What to know about the jury trials of Meta, Snap, TikTok and YouTube
What to know about the jury trials of Meta, Snap, TikTok and YouTube
Hundreds of parents, teens and school districts have claimed social media is intentionally addictive and harmfulGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Which distro is closest to 'GUI/UX for everything, absolutely no CLI' approach like Windows or Mac + and just works (ie passes LTT Linux test)
I'm looking for a distro to contribute to finally make 'year of Linux desktop, to happen. For me, I see that as full UI/UX behaviour that behaves almost identical to Windows/Mac (eg no middle click to paste).
Which distro comes closest to it?
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back to distrohopping. I want a reliable OS (no rando ubuntu fork with no clear release/support schedule) with something else than Plasma or Gnome.
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Auster likes this.
I've used nix for roughly a year. Flakes is the way to go. It's the most simple cut and dry shit works distro aside from Linux mint but the caveat is you have to essentially learn how the nix config file works. You can install your configuration file on any machine, anytime, anywhere and it'll boot as your exact carbon copy. Its a great distro you can trust to maintain with two files entirely. Cake to remember and backup.
Downsides are keeping config file backed up often. And knowing that anything you want done has to go into config document. I can answer any questions. I'm busy so I can't type more.
I'm sure there are flakes that can do that, but I just use the config file, adding things as I find I need them. Flakes weren't really all that well documented when I first installed it so I never messed around with them. Out of box though, it was fairly decent for relatively simple needs. If I remember correctly, the graphical install could set you up with any of a half dozen different DEs out of the box.
One heads up. While NixOS is a Linux distribution, it is radically different design philosophy from every other Linux distribution I've ever used. In some ways better and far easier to setup and maintain, and sometimes, as headache inducing as Gentoo or Arch. Once you have it setup to your liking, though, it has proven incredibly solid and hard to break.
Here's a redacted copy of my configuration.nix file. I really need to clean it up, reorganize, and remove things I'm not using anymore, but it's what I'm running on my desktop. Basically hasn't changed since KDE6 came out something like a year ago. I think the last change I made after that was when I finally added flatpak support.
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Reliable OS: Debian is the standard, or try Fedora if you want to get the latest software features
Alternate DE’s: xubuntu is a classic and it’s fast. LXQT is also lightweight but not as modern feeling imo. Debian install disks should let you choose either of those DEs (or some others) when installing
Reliable, clear release/support schedule: Debian Stable
Unlike Fedora Spins, most upstream distros don't come with a DE pre-packaged, you choose it during the install process (or install a custom one from other sources post-install).
DEs currently offered by the Debian Installer include: Xfce, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, Lomiri, and of course Plasma and GNOME.
Not in the installer, but in the repository: Cinnamon, Budgie, Enlightenment, FVWM-Crystal, GNUstep/Window Maker, Sugar, "and possibly others" (according to the wiki).
You can also do what I do on my less-powerful laptops and just install a window-manager and associated utilities—just make sure to uncheck all DE options during install (you will be forced to use the console until you have a display server and window manager, tho). Right now I'm rocking i3 on my laptops; I would use Sway, but for some reason it's more resource intensive.
Other offerings in the repository include: Openbox, Fluxbox, Compiz, Awesome, dwm, Notion, and Wmii
My personal recs are i3 (and recommended packages), Xfce, or MATE. I've used and liked all 3. I still use GNOME for my desktop, but those 3 are what I go with otherwise.
Have you tried COSMIC yet? Maybe PopOS is worth a shot.
Some packages are a bit old at the moment but they have a release coming in April / May that will bring them right up to date.
Perhaps LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is worth a look as well.
Both options are similar in that they take a very stable distro base and layer on a quite up-to-date desktop.
They also feature clear direction and a predicable release schedule.
Arlene Dickinson and Amber Mac cut ties with Canadian social media startup Gander Social
Alternate link: archive.is/20260131002226/theg…
Some excerpts:
Canadian media personalities Arlene Dickinson and Amber MacArthur were drawn last year to back an Ottawa startup called Gander Social Inc. that had a unique mission: To create a social network by and for Canadians.At a time when social media platforms were being accused of aiding the spread of misinformation and hate, and selling user data without consent, Gander chief executive Ben Waldman promised something different. Built on the same open-source protocol as Bluesky, Gander, which is registered as a public benefit company in British Columbia, would ensure its moderation rules adhered to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, give users control over their experience, and keep their data in Canada.
Last June, Ms. Dickinson, a venture capitalist who stars on Dragons’ Den, told The Globe and Mail she was “both an investor and adviser,” drawn to a “timely, smart opportunity” that “has the value of Canadians.” Ms. MacArthur, host of The AmberMac Show on SiriusXM, wanted to support a company committed to online safety that was “better for Canadians.” She told The Globe she was “in the middle of getting the information and signing the documents” to invest. “Some of the details are still getting figured out.”
They never were. On Thursday, the pair announced on social media they were cutting all ties to Gander. Not only did they never sign advisory agreements, they also never invested, despite what Ms. Dickinson had said. In one post Thursday, Ms. Dickinson said she had been “in late stage discussions about an advisory role and a potential investment, which is why I spoke about it publicly. It became clear that my involvement was being treated as an endorsement more than a substantive advisory role.”
Ms. MacArthur interviewed Mr. Waldman on her show in January, telling listeners she’d been an adviser for months. On Thursday, she posted on Facebook: “We’ve had some disagreements on how things are being managed,” adding in a LinkedIn post: “I am pretty devastated that I’ve been left with no option but to leave” the advisory role. “I won’t back something that isn’t capable of meeting this need with total integrity and excellence.” Both wished Gander well.
Ms. Dickinson, Ms. MacArthur and Mr. Waldman told The Globe that after agreeing to invest in an earlier financing – called a “simple agreement for future equity, or SAFE – and join as advisers, delays ensued in formalizing both arrangements due to back-and-forth changes to the advisory deal’s terms and language. “It was dragging out, Ms. Dickinson said. “It was more busy-ness on both sides. I was late, he was late” but both intended to conclude the deal.
Ms. MacArthur and Ms. Dickinson had another concern. As advisers, they expected to view a prototype of the platform as it was being developed and to be involved in shaping how it would function and what protocols would govern it. “We kept asking for that,” Ms. Dickinson said, but to no avail.
Ms. MacArthur added: “Over the past few weeks it’s been pretty clear I wasn’t necessarily advising on anything because there was no product to look at. From my perspective, they have not been actively in touch with advisers along the way. That begs the question why you need advisers if you’re not getting them to advise.”
Without seeing the product, “it’s really hard to tell people they should continue to support and invest in this,” Ms. MacArthur said.
Arlene Dickinson and Amber Mac cut ties with Canadian social media startup Gander Social
Canadian broadcast stars quit after failing to reach terms on investment or advisory rolesSean Silcoff (The Globe and Mail)
Ms. MacArthur added: “Over the past few weeks it’s been pretty clear I wasn’t necessarily advising on anything because there was no product to look at. From my perspective, they have not been actively in touch with advisers along the way. That begs the question why you need advisers if you’re not getting them to advise.”Without seeing the product, “it’s really hard to tell people they should continue to support and invest in this,” Ms. MacArthur said.
Why in the hell would you think you had a right to see anything when you had failed to provide even 1 cent of funding????
Jfc. Rich people truly believe they should get everything for nothing.
I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t provide funding without seeing a business plan and a prototype.
In this case though, Fedican already provides a Canadian alternative, and all the structure is volunteered.
Aha, so that’s who was being referenced in their last email. For those interested that aren’t part of the newsletter group:
Hi friend,We wanted to send a brief update directly to our early supporters.
Over the last few days, there have been some changes to Gander’s group of Strategic Advisors, and we took some time to reflect and gather our thoughts before sharing them with you.
As part of our initial fundraising from May to September of last year, two prospective investors did not complete their advisor agreements or investments by the original deadline, or within an extended timeframe.
Our equity crowdfunding campaign went live in October, and we recently offered them the same terms that every other investor had received through the campaign. When an agreement couldn’t be reached, we parted ways.
We’re grateful for all the advice and support that every single one of our advisors, past and present, has provided to us along this journey. Our focus today is exactly where it’s always been: building Gander with, and for, the Canadians who have shown up, believed in it, and helped make it real.
Today, we have Gander in the hands of hundreds of people who are posting, connecting, and testing the app. That number will continue to increase every week until everyone reading this email has been invited.
As always, thank you for being part of this with us. We’ll keep showing up, building with community, and getting Gander into the hands of more Canadians.
With gratitude,
Ben & The Gander Team
The TV industry finally concedes that the future may not be in 8K
The TV industry finally concedes that the future may not be in 8K
With virtually no content and limited benefits, 8K TVs were doomed.Scharon Harding (Ars Technica)
They have many other enemies. But having an enemy is required for the ideology.
Any ideology that is enemy based, eventually leads to genocide.
The government has no problem handing out hundreds of billions to ICE and the Pentagon - there absolutely is enough.
"what's in it for us?
Ah, ok, you're one of those. Might want to change your username
We don't live in a world of abundance, abundance is a goal of humanity, were not there yet; and we don't get there by printing money out of thin air and handing it out.
The government has no problem handing out hundreds of billions to ICE and the Pentagon - there absolutely is enough.
Billions of dollars is pennies compares what would be required to put the world on welfare, and those billions remove criminals and those preying on.l the generosity of our country.
Who's saying to "put the world on welfare"? This conversation isn't about getting things for free from the government, it's about who is able to enter the country. It is proven thus far that immigration into the US is a net benefit, they commit fewer crimes than citizens and earn their way.
Edit: "preying on the generosity of our country" is hilarious
The initial premis of the argument that I replied to was questioning why people who were born in the U.S. are entitled to something that those who are not born in the U.S. are not.
I'm all for net tax payers entering the U.S. through legal routes. Methods that protect the immigrant from exploitation from employers.
Thanks for clarifying.
Immigrating to the US legally in 2026 is a slow, restrictive, and broken process. Opening it up wouldn't be the end of the world.
I mean, I'm fairly liberal with immigration but I literally do not understand how it would even be possible to have completely open borders.
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
Open borders is more like 'Come to the window, take an application, open to anybody' and not 'Only for people with corporate sponsors (H-1B)' or 'Willing to work in terrible conditions for shit pay and abuse, then go back home (H-2B)' or 'Be Rich (EB-5)'
There is still control over entry, but anybody who can pass screening and meets minimum requirements (has money to support themselves or has a sponsor/job waiting) will be allowed entry and a path to citizenship.
We're a country of immigrants, it is hypocritical to attack the very system that is responsible for most of us being here.
Yes, a program like this wouldn't have unlimited funding and could be overloaded so there would have to be practical limits set.
Ideally, in a system with a working government, the usage/funding would be monitored to ensure that immigration is being handled safely and at levels where there are not multi-year wait time or lottery.
In my opinion, the goal is to create a system where we can screen for border security issues while not hampering people who want to come here, work and pay taxes. This same service should also provide immigrant services to help them with their relocation by providing education and information in order to ease the process.
Historically speaking passports and border controls have been the exception, not the rule.
The reason you can't conceive of it possibly working is you've only ever lived in a world where you need a passport to go somewhere.
The scenario of 100 million people suddenly arriving is FUD. Apart from not being likely even on purely logistical grounds, the questions you're asking are ones that are eminently answerable: Where do they live? In houses that they build. Where would their children go to school? At schools that they build and staff. It's from the same fearmongering stable as "theytookerrrjaawwwbs".
You know border control and passports were never a thing not long ago right and it was never an issue?
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
When large enough number of people immigrate they start building new communities or expand existing ones and with the increase of human resources and demand new houses, infrastructure, and cities get built providing more jobs, money, and services. It's how America was built after all.
If the development rate can't keep up with the immigration rate then there would be less jobs and less services which makes prospect immigrants either find better opportunities at home or look for a different destination.
The only case where this rule wouldn't apply would be with refugees whether it's war or natural disasters. And even then after a few years they seem to mostly integrate well with society and the economy.
There are countries with 100 million people. This means the percentage of construction workers, teachers, and real estate agents from 100 million people would be enough to build enough housing for 100 million people.
Also aren't virtually all roads, schools, and houses built by immigrants currently? More coming means we can build more. Hell, imagine we paid them enough to open their own universities and construction companies.
Infrastructure isn't tied directly to labour available.
There needs to be enough time to construct, enough money to invest, enough space to have proper city layouts etc.
You can't just build a water treatment plant anywhere.
You also can only build housing and schools and hospitals so fast, an extra 100 million people in America in less than ten years would mean and extra 25% or everything needing to be built in less than ten years.
At the moment government doesn't fund construction of housing, so that's an entire system that needs to put in place before letting everyone in.
Plus a bunch of other issues that I can't even think about I imagine.
You can't envision it because you live in a country that is currently incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure and providing the most bare minimum housing for its populace, much less expanding it.
That's not true for elsewhere in the world, nor is it true historically.
10 million dedicated laborers (10%) is an insane amount of manpower.
When Germany reunified about 2 million people (about 10% of the population) moved west. This is for a situation where they spoke the same language, had mostly the same shared traditions and culture , visiting family was a short car ride away and West Germany offered all the social services and workers rights one expects.
In what world would 100 million people abandon their whole lives to move to the US where they might not speak the language or understand the culture, to get bankrupt by a cold, having your kids killed in schools and working 51 weeks of the year?
Canada had an annual immigration rate of 1.4 million per year and the population is 40 million and that's still with a limited non-open door policy, and it was way too much which Canada realized and started to restrict it, which would be the equivalent of America bringing in 14 million a year.
I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if 100 mil wanted to immigrate to America over ten years if there was an open door policy.
I would love reform. Any changes that get smart productive people into the U.S. would only help us.
At the same time dont you feel it harms foreign countries? We're literally brain draining other countries keeping them in poverty or preventing them from developing.
we don't live in a world of abundance
literally all studies about this make you wrong
I understand what you're saying about immigration, but that holds less true with respect to war forcing people to move.
So?
I was more pointing towards the suggestion that market forces kept everything in check, which, no, they don't. The market does not magically stay afloat without intervention. Production is not just regulated by market forces.
But most importantly, countries have capacities. America, for example, can hold many more people than it is, comfortably. But if you have a place that's smaller, like Britain or sweden, free border immigration will result in strains in both the cultural and infrastructure situation in the countries at hand as they rapidly grow beyond present capacity, which they will if free immigration is allowed.
Excess workers willing to work for lower pay can also drive wages down, and allow companies to exploit workers more easily(often regardless of the actual law).
I'm generally in favor of reasonably lax immigration policies, but free border immigration is not a good idea. People need time to adjust to the culture of where they're going, and you don't want to overload that
iterally all studies about this make you wrong
You misunderstand, we live in a world that's capable of abundance. Go tell people in Nigeria that they have a world of abundance and see how they react; because they do not have an abundance of anything.
That's some weaselly circular definition you're engaging in there.
Your use of the word "just" implies that having people called "citizens" is inherently and self-evidently better than having people called "inhabitants"; which you're then plugging into a proof-by-definition to paper over the fact that you haven't actually made any kind of case for why it's better.
wat.
I'm struggling to fathom the purpose of this non-question.
Too many possibilities, too many directions one could take a response to that [including [perhaps wiser] none].
What safer than ability to remove oneself from danger instantly? Seems self-evident what I "feel" about safe spaces. So, I'm still (and all the more) stumped by the purpose of this line that starts like a question, but then lacks a question mark, hinting some kind of rhetoric implied, yet what it appears digging for is already on the surface... so...
wat.
It's much harder to get citizenship in most EU countries than it is to get citizenship in the USA. Until Trump, it was also easier to get into the US on a visa than to get into Europe on a visa.
I think I've seen border checkpoints while driving between EU countries, but it was hard to tell because they hadn't been in operation for decades. But, there's still a vague sense of a border. It seems like the countries maintain that area enough so that if ever they had to put the border control points back into operation it could be done. So, you can sort of tell that you crossed a border, even if you don't have to slow down at all.
I seem to remember that the USA was part of the model when the EU was being designed. That doing business between EU member states was supposed to be as easy as doing business state-to-state in the USA. It isn't quite there yet. But, the USA has been working at reducing state-to-state friction for nearly 2 centuries, whereas the EU has only had decades.
that would be arguing that i am speaking as if everybody's needs have been met NOW
But that's exactly what a world of abundance means.
Having an over abundance in one part of the world and scarcity in another isn't a world of abundance.
I thought it was self evident how it was better; an inhabitant is a person living in a place. A citizen is a person living in a place, recognized by said place, who lives under a social contract with said place, giving up certain rights in exchange for receiving other rights.
It's kind of like a restaurant. Is it an advantage to the restaurant that people can enter and sit down with no intention of doing business with the restaurant? Or is it better that those who enter do so with the understanding that they will abide by the restaurants rules, and order food?
Having an over abundance in one part pf the world and scarcity in another isn't a world of abundance.
You're so close to realizing wherever humans settled had enough to sustain civilization. It's the plundering, wars, genocides, privatization of national respurces that cause the scarcity.
You must be unaware of:
- Remittances, a big part of the economy of some countries
- The whole fucking EU
wherever humans settled had enough to sustain
You do understand that "had" is past tense, meaning that we do not currently have it, right?
Remittances, a big part of the economy of some countries
Do remittances outweigh the benefit of having your own productive, successful upper class? Do remittances give you doctors to support your population and engineers to build your infrastructure?
The whole fucking EU
Is a union due to the similarity of the members, there is no Nigeria level member country of the EU. The poorest nation in the EU is Hungary/Bulagria that is at 60-70% of the average EU income.
If Nigeria was a member it would be around the 20% level with next to nothing to offer to the agreement. Everyone that coupe afford to, would immediately move our of Nigeria and bring next to nothing to wherever they moved.
The United States and Canada could absolutely have such an agreement with a similar level of benefit. The United States and Argentina could not.
Fearmongerers be like...
Trafficked women and children be like… HELPDrug couriers be like… THANKS
Terrorists be like…EASY
Person A - I don't think cars should have breaks or seat belts.
Person B - I think that's a bad idea for these reasons.
You...
Fearmongerers be like...
In reality, a foreign patron walks in, makes an order, and then you shoot them in the face.
You guys don’t care if they came here legally. You don’t care if they are refugees who only want to be back home. You don’t care if they are true asylum seekers. You don’t care if they follow every letter of the law.
You yell “don’t take my share!” Buddy, they didn’t take your share. The classes above you are laughing at your gullibility.
Your words are hollow.
You guys don’t care
How many guys named Abundance are you talking to right now? Are they in the room with us right now?
It's really and conversational etiquette to make assumptions about what I believe in when you could just ask.
why do you think that is?
That's a deep hole and I don't know if you'll appreciate it's darkness.
Because no one wants to leave their family and entire home behind just to move to a wealthy country to live on the street as a homeless person. We will only ever attract as many immigrants as there are jobs to support them.
At least up here in northern Europe that is sadly not true. I'm not claiming immigrants come here seeking free welfare (some probably do but there's always people like that everywhere); but there's plenty of people being actively lied to in their own countries, and sold this idea that you can just go up north and get a job and send money to your family etc. get a better life! So they gather all the money they have and give it to these liars, who then traffic them into EU and up here.
There's barely any jobs in my country you can get without speaking the native language (which is difficult to learn and useless outside our 5mil population), and at this moment we even have massive unemployment crisis so there's no jobs even for the natives. Still people are sold lies and come here, then get stuck trying to scrap any money they can, and get taken advantage of and have to live in poverty. Some even have big loans on them, they took to just get here. All in vain
Hmm, maybe you have a point. Oh wait, I know of something that would help reduce those harmful effects!
Open borders
Many state communists oppose open borders. The USSR, China, and Cuba all had/have citizenship privileges and controlled migration, and generally people that support those governments are also called "leftist".
The same goes for many social democrats and socialist reformists. Even unionists often oppose migration because migrants are imported by the capitalist order to use as scabs (see "guest workers" in 1970s West Germany).
All basically want a walled garden in which leftist ways of living can flourish, usually with the idea to export them later.
But especially in activist and discourse spaces, people tend to be in a pretty narrow band from pop liberalism to anarchocommunism. Socialists, socdems, and unionists tend to be busy with their job, because that is what their praxis calls for. And state communists tend to walk away exasperated when people condemn genocide.
But anarchocommunist praxis is for a large part prefigurative sharing of information, ideas, and tentative structures. So we're relatively loud and as unemployed as we can get away with.
Yes, Open borders is the desirable outcome. The fact that people were saying they don't want open borders shows they're a lib and therefore not a real leftist.
It is not immigrants who are the cause of any problems in America, it is the right-fascists and oligarchs who shit this garbage out their mouths.
The counter to right-wing extremism isn't right-wing liberalism, it is real leftism, the thing they are trying to dismiss.
Watch this video. Market inefficiency will have people freezing to death in the streets, unable to afford travelling to a place with work, unable even to afford accurate information on where to find work. Many turned to crime to survive.
In Tudor England's case, they "solved" this by kidnapping people ICE-style and deporting them to the colonies as indentured servants or putting them in for-profit prisons.
Open borders are good, but you need to be anarchocommunist about it. People need to base their migration patterns on accurate information, which means information given as mutual aid rather than for profit or for manipulation (e.g. if people constantly say "we have no space" when they have space, people learn that "we have no space" means "we probably have space", so if there is no space you get disaster).
It also needs to be mutual aid when people are there. Expecting people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to slot into the economy of a foreign culture is "leaving money on the table". It's much more economically productive to get people everything they need to be comfortable so they can instead spend their labor on efficient tasks they are specialized in (which then help other get what they need faster in the positive sum game we call society).
My guy. Open borders go one way, from the poor countries into the rich countries. The poor country opening it's border does nothing.
Next to no one is fleeing to Mexico for economic opportunity.
Well, first of all, seems like someone else's goal posts have been moved, trying to slip in a conflation of intrinsic and inherent. These are not the same thing. Leaving the "It's natural" appeal to nature fallacy aside, if it's inherent, then that in no way contradicts what I've offered.
"Micro border"... likewise, seems to be shifting language to contrive reality to fit an already held belief.
* Like psychological boundaries of principle where one intently shall not bring themselves to cross regardless of provocation?
* And shared among like-minded with similar experiences?
* That kind of safe space?
* Is that for which you've coined the term "micro border"?
Sounds like conjuring micronations from like-minds and shared-experiences, and even, I dare say, groupthink [(precursor to mass formation, and totalitarianising psyche, in which no one is safe, from each other, in the hyper-rational (irrational) desperate social dominance demand for social conformity more equal than others, where any and all atrocities are seen as necessary virtues, ever worsening as each try to prove themselves more devout to the group, to save themselves from the group)]. Yeah, that could become problematic, and a self fulfilling prophecy succumbing to the classic first failure of game theory, the tragedy of the commons, where having it aggravates the reason for having it, causing a feedback loop. It's kinda like outsourcing your circular reasoning, cajoling others to be complicit in it, and then likely even blaming them, othering them. Those dirty outsiders, look at them, disrespecting our micro-bordered safe space. Hehe.
In some sense, this can be seen as an energy control drama^1^, perhaps starting with some "aloof" mixed in with the (at least) "poor-me", perhaps even escalating through "interrogator" to "intimidator", to preserve what, initially, may have had good intentions, but becomes a separation that leads to destruction.
... I forget who that's attributed to ~ "separation is the path to destruction"... Siddhartha Gautama? J Krishnamurti? Gandhi? A handy concept to have around to consider and measure against. Always more, in "the longer now"^2^.
Should they be allowed to do so and does that have any relevance to the larger discussion about borders?
First, tackling:
Should they be allowed to do so
Like needing permission? Like a binary, allow or disallow? Not sure that's a healthy way to tackle it. Sounds like the one tool in the toolbox is the ban-hammer, and every situation, to strike the situational nail, or to not strike the situational nail. Much more nuance, much more richness of growing cognisance and comprehension available in learning about things, rather than first reaching for allow/disallow.
and does that have any relevance to the larger discussion about borders?
For socio-societal-psychological explorations, sure, why not. Some relevance, in exploration, sure. But to wield that like it's the core root and same-same, nuh-uh.
I think it does.
I can see that it can. But not all. Leans more to mere academic exploration, than the direct substance itself. More side garnish tributaries than the core crux. May be helpful for broader [foundational and supporting] understanding, or may be used to contrive felling the main trunk.
I think people instinctively want borders to protect themselves from others who might mean them harm.
And what compels and propels activation of this instinct?
It’s natural and inherent to humans.
Yes... which sorts of circumstances inherit such?
- Inherent, from Latin inhaerere[/Inherens] ("to stick in"), e.g. like something imbued within from something prior.
- Intrinsic, from Latin intrinsecus ("on the inside"), emphasizing internal essence. Does not imply receipt. At least not intrinsically. ;)
(And yeah, I did poke a LLM [& Deepl] to help provide the etymology clarification there... I don't know Latin off the top of my head. Felt that needed done, since this is a very commonly shared conflation to false synonym, depriving us of an important distinction between intrinsic and inherent. Defy the Orwellian newspeak truncation of language! Harr!).
So beyond the appeal to nature fallacy, what's cooking us? n_n What's trying to bake-in these divide-and-conquer abusable traits? Because we can see situationally, it's not always so, and thus not ubiquitously appearing intrinsic. So what situations evoke it? Who's causing such? Who benefits?
^1^ ^2^ Heh, that's two references to The Celestine Philosophy there, I did not expect to make when I started writing this reply.
Having a sub class of folks who are not citizens is definitely a problem. We need immigration reform. Having illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less than minimum wage is definitely a problem.
Even Bernie has said as much.
With immigration reform we can set the path for these folks to get citizenship which will raise wages for everyone.
I have zero faith in congress’ ability to do this though.
ICE definitely needs to be abolished. Open borders is probably a bad starting point though… but I like that idea more than having ICE.
I understand and agree with your sentiment, but supermajorities of voters in dem repub and independent want criminal immigrants deported. That’s why so many independents went with Trump this go round. They don’t like just rounding up everyone for the purpose of achieving some record of deportations just for shits and giggles though.
Establishment dems were downplaying crime and immigration issues while establishment repubs and Trump were exaggerating them. Immigrant criminals and gangs and cartels are a real problem and people on the streets see it, especially immigrants in those same communities.
With immigration reform and doing things like giving daca and similar immigrants who have been here since they were babies a path to citizenship makes sense. And so does having refugee and asylum options, especially in places where US foreign policy has directly caused the hardships that have and are causing folks to flee their own country. That’s basically all of central and Latin American and the carribean and also countries in South America.
Our monkey brains are still fixed on tribalism and racism which makes us infight though, allowing the establishment politicians to pit us against each other while the uniparty continues to serve the corporate and donor class… and Israel.
Please point me to all of these supposed immigrant gangs. I'd love to read about it. All of the research data that I've seen points to immigrants committing violent crimes at a far lower rate than actual citizens of the U.S.
If you don't have actual data to back up your claims, you're just spouting misinformation at best, or intentional disinformation at worst.
Cartels are a different problem entirely. Those are drug gangs from other countries. So, in don't even know why you're bringing that up in the context of immigration.
I have zero faith in congress’ ability to do this though.
This is the crux of the problem. Nobody has faith in Congress' ability to do anything.
the root of these issues is not drugs and terrorists flowing into this country.
The root of my issue with it, is, and criminals, and net tax recipients. Youre going to put words into my mouth that it's because, as wpb said, the race of the people? Get out of here, you're the bad actor.
The US immigration "policy" is just as stupid as it is inhumane. At this point it's easier to imagine it being orchestrated by rivals that think long term, rather than being just from the ever-present conservative hate and ignorance.
Our economy is built with an infinite growth mindset, moreso than most. ALL developed nations are seeing population growth slow down and even reverse -- that's just what happens when populations get educated and wealthy.
So what are we doing? Violently kicking out tons of lower paid workers while also scaring away some of the most highly educated and specialized Ph.Ds.
But hey, at least we're consistent and also make conditions horrible for natural born citizens to raise USian children!
Because we're never going to have worldwide open borders. Humanity is going to off itself before then.
ALSO BECAUSE we're specifically talking about abolishing ice here, so... seems like a united states centered conversation. I'd put money on the united states having open borders before either china or the eu.
That's just like, openly, demonstrably false. Poor countries greatly benefit from having open borders to wealthier nations, as it removes barriers to bringing that wealth back into those poor countries. Closed borders only serve to keep rich countries rich, and poor countries poor.
Next to no one is fleeing to Mexico for economic opportunity.
You framing it as "fleeing"really drives home your biases. If there were an open border between the US and Mexico, we'd see two-way movement way more often, as it'd be way easier for Mexicans to come to the US seeking economic opportunity, build some wealth, then take that back across the open border to Mexico to their family/dependents/community. We see that pretty much everywhere there's an open border or some sort of economic cooperation zone.
You"re missing half the picture here. Zeros are such because legality is delirium. It's all about money and Earthbound showed it clearly it when you get done with Moonside.
Shit if you make to the explination of your dreams right before you bot out to beat your neighbor Pokey & G...
Have you ever crossed the Swiss border? That was an interesting one. Switzerland isn't in the EU but they're in a lot of bilateral agreements which means they mostly have an open border. But, that agreement is a lot less solid than the rest of the EU agreements.
It seems like the France / Belgium border could be turned back into a proper border control post within a few months. But, the Swiss / France border seems like it could be back in full force within a few days. Currently you can drive past it at nearly full highway speeds, but all the border control buildings are there, and the roads leading up to them are just ready for them to start diverting traffic again. I also seem to remember that it offered a last second chance to turn around and not cross the border, something you didn't get at say France / Germany. Probably because there actually is a meaningful difference in laws between the two sides, so there's a chance someone might decide not to do it.
if you use this often, you can add a keyword search (firefox-based browsers) or a custom site search (chromium-based) with this URL
https://icon-sets.iconify.design/?query=%25s(use %s after equals; some lemmy front-ends seem to be rendering it wrong)
and a shortcut e.g. icon
so everytime you enter e.g. icon person in a new tab, it'll run the search for you
Idealism
[yellow, shrugging]\
Anticapitalists are silly idealists\
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[yellow, crossing their arms]\
Communism can't work in real life\
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[yellow, pointing smugly at us]\
The theory behind socialism is broken\
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[yellow, looking wavy]\
Anarchism makes no sense at all\
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[yellow, smiling annoyingly in front of a huge wall of text]\
As opposed to my support for capitalism, which works because the market is free and open and has no state intervention, there are no monopolies or oligarchies, everyone has a perfect understanding of the things they consume, there are no patents and other government sanctioned ways to slow down competition, megacorps absolutely love supporting the free market, and billionaires get no say in political decisions. Prices also magically reflect real social costs, because pollution, burnout, and infrastructure decay are all naturally priced in. Labor markets are frictionless, so people can instantly quit abusive jobs and seamlessly transition into better ones without rent, visas, health insurance, or time being a factor. Infor mation asymmetry does not exist, advertising is purely informative and never manipulative, and planned obsolescence would be irrational because firms are driven by a deep moral commitment to long-term consumer welfare. Crises never happen, but when they do they are excellent learning opportunities that only affect those who made bad personal choices. Banks fail responsibly. Housing markets collapse politely. Of course, capital never concentrates, because returns definitely do not compound, network effects are a myth, and first-mover advantage is just something lazy people complain about. If someone becomes obscenely rich, it is merely a coincidence that they can now afford better lawyers, better lobbying, better media access, and better laws. This has no feedback effect whatsoever. Democracy also remains pristine, since money is famously speechless and campaign finance has no measurable impact on policy outcomes. Regulators are fearless, revolving doors are sealed shut, and every captured agency is just doing a long, ironic performance art piece. When the state intervenes, it is always against capitalism, never on its behalf, and certainly never to socialize losses after privatizing gains. And if any of this sounds unrealistic, that is only because capitalism has never really been tried properly, unlike all those other systems, which failed specifically because humans were involved. But why does this paragraph end with a mention of thebad.website ?
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That's adorable, don't worry about it though, these days if you do some art you have to learn to record the entire process of producing some of your pieces otherwise someone will always eventually think your work is AI generated… it's just part of life now, you sadly get used to it. AIvestigators need to take a moment to wonder "but from who did the AIs learn to draw?".
For me it's a smaller issue since a lot of my pieces are just silly stickmen, the only time it got really frustrating was when I had to prove to several board game editors I didn't use an AI to generate the art on a card game I illustrated in a very personal style…
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ARDE Shuts Down PL-15 Myths; Confirms Astra's 160-240 km Reach Through Indigenous Innovation
During the Operation Sindoor of Indian Military on Pakistan, a chinese PL-15 missile was reported to been shot by Pakistani Fighter Jet but did neither did it hit its target nor did it blast on impact, hence it was confiscated by India as it fell in Indian territory.
Since then, there have been claims that India has reverse engineered it to upgrade its existing Astra air-to-air missile system.
The claims have been shut down by Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE), a key pillar of India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), claiming that this is completely the result of Indigenous advancements and not some stolen tech. He emphasized that the work on extending range of Astra Mk-1 from 110Km to 160Km and Astra Mk-2 from 160Km to 240Km was on priority from the very start and denied any such claims of reverse engineering.
What do you think?
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ARDE Shuts Down PL-15 Myths; Confirms Astra's 160-240 km Reach Through Indigenous Innovation
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/42482294
During the Operation Sindoor of Indian Military on Pakistan, a chinese PL-15 missile was reported to been shot by Pakistani Fighter Jet but did neither did it hit its target nor did it blast on impact, hence it was confiscated by India as it fell in Indian territory.Since then, there have been claims that India has reverse engineered it to upgrade its existing Astra air-to-air missile system.
The claims have been shut down by Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE), a key pillar of India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), claiming that this is completely the result of Indigenous advancements and not some stolen tech. He emphasized that the work on extending range of Astra Mk-1 from 110Km to 160Km and Astra Mk-2 from 160Km to 240Km was on priority from the very start and denied any such claims of reverse engineering.
What do you think?
Join our community "BharatDefense" to support us. A humble request to all Indians and people who enjoy our content.Jai Hind
ARDE Shuts Down PL-15 Myths; Confirms Astra's 160-240 km Reach Through Indigenous Innovation
During the Operation Sindoor of Indian Military on Pakistan, a chinese PL-15 missile was reported to been shot by Pakistani Fighter Jet but did neither did it hit its target nor did it blast on impact, hence it was confiscated by India as it fell in Indian territory.Since then, there have been claims that India has reverse engineered it to upgrade its existing Astra air-to-air missile system.
The claims have been shut down by Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE), a key pillar of India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), claiming that this is completely the result of Indigenous advancements and not some stolen tech. He emphasized that the work on extending range of Astra Mk-1 from 110Km to 160Km and Astra Mk-2 from 160Km to 240Km was on priority from the very start and denied any such claims of reverse engineering.
What do you think?
Join our community "BharatDefense" to support us. A humble request to all Indians and people who enjoy our content.Jai Hind
ARDE Shuts Down PL-15 Myths; Confirms Astra's 160-240 km Reach Through Indigenous Innovation
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I don't get it.
Why are people who use email or something unable to operate a chatbot?
The meme is "giving a chatbot to an email user is like giving pedals to a paraplegic"
Why are email users comparable to paraplegics. What are they unable to do that everyone else can?
In a pedal wheelchair? Come on
This feels like clarifying with mud.
To quote a well known microblog meme:
No b*tch. Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.
Not all wheelchairs need pedals, like not all apps need AI.
Hey look naked ableism
You have some options. Be a mature adult, apologize, recognize that stuff like this is real mobility assistive and rehab tech, or go the lemmy mod and admin route, double down and throw a hissy fit. Up to you.
AI agents now have their own Reddit-style social network, and it's getting weird fast
Moltbook lets 32,000 AI bots trade jokes, tips, and complaints about humans.
'Reverse Solar Panel' Generates Electricity at Night
It produces only a little power, but its innovative approach could support hardware that operates during lengthy periods of total darkness, such as deep-space satellites.
https://www.extremetech.com/science/reverse-solar-panel-generates-electricity-at-night
YouTube seems to be blocking background video playback on Samsung Internet, Brave, and other browsers
Reports claim YouTube no longer plays in the background on Samsung Internet and Brave, breaking a popular screen-off audio workaround.
https://piunikaweb.com/2026/01/28/youtube-background-play-samsung-internet-brave/
What do you expect? Video hosting at scale is expensive and most instances aren't setup or financially equipped to handle videos larger than clips of a few seconds in length (if even that).
You occasionally see direct MP4 links there to catbox or imgur, but those don't always work universally or are slow or hugged to death. Recently I've noticed that a few users here utilize their own homelabs to host larger media uploads, and I like the thought of that. Those seem to just be private "repos" for them, though. I would NOT want to run something like catbox, open to everyone, on my own infrastructure. The thought of what I'd end up with gives me the heebie-jeebies. I don't know how catbox deals with problematic uploads, but that's far beyond my comfort zone.
Ok, so what about Invidious? Invidious links are just shittier and slower Youtube links because they're just proxying, so that's not really a solution. And I'd rather see a YT link posted than an Invidious link since my Lemmy client and/or browser plugin can rewrite YT links to my preferred Invidious server but can't do that for the infinite number of random Inv links in the wild. That then forces me to manually massage the URL to go to my preferred server or click through to the slow, overloaded server on the other side of the world with the original link. Yuck to both.
Wait, what was I talking about? lol
Oh, yeah. There's also the expectation that videos linked here should be universally accessible, so linking to a Netflix documentary or something on Paramount+ isn't really going to go over well.
There's just not that many open video platforms. Odysee is one (and I have support for it in Tesseract UI), but it's kind of sketchy. Vimeo isn't really an open/general purpose video platform but does have quality content if you can find it (Tess also supports embeds to there). However, Vimeo was recently acquired by a private equity firm and isn't doing great.
What's left?
Well, we have Loops. That's kind of niche in that it's for short-form videos but it has potential if that's your thing.
Peertube is also pretty great, but we're back to the "video hosting at scale is expensive" problem. I recently setup Peertube for my instance and have been trying to share links to that instead of to elsewhere, so I'm at least trying to address what the meme is saying. Lemmy.WTF also has a Peertube, I believe.
Did I miss anything?
Vimeo Lays Off 'Most' of Its Staff, Allegedly Includes 'the Entire Video Team'
Employees reported major job cuts this week, just months after the video hosting site was bought by Bending Spoons.Bruce Gil (Gizmodo)
Thanks for your write-up. But it's just a meme ;) I know there are a lot of troubles connected to video hosting. I find YouTube links annoying and almost never click them, but I know that's preference.
I use NewPipe btw
Heh, perhaps I did overthink it a bit lol.
I've just found that there are generally kernels of truth to most of what gets meme'd here, so I tend to subconsciously zero in on that.
I got tired of YouTube videos on Lemmy. It's always just copy pasted title of video and link to YouTube. I hated it
On Voyager app I added a blacklist on anything with YouTube in it and it cleared that problem up a lot. No countless YouTube ads from accounts that just post there YouTube videos for more views
Be the change you want to see!
Upload to peertube and link. And/or to fedi like lemmy/piefed directly.
Señor Mono
in reply to pathos • • •OhVenus_Baby
in reply to Señor Mono • • •I suggest LMDE not regular mint. Normal mint updates often and ocassionally with bugs while rare and mostly I see for gaming they do happen. Stability and reliability are king. So LMDE aka Linux mint debian edition. Its entirely the same as normal mint made by the same people but it's rock solid unlike Ubuntu version.
Sincerely I've used both to game and daily pc usage even work. LMDE no questions.
MagnificentSteiner
in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •OhVenus_Baby
in reply to MagnificentSteiner • • •Up to date mesa is in regular mint but only sort of. You have to manually go bleeding edge if you want by installing mesa drivers manually. Base Mint is a few versions behind on purpose, stability and I would say your kernel version makes a bigger difference in the end given how good mint is I recommend 6.14 kernel especially on fresh hardware, you can change your kernel version anytime in the update manager preferences, 6.8 is old but stable. 6.14 is newer, faster in gaming. Unless your on brand new, brand new released hardware this a non issue truly.
Most people will be fine with stock mint and you can't go wrong much with either. I game on stock mint full time! Windows only for BF6/dual boot. It's all I knew for several years was mint before going to NIXos and fedora and more.. My hardware is 7900xt 7600x. Full AMD on my rigs though I've built intel Nvidia.. I've built dozens of PCs/laptops/servers as I build and sell them. You honestly can't go wrong with either version but all I am saying is that if you hate bugs, updates ocassionally doing odd things especially to stea
... show moreUp to date mesa is in regular mint but only sort of. You have to manually go bleeding edge if you want by installing mesa drivers manually. Base Mint is a few versions behind on purpose, stability and I would say your kernel version makes a bigger difference in the end given how good mint is I recommend 6.14 kernel especially on fresh hardware, you can change your kernel version anytime in the update manager preferences, 6.8 is old but stable. 6.14 is newer, faster in gaming. Unless your on brand new, brand new released hardware this a non issue truly.
Most people will be fine with stock mint and you can't go wrong much with either. I game on stock mint full time! Windows only for BF6/dual boot. It's all I knew for several years was mint before going to NIXos and fedora and more.. My hardware is 7900xt 7600x. Full AMD on my rigs though I've built intel Nvidia.. I've built dozens of PCs/laptops/servers as I build and sell them. You honestly can't go wrong with either version but all I am saying is that if you hate bugs, updates ocassionally doing odd things especially to steam and proton. LMDE. I've been on mint for years this is just my 2 cents. I also value not fucking with my OS anymore I dislike command line memorization. I'm done tinkering and fixing shit all the time and prefer GUI or shit to just work ideally I'll trouble shoot for a few minutes then I stop, no more days tied up over dumb shit. With windows or Linux. LMDE is my choice. Best of luck.
MagnificentSteiner
in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •Yeah, there's a big difference to a beginner between adding a PPA in Mint (GUI) and all the fuckery of trying to get the latest Mesa in Debian (terminal with risk) even though both could technically be described as "manual".
Eugenia
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in reply to Señor Mono • • •verdigris
in reply to pathos • • •Getting hung up on feature parity with Windows and Mac is both a waste of time and literally impossible given the major differences between those two UIs. KDE already does most of that legwork anyway, and you can disable middle click paste easily.
IMO your time would be best spent making GUI tooling that doesn't already exist. Identify a pain point for you that forces you to the terminal and start there.
wltr
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in reply to verdigris • • •lofuw
in reply to pathos • • •The distro shouldn't matter too much, but the desktop environment will.
I recommend using KDE if you want something similar to Windows, and GNOME if you want something similar to macOS.
Using a GUI also isn't really dependent on the DE either for most programs. It's dependent on whether or not a GUI for it exists in the first place.
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TropicalDingdong
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in reply to TropicalDingdong • • •TropicalDingdong
in reply to ashx64 • • •Sure but they answer the question correctly, whereas alternatives don't.
It's not about what you prefer, it's about what meets the answer to their question most appropriately.
They are asking for a 100% gui/ui experience with not having to access the terminal.
The right answer to send someone to in that case with the ecosystem we have, is immutables. That what they are for.
ashx64
in reply to TropicalDingdong • • •They said GUI everything AND "just works". I was more so referring to the latter.
My point is that nothing "just works". With immutables, your system is less likely to break after updates, but introduce other headaches.
On a traditional distro, you can use pretty much any format. Traditional packages like deb/rpm, flatpak, snap, Nix, distrobox, etc.
That's not the case for immutables. Bazzite primarily uses flatpak, but (1) not all apps are available as flatpaks, (2) not all apps work well as flatpaks, like IDEs, (3) apps may have permission issues that require some know-how and tweaking to fix. Bazzite also comes with Homebrew and Distrobox, but (1) Homebrew doesn't have many GUI apps for Linux, (2) apps may not behave as expected in containers and don't integrate as well. Finally, as a final resort, there's layering but that (1) requires the terminal, (2) may not be allowed in the future as Universal Blue is going more bootc native without rpm-ostree support, (3) may not even run Fedora in the future if they like their "distroless" version more.
Quibblekrust
in reply to pathos • • •OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has a GUI for almost everything. It has a nice GUI for basic system config, and uses YaST2 for deeper settings, and it uses Discover for Flatpaks as well as system library updates.
Although, I have seen a couple people say Discover shouldn't be used for doing system updates because it can fail, and to only use it for Flatpak updates and installs. I dunno. But it's not like typing
sudo zypper dupto do a distro upgrade is hard, so I just do that out of an abundance of caution.OpenSUSE has some other cool features too, like having Snapper installed by default for system snapshots. It's pretty easy to roll back if an upgrade goes sideways. There's a boot entry that lets you open a previous snapshot as read-only and then you can make that snapshot permanent by creating a new top-level snapshot from it. So then you can at least use your computer while you try to figure out why the upgrade you did failed.
You'll probably want to use KDE as your desktop environment. It'll be somewhat familiar if you're use to Windows, and it has a lot o
... show moreOpenSUSE Tumbleweed has a GUI for almost everything. It has a nice GUI for basic system config, and uses YaST2 for deeper settings, and it uses Discover for Flatpaks as well as system library updates.
Although, I have seen a couple people say Discover shouldn't be used for doing system updates because it can fail, and to only use it for Flatpak updates and installs. I dunno. But it's not like typing
sudo zypper dupto do a distro upgrade is hard, so I just do that out of an abundance of caution.OpenSUSE has some other cool features too, like having Snapper installed by default for system snapshots. It's pretty easy to roll back if an upgrade goes sideways. There's a boot entry that lets you open a previous snapshot as read-only and then you can make that snapshot permanent by creating a new top-level snapshot from it. So then you can at least use your computer while you try to figure out why the upgrade you did failed.
You'll probably want to use KDE as your desktop environment. It'll be somewhat familiar if you're use to Windows, and it has a lot of features that make it comfortable to use.
There are lots of good YouTube videos on why OpenSUSE is pretty cool. Check some out.
talkingpumpkin
in reply to pathos • • •Is MacOs "absolutely no cli"? It wasn't when I was using it (admittedly, some 10yrs ago), except for the basic things (which any mainstream linux distro also provides).
What about Windows? Back in the day I would have paid to have a semi-decent CLI instead of being forced to use regedit (I hear regedit is still going strong, but I've not touched windows for an even longer period than MacOs)
_edge
in reply to talkingpumpkin • • •CeeBee_Eh
in reply to talkingpumpkin • • •Every Microsoft forum suggestion:
sfc /scannow
CodenameDarlen
in reply to pathos • • •Just give CLI a chance, once you get used to it, you'll notice CLI = FREEDOM.
In case of questions, always remember
command --help, the--helpflag after a specific command will show you the basic options and how to use it, learn to read it.If you need further assistance, always remember
man command.Install the
whatispackage in your distro, so you can usewhatis commandto get a short one line description about a given command.Most of Linux have GUI for everything you'll need in a every day usage, but once in a while you may need to accomplish something using CLI. This is different from Windows because Windows was never very friendly when it comes to Terminal, so people usually opt out for showing the GUI path instead of CLI path to fix things and get things working when needed.
You may not understand anything at first, it's fine, get used to it slowly, at least try it.
Cryxtalix
in reply to CodenameDarlen • • •Takapapatapaka
in reply to pathos • • •Although im not very tech savy and i've heard people say that it's not a very good option because they're based on stable but quite old versions of Linux, so i'm just putting the option out here, not saying it's the best
whiskers165
in reply to pathos • • •Been in and out of Linux since 2006.
Linux Mint with Cinnamon DE is the only distro I've ever used that worked flawlessly for everything without needing to use the terminal at all. It worked so well it was boring. It's the only distro I would recommend to a lay person
kyub
in reply to pathos • • •Kubuntu, Pop!OS and OpenSuSE are maybe also decent for that use case.
GaumBeist
in reply to pathos • • •You want Windows or Mac.
If you want a computer that you can do stuff like web-browsing, document/spreadsheet/pdf/slideshow editing/creation, gaming, or multimedia processing on, there are distros and utilities on Linux that make those more-or-less easy and beginner-friendly,
BUT it requires divesting oneself of the habits, behaviors, and paradigms of other operating systems and being willing to learn anew. Community-based Libre software is developed in an entirely different way for an entirely different purpose; because of that, it is nearly impossible to recreate the same software as for-profit proprietary software. One is made by a community hacking together a functional system that suits their needs, the other is made to generate revenue, and thus has to keep users dependent on it by trapping them in dark patterns and igorance of its workings.
If you just want "Mac or Windows, but free as in beer," suck it up, pay the devil his due, and buy one of th
... show moreYou want Windows or Mac.
If you want a computer that you can do stuff like web-browsing, document/spreadsheet/pdf/slideshow editing/creation, gaming, or multimedia processing on, there are distros and utilities on Linux that make those more-or-less easy and beginner-friendly,
BUT it requires divesting oneself of the habits, behaviors, and paradigms of other operating systems and being willing to learn anew. Community-based Libre software is developed in an entirely different way for an entirely different purpose; because of that, it is nearly impossible to recreate the same software as for-profit proprietary software. One is made by a community hacking together a functional system that suits their needs, the other is made to generate revenue, and thus has to keep users dependent on it by trapping them in dark patterns and igorance of its workings.
If you just want "Mac or Windows, but free as in beer," suck it up, pay the devil his due, and buy one of those OSes. Libre Software is an entirely different paradigm, and thus requires a whole paradigm shift before anyone will be happy with it; on-boarding people who aren't ready to divest themselves of the old paradigm just leads to disgruntled users who blame you for anything wrong with their PC, and creates a market void in the FOSS community ready to be filled by corpo proprietary slopware.
LeFantome
in reply to GaumBeist • • •GaumBeist
in reply to LeFantome • • •I daily drive Debian and it doesn't require CLI for anything other than troubleshooting the problems I caused myself. There has been one time in 5+ years where it booted to console because the maintainers made changes to the kernel that fucked up the legacy nvidia drivers, and it had a workaround of booting to a previous kernel until they fixed it within the week. For newbies that might be scary the first time it happens, but its an easy fix that still didn't require the CLI.
But nowhere did I say Linux required the terminal, I was addressing a different part of OP's question. I guess since it's such a prevalent myth, not denying it is tantamount to implicit agreement, so here's me denying it.
WellTheresYourCobbler [ey/em, they/them]
in reply to GaumBeist • • •doodoo_wizard
in reply to pathos • • •What kind of contributing?
If you mean actually adding code or packaging or testing or anything along those lines, you’re probably looking for gnome. They hate normal linux stuff like middle click paste.
If you mean contributing by using linux, just pick something and start. You’ll have a lot to learn no matter what so there’s no point wasting time trying to figure out what you’re gonna want and working towards that.
If you mean putting other people on linux, don’t do that. It will make them unhappy and cause you lots of stress and work. Find a way to keep them on the systems they’re familiar with, either by using the well documented windows 10 iot ltsc or the accessibility options in macos. People deserve to choose weather or not they switch operating systems and when those decisions are made for them it needs to be done by those who will be working with them every day.
It would be helpful if your example of behaving identical to macos or windows were more clear, since macos and windows behave wildly different from each
... show moreWhat kind of contributing?
If you mean actually adding code or packaging or testing or anything along those lines, you’re probably looking for gnome. They hate normal linux stuff like middle click paste.
If you mean contributing by using linux, just pick something and start. You’ll have a lot to learn no matter what so there’s no point wasting time trying to figure out what you’re gonna want and working towards that.
If you mean putting other people on linux, don’t do that. It will make them unhappy and cause you lots of stress and work. Find a way to keep them on the systems they’re familiar with, either by using the well documented windows 10 iot ltsc or the accessibility options in macos. People deserve to choose weather or not they switch operating systems and when those decisions are made for them it needs to be done by those who will be working with them every day.
It would be helpful if your example of behaving identical to macos or windows were more clear, since macos and windows behave wildly different from each other. It’s like saying you need a normal european car that works just like your 2500 Silverado or civic si.
Andrzej3K [none/use name]
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in reply to pathos • • •Jumuta
in reply to pathos • • •you'll become comfortable with the cli, it's seriously not hard.
all you need to know to start is:
- ls (list files)
- cd (change directory)
- nano (edit text file)
then you can branch out from there
jacfr0st
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in reply to Kilgore Trout • • •GaumBeist
in reply to pathos • • •I'm going to comment again, not to be an asshole, but because this is an entirelt separate stream of thoughts from my previous comment:
That's not a distro thing, it's a Desktop Environment thing. I personally use GNOME on my daily driver, but I've also used Xfce and MATE and gotten away with those. I'd say that GNOME is probably the most "idiot proof," which is why I use it, but YMMV.
Linux "requiring the CLI" hasn't been true for quite a few years now, it just has stuck around for a couple of reasons (imo):
If you tell Grandma that you installed Linux for her, the first
... show moreI'm going to comment again, not to be an asshole, but because this is an entirelt separate stream of thoughts from my previous comment:
That's not a distro thing, it's a Desktop Environment thing. I personally use GNOME on my daily driver, but I've also used Xfce and MATE and gotten away with those. I'd say that GNOME is probably the most "idiot proof," which is why I use it, but YMMV.
Linux "requiring the CLI" hasn't been true for quite a few years now, it just has stuck around for a couple of reasons (imo):
If you tell Grandma that you installed Linux for her, the first time she tries to figure it out herself, she's gonna search "how to change volume in Linux" on Google, and she's going to be bombarded with a thousand answers all saying something different, most telling her to install programs, and most telling her to use the command line. Because Linux is not an operating system, it's a family of dozens of operating systems that can each be configured thousands of different ways.
If you tell her "I installed Fedora," she's going to run into the same issue, but on a lesser scale. At least there's only a few hundred different ways on a per-distro basis.
If you tell her "I installed GNOME," she will look up "how to change volume in GNOME," and find her answer. But now you need to explain to her the difference between the three, and when to include that information in her searches, and she will ask "why could I just say 'how to X in Windows?' and didn't have to memorize 3 different names for the same thing that all give me different answers???"
And yes, your grandma will just call you to ask anyway, but what about when it's your friend trying to figure it out at 3 am and he can't get ahold of you?
Meanwhile, the terminal is (more or less) distro-/DE-agnostic. So their options are to learn more about how is Opperating System formed than they'll realistically ever need to know, or use the reviled terminal. Such is the plight of DIY OSes.
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in reply to thingsiplay • • •Many Windows administrative, automation, and remote management tasks require Command Prompt or PowerShell because they cannot be efficiently or practically executed via the GUI.
- Tasks that involve repetitive or bulk operations often require CMD or PowerShell. For example:
- Batch file automation using .bat scripts allows automated workflows like clearing temporary files, launching multiple apps, backing up directories, and switching system settings like dark/light mode
- Scheduled tasks and automatic scripts are better created with command-line scripts, providing repeatable precision versus manual GUI actions
- Accessing and manipulating Windows services: Use Get-Service and Stop-Service in PowerShell to check or stop services on local or remote machines
- Managing user accounts and permissions: Commands like net user or whoami /groups provide instant information on users or their groups, which may otherwise req
... show moreRenaming thousands of files simultaneously is impractical through File Explorer but can be done easily with Rename-Item in PowerShell
Many Windows administrative, automation, and remote management tasks require Command Prompt or PowerShell because they cannot be efficiently or practically executed via the GUI.
Renaming thousands of files simultaneously is impractical through File Explorer but can be done easily with Rename-Item in PowerShell
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in reply to thingsiplay • • •ian
in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •Sadly too many gatekeepers tell people considering Linux, they must use the command line. But I never use it. So that's clearly not true for normal users.
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in reply to onlinepersona • • •LTT - Linus Tech Tips YouTube channel tried out Linux, PopOS!. And there was a horrible outcome, where he tried to uninstall or install Steam and the dependencies would remove the entire desktop for whatever reason. Rendering the installation broken and unusable obviously. There was a big warning in the terminal, but he didn't read and ignored it and continued.
There was lot of debate, but ultimately it was fault from both sides: ignoring warning that explains what happens, and no safeguards from the distro so this bug should not make it unusable.
Lettuce eat lettuce
in reply to pathos • • •Linux Mint. Everything including full system version upgrades and GPU driver installations can be done via GUI.
The default look and feel is Windows-y, and the Mint team does a great job of pre-loading their distro with all the basic apps most people need, including a good printer app, scanner app, PDF viewer, media player, etc.
CeeBee_Eh
in reply to pathos • • •Linux is not Windows. Stop trying to make it work like Windows. Windows is crap and I don't want Linux to work like it.
Expecting Linux to work like Windows is how new people get frustrated. Have you heard anyone say that macOS needs to be like Windows to succeed? Of course not. So stop saying that about Linux.
Also, "no middle-click to paste" is astonishingly stupid, I've been using it hundreds of times per day for way over a decade now. It's one of the most useful and helpful features I've ever used.
Chais
in reply to CeeBee_Eh • • •glitching
in reply to pathos • • •I haven't kept up with that clown but if that's a reference to the time he attempted to switch, that was a top-gear-like slapstick show, consisting of making wrong turns at every fork and having outliers galore in the form of some hardware he and one other dude on the entire planet got. that show of his is infotainment, as in not a reliable source of information.
you go with the beginner-friendliest distro, with the widest distribution which is ubuntu. that ain't the distro I'm running, but it's something you need to go through to figure out how this shit runs. after you've been around the block a time or two and you start bumping your head at the ceiling, you'll have enough experience to switch to something better.
utopiah
in reply to pathos • • •lol, sorry but in what world do you live in? NONE of the OS "just works".
I'm sorry but this is such a trope. I watched someone using an up to date iOS phone. That thing is LOCKED down to no end, countless people claim that Apple are some kind of UX geniuses ... well you look somebody trying to do anything as complex as watching a video on this and it's a damn struggle.
Sorry for going on a rant here but the very concept is a lie. It's like Windows being easier to use, it's absolutely not BUT people have trained, at school (sigh) or at work, on how to use it. They somehow "forget" that they went through hours or even days of training and somehow they believe it feels "natural". That's entirely dishonest but why do I insist on this so much? Because it's unfair to then compare Linux distributions to things that do not exist!
What "just works" but STILL is not perfect or flawless, is SteamOS on the SteamDeck not due to any "magic" from Valve but rather because :
- the hardware is very limited (basically selected to work well for it)
- the use case is
... show morelol, sorry but in what world do you live in? NONE of the OS "just works".
I'm sorry but this is such a trope. I watched someone using an up to date iOS phone. That thing is LOCKED down to no end, countless people claim that Apple are some kind of UX geniuses ... well you look somebody trying to do anything as complex as watching a video on this and it's a damn struggle.
Sorry for going on a rant here but the very concept is a lie. It's like Windows being easier to use, it's absolutely not BUT people have trained, at school (sigh) or at work, on how to use it. They somehow "forget" that they went through hours or even days of training and somehow they believe it feels "natural". That's entirely dishonest but why do I insist on this so much? Because it's unfair to then compare Linux distributions to things that do not exist!
What "just works" but STILL is not perfect or flawless, is SteamOS on the SteamDeck not due to any "magic" from Valve but rather because :
and as soon as one start to tinker with SteamOS on SteamDeck by replacing part, adding USB-C devices, remote the r/w restriction on the OS, etc then again "just works" becomes "worked at some point".
mub
in reply to utopiah • • •procapra
in reply to pathos • • •You won't get what you're asking for, because what you want is windows to not suck, not for Linux to have GUI. Me too tbf.
I started playing around with linux back in the Ubuntu 11.04 days. I was a tween with computers as a hobby and linux repeatedly humbled me and left me troubleshooting for hours. I had fun playing with it but I stayed with Windows on my main PC.
When I finally could not take it anymore in 2021, I started using fedora, which I grew to hate then moved to opensuse, which I grew to hate so I moved to Debian, and I've more or less stayed struggling in the Debian sphere since.
I'm a regular person, I don't code. I can't even hello world in python without help. I just need my laptop to be able to serve me the slop that I crave. If you're that person too, you're just gonna have to suck it up and learn how linux works. Suffer through it. You've been using windows probably since you were eating boogers, don't expect to just pickup linux over night. I moved to linux for political reasons, and I suspect you're doing so for similar reasons. It doesn't get
... show moreYou won't get what you're asking for, because what you want is windows to not suck, not for Linux to have GUI. Me too tbf.
I started playing around with linux back in the Ubuntu 11.04 days. I was a tween with computers as a hobby and linux repeatedly humbled me and left me troubleshooting for hours. I had fun playing with it but I stayed with Windows on my main PC.
When I finally could not take it anymore in 2021, I started using fedora, which I grew to hate then moved to opensuse, which I grew to hate so I moved to Debian, and I've more or less stayed struggling in the Debian sphere since.
I'm a regular person, I don't code. I can't even hello world in python without help. I just need my laptop to be able to serve me the slop that I crave. If you're that person too, you're just gonna have to suck it up and learn how linux works. Suffer through it. You've been using windows probably since you were eating boogers, don't expect to just pickup linux over night. I moved to linux for political reasons, and I suspect you're doing so for similar reasons. It doesn't get easier, you just get better at using Linux.
If you want my suggestion, pick something based on an LTS distro. I like Debian, but I'm sure there is good stuff based on RHEL, SUSE, whatever. People will sit here and tell you how "out of date" Debian is. You're coming from windows, you probably regularly use software that nobody has maintained since 2009, you don't care if bonzibuddy.exe got an AI update, you just want to turn computer on, watch youtube, play vidya game. Don't let user johnthunderfuck69 in r/linux tell you his arch install has never broken in 20 years of using it. He is built different and you are not johnthunderfuck69.
I've had good luck with some of the gui tools included in MX Linux, SparkyLinux, and LMDE(mint debian edition). If you look hard enough between those 3 you'll probably find a big red button that you can click to order pizza to your house.
Choose Cinnamon, XFCE, or KDE as a desktop environment.
Eugenia
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in reply to pathos • • •I mean pretty much any distro can achieve that even Arch based ones. For example with CachyOS you could essentially run it with say KDE and never need to open a terminal at all. Cachy includes Octopi as its GUI package manager and it works well. KDE can also potentially handle the updating for you.
you could also run say something like Bazzite or Nobara which is essentially the same. Nobara does have it's own updater but i'll be honest it's kinda wonky sometimes and generally only starts off with access to its own repos.
Essentially at the end of the day the Distro doesn't really matter in most cases. As long as it can utilize a GUI package manager or some sort of "app store" and allows easy installation of something like KDE then you're good to go. The exceptions to this I would say would be like Gentoo or NixOS but as someone who uses NixOS...technically...it could potentially fit the bill. But that would require a bit of work to get it to that point.
Actually now that I think about it getting something like working on NixOS would be an interesting side hobby project to work on.