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Had a little spark of glee looking at a fellow nix user in the wild
Defined in /nix/store/vicfr
I had a spark of glee seeing another fish shell user.
I used "job control" a lot but never called it that. And I mostly would background or foreground tasks. I didn't know about a few of those additional commands talked about. Disown will be pretty handy.
Hello fellow fish user.
Disown is. I even have a fish function written so I can do 'launch foo' and it'll run foo, redirect everything to /dev/null (not sure that's necessary, but doesn't hurt), and then disowns the process. Mostly because I have a habit of running stuff using whatever terminal I happen to have in front of me.
ut never called it that. And I mostly would background or foreground tasks. I didn’t
yeah I had no idea about disown, Jesus the number of times I could have used that, I might have never learned tmux or screen :)
:! command.
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I’m pessimistic about Lemmy these days.
Why? The userbase is quite stable, and new platform are emerging (Piefed, Mbin), and more people are probably going to come the next time Reddit messes up
The instance system is confusing for new users and they might not even realize that they're missing out on a lot of content by signing up to the wrong instance.
In the end it's just a bunch of centralized websites sharing content if the admins feel like it and sure you can create your own instance but another admin can decide to defederated from yours anytime they feel like it, that's still a lot of power in the hands of a single person...
Both front and back end need to be decentralized and also separated from each other. Make all content available to all and have people develop a UI to access it, let the users curate their feed.
This way people sign up on one page and can use the same credentials no matter what page they go to, the competition for front end devs is to offer the best UI, the development for the hosting part is what's done as a community on GitHub or whatever...
I always point new users to Lemm.ee nowadays.
another admin can decide to defederated from yours anytime they feel like it, that’s still a lot of power in the hands of a single person…
All of the top 20 instances ask feedback from their communities before defederating. They know that if they don't, people will switch instances in two clicks.
Most people won't switch though, they won't want to lose their username, their feed and so on, we're creatures of habits...
Hell, trolls could go around and recreate accounts on the top 100 instances with the same username users have on other instances to prevent them from reusing the same username elsewhere, just that is a weird concept to explain "Oh yeah, someone else can create an account and pretend to be you and unless people notice that the instance they're from isn't the same, there's no way to know it isn't you!"
You're sending users to Lemmy.ee but in the end it's an instance controlled by one person paying the hosting fees and with the last word on what goes on on their server.
Most people won’t switch though, they won’t want to lose their username, their feed and so on, we’re creatures of habits…
You can keep your username, export and import your subscriptions and block list in two clicks from the settings.
Hell, trolls could go around and recreate accounts on the top 100 instances with the same username users have on other instances to prevent them from reusing the same username elsewhere, just that is a weird concept to explain “Oh yeah, someone else can create an account and pretend to be you and unless people notice that the instance they’re from isn’t the same, there’s no way to know it isn’t you!”
"You are bob@gmail.com, but someone could create bob@outlook.com and pretend to be you"
Also, this kind of impersonating would probably get the trolls banned.
You’re sending users to Lemmy.we but in the end it’s an instance controlled by one person paying the hosting fees and with the last word on what goes on on their server.
Lemm.ee had 5 admins. The main one has been very clear that he keeps defederation to a minimum: lemm.ee/post/35472386?scrollTo…
Of course you need to trust him and his team.
If you prefer a paid model where you have a customer relationship with the admin, you might to have a look at communick.com/services/lemmy/
The owner is @rglullis@communick.news , who commented below
That's 5 admins out of how many users?
In the end Lemmy is centralized, just in a different way, someone can wipe out a huge part of the content in a single click.
The content itself is harder to be deleted, because federation means that every post comment gets duplicated on all instances.
You do have a point regarding identity, and this is something that bluesky has solved already in a more elegant way. But this is also fixable with activitypub: as Takahe already showed it is possible to efficiently serve different domains with the same server. And on the extreme case, you can run your instance.
Did you see the scramble when feddit.de went offline for weeks and all its content became unavailable?
If there's going to be duplicates anyway, why not do as I said (decentralize the hosting separately from the front end and make it available to all) and just really duplicate everything so there's always a real backup and no one can wipe anything by shutting down their server?
Like I said, the content did not become unavailable. My instance still has the data from every community being followed.
The only unrecoverable problem with feddit.de is that the domain was lost. If the owner had given the domain to someone else, one could (theoretically) get all the identities back. They would need new keys, but the accounts would still be salvageable.
As for "separate frontend": this is already possible and like I said it is a matter of improving the existing clients. We don't need a fundamental change in the protocols to get what you want, we just need to get more resources available to developers so that they can continue working and improving on what we have.
But if a new instance is created after one was deleted, the new instance users will never have access to what was on that instance that got deleted.
We have "separate front ends" at the moment (guessing you're referring to apps, otherwise people log in through their instance's website), but the content the users have access to and the people they can interact with still depends on the instance they sign up on, I'm talking about eliminating that completely and letting the users be the ones that decide who and what they can interact with.
I'll never be able to check what's going on on beehaw or hexbear as long as my instance is the one I'm on, but no one should have the power to decide that for me or the other users I'm interacting with.
"real" decentralization was never the goal of Lemmy or any project in the Fediverse.
Again, it seems like you are either stating the obvious or complaining that the people designing the applications have made different trade-offs that you would like.
Lemmy is an half-measure.
There you go, a fully p2p reddit alternative. Now go away and be useful instead of complaining for the sake of complaining.
only mods should be able to ban me from specific communities
As I stated elsewhere, I don't really see how you can even have mods without admins.
But how is admins banning you from an instance any different than a mod banning you from a community? Why are you okay being banned from a community by a mod but not okay being banned by an admin from an instance? Isn't it the same conceptually speaking, just on a different moderation/administration level?
An instance ban or defederation is a high level decision that has an impact on thousands of users at once, in a single click the admin can decide that tens of thousands of people don't connect with each others anymore or that a single person doesn't have access to hundreds of thousands of communities.
Moderators on the other hand have control over a single community, the amount of damage they can do is minimal.
Indeed - that is why you should consider at least a little bit which admin you want to sign up with (i.e. which instance you choose). Choose an admin that wouldn't just do that willy-nilly (except maybe in cases where abuse/bad actors is obvious), but would only do it after careful consideration and maybe even with involvement from their users.
This is not an argument against the fediverse model of admins owning instances. It's just an argument for choosing good admins.
Reddit does have an instance, in that sense. There's just only one. Reddit has admins too. They can even ban entire communities and you can't go to another instance to make the community again.
Also again if there are no instances I'm really at a loss for where these communities are hosted and who is legally responsible, for instance, to remove illegal content.
Backend: The hosting is a database, people provide servers, host content, filter what they don't want on their own servers but if it's hosted by someone else on another server then it's available to users. In the end it works the same way as hosting any website except that you're not dealing with AWS or another such service, it's just people like you and me providing space on their servers to host chunks of the database and you back up everything so no one can wipe their server and make part of the database disappear
Frontend: The database is 100% public, if you create a website to access it all you're doing is providing the UI for users to see what's in the database and interact with it, you don't host the content itself
If you've ever played with crypto the principle is similar, the ledger is public, anyone can create a website to let people see the transactions on it and to push transactions to it
It sounds like nostr. Why don't you just use that?
That said, it's not realistic to have everything be public. But whatever, I'm not going to argue this any more.
Yeah, that's exactly the point! How do you think that a decentralized system is any different?!
If everything is "decentralized", you still must have a way to get rid of bad actors. Even nostr is set up in a way that you can not force your node into anyone else's relay.
Forgive my bluntness, but the more you try to argue you point the more it seems you have no clue what you are talking about. There are plenty of things to criticize about Lemmy and ActivityPub in general, but you are missing the mark on all of them.
No, but you can delete the illegal content from your server and other server owners can do the same on their side.
The way it works currently is no different for that, the person who controls the server can block IPs if they want.
What I'm saying is that if some servers are ready to host your content then it's the users' and moderators' decision to block it on their side.
As a matter of governance, I agree with you: my instance is only blocking one instance and that's because they got reported for hosting CSAM. As an admin, I believe that my users are mature enough and smart enough to know how to filter out what they want to see.
But if you acknowledge that server admins can censor content on their servers, your complaint is only about the way that this is done, not the principle, and you agree that there needs to be an established hierarchy.
If you just want to see the content, you don't need an account. You can just pull the data, like opening up a different website.
What you want is the ability for some other server to push content to a server that the admin might have chosen to say "no, I do not want to have data from them, and I do not want to have my resources used by these users".
I’ll never be able to check what’s going on on beehaw or hexbear as long as my instance is the one I’m on, but no one should have the power to decide that for me or the other users I’m interacting with.
Well, that's a choice Beehaw made. Shouldn't they be allowed to defederate?
Quite a few people left Beehaw because of that, which is a sign that the decentralized model is working.
In your model, how do you deal with spammers, CSAM, trolls etc. ? Should every user do their own moderation for the 47k Lemmy monthly active users? Or should people create shared moderation lists? But then you still come back to the trust issues: do you trust someone else to add a user to a block list?
Allow NSFW content at your own risk, same for users and hosts.
Block users and communities as you see fit, why should a centralized authority decide for the users? It's the same thing as Reddit except that there's a bunch of centralized authorities instead of one.
I can create my own instance but other instances can decide to not federate with it.
If admins were the problem on Reddit we should work on making a platform where admins don't exist at all, not one where there's just more of them.
Allow NSFW content at your own risk, same for users and hosts.
I am not talking about NSFW, I'm talking about CSAM. There were a few CSAM attacks last year, some mods had to see some disturbing pictures of pedo pornography, that's probably not something you want your average user to have to deal with.
It’s the same thing as Reddit except that there’s a bunch of centralized authorities instead of one.
Then it's not the same. You have communities like !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com or !fediverselore@lemmy.ca used to document abuse from admins and mods, and modlogs are public, it's a drastic change from Reddit.
Have you ever had a look at Nostr? It only has moderation at the user level, so that might be what you are looking for.
Holy crap, the point is going completely over your head.
If having absolute power over the communication channel is so important to you, you can only do that by owning everything. This is not an issue you are going to solve with changes on Lemmy, or Mastodon, or ActivityPub, or XMPP, or anything.
You are arguing where the line is drawn, but the line is not going to go away. Unless you go full blockchain, there is always some aspect of internet communication that it's mediated: the server, the internet provider, the domain registrar.
"public database" where everything is backed up on multiple servers then yes, you can in fact have people hosting the content they want to host without having actual control over the website itself. If they don't want to host NSFW content then they can filter it, someone else will host it and people can pull it from the database when they browse the website from their favorite front end.
Have a look, based on the discussion, you'll probably like it: nostr.how/en/why-nostr
I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on
Some people still want to be able to cut themselves from other people. If you ask Beehaw what they would think about Nostr, they would probably tell you that for them being able to defederate is a must.
Sure and I have a huge block list on here and I would never advocate for a solution where you can't choose to block someone or where mods can't block people from the communities they moderate, it's the person above that I have a problem with.
On Reddit I got blocked from a community (bread tube), I contacted the mod for an explanation and told them I didn't see why I would get blocked for an honest question (What is the alternative to cops when people get robbed if we get rid of cops?) from someone who is a progressive but who just isn't informed on that subject, they contacted the admins and I got banned from Reddit altogether. That's my problem with having admins at the top, one mod didn't like me questioning them, I had no issue in any other communities I took part in, bam, locked out of the whole place.
Please do take an honest try and let me know what you think of the UX.
Word of warning: the "no admin to censor you" also means "no one to help you in case you lose your account".
I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on when Reddit admins started fucking up instead of leaving to go on Lemmy where admins are still a thing…
One reason is that Nostr is filled with crypto-bros who think cryptocurrencies is the future. The whole Nostr space is filled with bitcoin news and deranged people yelling "HODL". Not surprising coming from a social media that makes it harder to ban you and encourages more absolute free speech.
I think the UX on Nostr is also just worse. You need to keep a private key for yourself I believe and that's just a technical hurdle and annoyance that most people don't want to deal with.
Another reason is that people like having admins. People want moderated places. People don't want to bother moderating stuff themselves. People don't want douchebags calling them stuff all the time and having to block stuff. Admins and moderators provide that service and users like that.
I get that you're frustrated that the admins at Reddit were mistreating you. The answer to that is not "abolish all admins" but rather "choose better admins", if you ask me at least. The good thing on the fediverse is that you can go to another place if you feel the current place isn't run by reasonable people.
there’s a bunch of centralized authorities instead of one
I mean sorry but that's just what decentralization is, unless you want a fully peer-to-peer protocol which is not realistic at all.
They really have as little power as they can given the constraints. If you don't want an admin to have power over a lot of people, join a small instance and advocate others do the same.
It really sounds like you just want to be your own admin though. Maybe a personal instance would be a way for you.
Well other admins should be entirely in their right to cut you off. Same as anyone should be able to block you. If another admin decides to cut you off, that's up to them, you can't stop that and shouldn't be able to. That is anyone's freedom.
But usually it is not a problem, as long as you are reasonable. Why would another admin block you if you are reasonable?
And what I've been saying from the get go is that no one should have that kind of power. That you can get banned from a community is one thing, that you can get banned from all content available on one instance and that one person can decide you're unable to communicate with tens of thousands of other users just because they don't like your face? Well that means that Lemmy is no better than Reddit.
Post on a community moderated by Lemmy's main dev to share a political opinion he doesn't agree with? Say goodbye to all Lemmy.ml users, you're banned from the whole instance mother fucker! No one should be able to do that in a decentralized system and if that's what people want from Lemmy then they should stop pretending it's decentralized because it's not.
I think you're totally misunderstanding how decentralization works. It sounds like you think it should be a free for all and everyone should be free to access everything. But again, the fediverse is about choice. It's totally okay for an admin to be able to cut off another instance. It's their instance, that's up to them. Nobody wants absolute free speech.
If you don't like that, go to another instance that doesn't do that and if you get cut off from another instance by another admin, maybe consider joining that instance or another instance that isn't defederated.
And consider also that this power is great motivation for everyone to stay nice and well moderated. If you are mean or spammy or whatever, you get defederated. So you better be nice! That's a great feature if you ask me.
all its content became unavailable?
All the feddit.de content is still available on lemmy.world/c/dach@feddit.de and all the other instances which where federated.
Hell, trolls could go around and recreate accounts on the top 100 instances with the same username users have on other instances to prevent them from reusing the same username elsewhere, just that is a weird concept to explain
Yes but that doesn't mean you should get automatic dibs on a name everywhere. It's just a name. If you are Joe Bill at lemm.ee, that does not give you any rights over the name Joe Bill all across the world. Statistically speaking, there's at least 18 thousand other Joe Bills around at this very moment.
Like, this is something that is already solved by the instance's moderators.
This isn't an absolute rule. Of course they don't (and shouldn't) ask for feedback before cutting off Nazi instances, but it's not always so clear.
.world defederated from fosstodon and I'm still unsure why.
.world defederated from fosstodon and I’m still unsure why.
Have you asked on !support@lemmy.world ? Could be spam issues too
No, thanks for suggesting. I saw a thread by other curious users and checked fediseer. Might be an admin issue, but I didn't see clear evidence.
Don't think it was spam as, unless I'm misunderstanding, that seems unlikely from fosstodon.
I always point new users to Lemm.ee nowadays.
Most people are not interested in moderating their own feed. Leading people to an instance that does very little moderation on the defederation side of things could push them away. In that situation, they are likely to just leave the fediverse altogether and less likely to go to another instance I would say. I respect lemm.ee as an instance but I would not recommend it as a "gateway drug" to the fediverse.
The issue is that
- LW is too big
- SJW has a non neutral name
- Lemmy.ca advertised itself as Canadian
- Feddit.org has a meta community in German
There is Lemmy.zip, but they are also very light on defederation. Lemmy.dbzer0 blocks lemmygrad but still federates with hexbear
Do you have any other suggestion?
Yea... I get what you mean. There isn't really an instance that is "not zero defederation"-moderated and general enough for all people if you take out lemmy.world. That's honestly kind of surprising, it feels like a niche that more players could fill. But I guess that's how lemmy.world got as big as it did.
If you had to give one suggestion, maybe. But still, any instance matching geographical location or a specific of your interest would be better.
If you had to give one suggestion, maybe. But still, any instance matching geographical location or a specific of your interest would be better.
Indeed, but the thing is generally, people just one want URL, and that's it.
Latest example to date: old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlterna…
You'll see a comment on how to join Lemmy, in this kind of scenario I just give one link
In the end it’s just a bunch of centralized websites sharing content if the admins feel like it
The whole point of the fediverse is having a choice of admin. That democratizes the space because people can choose where to go. The point is not to rid yourself of admins entirely (or at least not without just becoming your own admin, but then there is still an admin, it's just yourself).
Make all content available to all and have people develop a UI to access it, let the users curate their feed.
Sorry but the vast majority of users are not interested in curating their feed. Most people don't want to also be moderators. I mean fuck it's difficult to even recruit mods for even medium-sized communities. Most people don't like "absolute free speech" and want some level of moderation. Making all content available is not a path towards healthy platforms - it runs into the nazi bar problem instantaneously.
I won't even comment on the herculean technical challenge of doing it in the way you describe, but even if it was possible, I don't think it's actually desirable. It sounds good on the surface, but that's about it.
I suppose communities would not have unique names then - otherwise I'll just go ahead and create communities from all the words in the dictionary and then I control all communities.
So if they don't have unique names, how in the world do we refer to them? By some opaque UUID or something? I mean I guess it's possible, maybe.
Who's hosting this new community you just made? Where does it live? The description of the community, you know the side bar in a Lemmy community, where is that physically speaking?
You realize the way things work currently doesn't prevent that, right?
As I said from the beginning, front end and back end are separate.
Ok, let me put it another way. Reddit's content is decentralized already (everything isn't hosted on a single server, everything is backed up on multiple servers in multiple locations) but all its content is available from a single web page.
What I'm suggesting is that the hosting is "done the same way" just handled by anyone who wants to provide servers instead of dealing with a service like AWS. Now contrary to Reddit, that content is then made publically available so anyone can develop a front end for it. There could be a default option (Lemmy.com or whatever) but it would give users access to the exact same thing as any other website that offers access to the database via a UI. No defederation bullshit, no admins that can decide to wipe out part of the site (everything is backed up, you wipe your server, no one cares, all that content is pulled from another server instead), just a huge decentralized database anyone can access.
You realize the way things work currently doesn’t prevent that, right?
It totally does prevent it because every community has a unique name, when you include the instance domain. Which is the whole point. The instance is where the community lives.
This will all keep happening until we decide we have been tricked one-too-many times by centralized platforms. The only way to escape the hellish state of the current internet is to pursue options that drag the network back towards its decentralized state; a state where corporations are unable to control who we talk to, what we see, where our attention is for five or more hours a day, every day.This will keep happening until we abandon centralization and choose and free, open source, decentralized future. Or else the beatings will continue until morale improves.
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last week i was in a conversation with a few people about social media. i guess they were finally leaving xitter and wanted to know where to go. cohost came up and they all made accounts immediately. then i mentioned mastodon and was immediately rebuffed because "sometimes those instances shut down"
whoops!
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Your content stays behind, though, and some shut down without warning.
Your posts will not be moved, due to technical limitations.
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I meant that it's not directly associated with you as the owner through your migrated account.
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I agree with the overall spirit, but this is a bit shallow, no? Not much of an attempt to argue its points. It makes some claims, refuses to elaborate, then leaves. Feels written for people who already think the same.
Because of this as well as poor financial management, Cohost will pass out of internet culture with little impact
Would decentralization have helped it make a much greater impact? Would it have helped Cohost survive? Seems to me that financial issues would've killed it regardless.
Would it have helped Cohost survive?
Well in theory if cohost was decentralized, the instance that is now shutting down would just be one of many. As it is, it's one of one, the only one.
Plenty of Lemmy instances have shut down, some less abruptly than others. One cohost instance shutting down is not that remarkable, all things considered. It's only remarkable cause there's just one instance.
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In theory, I doubt development would continue. For a federated cohost to survive long term, it would also need to be open source, with a developer community that could fork the project and carry the torch. That's a very different cohost we're envisioning, even excluding required UX changes to make it possible.
At that point, one might as well imagine a cohost that explored better ways to make money, or attracted more users, or ran a tighter ship. Both scenarios lead to this discussion never happening.
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But it wasn't "win XP mode", and if you take a look, it doesn't look like it at all - it was an attempt from RedHat to provide a consistent look to both GNOME and KDE. There were Windows ports of Bluecurve.
(TIL Bluecurve caused a domino effect that made a developer quit RedHat)
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How Lemmy could interop with Mastodon, as imagined in Frontpage + Bluesky
Hey 👋 if you don't know us already, we're building Frontpage; an AT Procol based federated link aggregator. We shipped an initial MVP in closed beta recently and have since been thinking about the road to general availability.This post is an RFC (Request for Comments) targeted at technically minded folks who are interested in seeing the progression of atproto for non-Bluesky/microblogging use cases. All that's to say the language that follows assumes some knowledge about how Bluesky and atproto work! I've tried to include links to explain what all of the jargon means though, so hopefully it's not entirely nonsense for folks a little less familiar!
When you post on Frontpage, we propose that a mirror post will also be created in your Bluesky account. When you comment on Frontpage, we propose that a mirror reply will be created in your Bluesky account.
Conversely, when you reply to one of these mirrored posts in Bluesky - we will show it as a reply in Frontpage.
Additionally, Bluesky likes will be translated to Frontpage votes and vice versa.
Reminder that as of now, there is no independent Bluesky server open for registration: feddit.org/post/2656676
The interoperability issues between Mastodon and Lemmy come from Mastodon, which doesn't really seem interested in correcting that: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…
Cool to see things being built with AT. For what my thoughts are worth, I think that having Frontpage posts showing up on Bluesky would be benificial. It'd probably make it feel like it has a lower barrier to entry and increase interactions/discussions across the different communities.
P.S. replying here with Friendica which is taking advantage of similar cross compatibility.
Also, just a curiosity, how good is AT's cross compatibility without workarounds? Obviously if you guys are considering I assume it works, but I've been curious how well things play together. Nostr has NIPs to solve the issue, and ActivityPub is a little tempermental, but with AT's repo style accounts I've wondered how well everything interacts across different implementations.
If I understand correctly, there's a central pump running behind the scenes in any AT implementation. You feed content into the central hub, and it pumps it out to everyone connected to it. Bluesky itself provides the one major pump that feeds its network right now.
So in that sense, Bluesky is a centralised network with decentralized users.
Frontpage is building a different pump, spreading different kind of content to a different type of platform. So there's no obvious connection between the Bluesky pump and the Frontpage pump - that's why they're talking about bridging in the post.
It almost seems a bit silly - in order for two AT hubs to talk, you need to build a bridge for them. At that point, you could might as well have built an AP protocol and made it work with Bridgy.fed.
Furthermore, all "instances" running Frontpage would process data through the same central hub. If that goes down or they run out of funding, it's all over.
I'm applauding the Frontpage crowd for trying something new. But I'm not entirely convinced I see the benefit compared to what we're doing over here.
Unpopular opinion: IDK why people want perfect interop so much, I have a Mastodon account and a Lemmy account, big deal. We've got bigger fish to fry than this. The formats are different enough that you're better off having separate accounts for microblogging and threadiverse.
Interop for similar platforms is a great feature, but for dissimilar platforms I don't think it's actually necessary just a novelty. Also I think people try to push this on new users as some big, useful, important feature, but I think it only confuses the new users.
Also I noticed most of the time when people complain about ActivityPub interop issues, it almost always ends up being Mastodon's fault lol. Probably because they were early to the party and didn't have to worry about interop and standards much back then. At least I hope it isn't malicious lol.
Don't think this opinion is unpopular at all. It makes sense for platforms that are similar to interop.
Hypothetically like Youtube interop with Peertube (video platforms) or Instagram interop with Pixelfed (photos). Or Threads, Reddit and Lemmy (forums). And Mastodon and Twitter (sorry, but just making a point here 😁)
But yeah, see no reason for interop between platforms with completely different purposes.
example: im a mastodon user and I follow this topic bc i find it interesting
and i would never create a lemmy account to see your comments, i like having every post (from mastodon, lemmy, peertube, threads, pixelfed) in one single place
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That sort of aggregating would make more sense in an RSS reader. RSS feeds are exactly for that purpose.
But a platform trying to interop from an infinite number of unrelated platforms just seems odd.
you can't reply, share or even like a post with a rss reader, I believe one of actititypub goals is to replace rss
personally, I follow an important amount of users and then class them into mastodon lists (tech, politics, movies, news...)
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You can reply and interact on platforms from an RSS reader. All an RSS feed is is a list of links. When you click them, you go directly to the platform. When using on a mobile device, RSS readers will even open the app for you to reply or interact with posts.
The fediverse will never replace RSS feeds. They serve a totally different purpose.
i like having every post (from mastodon, lemmy, peertube, threads, pixelfed) in one single place
Have you tried fedia.io/ ? It has both Mastodon and Lemmy included in one place
I think in some ways Mastodon is better suited - if you use the list feature actively there, it gets quite powerful. And personally I quite like the way content gets community curated on Mastodon once you follow enough people.
I love Mbin, but scratches a very different itch. :)
Mastodon can already boost Lemmy posts.
I think support for boosts is a game changer for interoperability. As a Mastodon user I wouldn't really want to follow a community even if it was well implemented, but I'm happy to follow users who boost content I'm interested in.
Boosting content is the way posts spread on Mastodon. If anyone follows me from Mastodon they will see all the content I boost; if they enjoy it, they might re-boost to their followers and the ball starts rolling. And that's how you suddenly get comment sections where Mastodon users are actively participating.
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Conceptually, I think the way Lemmy and Mastodon would be able to interop is pretty straightforward: Each thread in either is basically just a tree of replies. They are just shown differently depending on the platform. Furthermore, Lemmy communities show up as Mastodon groups, and Lemmy threads show up as retoots from those groups, which I think is the most elegant solution.
The only issue that makes this interoperation unusable really is that Mastodon groups representing Lemmy communities just "retoot" every single comment, obliterating the TL of anyone who dares to follow those groups. Which as far as I know only happens because Mastodon refuses to be cooperative and properly follow the standards.
As for the other comments asking "why even care about this": I think it's worth as a long-term goal for the Fediverse to entirely separate the "view" aspect from the "content" aspect of platforms where reasonably possible, so that each user can browse all the content in their preferred platform. Not all fedi platforms need to conform to some absolute feature parity, but as I just said, there's basically a one-to-one relationship between Lemmy and Mastodon content, so it is reasonable in this case. I've seen enough people here claim that they very much prefer the Lemmy format to read conversations.
Personally, my Mastodon account has different vibes from Lemmy, and for that reason alone there is a bunch of Lemmy communities I wouldn't subscribe to, but would follow from Mastodon. The only reason why I don't do that is because Mastodon's side of the interop fucking sucks.
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The only issue that makes this interoperation unusable really is that Mastodon groups representing Lemmy communities just “retoot” every single comment, obliterating the TL of anyone who dares to follow those groups. Which as far as I know only happens because Mastodon refuses to be cooperative and properly follow the standards.
Pleroma/Akkoma deal better with this, The groups there only retoot the main topic, and the answers you only see If you open the main topic, then you see all the threads.
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Even on Mbin, the microblogging and link aggregator are two different parts of the software.
If someone from Mastodon posts to an Mbin magazine, it would still look "out of the place" the same way it would in a Lemmy community
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The homepage contains the communities (e.g. Lemmy): fedia.io/
The microblog page contains the... microblogs (e.g. Mastodon): fedia.io/microblog
That's why I said it's two different views, you can't have everything at the same time, it's one or the other
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@Blaze@feddit.org I just want to note that it's a feature request on GitHub right now, it was already implemented on KBin (even tho in a bit weird way), so it's definitely possible
github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues…
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One thing that seems to go unappreciated in the comments is the simplicity of this interop proposal: It is essentially about enabling quote-posting of link-aggregator(Groups) posts.
Bluesky + Frontpage will work this way, and I believe it’ll work exceedingly well. If the ap-net corner of the fediverse isn’t interested in this kind of interop, fair enough. To me however the promise of seamless interop between my social apps was what brought me to the fediverse, so that’s the version of the fediverse I will pursue.
the promise of seamless interop between my social apps was what brought me to the fediverse, so that’s the version of the fediverse I will pursue.
That's fair.
For some other people the appeal of the Fediverse is to be able to manage the instances themselves, and Bluesky still isn't there yet on that side (and probably won't, as it would prevent them from generating revenue if someone can just open a server and connect to their network)
Bluesky still isn’t there yet on that side (and probably won’t, as it would prevent them from generating revenue if someone can just open a server and connect to their network)
I don't think that's necessarily true. As fas as I know there are no plans to inject ads, they are planning to create a marketplace for custom feeds (think "premium" feeds) and labelers and such where they would take a cut. You would obviously still be able to purchase access to them from other servers. But this goal seems kinda lofty, not sure if it can be viable.
Seems quite relevant indeed.
To the stance above: if people prefer to have a unified experience managed by a corporation, that's okay.
There are enough people on the Internet to keep a few places actives. The Fediverse and Blueskey can coexist.
Yes and that's why I don't understand their comment and even less why it gets downvoted. They seem to complain about something to me that I didn't even mention and the topic was not about combining ATProto with ActivityPub or whatever.
Maybe relate wasn't the right word. English isn't my native language.
Reading the thread again, I guess it comes from
Initially I thought I wouldn’t need multiple accounts for the fediverse.
Followed by
Right now I’m more active on Bluesky
Some people might have understood it as "The Fediverse failed, Bluesky is better". As I said, to me it's okay to prefer one or the other, but some people are less tolerant.
Bluesky is not a part of the fediverse.
That is directed at you, but is not a complaint.
The rest is my own rant at the devs, not directed at you.
Tried Masto and Pixelfed, left after The Great Sellout to Meta. Trying Lemmy for now but it's limited in breadth and scope.
I'd like to see a fedi digest app more than anything, gathers it all up and presents it. Then if I want to interact I can sign up for one of them. But first I want to see where things are.
In general, the technically-discerning aren't going to care as much about quantity, more about quality and features.
I'd like to block every wealthy narcissist and never read their name or see their troubled insane faces in posts, I'm fed up with the narrative on both sides and have other interests.
So if Frontpage gathered it all up and filtered out the paid narratives and shills I get to choose, while letting me follow interesting minds, I'd be very interested.
If it had a prominent link to which instance, it might become clear what instance and software is best for me.
Right now I like Piefed's ability to filter and not Lemmys militaristic intentional inability to do so.
Masto filtered, but doesn't migrate well and now federates with the shitasses on Meta, which I don't want to consort with or support. If I want to sign up for Meta it's not hard, but I haven't ever done so and don't need coercive help from fake empaths running .social instances. I'm not a farm animal, Stux.
I think the fedi got it backwards, new users need to browse first to find what they want. I get it as a techie kind, but right now it's forbidding to many with all the unknown choices.
If Frontpage, someday, can also interpolate comments and vote between the softwares that survive, that'd be a nice thing to add to a browser that's already familiar to new users.
But I think it's way early for that. Kbin is already in the past, Mbin may or may not be a true continuation, the Meta connection nay not be worthwhile for their investors, bluesky is still a pig-in-a-poke for me.
One thing that is missing, again, is a digest to browse.
The Great Sellout to Meta.
Is this Great Sellout in the room with us right now? Because Meta did implement an open protocol into Threads, but it has been widely blocked by other ActivityPub instances. That is not a "sellout".
Sounds like your principles will only lead you off social media, perhaps the internet entirely?
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The 2 largest mastodon instances both misrepresented involvement or intent with Meta to their users, then turned around and federated.
Those were/are the best chance for the fedi to leap forward.
They are the most popular and also now the keast likely to be used by tech people, both because if the association and because they misled their users.
The admins of those, one of which is the masto dev, have arguably done more harm to the fedi than anyone else. People left for bluesky right after the bragconfession and openly posted about why.
So it's not in the room with me, because I dropped their scene and closed all my accounts.
It takes a moral village idiot to compromise the whole environment just to grab some cash for their subsequent honeymoon. Not unlike current Twitter management thinking, and not unlike social media thought-levels in general.
Though luck, they are interpretations already and have been doing it since the beginning.
The first comment I ever made to a Lemmy community was via Mastodon - that's how I found out about Lemmy in the first place.
VirtualBox 7.1 Released with Qt 6 GUI, Wayland Support for Clipboard Sharing - 9to5Linux
VirtualBox 7.1 Released with Qt 6 GUI, Wayland Support for Clipboard Sharing - 9to5Linux
VirtualBox 7.1 open-source virtualization software is now available for download with Qt 6 GUI and Wayland support for clipboard sharing.Marius Nestor (9to5Linux)
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But QEMU definitely lacks a GUI config tool that is both easy to use and allows for advanced features like snapshots.
Let me say it louder for the people in the back: virt-manager.org/
It literally does everything you mentioned, including allowing you to edit the XML files manually to reach advanced or obscure features that are not exposed. And it can do it remotely via SSH, and it managed LXC and Xen too.
im a networking idiot so apologies if this doesnt work for your needs
if you leave the NAT virtual NIC and add a 2nd one, type MACVTAP, make device name your real NIC (ento1 for me).
Now you can access guest on your host and on other LAN devices without needing a bridge
(Spent yesterday figuring this out)
I totally agree with you on the Linux side. However, I first got into Linux by using it in Virtualbox on Windows. In the Windows world, as far as I know, it’s the easiest-to-use free-as-in-beer^1^ hypervisor, so long as UEFI support has improved since I last used it.
1: I say this because of the non-libre extension pack.
Vbox will create a bridge with my wifi card (I'm a laptop user with no option for a wired nic in the host).
I've never been able to get kvm to do that and haven't found any working instructions online that a simpleton like me can follow
if you leave the NAT virtual NIC and add a 2nd one, type MACVTAP, make device name your real NIC (ent01 for me).
Now you can access guest on your host and on other LAN devices without needing a bridge
(Spent yesterday figuring this out)
Doesn't VirtualBox use KVM if it's available?
I likeVBoxManage. Any crazy thing I've ever imagined doing with a VM it's already supported.
So, to answer your question - I use VirtualBox because it does everything I want and I've never had a reason to look elsewhere.
No, VBox does not use KVM unless you use some off brand backend, which is an extra layer of complexity and software you must install and manage.
Absolutely everything you might want to do with VBoxManager is going to be available via virsh and the multiple libviet utilities.
I've never had a reason to look elsewhere.
Not using Type 2 hypervisor would be a good one. Not being beholden to Oracle's shitry licensing schemes is certainly another.
Virtual manager requires a lot less clicks. It also uses libvirt so you can run VMs in the background and on startup.
If you want a better UI look into other clients.
Virtualizing Windows 10 for various binbows-only work stuff
Virtualizing Windows XP to run Office from before it started sucking
PC should work. But Wine might be a better option if you just want to run some old version of office (or frankly just use LibreOffice)
Ok so I guess I am the stupid because I always assumed kernel-level virtualization meant that you were limited to guest OS’s that used the Linux kernel. I was drawing incorrect connections to Docker
TIL
Are you paying for a Virtual box commercial license? They change for every employee in the company not just active users.
Just use KVM and be done with it. You can get the Windows guest drivers and addons from the Fedora project
I teach a class where I use VirtualBox. Students commonly use Windows or Mac. I use Linux.
It is very handily to use VirtualBox where, if I demo something, the same steps will work on the student machine. It is also nice for documentation if you want to show a screenshot.
I have never used the “extension pack” for this so it would be fine. Educational use seems to be permitted regardless.
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What ever you happens, do not use this for commercial purposes. Virtual box is free and libre but the guest addons are not. They will find and bill you for every single person in your company. Not per active user but per employee. This has cost companies millions
Under Linux you can just use KVM. Gnome boxes or virtual manager should work fine.
And they DO NOT CARE if you don't actually use or install the extensions (unless something has changed, the guest add-ons are part of the free open source part, it's the extensions for things like USB 2 support that aren't free for commercial)
You can use it freely, by license, but they'll come after you anyway
I'm still pissed that they bought Sun, so many great products now controlled by those assholes... Virtual box, MySQL, Solaris, Java...
The only license that VirtualBox and the Guest Additions are even released under is GPL3. I do not even see a dual license.
What remedy are they proposing when they come after you? I am not sure I would even take their call or respond to their letter. If I did, I would just send them the GPL text, announce that we are complying, and tell them to pound sand.
I suppose it might be fun to tell them that I got it via IBM or Red Hat or something and to take it up with them. But I probably would not actually be dishonest about. As above, if I got a letter asking me to pay for their GPL software, I would just mutter “idiots” and throw it away. If they want to persist, it would only cost them money and I would continue to respond the same way.
The extension pack does cost and is licensed differently from the core product
I did try that tact, more or less, but the fact is they kept harassing our licensing people and it just wasn't worth it so we removed every copy of it and used something else
And the truth is, Oracle can throw an ungodly amount of legal hassle at people if they want, right or wrong... Just because you're in the right and should win doesn't mean there'll be anything left of you on the other side, and they won't have felt a thing while destroying you out of capriciousness
They're pure evil and even their fully open source products should be avoided like the plague that they are. Hopefully someone will fork them at some point so we don't have to be tied to that shitty company, but until then, better to just leave them alone, because it's just not worth the hassle.
I do not believe I have had to accept anything. I am installing it from the AUR and it builds from source. Pretty sure it just went straight into the UI the first time I launched it ( without a EULA ).
I will have to look into it. Thank you for the answer through.
I just looked all this over and, just to clarify, both VirtualBox itself and the Guest Additions are free and released under GPL3.
virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_…
What is not free is the separately downloadable “VirtualBox Extension Pack”.
As long as you stay away from the “Extension Pack”, you are ok.
Kali Linux 2024.3 Release (Multiple transitions) | Kali Linux Blog
Kali Linux 2024.3 Release (Multiple transitions) | Kali Linux Blog
With summer coming to an end, so are package migrations, and Kali 2024.3 can now be released. You can now start downloading or upgrading if you have an existing Kali installation. The summary of the changelog since the 2024.Kali Linux
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cp, but I got an input-output error. Could this be the filesystem's fault? And how can I fix this? If you need any additional info about this crash, please do not hesitate to ask.like this
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ddrescue is probably your best bet
dd is the simplest: dd if=/path/to/disk/device of=/path/to/backup/file but it may fail with a broken device. ddrescue is similar but handles io errors appropriately and can retry bad reads.
If the disk is failing anything you do that reads or writes it could cause data loss. Even having it plugged in and powered potentially could. It depends on what component of it is failing.
That being said, fsck is pretty safe. It's the equivalent of chkdsk in windows, it looks specifically at the filesystem for things that may have gotten screwy.
ddrescue/gddrescue is your best bet for recovery. It can detect bad blocks and skip them, and it has some p robust resuming capabilities if your disk locks up while.its running. I usually use it to clone entire physical disks to another disk or an image file that can be mounted. I don't know if it can be used to grab specific files, I've never tried.
If it was me, I'd take the disk out and let it cool to room temperature. Then I'd ddrescue the whole thing, with resume turned on, to an image file. Then I'd run fsck. If fsck finds and recovers filesystem issues, I'd put it back in the pi, continue using it, and start doing regular backups of important files via a cron task.
If it’s running off an SD card then it’s very likely the SD card is broken. It’s better to run a pi off a USB SSD drive. Hope you have backups. Good luck either way.
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"He's dead Jim"
MicroSD cards aren't designed for a lot of writes. Your card it probably dead. If you must use a RPI with a SD card you should get an enterprise grade MicroSD
Ubuntu 24.10 to Introduce User-Controlled Permissions Prompts
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The upcoming Ubuntu 24.10 operating system promises a new feature called “permissions prompting” for an extra layer of privacy and security.The new permissions prompting feature in Ubuntu will let users control, manage, and understand the behavior of apps running on their machines. It leverages Ubuntu’s AppArmor implementation and enables fine-grained access control over unmodified binaries without having to change the app’s source code.
From Ubuntu Discourse: Ubuntu Desktop’s 24.10 Dev Cycle - Part 5: Introducing Permissions Prompting
This solution consists of two new seeded components in Ubuntu 24.10, prompting-client and desktop-security-center alongside deeper changes to snapd and AppArmor available in the upcoming snapd 2.65. The first is a new prompting client (built in Flutter) that surfaces the prompt requests from the application via snapd. The second is our new Security Center:In this release the Security Center is the home for managing your prompt rules, over time we will expand its functionality to cover additional security-related settings for your desktop such as encryption management and firewall control.
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With prompting enabled, an application that has access to the home interface in its AppArmor profile will trigger a request to snapd to ask the user for more granular permissions at the moment of access:
As a result, users now have direct control over the specific directories and file paths an application has access to, as well its duration. The results of prompts are then stored in snapd so they can be queried and managed by the user via the Security Center.
Ubuntu 24.10 to Introduce User-Controlled Permissions Prompts - 9to5Linux
Ubuntu 24.10 will ship with a new security feature called permissions prompting to put users in full control of their Ubuntu machines.Marius Nestor (9to5Linux)
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I wish other distro's would implement this. It's a very modern thing to do and really does make linux as a desktop feel more complete.
I'm fairly sure flatpaks are planned to have something like this and I am really looking forward to it
Presumably its only opt-in to the application you want to use it with. If this new system was applied to all applications by default, yeah it could become a problem. The reason why the permission control in Android and Flatpak works is, because those applications and packages are designed and built with these limitations by default and the user should not need to modify the permissions. There are a few cases (in Flatpak) where you need to change the permission, which is annoying, especially if you don't know. How worse will it be with applications that are not designed with these limitations in mind and force them with permissions taken away with this new tool?
Overall I don't think it's such a bad idea to have a technology on your hand to limit permissions and access, but it needs to be opt-in. In example this could be useful for AppImages, that are downloaded from the web and not managed by your operating system or a community like Flathub.
Looking at the video they posted, surely the act of navigating and selecting a location via the file save portal should implicitly give permission?
Iirc, that's something Flatpak allows.
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From the Discourse Blog:
The Linux desktop provides XDG Desktop Portals as a standardised way for applications to access resources that are outside of the sandbox. Applications that have been updated to use XDG Desktop Portals will continue to use them. Prompting is not intended to replace XDG Desktop Portals but to complement them by providing the desktop an alternative way to ask the user for permission. Either when an application has not been updated to use XDG Desktop Portals, or when it makes access requests not covered by XDG Desktop Portals.Since prompting works at the syscall level, it does not require an application’s awareness or cooperation to work and extends the set of applications that can be run inside of a sandbox, allowing for a safer desktop. It is designed to enable desktop applications to take full advantage of snap packaging that might otherwise require classic confinement.
So this looks like it complements and not replaces the XDG Desktop Portals, especially for applications that have not implemented the Portals. It allows you to still run those applications in confinement while providing some more granular access controls.
XDG Desktop Portals as a standardised way for applications to access resources that are outside of the sandboxIt is designed to enable desktop applications to take full advantage of snap packaging
So all this only affects Snap apps, is that correct?
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it seems like AppArmor isn't from Ubuntu, so that is great news. So that feature alone it doesn't require snap. But I'm now talking only about AppArmor.
But this whole 'fine-grained access control blabalba' does require Snap indeed..!
sudo aa-status. I still think it's just a standalone module, and Ubuntu or Debian literately doesn't need to implement anything extra afaik. Maybe only some configuration files at: /etc/apparmor.d (and most of these files are most likely also not coming from Ubuntu xD)Linux reshared this.
I see. Interesting. In my case AppArmor seems to be enabled by default under Linux Mint. As well as under my Ubuntu Server. I might need to look into this better, it looks like an important topic that many people overlooked.
It says for example "107 processes are in enforce mode". But also.. 4 profiles are in complain mode..
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Researchers Gave LSD and Humans To Dogs — And Something Magical Happened
Researchers Gave LSD and Humans To Dogs — And Something Magical Happened
In what may be the most interesting study of the year, researchers searching for answers about autism spectrum disorder looked at the brains of dogs and humans on LSD.Elana Spivack (Inverse)
For my fellow clickbait haters
In a new paper published today in the journal Advanced Science, researchers from China and the U.K. become the first to demonstrate inter-brain activity coupling between two species. The study goes on to illustrate not only how a mutation associated with ASD is linked to much lower coupling, but how a dose of LSD could help two brains intertwine.
I’ve only read the headline but I bet it fucking did
In fact I’d love to trip with a dog
Using 10 beagles, the team performed 5 days of social experiments on pairs of unfamiliar dogs and humans. Participants wore electroencephalogram (EEG) caps to measure brain activity during 3 social interactions: when the human and dog were in different rooms, in the same room but not interacting, and in the same room while interacting, each for 5 minutes at a time. Inter-brain synchronization, the authors found, increased in the frontal and parietal lobes of the brain, both of which deal with attention, during the most intense social interactions like petting and looking at each other. This correlation continued to strengthen over the 5 days.
This is the baseline for comparison in the paper.
Next, the authors repeated the experiment using 13 dogs bred with Shank3 mutations, which are the most common genetic risk factors for ASD (autism spectrum disorder). The Shank3 mutants showed a loss of inter-brain activity coupling during interactions with humans, indicating this connection’s absence. However, 24 hours after administering a dose of LSD (7.5 μg per kg^-1 bodyweight), the authors observed much higher inter-brain correlation in the dogs’ frontal and parietal brain regions, outperforming dogs who had received a saline solution.
kg ^ -1 = 100 grams. So you can read it as 7.5 μg of LSD per 100 grams of dog. As to why that dose, from the paper:
we conducted a pilot study to determine an appropriate LSD dose at 7.5 µg kg−1 bodyweight, as 10 µg kg−1 bodyweight (inferred from previous reports on mice[13]) showed an apparent head-shaking effect, while 5 µg LSD kg−1 bodyweight showed no recognizable effect on the behaviors.
Full paper - onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10…
I had the pleasure of reminiscing about OggCamps from “Days of Yore” with the excellent Les Pounder yesterday, in an episode of the Tom’s Harware Pi Cast. If you’ve never been to an OggCamp, hopefully this will provide a flavour of the event (Les did a deep dive back into the photo archive from previous events).
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OggCamp 2024 (“The Return of OggCamp!”) is happening at the Manchester Conference Centre at the Pendulum Hotel on October 12 & 13. Tickets are available now. We would love to have you join us, and bring along an open source / free software topic or two to discuss and share.
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Kovarex Is Thinking About Open-Sourcing Factorio | Factorio Interview: Michal Kovařík [Czech; Eng Subs]
cross-posted from: biglemmowski.win/post/2418820
For me, the most interesting point was the short mention of open sourcing Factorio (around 2:40). Kovarex seems to be very much open to the idea, he mentions that (as an approximation) maybe two years after the DLC after things calm down ...
(Hope this is not much of a titlegore)
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Months? You clearly haven't tried Pyanodons.
Jokes aside, yeah, it would be a killer.
If this were true, we wouldn't need the term "FOSS."
You're talking about the OSD presumably. Stallman's definition differs, and I think his terminology seems to be widely used.
I disagree with a few points of that article.
Another misunderstanding of “open source” is the idea that it means “not using the GNU GPL.” This tends to accompany another misunderstanding that “free software” means “GPL-covered software.” These are both mistaken, since the GNU GPL qualifies as an open source license and most of the open source licenses qualify as free software licenses. There are many free software licenses aside from the GNU GPL.
You do too by using the term FOSS instead of FLOSS,
The terms “FLOSS” and “FOSS” are used to be neutral between free software and open source. If neutrality is your goal, “FLOSS” is the better of the two, since it really is neutral. But if you want to stand up for freedom, using a neutral term isn't the way. Standing up for freedom entails showing people your support for freedom.
The FSF and OSI agree on many of the licenses they approve as being free/open. If you can tell me of any notable differences that aren't a matter of one of them not commenting on a particular license yet then I'd be open to change my opinion on it.
Regardless, even if you believe the OSD and FSF's definition of libre software differ, merely having the source available is not enough to meet what the OSD defines as open source. Which is what this conversation was originally about.
The conversation was not originally about OSD; I had just mentioned it.
You do too by using the term FOSS instead of FLOSS
Touchée. But FLOSS the term only emphasises even more: there's open source software, and then there's free/libre open source software -- note the distinction.
There's a model that id used for open sourcing their engines. The source code is open, but the assets (textures, models, sounds, etc.) are still copyrighted and you still have to buy the game to get them legally. This means the company still sells copies on Steam or wherever, and games that replace all the assets can still sell them without any licensing costs, too.
I'm a little surprised this model never caught on. Even id only ever published the engine to the previous game--Quake 3 was open sourced a little after Doom 3 was released--and the practice seems to have stopped when John Carmack left.
Possibly because nobody has tested it in court, or some other subtle legal issue?
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P/f Næraberg och JFK P/f är två sammankopplade bolag. P/f Næraberg är ett samarbete mellan det stora nederländska fiskeriföretaget Parlevliet & van der Plas och en lokal fiskeriföretagare på Färöarna. Enligt lagstiftningen på Färöarna måste fiskeriföretagen kontrolleras av lokala ägare.
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