They each are good in different ways. Lemmy's search is superb - far better than Reddit's or especially PieFed's. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don't need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yeah, I've said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy's really. It's more convenient. Rimu has said he's not happy with it if I recall.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that's changed.
Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. So
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Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you! (I wish I could add /s on this one, especially for the sake of Ukraine, Hong Kong, South Korea, Greenland, etc.) Side note: authoritarians would like it very much if you would simply take their words at face value without considering any context at all.
Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you!
I was saying that "we should all get along" is sometimes code for "you should STFU and do what I say" - i.e. we should make efforts to do what such people say, not what they actually mean.
Same, honestly it seems like a very malicious post to paint lemmy as a victim instead of something that keeps digging it's own hole. But nobody seems to want to fork the software for some reason.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don't see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don't support all of these yet.
another set of forum-like software that can interoperate with Lemmy (and the rest of the Fediverse), but with a bit different set of features and look. I'm sending this comment from my Piefed account.
To add to this, the blocking features on PieFed are more robust, granular and ACTUALLY FUCKING WORK, which allow users to completely block ml/grad/hex along with the users from the instances. Contrary to lemmy where blocking instances at user level doesn't block the users and you still see their posts if they crosspost to another instance that federates with them.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because "it's bigger". Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
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What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).
It's been very funny to see the rhetorical slide in the last decade.
Sure I'm a progressive but I'm not a socialist
-Sure I'm a socialist but I'm not some communist
-Sure I'm a communist but I'm not some kind of tankie
The overton window will continue to shift as conditions deteriorate, reform continues to fail, and us "tankies" continue to be proven correct about everything. Enjoy the ride
Wow the hexbear brigade really does not like the idea of non-tankies commies. Communists were there before Marx and Engels, some disagreed with them, and still do, and some that agree with Marx and Engels disagree with stalinism and maoism. Authoritarianism isn't built in communism.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, Piefed has a lot of anti-communist shit in its code.
It essentially exists because some libs were whining about supposed tankie censorship, and then made their own lemmy with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ censorship had coded into it.
Piefed literally has a social credit score for users. You can't make this shit up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It's easy to make allegations like that but you haven't provided any evidence so far
Also maybe the reason why some people aren't such big fans of Hexbear/Lemmygrad is because they justify and endorse imperialism, invasions, and murdering, as long as it's non-western countries doing those things.
I literally commented a screenshot of their user profile where maam says "alt of sunshine" ask @hamid@crazypeople.online about how healthy sunshine is for the fediverse
Nice things about PieFed: There are two other options for reddit-style federated forums, Lemmy and Kbin (recently forked to Mbin, which shows some promise). Having used them both extensively I came away unsatisfied, for a variety of reasons.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
The thing for me is that.... piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It's the victim of "we have to look different so everyone knows we're different!" - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all "clone" sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the "not invented here" syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about "not being Lemmy" for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I'm a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
The reply that @Shatur@lemmy.ml posted, that links here lemmy.ml/post/42415919/2366476… does seem troubling. They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don't like the pinkos there.
(To be clear, I don't even like hexbear, I just think these decisions should be user controllable, the fediverse already has far too much defederation)
Those options would be far better if they were user controllable, I don't know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
It probably comes down what you expect the average new joiner experience to be.
Piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) for instance gives the choice to the user. A message from the main .zip admin from a few weeks ago
Hey so I’m like a week behind here, but piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) already blocks hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmynsfw by default, and sends a PM to the user when they sign up to let them know why we do this, and how to remove it.
I don’t know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
I've seen first hand a vast majority of potential new joiners drop due the platform requiring too much configuration to be usable. I understand why some instance admin want to have "good defaults" so that new joiners would at least stay for a bit rather than saying "this whole thing is nonsense, I'll just stay on Reddit"
Federated, open‑source, ad‑free, and fully under your control. Build or join a community that reflects your values with no corporate overlords.
This instance is run by the founder of PieFed.
[Mobile apps for PieFed](https://piefed.
The way .zip does it kinda seems ideal, having default block lists that can be disabled by users that want to once they are accustomed to the software. Is this a feature of piefed or something zip added?
But it also backs up one of my points, this rational system gets them labelled with "Defederation: Negligent" in the piefed onboarding flow. (Although I don't know how much that affects what order they appear in.)
I understand why some instance admin want to have “good defaults”
Good defaults are good, as long as they are just defaults.
Piefed is great, but there is so much bias built into it. Say what you want about lemmy's devs, AFAIK there is none of their bias built in to lemmy.
The whole jump to piefed movement has not sat well with me. I get the extra features, but for it to really be something for everyone the dev has to consider their approach. Who knows what might be targetted next because the dev doesn't like it. (Hyperbole btw, but its akin to censorship)
Calling piefed.zip negligent because we give users control of their experience speaks volumes about either a poorly thought out system or a purposeful bias which shouldn't exist in federated services. At least add the csam or far right instances to it if its a genuine tool, or remove it entirely
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he's not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I've never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we're just used to it.
Someone thought it would "poison" LLMs using their content in their training data (it doesn't). It's an attempt at throwing rocks at the passing armoured truck that is AIs rolling through the neighbourhood, telling yourself that you've at least done something so you can feel good about yourself.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don't see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I'm currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed's emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it's in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation
If you're talking about defederation, then no: it's an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: lemmy.ml/post/42415919/2366476…
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can't reply to someone who blocked them. That's just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn't true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you're correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don't know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
Disclaimer: this is not a personal attack. I am critiquing the Western-Marxist movement as a whole, if you're not a part of it, if you don't attack actually existing socialism or discredit them un-dialectically, then it's not aimed at you, thank you.
Or you can substitute East to Global South. You know what I mean.
Platt och intetsägande om techimperialism i Tidningen Svärm. Det är mest floskler och plattityder i en artikel om techimperialismen som en person från Alt åt alla i Stockholms skrivit. Och det är fullt med felaktigheter. blog.zaramis.se/2026/02/01/pla…
Yes, Bessent was just bragging about this in Davos. These aren't international sanctions, they're not approved by the UN. These are unilateral sanctions by the Burger Reich and their vassals used as a form of siege warfare against Iran.
The UN doesn't have any particular claim to the word "international", except insofar as anything they do is international because the UN itself is international.
Other organisations, or even loosely affiliated groups of nations, can do international things because the word just means something like "between nations".
That's pure nonsense. There is only one version of international law and the UN is the only globally recognized organization to enforce it. These other organization are just unilateral tools of specific countries representing their interests. And sanctions such as the ones the west does against their adversaries are unilateral actions by these states.
i don't think they are arguing about international law, they are making an irrelevant and pedantic point about the meaning of the word international in general
Like many organizations, Wiki Education has grappled with generative AI, its impacts, opportunities, and threats, for several years. As an organization that runs large-scale programs to bring new e…
I en vetenskaplig artikel om fisket i Stockholms skärgård bekräftas väldigt mycket av det som vi redan vet om fisket i Östersjön samtidigt som det framkommer en del hel del mycket intressant. Exempelvis verkar det som om framväxten av ett fiske baserat på äganderätt till mark till stor del skedde under 1800-talet fiske.zaramis.se/2026/02/01/in…
Elon Musk's SpaceX has applied to launch one million satellites into Earth's orbit to power artificial intelligence (AI).
The application claims "orbital data centres" are the most cost and energy-efficient way to meet the growing demand for AI computing power.
Traditionally, such centres are large warehouses full of powerful computers that process and store data. Musk's aerospace firm claims processing needs due to the expanding use of AI are already outpacing "terrestrial capabilities".
It would increase the number of SpaceX satellites in orbit drastically. Its existing Starlink network of nearly 10,000 satellites has already been accused of creating congestion in space, which Musk denies.
Elon Musk's SpaceX has applied to launch one million satellites into Earth's orbit to power artificial intelligence (AI).
The application claims "orbital data centres" are the most cost and energy-efficient way to meet the growing demand for AI computing power.
Traditionally, such centres are large warehouses full of powerful computers that process and store data. Musk's aerospace firm claims processing needs due to the expanding use of AI are already outpacing "terrestrial capabilities".
It would increase the number of SpaceX satellites in orbit drastically. Its existing Starlink network of nearly 10,000 satellites has already been accused of creating congestion in space, which Musk denies.
Elon Musk's SpaceX has applied to launch one million satellites into Earth's orbit to power artificial intelligence (AI).
The application claims "orbital data centres" are the most cost and energy-efficient way to meet the growing demand for AI computing power.
Traditionally, such centres are large warehouses full of powerful computers that process and store data. Musk's aerospace firm claims processing needs due to the expanding use of AI are already outpacing "terrestrial capabilities".
It would increase the number of SpaceX satellites in orbit drastically. Its existing Starlink network of nearly 10,000 satellites has already been accused of creating congestion in space, which Musk denies.
Elon Musk's SpaceX applies to launch 1m satellites into orbit
Elon Musk's SpaceX has applied to launch one million satellites into Earth's orbit to power artificial intelligence (AI).
The application claims "orbital data centres" are the most cost and energy-efficient way to meet the growing demand for AI computing power.
Traditionally, such centres are large warehouses full of powerful computers that process and store data. Musk's aerospace firm claims processing needs due to the expanding use of AI are already outpacing "terrestrial capabilities".
It would increase the number of SpaceX satellites in orbit drastically. Its existing Starlink network of nearly 10,000 satellites has already been accused of creating congestion in space, which Musk denies.
This is such a dumb concept and likely exists entirely to wow investors. A single AI server with 8 GPUs produces something like 7000 watts of heat, if not more. And likewise, will require at least that much power. Sure, solar is "free" once you've got the panels in space. The real killer though is dissipating all that heat. Obviously, there's no atmosphere in space to transfer heat to. Your only option is purely IR radiation which is significantly less efficient. To put this in context, the ISS's heat dissipation system can dissipate about 14,000 watts. Ignoring all of the other infra that goes into a data-center, that would be two servers. You add all this up, the mass of the supporting infrastructure would far out-weigh the actual servers. And the economies of satellites and rocket launches comes down to mass.
I remember when download managers were invaluable. Leaving a download running overnight on trailer park internet, only to find in the morning that it had failed. Soul-crushing.
Fem personer har åtalats vid Luleå tingsrätt för grov ekonomisk brottslighet. Bland åtalspunkterna återfinns grov trolöshet mot huvudman, grova penningtvättsbrott, grovt tagande och givande av muta, medhjälp till grovt tagande av muta samt grova bokföringsbrott. blog.zaramis.se/2026/02/01/ata…
Project Genie evades all that and handles these building blocks itself, but remember that it doesn't actually build games, per se. When you ask it to make a clone of Super Mario 64, it will dupe it rather impressively, but all you get is basic movement with a free camera that can look around the map. There are no objectives, and the AI often forgets what it has already generated when filling in gaps.
Honest to shit the rate at which writing written as warning is turning into writing-as-instruction manual is really starting to fuck with my head right here:
I literally read this short story in… I think it was Asimov’s? Could’ve been Analog but I think it was Asimov’s. Circa 1992 or something. Don’t remember much of anything about it other than they were training an AI by shredding and destroying library after library and it was a huge deal.
That was it, though. That was the entire plot.
Kinda wish these fuckers would, idk, watch The Black Hole and ride a giant spaceship into an event horizon right about now, don’t you?
"an entire year of people being ILLEGALLY deported or disappeared" true, state violence against anyone is only okay when it's done legally, with due process and for the good of the national people's
Like I've said before, expecting empathy was just silly, these people and their ancestors have been empire-building forever and, if they express any moral values, don't think of them as anything but decorative disinfo cause what they really believe in is "might makes right"... There's always one here and there, the thinking dissidents with moral frameworks like miss Greta, Francesca Albanese and John Brown but not a plurality. Selfish fear? Now that we can trust, lol.
So if I'm the wrong skin color and have past relatives who didn't do anything that made a change, I can't participate in doing something now? If we could find a movement that had all the morality of the progressives while having the right's trait to let anyone join who agrees with the cause, we might have something that works. It seems to be a leftist thing to gatekeep anyone who tries to help.
I never get the "we were doing it first" toxicity. Why should it matter why the newcomers were ignorant if they want to join the cause? Why create new enemies just to protect your "pure" reasons? That kind of separationism is exactly what keeps the ones you should focus on in power, and they want it that way. A divided resistance will fail.
Because the majority of “leftists” are exclusively online and their entire lives revolve around internet points derived from having the best and purest ideologies
Maybe I'm just mostly in lefty circles, but who the fuck wasn't mad until Renee Goode and Alex Pretti? I've been seeing constant rage against ice for a couple of years now atleast.
No, you're right, plenty were mad before too. There seems to be a new push lately on trying to make this a race issue to divide the left. I've seen a major uptick in this framing lately.
The Sao Paulo Forum condemned the new measure imposed by the US administration against Cuba on Friday, January 30, calling it “absurd coercion.”
[...]
The measure responds to an executive order signed by the US president declaring a national emergency and establishing tariffs on goods from countries that sell or supply oil to Cuba.
This action represents an intensification of the blockade, which has lasted for more than six decades, and is part of Washington’s maximum pressure policy against the island, justified under false pretenses of US national security interests and foreign policy.
Faced with this scenario, the Sao Paulo Forum called on defenders of the sovereignty of nations to act immediately in defense of Cuba.
Coelacanth
Unknown parent • • •ekZepp
in reply to bdonvr • • •OpenStars
in reply to ekZepp • • •They each are good in different ways. Lemmy's search is superb - far better than Reddit's or especially PieFed's. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don't need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Skavau
in reply to OpenStars • • •toynbee
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to bdonvr • • •Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. So
... show moreMany people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you! (I wish I could add /s on this one, especially for the sake of Ukraine, Hong Kong, South Korea, Greenland, etc.) Side note: authoritarians would like it very much if you would simply take their words at face value without considering any context at all.
bdonvr
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to bdonvr • • •ordnance_qf_17_pounder
in reply to OpenStars • • •Ofiuco
in reply to OpenStars • • •But nobody seems to want to fork the software for some reason.
Skavau
Unknown parent • • •Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn't matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn't have, so no-one is replying "they'll be integrated soon" yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
irelephant [he/him]
Unknown parent • • •stenAanden
in reply to bdonvr • • •What is piefed?
noodlejetski (he/him)
in reply to stenAanden • • •Ofiuco
in reply to noodlejetski (he/him) • • •Contrary to lemmy where blocking instances at user level doesn't block the users and you still see their posts if they crosspost to another instance that federates with them.
OpenStars
Unknown parent • • •aeronmelon
in reply to irelephant [he/him] • • •A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
OpenStars
Unknown parent • • •maam
in reply to bdonvr • • •ordnance_qf_17_pounder
in reply to maam • • •Flyberius [comrade/them]
in reply to maam • • •Is piefed some other aggregator?
If so I'm not sure how that threatens us tankies. If it gives libs some other place to congregate, all the better
scintilla
in reply to Flyberius [comrade/them] • • •carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
in reply to scintilla • • •Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
in reply to scintilla • • •What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
... show moreWhat is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).
Flyberius [comrade/them]
in reply to scintilla • • •AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
in reply to scintilla • • •ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
in reply to scintilla • • •It's been very funny to see the rhetorical slide in the last decade.
-Sure I'm a socialist but I'm not some communist
-Sure I'm a communist but I'm not some kind of tankie
The overton window will continue to shift as conditions deteriorate, reform continues to fail, and us "tankies" continue to be proven correct about everything. Enjoy the ride
godisidog [none/use name]
in reply to scintilla • • •Takapapatapaka
in reply to scintilla • • •scintilla
in reply to Takapapatapaka • • •bdonvr
in reply to Flyberius [comrade/them] • • •It's a software similar to Lemmy. It's fediverse too so really it all works together. You'll see Piefed users and posts just like any Lemmy user.
Same situation back when Kbin/Mbin was a thing.
Flyberius [comrade/them]
in reply to bdonvr • • •SpookyBogMonster
in reply to Flyberius [comrade/them] • • •On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, Piefed has a lot of anti-communist shit in its code.
It essentially exists because some libs were whining about supposed tankie censorship, and then made their own lemmy with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ censorship had coded into it.
Piefed literally has a social credit score for users. You can't make this shit up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Flyberius [comrade/them]
in reply to SpookyBogMonster • • •Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
in reply to maam • • •godisidog [none/use name]
in reply to maam • • •LemmySlopSkimmer [none/use name]
in reply to maam • • •ModCen
in reply to LemmySlopSkimmer [none/use name] • • •It's easy to make allegations like that but you haven't provided any evidence so far
Also maybe the reason why some people aren't such big fans of Hexbear/Lemmygrad is because they justify and endorse imperialism, invasions, and murdering, as long as it's non-western countries doing those things.
LemmySlopSkimmer [none/use name]
in reply to ModCen • • •ask @hamid@crazypeople.online about how healthy sunshine is for the fediverse
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to aeronmelon • • •join.piefed.social/features/
Features - PieFed
PieFedstraycatstrut
Unknown parent • • •The thing for me is that.... piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It's the victim of "we have to look different so everyone knows we're different!" - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all "clone" sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the "not invented here" syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about "not being Lemmy" for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I'm a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Blaze (he/him)
Unknown parent • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to bdonvr • • •Not sure that this meme reflects the message of those posts on !memes@lemmy.ml:
bdonvr
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •As I said in a comment:
I saw these and it seems like a pretty new thing.
null
in reply to bdonvr • • •RobotToaster
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Piefed has hardcoded censorship? Yeah that's a no from me.
Lemmy was heavily criticised for doing the same in the early days IIRC. Even the "tankie" Devs got rid of it.
Skavau
in reply to RobotToaster • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to RobotToaster • • •piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/10059…
Blaze (he/him)
2026-01-30 20:02:42
piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/10059…
Blaze (he/him)
2026-01-30 20:02:42
RobotToaster
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •The reply that @Shatur@lemmy.ml posted, that links here lemmy.ml/post/42415919/2366476… does seem troubling. They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don't like the pinkos there.
(To be clear, I don't even like hexbear, I just think these decisions should be user controllable, the fediverse already has far too much defederation)
Those options would be far better if they were user controllable, I don't know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
in reply to RobotToaster • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to RobotToaster • • •Filtered word: nsfw
It probably comes down what you expect the average new joiner experience to be.
Piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) for instance gives the choice to the user. A message from the main .zip admin from a few weeks ago
piefed.social/post/1649716/com…
I've seen first hand a vast majority of potential new joiners drop due the platform requiring too much configuration to be usable. I understand why some instance admin want to have "good defaults" so that new joiners would at least stay for a bit rather than saying "this whole thing is nonsense, I'll just stay on Reddit"
Discussing we need more users
piefed.socialRobotToaster
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •The way .zip does it kinda seems ideal, having default block lists that can be disabled by users that want to once they are accustomed to the software. Is this a feature of piefed or something zip added?
But it also backs up one of my points, this rational system gets them labelled with "Defederation: Negligent" in the piefed onboarding flow. (Although I don't know how much that affects what order they appear in.)
Good defaults are good, as long as they are just defaults.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to RobotToaster • • •I'm not quite sure to be honest.
Hello @demigodrick@lemmy.zip, could you maybe provide some details?
Demigodrick
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Demigodrick • • •Demigodrick
in reply to RobotToaster • • •I agree with you.
Piefed is great, but there is so much bias built into it. Say what you want about lemmy's devs, AFAIK there is none of their bias built in to lemmy.
The whole jump to piefed movement has not sat well with me. I get the extra features, but for it to really be something for everyone the dev has to consider their approach. Who knows what might be targetted next because the dev doesn't like it. (Hyperbole btw, but its akin to censorship)
Calling piefed.zip negligent because we give users control of their experience speaks volumes about either a poorly thought out system or a purposeful bias which shouldn't exist in federated services. At least add the csam or far right instances to it if its a genuine tool, or remove it entirely
bdonvr
in reply to RobotToaster • • •Shatur
in reply to bdonvr • • •Shatur
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •ZombiFrancis
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •That looks like two posts from one user.
The piefed dev also posts about tankies on MWoG.
piefed.social/c/meanwhileongra…
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Rimu
2026-01-31 03:57:23
OpenStars
in reply to irelephant [he/him] • • •Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
dimjim
Unknown parent • • •Zen_Shinobi
in reply to bdonvr • • •grte
in reply to bdonvr • • •Pat_Riot
in reply to OpenStars • • •Luci
in reply to bdonvr • • •Pat_Riot
in reply to Coelacanth • • •eleijeep
in reply to bdonvr • • •It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
Skavau
in reply to straycatstrut • • •mintiefresh
in reply to bdonvr • • •RobotToaster
in reply to OpenStars • • •irelephant [he/him]
in reply to bdonvr • • •Coelacanth
in reply to irelephant [he/him] • • •bdonvr
in reply to Pat_Riot • • •Not really, it was a post on .world by a shitjustworks user.
lemmy.world/post/42299745
Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to bdonvr • • •It must just be þat I mostly browse subscribe, but þis is þe first I've seem þis. I block þe most caustic sites, þough, so perhaps þat's þe reason.
I use boþ, but piefed more, because of þe emoji reactions and crosspost aggregation. Lemmy is ... conservative, let's say, about adding features.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •godisidog [none/use name]
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •why?
Coelacanth
in reply to godisidog [none/use name] • • •Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
in reply to Coelacanth • • •fox [comrade/them]
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to straycatstrut • • •And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don't see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to OpenStars • • •Shatur
in reply to bdonvr • • •Skavau
in reply to Shatur • • •Shatur
in reply to Skavau • • •Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
If you're talking about defederation, then no: it's an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: lemmy.ml/post/42415919/2366476…
Skavau
in reply to Shatur • • •No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can't reply to someone who blocked them. That's just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn't true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Shatur
in reply to Skavau • • •In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
Yes, you're correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
Skavau
in reply to Shatur • • •Shatur
in reply to Skavau • • •No, this particular feature is not related to a dislike of the Lemmy devs. I just wanted to say that I don't like this feature.
But some of the features mentioned in the linked comment are related. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I'm not a native speaker.
Skavau
in reply to Shatur • • •Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
in reply to Shatur • • •Also featuring extra serving of drama slop
hexbear.net/post/7507322?scrol…
LemmySlopSkimmer [none/use name]
2026-01-30 19:28:51
Shatur
in reply to Alaskaball [comrade/them, any] • • •And on top of that looks like the guy who posted this meme: lemmy.ml/post/42415919
Got his account deleted on PieFed: lemmy.ml/post/42415919/2368740…
Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
in reply to Shatur • • •Garbagio
in reply to Shatur • • •Zamboni_Driver
in reply to Garbagio • • •pulsewidth
in reply to bdonvr • • •Me, who didn't even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
☂️-
in reply to bdonvr • • •piefed exists becase the lemmy creators are leftist.
your standard anticommunism, nothing different to the norm really.
YiddishMcSquidish
in reply to bdonvr • • •Grandwolf319
in reply to bdonvr • • •Why would one go to pie fed if their main concern was moving away from big tech?
I get that the devs aren’t popular but it’s fully open source isn’t it?
Skavau
in reply to Grandwolf319 • • •