Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah and the pager plot
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/21096288
from #WashingtonPost [gift article]
[Bias alert - WaPo usually favors Israel]By Souad Mekhennet and Joby Warrick
October 5, 2024 at 5:50 p.m. EDT
Mossad’s pager operation: Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah
New details emerge of Israel’s elaborate plan to sabotage Hezbollah communications devices to kill or maim thousands of its operatives.Souad Mekhennet (The Washington Post)
Cage: a Wayland kiosk 0.2 released
This is Cage, a Wayland kiosk. A kiosk runs a single, maximized application.
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Release 0.2.0 · cage-kiosk/cage
Cage 0.2.0 adds the following new features: All improvements from wlroots v0.17 and v0.18 Support for primary selection Support for the relative-pointer-unstable-v1 protocol Xwayland is now option...GitHub
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Re: jellyfin plugin
Never managed to get it to complete a scan of the music database. Always kept crashing. Then left a load of zombie items in kodis media library.
Honestly wasn't impressed.
Do you use the plugin mode (access via HTTP) or the direct mode (access directly via SMB)?
Music libraries are a mess in plugin mode.
Still not the best UI in the world but it's the only Jellyfin player I found that can do seamless refresh rate switching, HDR playback, audio passthrough and has no issues with high bitrate 4k60 hardware decoding.
Looking for a distribution that I could replicate from one computer to another
Hi everyone,
I’ve been a happy user of Fedora Workstation since Fedora 36 on my Surface Go 1.
I really enjoy Gnome and everything is set up the way I want to.
Since I was really happy with my setup I just wanted to be able to replicate it easily through Clonezilla so that I could port it on any future computer I’d get.
Sadly, even with the help of really helpful and knowledgeable users on Lemmy, it hasn’t worked (sh.itjust.works/post/25963065).
So now I’m left wondering if there could be a distribution that I’d enjoy and which would be easy to deploy on another computer as I’d hate to have to configure everything on every computer I’d get.
I love Gnome but I wouldn’t be against trying something else if necessary.
What distribution could meet my needs?
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replicable.
As someone who spent time in OS Build/Relmgmt before security, I have a pressing desire to play the "how do you know" game, here.
Because the only way to have a functioning NixOS system is to have it be reproducible. That's the only way it works; Nix is reproducible by design.
The ability to reproduce a system implies the ability to replicate it.
Cloning the system and home partitions always worked fine for me with openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma desktop. Another option openSUSE offers is AutoYaST
AutoYaST is a system for unattended mass deployment of openSUSE Leap systems. It uses an AutoYaST profile that contains installation and configuration data.
NixOS is exactly what you want.
You declare your configs in a way that you can just copy them to another computer and it willbe configured the same way.
I've never tried it my self, but I might for my next machine.
WDYM the repos are very slow?
i'm using it as a daily driver for a couple of years now
For reproducibility, nothing really beats NixOS. That's not really what you're asking for, as that would not involve Clonezilla.
If you're frequently switching hardware, and want to have everything up and running, configured to your liking, in minutes, you're gonna have fun with NixOS in the long term. But I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, it has a steep learning curve and does require you to enjoy some tinkering. Worth it, imo
Otherwise, just pick a distro that you enjoy and create a separate home partition, when it's time to switch you do a fresh install and clone only the home partition. That'll get you 90% of the way to have your old setup on the new device
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But what is a home partition?
I mean for me the problem is backing up my settings (including for every app) and I don't know where they are saved.
Backing up my pictures, documents and others isn't a problem.
Your settings for the most part are in your home directory, generally when you install a Linux system everything that isn't the bootloader is on one partition (system, installed applications, etc)
Your home directory is for anything specific to your user, meaning your downloads folder, your pictures, documents and also your .config folder which holds 90% of the config files
There are some weird ones that have directories outside of home, afaik that's stuff like network manager remembering your saved networks that runs outside of your user context
Could I make an image of my Fedora Workstation install?
I'm struggling to understand what all these ublue or other images are..
Any of the many immutable distros (vanilla os, fedora silverblue, bluefin, aeon, endless os, pure os, ...) will all obviously work.
Most of your customizations will live in your home directory anyway, so the details of the host OS do not matter too much. As long as it comes with the UI you like, you will be mostly fine. And yku said you like gnome, that installs many apps from flathub anyway and they work just fine from there.
For development work you just set up a distrobox/toolbox container and are ready to go with everything you need. I much prefer that over working on the "real system" as I can have different environments for different projects and do not have to polute my system with all kinds of dependencies that are useless to the functionality of my system.
NixOS is ofmcourse also an option and is quasi-immutable, but it is also much more complicated to manage.
This may help.
discussion.fedoraproject.org/t…
Personally, I use Fedora Silverblue and use bash scripts for reproducibility. To set up a new system, all I need to to is install, reboot, run my bash script, reboot, and my system is 90% configured. With bash scripts, I am able to reproduce more of my system than I could when I used NixOS.
A lot of people recommend Nix, but the thing about Nix is that you're only declaring how the system is configured. Not your home folder. You need to rely on third party tools for that.
Bash scripts can configure system and home folder. They can also be used on any distro, whereas a Nix configuration file only works on NixOS.
Though the worst part about any new install is just signing back into everything, especially an annoyance when you have proper 2FA setup. Bash scripts or Nix can't solve that unless you migrate data over.
Yes, it's something you write yourself. Bash is the language you use when you use the terminal. A bash script is just many lines of bash commands.
A bash script could be as simple as
dnf install package1 package2 package3
dnf remove package4 package5 package6This script automates installing some packages and removing some packages. The bash script I use does a lot more, such as running commands to configure Gnome how I like it.
If you're not comfortable with the terminal, I would definitely recommend staying away from NixOS. To declaratively/reproducibly set up the system, it uses a language called Nix that is a fair bit more complicated than bash. It's also just very different from traditional Linux systems like Fedora or Ubuntu.
What is a bash script?
At this point in time, I need to stop you.
There's a massively-increased risk of you being misled by someone else's agenda without knowing it's not the simplest and most effective solution to your problem because there's a lot of technical stuff you may not know and can't pick from available options based on their nuances. So:
- find a real person you trust who knows this
- ask them
Whatever they tell you, they'll be able to support. Ensure you're the one typing so you learn things, and ask every question you think of all the time.
Stop asking random strangers which solution is best, because you're going to get a lot of short-sighted clique answers that DO NOT HELP YOU.
So the question is this: Do you want to be able to reproduce the system exactly, or are you fine taking a few hours to reinstall software. If you're just wanting to keep settings and data for apps rather than the apps themselves, you can cut down on your storage requirements a lot.
If it's the latter, all of your user settings should be in your home directory ("/home/username" or just "~"). If you back that up, you should be able to recover your settings and data on a fresh install of your distro of choice.
I'd jump on the bandwagon of nixos, I use it myself and love it, does exactly what you're asking for
However judging on some of your other comments it might be a better idea to just suck up having to manually rebuild until you understand the basics of Linux a little better
(nixos more or less requires you understand programming syntax for writing your system config)
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(nixos more or less requires you understand programming syntax for writing your system config)
It's technically not a real programming language but an expression language. The difference is that the former is a series of commands to execute in the specified order to produce arbitrary effects while the latter is a declaration of a set of data. You can think of it like writing a config file i.e. in JSON format.
The syntax isn't really the hard part here. You can learn the basics that comprise 99% of Nix code in a few minutes.
The actually hard part is first figuring out what you even want to do and then second how the NixOS-specific interface for that thing is intended to be used. The former requires general Linux experience and the latter research and problem solving skills.
It's hard to say whether it's difficult or not coming into it already knowing how to program
More people than not struggle to come to terms with what a variable is let alone all the stuff you can do in nix
There are definitely other hard parts, but I didn't want to write a wall of text lol
While that's certainly true, using NixOS usually does not involve many advanced concepts or requires you to understand them.
You can set foo = bar in a .conf file without knowing what a variable is either.
I'm going to mention Ansible as I haven't seen it mentioned, and it can be used to locally manage a reproducible build.
It has already been mentioned, but as a minimum to replicate your system you need two things:
- Transfer/copy your entire /home directory as there is where the majority of the configuration files of your system pertaining the software you use (there could be configs you could need on /etc and on /usr/local or other dir), that is why it is recommended to partition your disk on installation of your distro, so the /home directory is already separated, as if you reinstall in the same machine you don't lose any configuration in addition to your personal documents/pictures/etc
- Have a way to automatically install a list of programs/apps/drivers/libraries, and that is what something like a bash script, Ansible, nixOs, etc. could help you with.
The truth is that using any of the tools in the second point requires learning a bunch, so if your skill level is still not there, there is some work to do to get there.
I’m going to mention Ansible
Oh for the love of god, don't. Ansible is 2002 technology used in 2024. It's so clunky and janky that I'm relieved I can get chatgpt to boilerplate my stuff and save me time actually staring at fucking YAML all day. Use Anything Else before your brain rots.
source: it's like half my day job now and I should've charged more.
Can you just make a base image and then clone the image across. You would need to change the machine ID but that's pretty easy to do.
Alternatively you could use Ansible pull on a fresh install to set everything up
You install it and then save a copy of the disk. This is very similar to a VM template so I will just link instructions for that. The difference is you are using physical hardware.
Oh from reading what’s in the link, it looks like it’s exactly what I need.
I’ll go deeper into it.
Would you know why I'm getting that error? :
I've already allowed access to all system files through Flatseal.
I tried it normally but then it had another problem so that’s why I tried to gove it more access through Flatseal as recommended on the SaveDesktoo Github page.
I’ll have a deeper look when I get the time. Thanks
I’ve managed to create an archive with SaveDesktop, but only on my internal disk drive as I think the external drive was what was creating the problem.
Do you know what would be the difference if I backup or don’t my home file? I’d have to find a way to back it up outside of home, but it’s complicated since it doesn’t work with an external drive.
I mean I don’t think I can backup home with Savedesktop inside home, so I’ll have to look at my file structure once I can get back in front of my computer.
I think the reason why it didn’t work on your external drive is that is a different permission to system files. Something to do with usb stuff.
When it comes to backing up your home files, I’m not sure what you mean by home file? Do you mean the home folder? Cause if so I don’t think SaveDesktop can do that as that includes all your files, not just your configs. You’d have to use another tool to move those folders.
Sorry as I’m struggling to express clearly.
SaveDesktop has the option to backup your home folder.
I was thinking that the save destination had to be outside of the home folder if I wanted to also backup my home folder. Otherwise it could end up in some kind of loop where the archive would contain itself and get bigger and bigger. That’s why I thought the SaveDesktop archive with the home folder shouldn’t be saved inside home.
I hope It nakes more sense 😅
I'd happily give technical advice but first I need to understand the actual need.
I don't mean "what would be cool" but rather what's the absolute minimum basic that would make a solution acceptable.
Why do I insist so much? Well because installing a distribution, e.g. Debian, takes less than 1h. Assuming you have a separate /home directory, there is no need to "copy" anything, only mounting correctly. If it is on another physical computer then the speed will depend on the your storage capacity and hardware (e.g. SSD vs HDD). Finally "configuring" each piece of software will take a certain amount of time, especially if you didn't save the configuration (which should be the case).
Anyway, my point being that :
- installing the OS takes little time
- copying data across physical devices take a lot more time
- configuring manually specific software takes a bit of time
So, if you repeat the operation several times a week, investing time to find a solution can be useful. If you do this few times a year or less, it's probably NOT actually efficient.
So, again, is this an intellectual endeavor, for the purpose of knowing what an "ideal' scenario would be or is it a genuine need?
Well I don’t distro hop so I don’t think it would be used more than once a year.
The only thing is that I would want the way I’ve configured Gnome, Joplin, Thunderbird, Gnome Calendar (only for the widget), my Gnome extensions, what program is automatically opened on what workspace, etc to be saved so that it could be reproduced on another computer easily.
My documents, pictures, etc are already taken care of so it ain’t a problem.
I know I could do the same thing by writing a tutorial and just spending a couple of hours every time I reinstall. But I would want to just be able to replicate my install/settings if possible.
Someone kindly mentioned SaveDesktop and for now it seems like the way to go since simply cloning with Clonezilla doesn’t seem to work. I just have to make it work.
The only thing is that I would want the way I’ve configured Gnome, Joplin, Thunderbird, Gnome Calendar (only for the widget), my Gnome extensions, what program is automatically opened on what workspace, etc to be saved so that it could be reproduced on another computer easily.
These sound like user settings that don't even exist outside ~/ . Rsync is your friend. So is git, gluster, syncthing, resilio, and a good bunch of others depending on how often you want synch to occur and how much time you have to spend.
Clonezilla covers this, it regens the partition with the correct uuid.
My guess is some uefi or other boot weirdness, you have to register keys with the new system during install before it will let you boot, that's probably where things went wrong.
you need to fix the UUID
Don't use UUIDs. They serve a very specific purpose, which you're now trying to defeat (for all the right reasons).
Fix your mounts and then carry on.
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I just discovered the source of all your problems by reading your previous post.
The Surface Go 1 is a UEFI system. The Acer Aspire 5737z is a legacy BIOS system and thus can't boot UEFI partitions. If your Aspire was a UEFI system, what you did probably would have worked just fine - no need for a special snazzy distro (no offense, NixOS users).
I'm actually extremely surprised no one noticed this before me.
From here, you have a few routes:
- Flash the install to the drive, and try to downgrade it to a legacy BIOS system.
- I would not recommend doing this. Your life will probably become a living nightmare. If you love pain, though, here's a forum post to get you started: askubuntu.com/questions/910409…
- Reinstall Fedora and copy just your Gnome config over - from what I can tell, it's just a few directories.
- This is a Python script that says it exports all that crap for you, but what do I know? I just use XFCE.
- Buy a slightly newer device (maybe 2012/2013-ish at the earlist, probably originally designed for Windows 8.x) that support UEFI so you could just use the image.
- Honestly, I am a bit conflicted on this option, as I don't exactly like not reusing the Aspire. However, this may be the easiest way out, and maybe you could put the Aspire to use as a server in a home lab instead.
- Try NixOS like others have been saying. Learning things is fun when you have the time - I don't, and so stick with Debian.
That's not necessarily the problem here.
Normally, Fedora would boot on both types of systems, too. However, OP wants to copy an already-existing UEFI install or at least the config to a legacy system, not (necessarily) to find a distro that could be installed from a normal live installer on both boot types.
Thus the Nix recommendations, as theoretically, one centralized config could be copied between systems to create a similar environment on different systems.
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The Houthis are just fulfilling their international obligation:
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG), or the Genocide Convention, is an international treaty that criminalizes genocide and obligates state parties to pursue the enforcement of its prohibition.
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Running ‘Doom’ on E. coli cells… very, very slowly
Running ‘Doom’ on E. coli cells… very, very slowly | Popular Science
It would take nearly 600 years to finish playing this MIT student's iteration of the classic video game.Andrew Paul (Popular Science)
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TL:DR the cells dont run doom, they are used as a screen.
still impressive, but it would be nice if these articles could be honest. same with the pregnancy test "running" doom
still didnt answer the question at heart:
can the duck run (or at least display) doom?
Amid ongoing protests by ex-Pakistan PM Imran Khan’s party, mobile services remain suspended in Rawalpindi, Islamabad for third day
Amid ongoing protests by ex-Pakistan PM Imran Khan’s party, mobile services remain suspended in Rawalpindi, Islamabad for third day
Mobile services remain suspended in Rawalpindi and Islamabad for third day amid PTI protest, road closures, and increased security measures also reported.The Hindu
This Week in KDE Apps: Marble gets an update, KDE Connect gets a speed boost, and Kate gets all fluttery
Welcome to a new issue of “This Week in KDE Apps”! In case you missed it, we announced this series a few weeks ago, and our goal is to cover as much as possible of what's happening in the world of KDE apps and supplement Nate's This Week in Plasma published yesterday.
This week we had new releases of Tellico and Krita. We are also covering news regarding KDE Connect, the link between all your devices; Kate, the KDE advanced text editor; Itinerary, the travel assistant that helps you plan all your trips; Marble, KDE's map application; and more.
This Week in KDE Apps
Welcome to a new issue of “This Week in KDE Apps”! In case you missed it, we announced this series a few weeks ago, and our goal is to cover as much as possible of what's happening in the world of KDE apps and supplement Nate's This Week in Plasma pu…This Week in KDE Apps
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Kate adds out of the box support for debugging Flutter projects.
Whew, that title had me worried it was being rewritten with Flutter
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How nice of them, I asked them to add links to the apps, as I don't know what they are by the name.
Thanks :)
Izzard nailed it.
And Hitler ended up in a ditch, covered in petrol, on fire, so, that's fun! I think that's funny, ‘cause he was a mass-murdering fuckhead. And that was his honeymoon as well!
One of these parties actively campaigns and passes legislation to block my access to health care and wants to make my existence in public illegal. Their supporters regularly say people like me need to be beat or murdered. I have had this happen in person, to my face, by a family member.
The other party actively tries to block the harmful legislation and passes protections for me. Their supporters are at worse indifferent to my existence but are often supportive of my navigation through my struggles.
To be able to ignore these differences and put words in other other minority's mouths shows an extreme level of privilege.
Dog poop drone cleans up the yard so you don't have to
Finally, a good use for drone and AI/ML technology!
From the maker of the poop-shooting laser turret and the AI/ML poop image detector.
Dog Poop Drone Cleans Up The Yard So You Don’t Have To
Sometimes you instantly know who’s behind a project from the subject matter alone. So when we saw this “aerial dog poop removal system” show up in the tips line, we knew it had to…Hackaday
[SOLVED] Cronjob with `hdparm -y` to spin down hard disks?
Solution:
hd-idle is the way to go (if you read their README, they explain that most drives don't support idle timers)
I've been looking into spinning down the drives of my NAS, as I use it infrequently and that brings power drain down from ~30W to ~17W.
Problem is, hdparm -S doesn't seem to do anything for these particular drives: if I set it and wait for the appropriate amount of time (eg. 5 seconds if set to 1) the drives are still reported as "active/idle" and power drain doesn't go down.
Both hdparm -y and hdparm -Y work fine, but I don't seem to be able to find settings for them in tlp (probably because they are commands rather than settings?).
Besides the caveats about disks living longer if they are kept spinning, are there reasons why I shouldn't setup a cron job (well, a systemd timer) that runs hdparm -Y every 10 minutes? (for example, could hdparm -y cause errors if run while the drive is being backed up?)
PS:
According to hdparm's manpage, -y puts the drive standby mode while -Y puts it into sleep mode. Considering that in my case power drain seems the same either way, should I prefer one or the other?
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Besides the caveats about disks living longer if they are kept spinning,
I think that's not necessarily true. I think spinning 24/7/365 has its downsides too, higher temperatures and others I'm less certain about.
are there reasons why I shouldn't setup a cron job (well, a systemd timer) that runs hdparm -Y every 10 minutes? (for example, could hdparm -y cause errors if run while the drive is being backed up?)
because you'll often shut it down while someone would be using it. and then it can spin up immediately. the processes accessing it would probably hang for half a minute or such.
there is a better solution, hd-idle, as said in the other response
Use -B instead.
Sets Advanced Power Management feature. Possible values are between 1 and 255, low values mean more aggressive power management and higher values mean better performance. Values from 1 to 127 permit spin-down, whereas values from 128 to 254 do not. A value of 255 completely disables the feature.)
Hey I see that you found hd-idle.
Last time I tried to use it it wasn’t compatible with smartmon.
I would take smartmon over spin down every day of the week.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume the reason you have this problem with power is that you’re running a zfs/md-raid 5 or whatever. It may be a good idea to get away from that configuration. When you write a file to a 3 disk pool with parity, all three drives spin up. The details are a whole nother can of worms but the way that operating systems, busses and hbas interact with disks make this even worse.
I got away from that situation with a mergerfs/snapraid setup where my disks are jbod and writing a file to the pool only spins up one disk (with some caveats) and parity calculation is done at night as a snapshot all at once.
I do not think this saves power, although my power use has been very low in this configuration. I do think this saves drives, because snapraid is decently judicious with spin up/spin down work, amassing all the changes first then calculating what to put where and doing that all at once.
If your primary concern is power use and hard disk life, consider a ssd pool. The density and power consumption are why datacenters switched to them and why 3.5 racks are so cheap now in comparison.
Nasrallah, Netanyahu agreed to a truce before Israel assassinated Hezbollah leader: Report
Nasrallah, Netanyahu agreed to a truce before Israel assassinated Hezbollah leader: Report
Lebanese Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib said in an interview with CNN that both Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had agreed to a temporary truce just before Israel killed Nasrallah in a massive air …MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
Or, uh, maybe this story is simply false and mistaken reporting.
In fact, it appears Israel was not a party to this proposal, which was floated by the United States. In order for a ceasefire to work, you gotta get all of the belligerents on board.
Manawanui, the navy's specialist dive and hydrographic vessel, ran aground near the southern coast of Upolu on Saturday night as it was conducting a reef survey
I think they found the reef.
China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories
China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories
In response to the trade war, the Asian giant is investing billions of dollars abroad in plants, especially in industries linked to the energy transitionGuillermo Abril (Ediciones EL PAÍS S.L.)
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"it's just supplemental" would have initially worked to describe us industry shifting out
investment is finite, so if you have the choice between a and b, investing more money in a is by definition investing in a at the expense of b
it occurs when it's economically more efficient to move industry out of your country than to keep it in
unless you're suggesting china will willingly run the bulk of its industry with decreasing efficiency over time for the sake of keeping lower paying jobs domestically
These developments look increasingly structural. The authorities' stance since 2020, including regulatory tightening and zero-COVID lockdowns, appear to have inflicted long-lasting damage to China's private economy, the dynamism of which was a defining feature of its economic miracle in the past four decades. Nearly 20 months into China's COVID reopening, the private sector has yet to bounce back, despite many pro-private business utterances and gestures from China's leadership.
i'm not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy
A lot of companies should have sunk in covid and been consumed by more prepared ones.
either way, mass company failure due to covid doesn't imply anything about the split of china's economy going forward
it occurs when it's economically more efficient to move industry out of your country than to keep it in
It is not, generally speaking, more economically efficient to deindustrialize your own country. The logic you are using is neoliberal with "efficiency" meaning, "maximize profit for the financial sector". This is an arrangement planned due to US-based economic crises and should not be projected onto China like some iron law. The US, as the global seat of capital, is uniquely harmful.
i'm not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy
The thing they wanted you to see were the statistics, not the guesswork and editorialization from that article.
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It is not, generally speaking, more economically efficient to deindustrialize your own country
china is literally taking money that they could invest in domestic industry and investing it in industry overseas
i guess now you get to explain why they're doing that if some form of economic efficiency isn't the answer
The thing they wanted you to see were the statistics, not the guesswork and editorialization from that article.
"don't look at that bit of the source i just chose to show you" would be an astounding bit of mental gymnastics
china is literally taking money that they could invest in domestic industry and investing it in industry overseas
This does not address what I said. Foreign direct investment is not the same as deindustrializing your own country. There are also more subtle, or at least often ignored, financial aspects regarding balance of payments and derisking from the dollar and eventual attempts at decoupling.
i guess now you get to explain why they're doing that if some form of economic efficiency isn't the answer
What do you think economic efficiency is?
"don't look at that bit of the source i just chose to show you" would be an astounding bit of mental gymnastics
The expectation is that you engage critically so that you can match up the source with the part they are talking about. In this case, it is that the balance between public and private ownership has shifted towards public in recent years.
Instead of engaging with what parent was talking about, instead an editorializing quote was found and now we are talking about that and other poor attempts at wit.
Foreign direct investment is not the same as deindustrializing your own country
and as i said at the outset, "we're just investing elsewhere" is how us outsourcing started
"they're not doing it at the expense of hollowing out their domestic industry" is a completely baseless claim when following an equivalent timescale the same would have been true about the us
What do you think economic efficiency is?
ratio between resources expended to resources produced
The expectation is that you engage critically so that you can match up the source with the part they are talking about.
they were using the source to argue that china is intentionally moving away from private ownership. the source saying that the move is unintentional is absolutely materially relevant, and it's laughable that you'd accuse me of failing to engage critically when you missed that.
and as i said at the outset, "we're just investing elsewhere" is how us outsourcing started
You are confusing yourself. In this thread, the things we went back and forth on in this segment is your claims about sending industry overseas and economic efficiency.
As I said, deindustrializing your own country is not economically efficient. Try your hardest to stay germane.
"they're not doing it at the expense of hollowing out their domestic industry" is a completely baseless claim when following an equivalent timescale the same would have been true about the us
Everything you have said is baseless speculation that China's FDI is going to follow the exact same path as that of the US, which was backed by finance. But both the geopolitical and economic foundations are different, as I have explained. We have not discussed this with any depth because you are illogically talking in circles despite me having already addressed this silly vibes-based point.
ratio between resources expended to resources produced
A ratio? So you quantify it? Quick, what was China's economic efficiency for 2023! Presumably it's just a number that, if represented by a fraction, is less than 1. Every political economist would love to learn that the thing you just made up is actually a very important statistic.
they were using the source to argue that china is intentionally moving away from private ownership.
There is only one (1) sentence where they talk about this and they didn't say that. If I had to guess, you are projecting your reaction.
the source saying that the move is unintentional is absolutely materially relevant, and it's laughable that you'd accuse me of failing to engage critically when you missed that.
Yeah that's obviously the part I said was editorializing. You have confused yourself again. Maybe take a little break from trying to get some "owns" in? They're not landing like you think they are.
Again, you're thinking from a perspective of a market economy which China is not.
i’m not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy
I'm sure that saving countless millions of lives and preventing people from becoming sick and turning into a strain on the healthcare system is actually very good for the economy.
Again, you're thinking from a perspective of a market economy which China is not.
no, i'm thinking from the perspective of resources being finite, which they are
also, i don't think you know what a market economy is. china literally calls itself a market economy
I'm sure that saving countless millions of lives and preventing people from becoming sick and turning into a strain on the healthcare system is actually very good for the economy.
the meme of "countless millions of lives" aside, you making this argument means that you accept that china shifting more to state-capitalism than regular capitalism isn't intentional, so i'm not sure what point you're trying to make
no, i’m thinking from the perspective of resources being finite, which they are
Resources being finite has fuck all to do with where manufacturing happens.
also, i don’t think you know what a market economy is. china literally calls itself a market economy
China is a state planned economy where markets act as an allocator. The state makes the decisions where the resources should be allocated however. That's the difference from actual market economies where allocation happens completely organically based on the whims of the investors.
In fact, what China actually calls itself is a birdcage economy where the market acts as a bird, free to fly within the confines of a cage representing the overall economic plan. informaconnect.com/a-birdcage-…
the meme of “countless millions of lives” aside, you making this argument means that you accept that china shifting more to state-capitalism than regular capitalism isn’t intentional, so i’m not sure what point you’re trying to make
It's always adorable when people use terms they have very shallow understanding of. There is a fundamental difference between regular capitalism and what you refer to as state capitalism. The purpose of labor under regular capitalism is to create capital for business owners. Capital accumulation is the driving mechanic of the system, hence the name. Meanwhile, the purpose of state owned enterprise is to provide social value such as building infrastructure, producing food and energy, providing healthcare, and so on.
The point I'm very obviously making is that the state has very different goals from private capital, and thus it allocates labor differently. If this is a point that you have trouble understanding then maybe you can spend a bit more time educating yourself on the subject instead of debating a subject you clearly have a very tenuous grasp of.
Resources being finite has fuck all to do with where manufacturing happens.
china invents capability to snap fingers and materialize manufacturing capability out of thin air
The state makes the decisions where the resources should be allocated however.
i'm not willing to have this debate with you over whether china is a market economy when i've literally provided you a source that quotes china calling itself a market economy
It's always adorable when people use terms they have very shallow understanding of.
you mean like when you said china wasn't a market economy, despite china saying they were a market economy? and then when you accused me of using terms i didn't understand then providing a description of those terms that showed i'd used them accurately? what point do you think you're making here?
The point I'm very obviously making is that the state has very different goals from private capital
you're trying to make that point by pointing to a shift away from private capital, which is a completely meaningless statistic because the shift away from private capital wasn't intentional so doesn't imply anything about an economic plan going forward
i literally spelled that out for you last time and you still chose to deliberately miss it
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china invents capability to snap fingers and materialize manufacturing capability out of thin air
If by that you mean China spends decades building out manufacturing capacity and setting up supply chains then sure.
i’m not willing to have this debate with you over whether china is a market economy when i’ve literally provided you a source that quotes china calling itself a market economy
I've literally provided you with the source explaining the context of markets within the Chinese economy and explained why your understanding is superficial. Clearly you don't care about actually understanding the subject you're opining on.
you mean like when you said china wasn’t a market economy, despite china saying they were a market economy?
Literally explained to you why it's not, you didn't bother addressing any of that and just continued bleating about China being a market economy. Really showing the quality of your intellect here.
you’re trying to make that point by pointing to a shift away from private capital, which is a completely meaningless statistic because the shift away from private capital wasn’t intentional so doesn’t imply anything about an economic plan going forward
LMFAO
i literally spelled that out for you last time and you still chose to deliberately miss it
if you work on your reading comprehension a bit, then you'll see that I've addressed your nonsense already
If by that you mean China spends decades building out manufacturing capacity and setting up supply chains then sure.
i'm sitting here arguing that china has invested more than zero in setting up external manufacturing, then suddenly you forget what your point is, and emphasize just how much china has invested in setting up external manufacturing
you're so absolutely rabid to just disagree with anything i say, you're willing to render the chain of your argument completely incoherent to do it
yes, china spending decades building out supply chains for external manufacturing inherently means they're less invested in domestic industry, or they wouldn't spend decades to do it
I've literally provided you with the source explaining the context of markets within the Chinese economy and explained why your understanding is superficial.
you're arguing with china's interpretation of their own economy by providing a non-mutually exclusive definition
good job
then you'll see that I've addressed your nonsense already
again, combined with the "LMFAO" above this is completely incoherent
maybe work on addressing the argument i've spelled out to you multiple times rather than falling back on the tried and true "well your reading comprehension is bad" like we're 12 year olds arguing in the youtube comments section
if you're so sure you've addressed it, quote it, and i'll do the reading comprehension for you and explain to you why the thing you quoted isn't actually addressing anything
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you’re so absolutely rabid to just disagree with anything i say, you’re willing to render the chain of your argument completely incoherent to do it
The only one incoherent here is you bud because you're discussing a topic you don't understand. This is a perfect example of you being incoherent:
yes, china spending decades building out supply chains for external manufacturing inherently means they’re less invested in domestic industry, or they wouldn’t spend decades to do it
China is not developing external manufacturing at the cost of domestic manufacturing, nor is there anything inherent here. China is increasing capacity to supplement the domestic capacity. The fact that you can't even understand such basic things is frankly phenomenal.
you’re arguing with china’s interpretation of their own economy by providing a non-mutually exclusive definition
Yeah, I'm arguing that Chinese understand how their economy works better than an ignorant internet troll.
incoherent
That word you keep using doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
if you’re so sure you’ve addressed it, quote it, and i’ll do the reading comprehension for you and explain to you why the thing you quoted isn’t actually addressing anything
This is not a long thread, go back and read it instead of making vapid replies here.
China is increasing capacity to supplement the domestic capacity.
being less dependent on a thing automatically makes you less invested in a thing, but this is besides the point
if you spend decades of effort ramping up manufacturing in one location (away), then that's decades of effort you didn't spend ramping up manufacturing in another location (at home)
i literally cannot fathom how you're so furious to be wrong that you're still arguing contrary to that
I'm arguing that Chinese understand how their economy works better than an ignorant internet troll.
well china say their economy is a market economy, and you say otherwise, so i guess this puts you firmly in the ignorant internet troll camp
This is not a long thread, go back and read it instead of making vapid replies here.
your last three replies haven't even been making an argument. they've just been quibbling over some definitions you're wrong about, and shooting yourself in the foot by making my case for me.
what are you even doing here?
being less dependent on a thing automatically makes you less invested in a thing, but this is besides the point
If I have two apples and I buy a third apple then I'm not less invested in the two apples I already had. Let me know if I need to explain this in simpler term for you.
well china say their economy is a market economy, and you say otherwise, so i guess this puts you firmly in the ignorant internet troll camp
Well China doesn't say that, and linked you an article explaining what China actually says. Feel free to keep ignoring that and regurgitating nonsense though.
If I have two apples and I buy a third apple then I'm not less invested in the two apples I already had. Let me know if I need to explain this in simpler term for you.
you just gave me an example that proved my point
if you have two apples, you can afford to lose one of those apples less than if you had three apples. try again.
you also probably wouldn't spend a decade obtaining an orange if you were only interested in your two apples forever and ever.
you also replied to the bit that i explicitly called out as not relevant, which is hilarious
"if you only have time to go to one shop, then going to the grape shop means you can't go to the apple shop"
did it get through to you? are you about to reply telling me that any shop that sells grapes would realistically also sell apples or something? that seems in line with the quality of debate you've been providing thus far.
Well China doesn't say that, and linked you an article explaining what China actually says.
literally linked you a source referencing china explaining their own economy
and again, the interpretation you linked to isn't mutually exclusive with "market economy"
did it get through to you?
Oh yes, you've further confirmed that you have no clue.
if you have two apples, you can afford to lose one of those apples less than if you had three apples. try again.
Having more apples doesn't make your existing apples less valuable. In terms of production, this translates into demand. As long as your demand is growing ALL your factories are just as valuable.
did it get through to you?
literally linked you a source referencing china explaining their own economy
If you can't even understand what the article says then there's no point having further discussion.
and again, the interpretation you linked to isn’t mutually exclusive with “market economy”
It's not an economy where the market makes decisions where labor and resources are allocated. The government decides that and the market acts as an allocator within that context. If you can't understand how that's different from a market economy then you have no business having this discussion because you don't understand what you're talking about.
Having more apples doesn't make your existing apples less valuable.
having a surplus of apples means you value an individual apple less, yes
that's how the concept of "having things" works
As long as your demand is growing ALL your factories are just as valuable.
so if 20% of your factories are now somewhere else, whereas before it was 0%, then the share of value taken up by domestic factories has decreased, as has the share of demand they're managing to satisfy by domestic factories
if china completely stops building new factories at home, and in 30 years 90% of their factories are abroad, and 10% are at home, would you say their industrial base had been "hollowed out", even though the absolute number of factories at home is the same?
If you can't even understand what the article says then there's no point having further discussion.
i pointed out that there was no point discussing this further when you said that china was wrong about their own economy, but for some reason you insisted on it
It's not an economy where the market makes decisions where labor and resources are allocated. The government decides that and the market acts as an allocator within that context.
this is like saying "the government doesn't decide that; steve from the finance department decides that", or "the market doesn't decide that; a distributed network of private investors decides that"
if the government bases their decisions off the market, then the market is the one making those decisions, just like steve is making his decisions based on what he's been told to do from the government, and just like investors are making their decisions based on what they think the market is telling them to do
you can quibble about how the same market effects will produce different results, but the result is still a market economy
i'm genuinely so excited for your next fruit analogy that accidentally explains why you're wrong
having a surplus of apples means you value an individual apple less, yes
Nope, that's not how any of this works. If you have constant demand for the good, you value all the factories producing the good equally. The fact that you can't get this through your head is frankly incredible.
Anyways, it's pretty clear that having a rational discussion with you is not possible since all you do is just regurgitate the same nonsense over and over. I'll let you have the last word that you evidently crave. Have a good one bud.
my guy i already had the last word of consequence like 5 posts back when you stopped actually responding to things i was saying in a coherent way and started arguing with china
since then it's all been for the love of the game
If you have constant demand for the good
quite literally, you're now arguing with your own hypothetical
"As long as your demand is growing" -> not constant demand
but it doesn't matter because i foresaw your difficulty with this one, and addressed both the case of constant demand and growing demand
all you do is just regurgitate the same nonsense over and over
maybe check your post history i think the call might be coming from inside the house on this one
you are comically bad at backing up a worldview you evidently hold so strongly, and it's utterly fascinating to me
"it's just supplemental" would have initially worked to describe us industry shifting out
The difference being that China is not neoliberal. This does not coincide with deindustriakization, crushing unions, maximizing "free markets", etc. It also does not correspond to anything like the regimes the US used to make offshoring in its own interests, namely to force imbalanced export economies on other countries premised on unequal exchange and a dollar-heavy (im)balance of payments. Worst case scenario of success is that other countries, particularly in Africa, develop industry, infrastructure, and good jobs while China gains trading partners and stays heavily industrialized, as they care for their real economy.
investment is finite, so if you have the choice between a and b, investing more money in a is by definition investing in a at the expense of b
At the level of entire countries this logic can break down. For example, third world countries have to figure out what to do with all these dollars they receive from their imbalanced export economies. You can't just spend it on anything, yiur country needs to function and you can't buy everything from everyone at fair prices this way.
The difference being that China is not neoliberal
i'd respond to this paragraph but you really haven't made a coherent argument past "us bad china good"
At the level of entire countries this logic can break down.
no, because resources are always finite. the resource doesn't have to be "money".
i'd respond to this paragraph but you really haven't made a coherent argument past "us bad china good"
Please try your best to engage in good faith and not make things up. There's plenty for you to ask about or engage with if you have the interest.
no, because resources are always finite. the resource doesn't have to be "money".
The original topic was investment, which includes money and is relevant to the balanve of payments issue, particularly with African countries with th3 aforementioned imperialized economies. You cannot understand, for example, offshoring, without understanding unequal exchange, and this makes what might seem like a finite resource problem into one where you must think about coercion and graft and where production is directed.
Please try your best to engage in good faith and not make things up.
if you want, you can try restating the argument you were trying to make before you slipped and typed out a ramble about how the us is bad
The original topic was investment
money isn't the only thing you invest when you set up a manufacturing base
if you want, you can try restating the argument you were trying to make before you slipped and typed out a ramble about how the us is bad
Slipped up? I directly responded to the comparison to US offshoring that you made to explain why this is different. I guess you have no answer.
Please do your best to act in good faith. It's okay for you to say, "that's a good point, I will think about it" or not reply at all. It is not okay for you to make things up.
money isn't the only thing you invest when you set up a manufacturing base
If you took ten seconds to think about it, having any financial component makes my point correct and yours incorrect. Your zero sum game logic simply does not apply on multiple levels, as I have explained.
This might be clearer to you if you actually dealt with what I said instead of cherry picking.
I directly responded to the comparison to US offshoring that you made to explain why this is different.
and your argument boiled down "us bad china good"
If you took ten seconds to think about it, having any financial component makes my point correct and yours incorrect.
genuinely, what are you talking about?
- you can't invest in factories abroad without by definition investing less in factories at home because resources are finite
- us outsourcing started with "it's just supplemental" too, so you can't use that as a bulwark against any notion of further outsourcing
and you're coming at me to say that if money changes hands then that's not the case?
and your argument boiled down "us bad china good"
It doesn't, but you seem enamored with pretending this. If you actually responded to what I said rather than deflecting you might learn something. Or at least not repeat openly dishonest claims.
genuinely, what are you talking about?
The next sentence added all the context you should need. Zero sum logic doesn't apply here and part of the reason is the financial component. You'd be less confused if you engaged directly instead of dithering and avoiding what I say.
you can't invest in factories abroad without by definition investing less in factories at home because resources are finite
You keep repeating yourself rather than look at what I've already said. You would be less confused if you stopped avoiding my points about finance and neoliberal approaches and foreign direct investment and dollar recycling.
us outsourcing started with "it's just supplemental" too
I've already addressed this many times.
so you can't use that as a bulwark against any notion of further outsourcing
I don't even consider all FDI to be outsourcing, including this. This is because of the actual financial and geopolitical productive underpinnings of China's strategy. This is all part of BRI.
You are confused because you are just arguing with yourself rather than try and understand others.
If you actually responded to what I said rather than deflecting you might learn something.
restate your point if you fluffed it up the first time, but no, what you provided initially was devoid of anything worth responding to
You keep repeating yourself rather than look at what I've already said.
because what you've said is nonsense that doesn't address anything i'm saying
let's keep this real simple: do you agree or not with the fact that spending resources to set up a factory in location A means you, right now, have fewer resources to spend setting up a factory in location B?
if no, where do the additional resources come from in the here and now? and, more importantly, why has china not already constructed an infinite number of factories?
restate your point if you fluffed it up the first time
- Go back and re-familiarize yourself with what I've said. Make a real effort instead of relying on deflecting crutches. I'm not going to feed into your poor behavior.
- By your logic I don't need to, as I didn't "fluff" anything up.
but no, what you provided initially was devoid of anything worth responding to
If you would like to continue this conversion, you will have to respond to it. In fact, I will ignore the rest of what you say until you do. Good luck.
The EU Wants Chinese car factories to operate locally.
Chinese EV maker BYD welcome to open factory in France, French finance minister says
European nations compete for Chinese EV factories, jobs even as EU weighs tariffs
China's Dongfeng in pole position to build an auto plant in Italy - Italian sources
I'm not sure why we care. It's just simple competition, if your opponent is able to sell a cheaper product, either lower your price or deal with it. It's basic capitalism.
While I'm for tariffs on import to at least make cost equal to minimum wage for workers (to equate for the pay wage differential) if the factories are being built in house, it means they are following country standards including wages, I don't see the issue.
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Free market propaganda has never been applied under equal circumstances. It is rhetoric used by capital to reduce or destroy regulations, labor, national sovereignty, etc. Western industrialized capitalist coubtries built their industry and infrastructure using tariffs to protect it, then turned around and demanded the opposite from other countries so that they would have to buy their products and sell whatever those colonizer countries wanted (at the time, usualky raw materials).
Now that other countries are ascendant, US-based "free market" capital is gladly re-embracing protectionist logic. It has only ever been about maximizing their profits. The "theory" of free markets tails capital, it isn't a science or even a valid line of thought.
And this behavior is somehow sold to the public as a way to boost the economic wellness of the people living under the isolationist programs, but instead it enables profiteering corporations to exert more control over the artificially narrowed market space.
Locking the door with the fox(es) in the henhouse.
economics is far from a simple competition… things like game theory lead to monopolies being bad for everyone, and that’s what china wants in a lot of cases. the chinese government subsidises some of its industries dramatically so they can take over a global market and then slowly backs off the subsidies when they’ve killed their competition
it’s similar to microsoft’s embrace, extend, extinguish strategy
This is Western liberal cope.
China makes 5-year plans and publishes them. Building factories around the world is a massive planning effort. They are not reacting to tarrifs that were levied in the last 18 months. The tarrifs are a reaction.
China has been building international infrastructure, including factories, for years now. By the time a factory comes online to "avoid tarrifs" the tarrifs would have already had their maximal effect. Further, tarrif regimes can be changed in hours while factories take years to plan and execute. There is simply no way China is thinking they're going to outmaneuver recent tarrifs with factories.
It's nonsense
for the obvious benefit of having an uprising and potential revolution in Europe
You are a scary dude. Either you know and understand what you just said and don't give a shot about the horrors of that, or (more likely) you don't understand it, which somehow makes you scarier and more dangerous. You're one of those guys who loves to talk about revolutions without ever realizing the cost of that
You're exactly the same as those trump supporters who would never die for their convictions, but they'd happily see other die for it.
Fuck you
You're asking for people to be empathetic to an enemy on the internet. Good fucking luck with that. In real life I hope the people who call for violent revolution are just blowing off some steam and aren't actually advocating for the wonton destruction of uncountable lives. Like you I'm concerned they're not, but I've learned that there's no room for nuance online.
Which is why to everyone else I'm saying this, just because I said I don't want an enormous number of people to die, doesn't mean that I don't want to see capitalism fall. I just don't want to commit a Holocaust doing it. Now go ahead and downvote me now.
"The very concept of "revolutionary violence" is somewhat falsely cast, since most of the violence comes from those who attempt to prevent reform, not from those struggling for reform. By focusing on the violent rebellions of the downtrodden, we overlook the much greater repressive force and violence utilized by the ruling oligarchs to maintain the status quo, including armed attacks against peaceful demonstrations, mass arrests, torture, destruction of opposition organizations, suppression of dissident publications, death squad assassinations, the extermination of whole villages, and the like."
-Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds
Revolution has saved countless lives the world over, to denounce revolution without denouncing the incredible violence of the status quo is anti-Leftism.
Okay, so I never said never use violence or to just accept the status quo. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not so nieve that I think any real change won't happen without a lot of violence. Violence is distasteful and should be avoided, but is also sometimes necessary. If King Louis' head didn't get chopped off, I would probably have been born a literal serf instead of a modern version of one. If the oligarchs of today lost their heads I wouldn't feel a thing, when they bite the dust I don't. I just think the conversation on lemmy.ml needs to take a pause and think for a second. Cause it seems to me that many people here want to kill everyone who is higher up on the social ladder than they are. That just perpetrates the endless cycle of violence, it doesn't make a better world.
Sure the world would be better without Jeff Bezos, or Elon Musk, or many others. I've read discussions people seemed to take seriously suggesting that millions to tens of millions of people in their country deserve to die. Apparently saying don't kill people with complete disregard for the importance of life is a bridge too far for this part of the internet.
Cause it seems to me that many people here want to kill everyone who is higher up on the social ladder than they are
Can you explain? This doesn't seem to be the case at all. Maybe it's just that I'm a Marxist-Leninist and understand what other Marxists are getting at better.
I've read discussions people seemed to take seriously suggesting that millions to tens of millions of people in their country deserve to die
Do you have an example?
A bit nitpicky, but the idea behind SWCC isn't that the Capialists in the PRC are "the people's Capitalists" or anything, but that the State as a DotP allows market competition in a controlled manner similar to a birdcage. As these markets form monopolist syndicates, they centralize, and socialize, by which point the CPC increases public owership. Communism is achieved by degree, not by decree. Trying to achieve Communism through fiat has historically resulted in struggles and difficulties.
I recommend reading Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism for an overview of what that entails.
Hundreds of thousands march in London, demanding end to Gaza genocide
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/21087304
By MEE staff
Published date: 5 October 2024 19:45 BST[We need a lot more of these]
Hundreds of thousands march in London, demanding end to Gaza genocide
Hundreds of thousands of pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched through central London, calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and an end to the Israeli-led escalation across the Middle East.MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
‘Western Press Obscured the Sheer Terror of What Israel Had Carried Out’: CounterSpin interview with Mohamad Bazzi on Lebanon pager attacks (FAIR)
‘Western Press Obscured the Sheer Terror of What Israel Had Carried Out’: CounterSpin interview with Mohamad Bazzi on Lebanon pager attacks
"What unfolded in Lebanon last week was something dystopian, but it wasn't a movie. It affected real people's lives."FAIR
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The gripe is genocide. Supposedly the most unacceptable thing.
If not now, when?
Actually you and I have a third choice called not voting for either. You are under no obligation to vote for or support a genocide. You can, in fact, spend your efforts opposing it rather than carrying water for its perpetrators.
And I am not sure who told you that you have more leverage after elections rather than before, but they have no idea how leverage works or what building power looks like. But really, this is obviously not about strategy or organizing, but about how to justify yet again announcing support for the status quo - genocide edition.
Please actually oppose genocide instead of making excuses for it.
Protests after she is elected will be a lot easier and effective than a Trump administration.
wrong, when Good Team is in the white house, libs tend to turn off and not show up to protests/organize/etc because Good Team already won. when Bad Team gets in they at least pretend to care. a recent example you can look at is 2020, when trump was in office people were protesting police brutality, state repression etc. after 2020, not a peep, and more commonly active derision for protests.
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65% of Israeli Jews oppose criminal prosecution for soldiers suspected of raping Palestinian detainees (Mondoweiss)
65% of Israeli Jews oppose criminal prosecution for soldiers suspected of raping Palestinian detainees
A shocking new poll shows that almost two out of three Jewish Israelis oppose criminal prosecution for soldiers suspected of gang-raping Palestinian detainees at the Sde Teiman torture facility.Adam Horowitz (Mondoweiss)
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This article is already 6 weeks old but it's a good reminder that there seemed to be no convictions since then.
Rape is ingrained in israeli society.
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Oh yeah I was bringing it up again since some nerds are hovering over everything I post and I consider that an opportunity for remedial lessons.
A chatroom I have made many times is "Old News" and I think it might be a nice community addition. I wouldn't moderate it though, too many arguments!
It isn't rape. By Israeli law, only the rape of a citizen is considered rape.
You might not like it, but it's the law of the country and they have sovereign rights. And because all of you are just surface level wikipedia scholars that downvote with your gut instead of getting my point that all of you are looking at this wrong.
Because you can't think of any other way of looking at the world.
Is it a terrible thing? Yes
Do I hate it? Yes
Does Israel, by its nature as a recognized country, have every right to set its own laws? Yes
Got to say, I hit the nail on the head here.
Made all my analysis and educated guesses about your pathologies based solely on your spree of rage trolling comments back in the technology community.
I hadn't even bothered to look at your profile for other comments until just now....and I didn't even have to flick the screen down any to confirm my earlier diagnoses.
Seriously, get help.
I'm not sure how anyone can consider the act of rape to be in any way acceptable.
"65% of Israeli Jews defend violent sex offenses."
Interesting Engineering: Hybrid energy raft could power 1,000 homes a day with wave, wind, solar
NoviOcean’s wave power technology, developed over several years, has been tested in wave pools and a real environment near Stockholm. A small version powers homes on Svanholmen island, proving the concept works at sea.
On one square kilometer, 15 wave power plants can generate 15 MW, compared to offshore wind’s 10 MW. Combined, they can produce 25 MW, sharing the costs of the sea area and transmission cable.
According to the firm, the hybrid approach delivers more consistent energy, as waves generate power for days after the wind subsides. Additionally, wave plants can be placed closer to shore without visually disturbing the coastline.
Wave, wind, solar hybrid energy raft can power 1,000 homes daily
NoviOcean's innovative Hybrid Energy Converter combines wave, wind, and solar power, generating double the energy of wind alone.Jijo Malayil (Interesting Engineering)
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I speculate that this balanced out by the fact that a single one of these can more easily connect to the power grid and are more efficient to deploy and maintain in large quantities.
You could place these almost anywhere and they will generate something.
power 1,000 homes per day
Good that the journalist does not confuse kW and kWh but "homes" is a very understandable unit they somehow got wrong.
For fuck's sake, a microreactor could do all of this for the footprint of a bedroom (plus some additional space for the staff). It would work for years and constantly provide power with no issues from storms, dust, salt, or needing distributed maintenance (and environmental disruption) over a square km.
This isn's just some generic hand waving. Go look up the company Radiant. It's going to happen within a few years. Demonstration is slated for 2026.
Relevant link for those interested in what OP is talking about.
energy.gov/ne/articles/3-micro…
I’m not yet convinced this technology is the future or anything, but it does look pretty promising. We’ll know better when DOME testing begins in 2026.
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