'Increasing Destruction': Israel Continues Bombing Campaign Across Lebanon
'Increasing Destruction': Israel Continues Bombing Campaign Across Lebanon
"Complete blocks are being destroyed one after another," Al Jazeera reported.common-dreams-staff (Common Dreams)
How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war
How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war
A year later, memorials to the 7 October attacks use art, virtual reality and dark tourism to stir support for limitless violence. But there is a different way to rememberNaomi Klein (The Guardian)
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Right. Which is why it would be a man-made disaster and not a natural disaster. The same with Katrina and the levees. Katrina was a natural disaster, but what killed the people in New Orleans was the levees not getting repaired when they needed to be.
And it's different from people refusing to evacuate since that's on them, it's not an issue of other people's incompetence being the cause of mass casualties.
I was going to correct you on the comparison and I tried making my own scaled image .... but I couldn't because yours is a correct scale
I just couldn't believe that Helene was that massive and widespread compared to Katrina which was known as a major event. wow
it’s different from people refusing to evacuate since that’s on them
It isn't though, you need to examine why those people were unwilling or unable to evacuate.
This is a systemic failure; our systems failed to adequately enable and incentivize people to evacuate. Do you judge a country's covid response by the number of people killed by covid, or just chalk that up to people's individual choices too?
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We got one of those out of place tornadoes this year! My town had one set down basically in the middle. We lost so many huge old (50-150+ year old) trees because that just doesn’t happen here. And because it doesn’t happen here, and some of the trees were planted well before the roads were built (meaning a lot of the trees that came down were basically in the road, curbs built around them sort of thing), it really did a number on the infrastructure (to say nothing of the damage to homes and stuff).
But in addition to a random tornado, we’ve just had a ton more super strong wind/rain events that cause damage in the last few years. I honestly don’t blame my neighbors for taking down their big old trees rather than deal with the weather damage. (I disagree with it, but I understand it)
Wasn't a big part of Katrina's destruction from the hurricane effectively stalling over the southern US which caused prolonged and massive local damage?
Not trying to discount either event, mostly worried about the time we get a stalled Helene sized hurricane
And a big thank you to politicians blocking major efforts to reduce carbon emissions thanks to lobbying by the industry and foreign governments.
The world finally needs to stop politicans getting huge donations and hold them accountable for their actions.
But they brought a snowball into Congress and everything so obviously climate change is fake news!
Anything and everything for money... I wonder if they'll take cash in hell?
It boils my blood that Republicans would blame Democrats for not sending enough aide during these times, all the while Republicans vote against initiatives drafted up by Democrats to combat these issues specifically.
They use issues like this entirely to rouse their base and keep their support.
You should read Ministry for the Future. It's about how people cope with the world after the effects of climate change get out of hand. It's sobering.
The idea of just blowing up the offending petrol infrastructure made me think of it.
What is the point of comparing Helene to Katrina? Harvey was also a 4.
Why discount the impact of Katrina just because there were systematic issues? It was a natural disaster and that was the impact.
Because it comes off to me like you're trying to "well ackshully" about Helene being really the most devastating hurricane.
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Well, it's not over.
This is coming next week. Path is unclear, and its not as big as Helene, but anything near a 930mb in Tampa Bay and plowing over Orlando at 950mb, especially at this angle, is a catastrophe.
Katrina was 920mb at landfall, and these intensity forecasts have been undershooting hurricanes recently.
And there's another low pressure system at the edge of the GFS that I don't like, taking a similar path to Helene:
This is what the upcoming hurricane looked like a few days ago.
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As with everything, it also matters where it hits.
Katrina and New Orleans's levees was a big deal. Helene flooding areas many moles from the coast in high altitude areas.
There have been bigger hurricanes that do less damage and likely there will be future weaker ones that do more.
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this can't be an accurate or reasonably accurate depiction, these are two completely different storms in a different category after all.
This is like me comparing the joplin tornado to the el reno tornado.
(for those that don't know the joplin tornado was an extremely erratic EF/F 5 tornado that was incredibly strong and just sort of showed up and then lingered over a particular area causing immense destruction, whereas el reno was a massive, very powerful tornado, that was collectively rated to be about an EF/F 3 i believe, although the core itself, and numerous shenanigans it pulled including sub vorticies or whatever the correct term is were much stronger, causing strong localized damage)
this can't be an accurate or reasonably accurate depiction, these are two completely different storms in a different category after all.
What do you mean? This shows the differences between the two.
What do you mean? This shows the differences between the two.
yeah but i don't really see how that matters. Weather is extremely complicated, and unless hurricanes are a lot more consistent than i think they are, this is a lot like comparing two random tornados together, and then being surprised when one of them is a lot worse than the other.
If that's what we're doing we should compare the tri state tornado to any tornado in the last 10 years and suddenly tornados must be a lot less dangerous now than back when the tri state tornado hit.
It's an entirely arbitrary mechanism of comparison. It's just wrong.
Even if the point is trying to convey the difference between different storms, i can pick up two different rocks, they're both different rocks. You can't really glean something from 2 data points effectively.
The different categories are the point. What they're missing though is Helene was much closer to a category 5. It's winds were 15 mph short of that category and the storm tail you can see in the above photo is characteristic of category 5 Hurricanes. That in and of itself isn't a big deal. The big deal is that it's the second storm at this strength this year. The first one stayed coastal where they're used to all that rain.
What the picture is basically saying is Katrina was a warning shot. An actual Category 5 with winds well past 157 mph is going to hit the wrong spot and we're all going to regret not taking climate change seriously.
going to
I don't unpack my go bag anymore even though we only evacuate every sixth year or so. I've lived here 30 years and we've evacuated 4 times, will probably need to this year or next (fire season is almost over). Although, I'm calculating like it happens steadily, not taking into account the acceleration. 1996. 2007. 2017. 2020. uh, fuck. Now that I type that out, those last two are an awful "coincidence" and I need to go sit down.
The different categories are the point.
are they? storms are not like a magic black box that outputs a specific strength of storm, the point i'm making is that we should be comparing every storm we have since the beginning of recorded history and comparing them to what we're seeing now, rather than taking one storm from like a decade ago, and comparing it to another now. This is a completely arbitrary description of climate change.
and? It's wrong. At least link to a source with relevant data or science on it. Shitposting and memes isn't going to help.
Conservatives are literally pretending that biden isn't giving places aid right now, after the hurricane, i don't think this meme is going to stop that from happening lol.
if the implied point of this post is to demonstrate that hurricanes have gotten worse over time due to climate change, yes this is objectively wrong, even if the underlying data is true.
Just because you have the correct solution, doesn't mean you calculated it correctly.
To give an example here, let's say i have a set of 99 numbers, 1-99 and lets say i add one more number, 100, but oops i accidentally add two more zeroes so now it's actually 10,000
If i take an average of the extremes (not perfectly analogous here but i'm demonstrating a simple point) of 1, and 10,000 then the average is going to be 5,000 roughly. However most of those data points are going to live within 1-99 so this is an extremely incorrect "demonstration" of the effect here.
The primary problem here being that we don't really know what the direct effects of climate change are going to be, just that we know what it will probably do, and if this is the first significant event of this category, we're about to find out why fat fingering the 0 twice is going to be really unfortunate.
Now if the point is that "hurricane bigger than other hurricane lol" sure, but that's a stupid point to make. Again my original example of joplin vs el reno tornados. It's entirely arbitrary for no reason. It'd be like if i stopped you on the side of the road, picked up two rocks, and went "these sure are rocks aren't they?"
I remember when conservatives were hooting and hollering about Climate Science Being Wrong, because the predicted "Worst hurricane season on record" wasn't producing a record number of powerful storms.
Well... now what? I guess we can fall back to Gaetz and DeSantis blaming Biden for a bad cleanup job. Or go the MTG approach and start talking about HARP and the Jewish Space Lasers.
Well... now what?
Years went by and Earth-destroying profits continued for all these years, again.
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The goal was well defined, misinformation carefully funded, the results what they hoped for.
Wimdy.
But the least wimdy going forward.
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We gonna achieve such terrifying new records in just years!
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Man, that's a rough way to describe everyone's homes after the storm
Makes me think that the midwest will soon get more populated due to its position away from coastlines
Unless they move near one of the great lakes or a big river, it will be unsustainable. Most areas without those get their water from underground aquifers, which are getting depleted already. These little towns and cities that dot the flyover states aren't preparing for this at all.
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Why would a satellite actually imaging storms want to place a satellite in the image as well?
I think its from some movie, like "the Day after Tomorrow" or something.
Because in movies you can have a shot of a satellite while showing a shot of the storm. I think that's fairly harder to do in real life, seeing you'd have to have two satellites perfectly in sync (and they go pretty fast) or a satellite (space stations are satellites as well) with a very long selfie stick.
Edit actually yah googled "the day after tomorrow storm" and this was one of the first images to pop up, the exact same image syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styl…
I've seen ISS photos that have bits of the ISS in the shot. 🤷♂️
But also, I did some searching and no, that is not Hurricane Milton.
Oh yeah there's shots like that. But like, in general. I don't know just made me think of the day after tomorrow and yes it's was that.
I googled "the day after tomorrow storm " and it was one of the first image syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styl…
So must've been in my subconscious or smth
I think they're downvoting the Squid, not the content of the post. I imagine a poster like Flying Squid has made some enemies along the way, the kind of people who literally go and downvote all their posts.
I'll take what I said on Reddit and bring it here: Don't comment on downvotes, they don't matter.
Not quite, the Helene one is between 25% and 50% more zoomed in based on what I can see of the bump of Louisiana and the shape of Cuba. Still a striking comparison even with that accounted for.
Edit: Oh wait, I misread the uncovered coast line on Cuba. I think that's actually closer than I initially thought. They just have it panned and rotated a little.
What I don't like about these graphics is there is no data source so you have to look it up to know how much to believe about what they say. So for those wondering, per Wikipedia:
- Helene was a Cat 4, its max diameter was between 400-450 miles, max wind speed of 140 mph is correct. Known fatalities so far > 227 and counting.
- Katrina was a Cat 5, 400 miles in diameter as shown, but with a max windspeed of 175 mph, not 125. For those too young to remember, Katrina was a very, very bad storm. So bad. Over 1392 fatalities (official estimate; exact number unknown). BTW Katrina also had a big tail/wing(?) stretching to the north when it hit land like what Helene had, but thinner since further west--but those don't count as part of the measured diameter of the hurricane.
My opinion of this graphic: Hurricanes are getting worse because of climate change, but we don't need to convince people of that by downplaying Katrina or making Helene look scarier--Helene is also very very bad. It's all bad, folks.
Katrina photo:
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As someone not from hurricane continent, these images are freaking scary. Like what do you mean the hurricanes are several times bigger than my entire country?
I'm just sitting here thinking holy hell I hope cyclones don't come to my comfy corner of North-Eastern Europe
I live on top of a hill that drains directly into the ocean. If my house floods I have different problems.
I also won't live on the side of hills without a very clear understanding of the local watershed, soil stability, nearby land rights... I took a lot of Earth science classes and honestly it's kinda traumatizing to peek behind the curtain. Shit is fucked.
German police raid homes of Palestine activists in lead-up to October 7 commemorations
On Monday, September 30, the Berlin police, on behalf of the public prosecutor’s office, conducted house raids with a total of 125 officers, on the homes of five pro-Palestinian activists ranging in age from 18 to 40. The simultaneous raids took place around 6:00 a.m., in what police describe as a series of “pro-Palestinian motivated crimes.”
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The simultaneous raids took place around 6:00 a.m., in what police describe as a series of “pro-Palestinian motivated crimes.”
I'm sure the actual article explains this better than the post blurb. I'm about to read it, so I'll find out in a minute. The blurb however makes it sound like the police raids were a series of pro-Palestinian motivated crimes.
I’m about to read it, so I’ll find out in a minute.
And they were never heard from again.
Please read my comment carefully, I did not do that. It is pretty obvious that the dynamics of how groups work and how you get people to believe in certain goals are pretty universal. Populism is designed to abuse how everyone perceives and judges outside information for political gain. Therefore it is viable for any political orientation. Other strategies are very significant as well (left&right).
Populism can be found on the left and the right and should be criticized everywhere.
I honestly think you're just throwing around buzzwords, how is all of this this directly related to fascism? You're essentialy making fascism appear pretty harmless by using it as a catch-all phrase.
And if you can't be friendly to people with different opinions, your opinions are only a result of one-sided socialisation, not of discussion and reflection with the help of others. And therefore on the same level as any other unreflected opinion.
It is pretty obvious that the dynamics of how groups work and how you get people to believe in certain goals are pretty universal.
Why do you believe this? Because I've studied how fascists currently recruit and the methods are very different from how socialist orgs recruit. I have also studied how fascism developed in nazi Germany, Spain, and Italy, and they seem incredibly different from socialist forms of movement building.
Populism is designed to abuse how everyone perceives and judges outside information for political gain.
How can you have left wing populism then?
I honestly think you’re just throwing around buzzwords, how is all of this this directly related to fascism?
Populism is a strain of buzzword designed to equate two very different ideologies. Obviously you can't try to minimize fascism directly so since the holocaust fascists have been trying to downplay fascism by making it a symmetrical evil with communism. If you want to learn more I would suggest looking through some of Dovid Katz's writings on holocaust collaboration in Eastern Europe.
And if you can’t be friendly to people with different opinions, your opinions are only a result of one-sided socialisation, not of discussion and reflection with the help of others.
I didn't say we weren't friendly to people, I said we aren't friendly to certain ideas.
And being unfriendly to mainstream ambient opinions that we have decided to reject isn't an indication of one sided socialization. While you might not be socialized to understand socialist ideas, socialists in the west grew up around and are intimately familiar with liberal ideas.
not of discussion and reflection with the help of others. And therefore on the same level as any other unreflected opinion.
Luckily though, socialists invest in the social practice of group learning and reflection, including engaging in ruthless criticism of our own ideas. So no, we have established that it is not at the same level.
This may be, but the probability is unarguably higher than with Trump. Voting exclusively for candidates you morally agree on only works if enough people have the same morale (in this case i.e. are educated on Israel and so on) and are also not willing to make compromises.
Even if unfortunate, this is currently not the case; and you voting independent has smaller chances of changing that than voting democratic. So you will probably have to accept this situation for the moment and choose the "best actually feasible" strategy— and feasible means having the highest probability to win in real life, not merely trying.
Personally, I’d even argue that it’s unethical to not vote for a candidate like Harris, just because the chances of getting stuff like ranked choice voting or educating voters done (which will then lead to you being able to realistically vote for others) is significantly higher when voting Democrats than… letting Trump win?
Notice that I don’t say you have to agree with anything else she stands for, you’re trying to achieve certain goals/get out of the very unfortunate current situation, and even a low chance of reaching that is infinitely better than none.
This may be, but the probability is unarguably higher than with Trump
This is entirely arguable, Harris doesn't support Israel out of any moral reasoning, but economic.
Personally, I’d even argue that it’s unethical to not vote for a candidate like Harris, just because the chances of getting stuff like ranked choice voting or educating voters done (which will then lead to you being able to realistically vote for others) is significantly higher when voting Democrats than… letting Trump win?
This is also wrong. The Dems don't want RCV, nor would implementing it fix the system.
Notice that I don’t say you have to agree with anything else she stands for, you’re trying to achieve certain goals/get out of the very unfortunate current situation, and even a low chance of reaching that is infinitely better than none.
There is no chance under Kamala.
The only way forward is revolution. Delegitimizing Dem and Rep rule is an important step towards revolution.
Because there's non-programmers in this community, if you aren't sure what this means but are too afraid to ask, it's a Regular Expression that better represents the terms "Linux" and "Unix."
Though if we're going to be that pedantic, it would be [nN][uiI][xX]$. That extra pipe wouldn't actually do anything in the last example, because regexp picks one character from the set by default.
And if we want to be really pedantic,
(?!nix)[nN][uI][xX]$Would be the most accurate.
Edit: based on comments, I think...
(nux|NIX)$...would be the best. Then you don't wind up with weird matches with things like
UNiX.
Yes, but you can really only do that with single characters, since your first example is an ordered group and the second is an unordered set in a capturing group. The equivalency drops off when you include more characters.
Plus, you can do things like [a-zA-Z], and you can't do that with the former example.
I would imagine there's a difference in computing overhead, too, but I have no idea which is more performant.
*nix isn't a Regular Expression, because the star operator * requires a preceding character or object to apply to. This is a wildcard for the shell style globbing, where a single star doesn't require a second object.
*nix is more likely to be a glob, therefore an accurate version would be *n?x
Edit: global -> glob dang autocorrect
All that effort, when you could've just called it LUNIX.
By the way, does this expression match LUNIX? But if so, won't it also match Binux or Bunix?
Unix
Minix
AIX
Irix
HP/UX
Ultrix
OSF/1
Linux
Those are just the ones I remember because I've used them
Hurricane Helene: Over 220 dead as some communities struggle to get basic supplies
Hurricane Helene: Over 220 dead as some communities struggle to get basic supplies
The latest news and live updates on the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.NBC News
Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei: all forms of resistance against Israeli occupation are legitimate
Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei: all forms of resistance against Israeli occupation are legitimate : Peoples Dispatch
Iran reiterated that it will respond to any provocative actions by Israel or its international backers, like the United StatesAbdul Rahman (Peoples Dispatch)
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The Russian Military Will Be 'Battle-Hardened' After Ukraine War
The Russian Military Will Be 'Battle-Hardened' After Ukraine War
Perhaps the most important lesson for Putin is the realization that he cannot rely on the military’s assessments of its readiness, forcing him to take a more direct role in overseeing strategic operations.David Kirichenko (The National Interest)
The Russian Military Will Be 'Battle-Hardened' After Ukraine War
The Russian Military Will Be 'Battle-Hardened' After Ukraine War
Perhaps the most important lesson for Putin is the realization that he cannot rely on the military’s assessments of its readiness, forcing him to take a more direct role in overseeing strategic operations.David Kirichenko (The National Interest)
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Considering how Russia is:
1. clearly winning
2. Having about 1/10 of the losses of Ukraine
I assume that you do not know what you're talking about.
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Having about 1/10 of the losses of Ukraine
Source? I don't think this one is true..
If I am really desperate for libertarian criticism of the Ukronazis I can go to Telegram, winning the psywar is not my concern, discussions which will actually be good for my brain are.
In fact many people who claim to be Marxists can often be spotted making the "my tax dollars!!!" Or "bad bang for our buck" objection to funding the war.
So I made a joke, sue me. Claims he avoided Lemmy.ml because he thinks it is a circlejerk. I am a one man refutation of this. Go ahead and try to get me to circlejerk I won't do it.
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Meanwhile, funny how you forgot all of NATO pouring everything they have into Ukraine.
Not your grandfather’s NATO. Alliance faces critical shortage of arms, untested forces and mostly expeditionary US presence amid rising risk of a wider European war.
Not your grandfather’s NATO
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, once a simple defensive alliance, now faces a crisis. Today, NATO is a huge multinational alliance of 32Stephen Bryen (Asia Times)
As executives flee OpenAI with warnings of danger, the company says it will plow ahead.
OpenAI Exits: What's Happening Over There?
As executives flee with warnings of danger, the company says it will plow ahead.Steven Zeitchik (The Hollywood Reporter)
Sam Altman always rubbed me the wrong way. He always seemed like he was trying to be the "humble" Steve Jobs - just as tyrannical and stubborn, but he was doing it "to better humanity" with AI. I call bullshit, he's just another tech billionaire asshole.
With all these billionaires popping up how do we keep forgetting that the guillotine exists?
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Well, most nights, sunlight still bounces off the moon before it hits the earth and its inhabitants. This could imply that the sunlight is only dangerous to a vampire prior to interacting with another solid object. If one is willing to assume that the lens and its various filters qualify as a solid object, that could explain the lack of death.
Presumably the only reason they don't employ this loophole on Earth is because an astronaut just walking around would draw unwanted attention.
Alternatively, perhaps the vampire keeps its back towards the nearest star at all times.
This makes me wonder how the space snake bit Morty in Rick and Morty.
Just checked. Holes/valves/airlocks for the fangs:
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If you think Trump is the reason for fascism, and not the other way around, you need to seriously reevaluate where you draw your conclusions from.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Trump is a symptom of a greater problem you cannot vote away. Voting for Harris isn't an anti-fascist vote.
Secondly, claiming genocide is merely an issue surrounding "ideological purity" and not, you know, genocide, is monstrous.
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Yep. In 20 years, if leftists have managed to save the world, the libs of today will look back on themselves with shame.
The DNC and GOP are aligned on failed Climate Action, genocide, Imperialism, and are working towards World War 3. The answer cannot be with the Dems, and our time is running out.
No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism. I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I'm sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism. We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.
I don't love the BS narrivate around purity tests. Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate. The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide. However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It's the least anyone can do.
However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils
"If you care about the palestinians, you should vote for their genocide".
So don’t vote? Vote for west or stein, giving trump the presidency?
I think vote for Harris, because a trump reelection may well be the end of democracy. If the democrats win big, they may be able to push through legislation that enshrines abortion rights, subsidizes childcare. Hell, a blue wave with a mandate might give Harris the backing to give Netanyahu the what for. If the left proves they’ll actually show up and vote, they’ll start to be listened to more. If they stay home, America will move right, further than it is
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No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism
The post did, they said Trump was the existential threat, and not the Capitalist decay that caused him to win.
I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I'm sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism
Great Man Theory is wrong. Obama was again, a symptom of Capitalism, the Bourgeoisie needed a Neoliberal warmonger and got one.
We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.
Correct, we need to join revolutionary orgs like PSL and FRSO and end support for enablers of fascism like the DNC and GOP.
I don't love the BS narrivate around purity tests
I don't either, liberals need to stop pretending they are anti-fascist by continuing to enable fascism.
Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate.
Genocide is a major one for me.
The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide.
Sounds like it's your moral responsibility to get organized with anti-genocide parties.
However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It's the least anyone can do.
There isn't a lesser evil when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians among the DNC and GOP, both are completely in lock-step and want to expand it to a regional war. Walz even supports the "Greater Israel" project.
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>When your antifascist coalition includes Zionist fascist collaborators.
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Voting Harris is the only remotely ethical vote
Voting for Harris is one of the most unethical votes you can make, along with Trump. A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide, failed climate action, world war 3, and continued Imperialism.
Stop looking at the world in black and white
I don't, can you explain?
The proletariat revolution will never happen
Of course it will, it's already happened in many places and continues to be fought. It will inevitably come to the US, if the world isn't ended by its warmongering or failed climate action, that is. Disparity continues to rise and Capitalism continues to decay, that's like saying continuing to heat up water will never bring it to a boil.
Start thinking about grassroots harm reduction locally and vote for the lesser of two evils federally.
Gotcha, we should join Socialist and Communist orgs like PSL and FRSO, and vote for Claudia De La Crúz in the federal, or Jill Stein if she isn't counted in your state.
Special Report: Emails show early US concerns over Gaza offensive, risk of Israeli war crimes
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/21051792
By Humeyra Pamuk
October 4, 20242:56 PM EDT
Leading US imams and scholars urge Muslim voters to snub Kamala Harris over Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/20911849
By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
Leading US imams and scholars urge Muslim voters to snub Kamala Harris over Gaza
A group of leading Muslim American scholars and imams have signed a letter calling on Muslim voters to spurn Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris in the upcoming election over US support for Israel's war on Gaza.Umar A Farooq (Middle East Eye)
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They are the same. They both support Israel undyingly, Biden is even sending in the troops.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
They move right because that's what their donors want.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
No, they wouldn't. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, both parties are always moving rightward.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
If the Democrats don't want to regain left votes then they are too far gone and we need a revolution.
You've tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It's simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
You've tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It's simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
I have not. Things will not get worse for Gaza under Trump or Harris, they are fully aligned. Pretending it's good for Palestinians to be murdered because the bombs are sent by a Dem is monstrous.
Plus, I advocate voting, just for PSL or the Greens, anti-genocide parties.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
Dems are far-right as well, lmao. If you want left views represented, vote for left parties.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
Parties pick policies based on donors, not on the public's opinion.
Well, unlike you, I can tell the difference between Hitler and the democratic party. You're so full of false equivalence.
If they move left, you'll still not vote for them because you're too pure to compromise and you will forever throw your supposedly leftist ideals on the dustbin of throwing what tiny tiny tiny power you have away and convincing anyone that shares your views to do the same.
Well, unlike you, I can tell the difference between Hitler and the democratic party. You're so full of false equivalence.
Where is the red line for you to stop supporting the increasingly right-wing Democrats? It certainly isn't genocide, you're voting for that this time around, so is there a meaningful point of no return? If not, you would vote for Hitler.
If they move left, you'll still not vote for them because you're too pure to compromise and you will forever throw your supposedly leftist ideals on the dustbin of throwing what tiny tiny tiny power you have away and convincing anyone that shares your views to do the same.
I have been advocating for revolution this entire thread. I am advocating for people to stop supporting the genocidal US Empire and do something other than legitimizing the US Terrorist State.
Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.
So we need to abandon them entirely and either elect a new party or overthrow the state.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
Ah, "thoughts and prayers," same as always.
So I'm going to preface this by saying how I feel about the situation. I'm furious that Biden and the Democrats aren't just... y'know, fucking stopping this shit. I'm furious that the administration isn't doing more to end the goddamned genocide. It makes me feel sick to think that the executive branch of my country isn't denouncing what's happening. The Democrats are supposed to be the party for compassionate people. I consider myself to be a compassionate person, and the Democrats are absolutely failing to represent me.
I'm sure there's some realpolitik going on there, but like, realpolitik can suck my asshole when my taxes are paying for bombs and missiles that are being used by a different country in an unjust war to kill innocent people in a genocide.
Make no mistake, I want this shit to end right the fuck now. I want Israel to fuck off back to their borders. I want the hostages to be traded, I want Palestine to be a full state in the UN with defensive treaties. I want Bibi and the people who enabled him to be tried for crimes against humanity. I want Israel and the United States to pay reparations and to foot the bill for the rebuilding of Palestinian infrastructure.
I want change. I am tired of the Democrats. Shit, I think there are a lot of people tired of the Republicans. Nobody is happy with the way out system works. I look at other countries with coalition governments and a large number of specific parties and I wish that I could have that. I would absolute love to have a party that represents my values and desires.
With all that said, I just don't think that we will be able to enact meaningful change in 30ish days. To enact change within the confines our current system, we would need to convince tens of millions of people to vote for a candidate that truly represents them in that timeframe. Given the constricting nature of our two-party system, I think many people wouldn't know who that is. I certainly don't know who would represent me. It certainly wouldn't be Jill Stein, to provide an example of a third party candidate. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders, but he's not running for president. His election would require tens of millions to write his name on their ballots.
Many of the people who don't feel represented by our government with regards to Palestine currently vote for the Democrats. If we were to all switch in unison and vote for someone who would truly stop this shit, then we could enact our change. I believe that there's just no way to do that in a month.
If we try to enact change right now and fail, then we will likely end up with a violent, narcissistic rapist as the head of our government who will continue to implement blatantly christo-fascist policies. Christo-fascists do not like people of the Islamic faith, and Donald Trump has promised to wipe out Palestine if he is elected. He cannot be trusted to act according to what he has previously said (which, speaking from experience, is the fashion of all malignant narcissists who are not being treated for their PD), but there is a chance that he will follow through on his word and will speed up the genocide of the people of Palestine.
There are two primary candidates. One candidate will likely maintain the monstrous, awful, status quo. The other candidate may or may not direct the most powerful military force in the world to level Palestine and order the destruction of every man, woman, and child within its borders. The former gives the people of Palestine more time while to survive while we try to unfuck our system. It's not a guarantee, but it's a chance.
Earlier, I said that realpolitik can suck my asshole, and that's what this feels like. It's shit and I hate it and it makes me feel gross. None of this brings back the lives of those who have already died, and my choice probably wouldn't really be appreciated by a Palestinian who is trying to survive the bombs I'm paying for. I won't shame anyone who cannot live with themselves if they vote for Kamala Harris. People are entitled to their beliefs, and living out of compliance with them can be very harmful. However, I feel compelled to at least present an emotional argument against a vote for a 3rd party candidate (or no vote at all) in this specific situation.
I'm furious that the administration isn't doing more to end the goddamned genocide
Biden approved the invasion of Lebanon and is sending in US troops and air support. They want this.
I'm sure there's some realpolitik going on there, but like, realpolitik can suck my asshole when my taxes are paying for bombs and missiles that are being used by a different country in an unjust war to kill innocent people in a genocide.
Israel helps terrorize enemies of the US empire and secures the Petro-dollar.
With all that said, I just don't think that we will be able to enact meaningful change in 30ish days. To enact change within the confines our current system, we would need to convince hundreds of millions of people to vote for a candidate that truly represents them in that timeframe. Given the constricting nature of our two-party system, I think many people wouldn't know who that is. I certainly don't know who would represent me. It certainly wouldn't be Jill Stein, to provide an example of a third party candidate.
So hopes and prayers while you vote for continued genocide, got it. Your feelings don't make the bombs lighter.
There are two primary candidates. One candidate will likely maintain the monstrous, awful, status quo. The other candidate may or may not direct the largest military force in the world to level Palestine and order the destruction of every man, woman, and child within its borders. The former gives the people of Palestine more time while to survive while we try to unfuck our system. It's not a guarantee, but it's a chance.
Biden has already ordered US air support and ground troops, the die is cast.
To side with the even more genocidal Trump team? What kind of crazy is this? There isn't a third option. There's horrifically bad and there's even worse and you're siding with even worse. Come back to reality, Cowbee, it misses you.
The class is holding a vote on whether to put the "slap the ugly kid in the face" guy in charge or the "kick him in the nuts" guy in charge. You're right to say the kid should be left alone. You're right to say there should be a third option. You're right that there should be no slapping. You're right that the vote is offensive. But you can't stop the vote and you can't stop the violence. None of us can.
But fuck you if you can't bring yourself to say that the kid ought not to be kicked in the nuts and fuck you if you tell all the nice kids not to vote and fuck you if the kid gets kicked in the nuts because of your idiot intervention that only ever talks about the slappers and gives the kick-in-the-nuts crowd a free pass.
Not voting just lets the "kick him in the nuts" guy win every time, which is why the "slap him in the face" guy came up with the slapping policy in the first place.
Badabinski likes this.
To side with the even more genocidal Trump team? What kind of crazy is this? There isn't a third option. There's horrifically bad and there's even worse and you're siding with even worse. Come back to reality, Cowbee, it misses you.
Of course not Trump, he's just as genocidal as Harris, Walz, and Biden. You're siding with genocide, that's unacceptable.
The class is holding a vote on whether to put the "slap the ugly kid in the face" guy in charge or the "kick him in the nuts" guy in charge. You're right to say the kid should be left alone. You're right to say there should be a third option. You're right that there should be no slapping. You're right that the vote is offensive. But you can't stop the vote and you can't stop the violence. None of us can.
Pure defeatism, if we have to torture this poor kid then it's best to tell the teacher to fuck off.
But fuck you if you can't bring yourself to say that the kid ought not to be kicked in the nuts and fuck you if you tell all the nice kids not to vote and fuck you if the kid gets kicked in the nuts because of your idiot intervention that only ever talks about the slappers and gives the kick-in-the-nuts crowd a free pass.
You are still under the grand delusion that the GOP is worse than the DNC on the issue of genocide. They aren't, this is a bipartisan effort. Biden has even sent in the troops and Walz said Israel needs to expand.
Not voting just lets the "kick him in the nuts" guy win every time, which is why the "slap him in the face" guy came up with the slapping policy in the first place.
No, this is so far removed from why America supports the genocidal settler-colonial entity. America supports Israel because Israel is a rabid dog on a leash that America uses to terrorize the Middle East and secure the Petro-Dollar, which it uses as the global standard to have a monopoly on Financial Capital, enslaving the Global South with predatory IMF loans.
Please, do some actual thinking.
You're kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.
Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.
Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.
If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it's electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don't vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.
You're kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.
They can move left if they want left votes.
Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.
Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters? What fantasy land do you live in? The Dems keep trucking along for their donors and appeal to areas they want votes in from the public. If Leftists always vote for dems as a fixed lever, then Dems will move right to satisfy their donors more because the leftists are spineless.
Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.
If the dems don't want leftist votes and move to the right, that's a problem with the dems, not leftists.
If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it's electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don't vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.
I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens. Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.
If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens.
Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.
Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.
Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!
If the dems don’t want leftist votes and move to the right,
They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades, and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.
Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.
The dems can move left if they want leftist votes, and more people are moving to the left as Capitalism declines.
Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!
Electoralism is death.
They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades
Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO
and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.
Harris is campaigning to the RIGHT. She is moving RIGHT and losing voters over it.
Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO
I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.
You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.
Electoralism is death.
Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.
I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades
This is still meaningless.
If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.
They will not move left. If they win, they realize they can keep moving right. Dems want to move right to serve their donors.
You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.
Not at all. Care to elaborate?
Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.
Please stop pretending to care. You're an accelerationist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.
Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.
Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.
Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.
If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?
Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.
No, because those are revolutionary orgs. Your lack of theory has you firmly advocating for dead ends.
If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?
The Dems are handing power to the fascists. They are committing genocide, Imperialism, failing to address the climate, refusing to help women, trans people, minority populations, and are accelerating towards World War 3.
Fascism will not be beaten by a Dem victory, it will still come. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, as long as Capitalism continues to decay fascism continues to rise. You are working towards fascism. Right-wingers like you would rather genocide continue than lift a finger to help Muslims.
Read theory and join an org.
Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters?
No, I think they see the republicans win with right wing policies, sigh and say "I guess we've gotta do some of that shit to get elected."
You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.
The Dems follow the money, which comes from their donors. This drives policy.
For electoralism, they gesture to their voterbase, but this doesn't impact their real policy.
You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.
You keep pretending that choosing to not affect the outcome affects the outcome.
Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes
I won't blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.
Anyone parroting those tired talking points who thinks Trump would be less of a problem for Gaza or the Palestinians needs to get their head examined.
Trump has already demonstrated that he's Netanyahu's bitch.
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in reply to Peter Link • • •And now compare that to the Palestinians' drama. What happened on the 7th of October is horrible but what ensued after is even worse.
Israel is trying once again to portray themselves as the sole victim here which is quite hypocritical given the level of destruction they caused in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon and the civilian lives lost.
They are citing they want to return 80K Israelis to the north of their country, and for that they displaced 1M Lebanese people. Is the well being of 80K people more important than the well being of 1M?