoken to who've used libreoffice, they all agree that it's worse than ms office because it gets in the way more. it's harder to do stuff, because it's less intuitive to them.
people in 3d modeling use blender. people in audio production use audacity. people in office work and schools, usually, do not use libreoffice, because if you can afford ms office it's just better for them. maybe that will change with office now being ai-infested webviews held together with gum, javascript and ever increasing subscription prices... then again, that hasn't slowed down adobe
imo the upcoming audacity 4 is an incredible example of open-source ui redesign, and should be an inspiration to everyone. the ui is sleeker, faster, easier to use, and yet it's still familiar to existing users! but you can do good stuff without recreating the whole ui from scratch like they did, of course
AtariDump
in reply to Darkenfolk • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Darkenfolk • • •Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Ardens • • •I'll give you an example since you clearly don't understand heuristics.
Look how OnlyOffice highlights selected buttons with a light gray tint.
LibreOffice on the other hand highlights them with very strong blue color, which draws the users attention and distracts them from the document.
There are many more very bad design choices that LibreOffice makes, but it's just a cluttered mess in general and can really put in some work to hide away all those buttons. Yes if you know where they are and use them every single day then it's more efficient, but it takes up a lot of (mind) space to see all those buttons all the time.
Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Oh, so in a colorful toolbar, you are distracted by a single color? Sounds like an ADHD issue, and not a real world one. I have never seen or heard anyone but you say (Oh, I really can't work with this, I'm soooo distracted by the light blueish color that is behind the selected option)...
Here's a pro tip. You can change the color of the selected option in you menu. You can even chose different themes that changes that. I'm sorry to hear, that this is a dealbreaker for you. I surely hope that you'll stay away from LO or other free software, because you are too fragile to use them anyways.
geneva_convenience
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •It seems like a you problem, that you can't function in an app that highlights the current chosen option with a light bluish color. 🙃
Oh, BTW, I know a lot of people using LO, that hasn't got perfect vision. They would not be able to navigate in a toolbar where there only is a slight shift in the light of a color. It's perfectly good UI design to make it the way LO does...
Fushuan [he/him]
in reply to Ardens • • •There's clearly plenty people in this very post complaining about the UI/UX of LO as being bad. You can have anecdotal examples of people liking it but I bet most of the ones that don't also have more examples.
Of course that it's a us problem. Problem is, us is the huge majority, and if the huge majority thinks that the UI is bad, it kinda is...
Ardens
in reply to Fushuan [he/him] • • •Do you know the difference for something being bad, and something being rudimentary? Show me an UI/UX that doesn't have a lot of people complaing about something?!?
Oh, are you the spokesperson for "the huge majority"? Please show me where that was decided... Talk for yourself, don't try to claim the right to speak for others.
geneva_convenience
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Fushuan [he/him]
in reply to Ardens • • •It kinda doesn't? The first time you open a file (because let's be honest we don't open the program itself usually) 4 popups show up,, which you close because you want to see the damn file, and then the UI change is all gone.
Having the user click some buttons from popups on the first launch to enable the good UI is bad UX. Simple as.
Ardens
in reply to Fushuan [he/him] • • •Darkenfolk
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •They are comparable. Three bars with icons, normally you don't have that vertical window on the right.
It looks dated for sure, but it's not that cluttered.
☂️-
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to ☂️- • • •I never tried looking into UI options, I use just OnlyOffice nowadays but LibreOffice should consider turning that on by default if it's an option.
OnlyOffice also has a 10/10 screen when you open it, instantly asking whether you want to open a text document, PDF, make a slideshow etc. It's just very polished and they actually put effort into the UI.
☂️-
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •it usually asks you the first time you run it, but people sometimes gloss over it because they are just used to closing nag screens.
yeah, libreoffice is sufficient but it could very much use some polish. i hope this news means we get an improvement.
geneva_convenience
in reply to ☂️- • • •I don't think LibreOffice is 'bad' either, the functionality is great and the foss license is superior to Onlyoffice
But when I compare it to Word and OnlyOffice (especially OnlyOffice since it's free and open source) it lacks that polish and good default settings.
Not everything has to be to be VIM, good defaults are very important especially for novice users. And OnlyOffice has understood that very well.
I would like for LibreOffice to succeed. Therefore I hope they take some design cues from OnlyOffice or have a good UI developer even come up with something better. Basically I hope the guy in the post is going to town and heavily modernizes the current default LibreOffice layout.
geneva_convenience
in reply to freeman • • •Ardens
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •habs
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to habs • • •jsqribe
in reply to Ardens • • •Imo OpenOffice is much friendlier to use than libre office. I would never recommend libre in the state it's currently in.
Waiting to see what Collabora ends up looking like as the only real viable alternative.
Ardens
in reply to jsqribe • • •warmaster
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Agreed, if you grew using another program, switching is hard unless it's UX/UI is superb.
When I ditched Adobe, Inkscape was a breeze. GIMP is hard AF and Krita a bit easier but it doesn't have the features I need. I ended up using Photopea, and now I've tried Affinity and it's the best Photoshop alternative I've tried yet.
Collabora is looking pretty good so far. Still a few rough edges but easier than any other FOSS office software.
ghost_towels
in reply to warmaster • • •warmaster
in reply to ghost_towels • • •Wait, what?
Edit: I've only found this and if this site were to be trusted, I would take it with a grain of salt.
techcentral.co.za/affinity-for…
Affinity for Linux? Canva's next big move could reshape the desktop software market
Duncan McLeod (TechCentral)jol
in reply to warmaster • • •VoxAliorum
in reply to jol • • •Ardens
in reply to VoxAliorum • • •VoxAliorum
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to VoxAliorum • • •I'm quite serious. That's why I wrote "seriously".
I guess I hit a nerve, since you didn't tell me how you can not find stuff...
unwarlikeExtortion
in reply to Ardens • • •They have a point.
I'm kind of the other way around:
I'm used to Inkscape since forever. I'm no graphics design expert, but do know my way around Inkscape for simple SVG editing, mostly stuff shamelessly taken off Wikimedia.
Way back in college, I enrolled in an elective "graphic design" course. Of course, being a course, they used Illustrator.
That thing works nothing like Inkscape. It was a long time ago, but I remember being baffled by it, to the point of being unable of doing basic stuff.
To be fair, I had no need for learning Illustrator and no wish to do it either, so I quit the course while I still could and exchanged it. I just felt like i'd be losing my nerves on switching, when I had better stuff to do than becoming dependant on Adobe and losing my minf in the process.
Both programs may indeed sport menus in the same spots, but the menus aren't the same. They may look like the same thing, but they're really not.
It's kind of like a bus and a train. Illustrator (the bus) sports all the nice stuff (i assume) from other Adobe stuff.
... show moreThey have a point.
I'm kind of the other way around:
I'm used to Inkscape since forever. I'm no graphics design expert, but do know my way around Inkscape for simple SVG editing, mostly stuff shamelessly taken off Wikimedia.
Way back in college, I enrolled in an elective "graphic design" course. Of course, being a course, they used Illustrator.
That thing works nothing like Inkscape. It was a long time ago, but I remember being baffled by it, to the point of being unable of doing basic stuff.
To be fair, I had no need for learning Illustrator and no wish to do it either, so I quit the course while I still could and exchanged it. I just felt like i'd be losing my nerves on switching, when I had better stuff to do than becoming dependant on Adobe and losing my minf in the process.
Both programs may indeed sport menus in the same spots, but the menus aren't the same. They may look like the same thing, but they're really not.
It's kind of like a bus and a train. Illustrator (the bus) sports all the nice stuff (i assume) from other Adobe stuff. Just like a bus uses the same road like cars do, with the same signalization.
Inkscape is more like the train. It does things differently from say Krita or Gimp, but it also does other stuff than either Krita or Gimp. Which (dare I say) makes it more effective at what it's meant to do.
Ardens
in reply to unwarlikeExtortion • • •Nothing like illustrator? Seriously? They have tools named the same, doing the same thing. Maybe some shortcuts are different, but if you really are that set in your ways, you can go change it in Inkscape. You can even go into the settings (named settings, under edit, like in almost every other app) and set the shortcuts to Adobe Illustrator (or a number of other apps), and then you have the same shortcuts in Inkscape.
Please be concrete here. Tell me exactly a menu item that does something fundamentally different in Inkscape, than it does in Illustrator?
Do you really need the exact same menus with the exact same options in each app? If so, then you are basically saying that you want the same program, and then this talk is rather pointless...
You do know the difference from vector graphics and bitmap, right?
unwarlikeExtortion
in reply to Ardens • • •I know I write essays which is a weak point of mine. One I should address, but I see the gist of my message didn't get to you.
For one I use (and like) Inkscape and have strong negative feelings towards Adobe (and run Linux). Just like most of the folks here. That, however, should be pretty clear-cut from my original message.
VoxAliorum
in reply to Ardens • • •Da Oeuf
in reply to warmaster • • •GIMP is well worth getting used to, especially now we are post 3.0 with a proper non-destructive workflow for filters/effects. I had always found it confusing to learn, having the Photoshop UI fossilised into my neural pathways, but what unlocked it for me was following an online GIMP course for 2/3 hours, which amounted to far less time than I had formerly spent cracking photoshop or working to pay for it.
Some great plugins are coming out now too. The Batcher plugin in particular makes GIMP (and GMIC by extension) extremely powerful for automation.
Good times.
sobchak
in reply to warmaster • • •Da Oeuf
in reply to sobchak • • •YMMV but I've found the GIMP UI to be pretty much on a par with photoshop after having learnt the UI and learnt/modified the keyboard shortcuts. Some things are in fact better in GIMP, like panning and zooming. I've transitioned to GIMP on my own hardware but still use photoshop at a workplace.
If photoshop was open source then I think there would be a conversation to be had but I wouldn't pay for it now that I'm used to GIMP.
HiddenLayer555
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Boo. It's one of the last GUI software without user infantilization syndrome. Go use Google Docs if you want your software to coddle you.
I swear if LibreOffice starts talking to me like I'm a child like MS Office does or starts having animations that actively slow me down and spike my CPU usage just to open a menu or something.
Also, I've noticed a pretty strong correlation between "modern UX" and instability in office software. I don't think I've ever had LibreOffice crash on me, the last major UX revision of MS Office definitely crashed more often than LibreOffice, and the latest version of MS Office crashes at least once every time I have to use it taking my unsaved work with it even with autosave on. I don't know what "experience" they're aiming for but not crashing and causing data loss should probably be prioritized over making it look pretty.
Joël de Bruijn
in reply to HiddenLayer555 • • •Maybe the "you never get a second chance for a first impression" is indeed unfair but it is hurdle for adoption.
In my case my motivation to keep using and trying LibreOffice is driven by the hate for MS and not by the love for LO.
For example: I went through some eye surgeries and really needed a dark mode. But I couldnt get a dark mode in which buttons still were cleary visible. Icons not showing well and hard to tell what they were for. Meaning I kept hoping the tooltips showed something usefull. But "reading" icons is a bit strange ....
I am sure if I search forums, git issues and documentation something usefull will turn up.
And maybe its infantile like you said but I sure like contextual filled menubars since PaintshopPro in 2005. So whats with the empty menus showing a handfull buttons and everything else in some cornermenu? Seems like a waste of screen real estate.
As for dataloss: sure my data wasnt lost but loading and pivoting a 90k row data table made Calc freeze and only restarted after killing it. 90k is not for everyone but it sure isnt a lot either in spreadsheet land.
Zombie
in reply to Joël de Bruijn • • •Ask and ye shall receive:
ask.libreoffice.org/t/issues-w…
Issues with LibreOffice Icons on Dark Mode in Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon
Ask LibreOfficeElectricarrot
in reply to Zombie • • •axh
in reply to HiddenLayer555 • • •VerilyFemme
in reply to axh • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to HiddenLayer555 • • •axh
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Da Oeuf
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •IndieGoblin
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Please keep this man away from ui/ux. Nerds designing UI is how libre office got in this mess in the first place.
Fedditor385
in reply to IndieGoblin • • •He is not designing the UI, he will be implementing it.
The UI and UX will stay bad as it is, just on a modern technology stack.
Galactose
in reply to IndieGoblin • • •Nerds are the reason computers even exist. Maybe you need to leave the internet You muscle-brained jock. Go take your protein-shake.
More importantly who are your low-IQ monkey friends that gave you likes ?
IndieGoblin
in reply to Galactose • • •hoppolito
in reply to IndieGoblin • • •Galactose
in reply to hoppolito • • •IndieGoblin
in reply to hoppolito • • •CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Why do people keep saying "UI/UX"?
UI is user interface.
UX is user experience.
One is to be developed (with code), and the other is to be designed (in Figma for instance). They have very little overlap!
iglou
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •Fushuan [he/him]
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •iglou
in reply to Fushuan [he/him] • • •Fushuan [he/him]
in reply to iglou • • •Uuuuhhh... Semantics. Preloading is an optimisation technique and animations I would consider part of the interface, not the experience. You design an experience with animations on the interface.
It's whatever, I don't have a strong opinion on it so if you feel like my interpretation is wrong go at it, not gonna defend it.
Kajika
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •UX is also about code : think about behavior, you may want to prevent any action before one is finished. This is UX and need to be coded.
An other example : I hate how kde's file explorer "dolphin" freezes completely while loading a remote storage. There is no change to be made as UI but a big one to do for the UX.
CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to Kajika • • •All you executives letting the developer do the designer's job to cost saving is why we end users often get bad user experience in the first place.
Before you guys down vote on me or make more comments like this, know that there are lots of full-time user experience designers out there, who don't know anything about programming. They don't get paid for doing nothing.
Kajika
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •You're venting your anger on the wrong target mate. I am a developer with no diploma, never have been in any managing role (so not higher either) and always refuse to participate in any big evil corp (so say goodbye to high salary).
Other than this I am contributing to different FOSS project and specifically more interested in GPL than business-oriented MIT.
I don't need nor feel like downvoting you, you are totally missing the spot : the majority of my work was done be a team of 1, me, and sometimes up to 5, I have worked with designer here and there and it was so much better for me who interact way differently than 99% of the people (emacs user here).
In general don't think any executives would waste their time on Lemmy, they're busy enough with their Nazi Twitter.
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in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •FYI: You can use the new Collabora Desktop Version of LibreOffice with a streamlined interface if you want.
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Collabora Online now available on Desktop - Collabora Online and Collabora Office
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