I've just read about ClubsAll in the Fediverse Report and did some digging. It seems to be another Threadiverse service federating with Lemmy and others.
While I always welcome new platforms into the fediverse, there are some weird things with this one.
It isn't open source, but the developer mentioned on ProductHunt that they want to open source it in the future.
You can't run your own ClubsAll instance at the moment
They want you to join their Discord, but wouldn't it be better to have the conversation around it on ClubsAll itself? I've found a ClubsAll Community on ClubsAll but it only has two posts from 10 months ago without any comments or upvotes.
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I've just read about ClubsAll in the Fediverse Report and did some digging. It seems to be another Threadiverse service federating with Lemmy and others.
While I always welcome new platforms into the fediverse, there are some weird things with this one.
It isn't open source, but the developer mentioned on ProductHunt that they want to open source it in the future.
You can't run your own ClubsAll instance at the moment
They want you to join their Discord, but wouldn't it be better to have the conversation around it on ClubsAll itself? I've found a ClubsAll Community on ClubsAll but it only has two posts from 10 months ago without any comments or upvotes.
Their main search bar is just a Google search
They want to finance it through paid accounts, awards and donations according to their about page.
According to their privacy policy they collect interactions with the content, like voting, bookmarking and reporting to improve and personalize the website and to develop new products and services and for marketing and promotional purposes.
I haven't found content that originated on ClubsAll yet, apart from c/ClubsAll. All I'm seeing is content federated from Lemmy communities.
For me there are some red flags in there, like closed source code, paid accounts and data collection for marketing. But, correct me if I'm wrong.
A reddit clone, at least we are starting with that but there is a lot more planned. We have a long list of innovative features we will continue to add one by one.
Mastodon has officially launched a new version, a new Reddit-like with ClubsAll has launched, and IFTAS has started rolling out their content classifier system.
Mastodon launches version 4.3
Mastodon has released version 4.3, and the update comes with a better notification system, design improvements, displaying follow recommendations in the following feed for new accounts, and the ability to highlight the fediverse profile of the authors of shared articles.
There are two updates to the notification system: notifications are now grouped, and the ability to filter notifications. Grouped notifications means that you’ll see a summary of the number of people who liked and boosted your post, instead of getting each notification individually. This is especially helpful for posts that go viral, as your notifications become unusable without grouping. Third party clients also support grouping notifications of new followers, which Mastodon does not do. With notification filters, you can limit specific types of notifications, for example from people who are not following you, from new accounts, or to filter out unsolicited private mentions.
With the new carousel that displays follow suggestions for new accounts, Mastodon leaned on transparency. For each suggestion it is also displayed why an account is suggested. It seems there are four different reasons for an account to be suggested: ‘Popular on your server’, ‘Popular among people you follow’, ‘Similar to profiles you recently followed’ and ‘Handpicked by your server admins’.
For future plans Mastodon mentions three parts: working on adding quote posts, the ability for server admins to subscribe to managed deny-lists and improving how long-form text is displayed in Mastodon. Mastodon also features a request for donations at the end, noting that they are supported by donations and operate on less than 500k per year. It showcases the difficult spot that Mastodon is in: as the post highlights, their competitors have access to significant capital, which allows them to ship features significantly faster. While it is remarkable what Mastodon has accomplished with their budget, the small team also means that it has taken a year to ship this update 4.3, while the competition can move significantly faster. Not taking venture capital, not selling ads, and not selling data are great things to do, but the update cadence of Mastodon versus that of Bluesky or Threads shows that not doing so puts a significant limit on what the organisation can accomplish during this period of protocol wars.
ClubsAll has launched
ClubsAll is a new fediverse project, a Reddit-alternative similar to Lemmy, PieFed and Mbin. ClubsAll main goal is to provide a clean and easily-accessible UI, and explicitly positions itself as a Reddit alternative. The other focus is on live comments and live chat, where new comments that are made on a post flow in directly visible. The comment section includes both the traditional threaded view as well as a chatbox to invite more chat-like realtime reactions. Other features are easy cross-posting of new posts to up to three communities, and having multiple profiles under a simple login.
With their simplified communities, ClubsAll takes in posts from multiple communities from Lemmy, PieFed and Mbin, and brands them under a single club. This does solve a practical problem, namely that communities can get split over multiple servers, creating duplicates without a clear distinction between the different communities. It is unclear what the practical difference is between the fediverse community on lemmy.ml and the fediverse community on lemmy.world. PieFed solves this problem by having both communities (similar to Lemmy), as well as ‘topics’, which aggregates different communities into a single topic. PieFed makes it explicit that it aggregates posts from multiple communities. ClubsAll however, mostly hides this information, making it less clear that posts come from different platforms. I’m curious to see what the response to this by the community will be, as there are no clear norms so far on what is an acceptable use of federation, and what isn’t. When you take in posts from a different platform, what form of attribution is necessary? ClubsAll clearly attributes the original author, but should the original community also be accredited? The answer is unclear to me, and I’m watching to see how this evolves.
The News
IFTAS has been working on a Content Classification System, and the first classifier is now active. A few select server are working together with IFTAS, where all the media of these servers now get scanned for CSAM. In case of a hit, IFTAS handles the mandatory requirement and record-keeping, and issues a takedown. CSAM moderation is a difficult task for server admins to keep track of, both of the toll it takes on the humans, as well for the complex legal requirements that come with it.
NLnet has been a major sponsor of fediverse projects over the years. They announced the results their latest funding round this week in which they sponsor a large variety of open source project. The fediverse project that got funded is Loops, a TikTok-like short video platform by Pixelfed developer Daniel Supernault. Loops was scheduled for a public beta launch on Wednesday the 9th, but this has been delayed for 11 days. Supernault attributes the delay to the rumour that Threads is working on a Communities feature that is also supposedly called Loops, as well as to further polish the app and platform.
The SocialCG, the W3C Community Group for ActivityPub has agreed on starting work to form a charter to transition towards a Working Group. The details require some knowledge of W3C processes (that I don’t fully grok either), but the very short summary is that a Working Group has more impact on making changes to the ActivityPub protocol.
FediMod FIRES is both a protocol for distributing moderation advisories and recommendations and a reference server implementation. Emelia Smith, who is behind the project, has updated the website with more information as well as a general timeline for when work on the project happens.
ActivityPods is a project that combines the Solid protocol with ActivityPub, and they have released their 2.0 version. ActivityPods allows users to create a single account for multiple different apps; with ActivityPub you need a separate accounts for Pixelfed and Mastodon, for example. ActivityPods gives you one place to store your data, your Pod, based on the Solid protocol, and the Inbox and Outbox system of ActivityPub. This update of ActivityPods gives the ability to set granular permission levels for the access to data than an app has that is build on top of ActivityPods.
Seems a bit weird indeed, especially the closed source part and lack of details on how they implement federation (is it possible to follow a clubsall community from elsewhere?)
Reddit thread paints a sad picture. Product founder without a technical co-founder. Isn't able to articulate market fit. Doesn't trust his engineer's work. Yikes
With their simplified communities, ClubsAll takes in posts from multiple communities from Lemmy, PieFed and Mbin, and brands them under a single club. This does solve a practical problem, namely that communities can get split over multiple servers, creating duplicates without a clear distinction between the different communities. It is unclear what the practical difference is between the fediverse community on lemmy.ml and the fediverse community on lemmy.world. PieFed solves this problem by having both communities (similar to Lemmy), as well as ‘topics’, which aggregates different communities into a single topic. PieFed makes it explicit that it aggregates posts from multiple communities. ClubsAll however, mostly hides this information, making it less clear that posts come from different platforms. I’m curious to see what the response to this by the community will be, as there are no clear norms so far on what is an acceptable use of federation, and what isn’t. When you take in posts from a different platform, what form of attribution is necessary
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With their simplified communities, ClubsAll takes in posts from multiple communities from Lemmy, PieFed and Mbin, and brands them under a single club. This does solve a practical problem, namely that communities can get split over multiple servers, creating duplicates without a clear distinction between the different communities. It is unclear what the practical difference is between the fediverse community on lemmy.ml and the fediverse community on lemmy.world. PieFed solves this problem by having both communities (similar to Lemmy), as well as ‘topics’, which aggregates different communities into a single topic. PieFed makes it explicit that it aggregates posts from multiple communities. ClubsAll however, mostly hides this information, making it less clear that posts come from different platforms. I’m curious to see what the response to this by the community will be, as there are no clear norms so far on what is an acceptable use of federation, and what isn’t. When you take in posts from a different platform, what form of attribution is necessary? ClubsAll clearly attributes the original author, but should the original community also be accredited? The answer is unclear to me, and I’m watching to see how this evolves.
I can for sure tell you that !politics@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.ml are definitely not the same communities, and hiding that might give users some surprises
My post now federated to ClubsAll, comments seem to federate a little slower. There is no mention that this is content from lemmy.world and clicking on the fediverse "club" just gives a 404.
From a entrepreneur point of view, this looks like a clear monetization attempt. Gather content from federated communities, sell to investors on the name "fediverse". B2C is generally very hard to pull off because there's so much competition so I doubt they'll succeed, but there is that saying about seeing what sticks on the wall.
Also, from both a user and entrepreneur point of view, you need to break into markets by starting small. The fediverse heavily leveraged the open source community to get started. I personally would not be on Lemmy if Lemmy wasn't AGPL. ClubsAll doesn't have that.
With no ill intent, I hope they fail. They're not contributing, and we don't need proprietary cancer in the fediverse.
Any reason why they should be defederated, other than "we don't like closed source around here"?
I really don't mind closed platforms being federated as long as it doesn't hurt the rest of us in any way. If it brings in some users who are drawn in by the interface, that's great.
Of course, being a single site it might draw the wrong crowd, and end up having serious moderation problems. In that case of course defederation is a natural choice.
I don't think this will be much of a problem for the rest of us, as the users over there will also not be interested in posting in communities where they get fewer interactions. It sounds bad for people who want to start a community at cluball, but unless it somehow gets larger than the rest of the threadiverse combined it's not really much of a problem for the rest of us.
Not being able to host your own ClubsAll instance is another issue.
Let's take a hypothetical scenario - As they are on ProductHunt, they manage to raise a few millions, hire devs, develop every feature you can think about under the sun - Fediverse users move massively to ClubsAll to enjoy the new features, Redditors move too because it's better than Reddit - Over time, due to those new features and other "technical reasons",, federation with Lemmy and others becomes clunky, or completely stops - Meta / Google / Reddit buys ClubsAll and start to look how to extract a profit from the large userbase, enshittifies the mobile app, the web interface, etc.
Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.
From a entrepreneur point of view, this looks like a clear monetization attempt. Gather content from federated communities, sell to investors on the name "fediverse". B2C is generally very hard to pull off because there's so much competition so I doubt they'll succeed, but there is that saying about seeing what sticks on the wall.
Also, from both a user and entrepreneur point of view, you need to break into markets by starting small. The fediverse heavily leveraged the open source community to get started. I personally would not be on Lemmy if Lemmy wasn't AGPL. ClubsAll doesn't have that.
With no ill intent, I hope they fail. They're not contributing, and we don't need this sort of proprietary cancer in the fediverse.
I would guess it's rather just not implemented as a feature yet, as it's probably not a development priority.
Or maybe they figured the ClubAll-community could be closed off. But in general, it seems to be a project where missing features is the likely result of it still being at an early stage.
I think it'll be hard to be successful with that. Lemmy's userbase is small and not growing. Projects like KBin died. And we already have several frontends. Now someone introduces yet another one, just that it's not open source, not actively developed unless they pay a developer to fix something. It doesn't have a community yet. And I don't see any significant features that'd attract 100k new users or something. They don't seem to be invested for the same reasons the existing Lemmy community mingles here. And they're not eating their own dogfood but rather discussing it on Reddit... So maybe they're good at marketing? I think that'd be the only reason why something like this would take off and be successful.
I don't think it's censorship necessarily. Their approach to combine similar communities into one club could be the cause and maybe they just haven't set up the c/fediverse club yet.
Hi everyone, I’m Vinay, the founder of ClubsAll. I’ve noticed some negative sentiment, and I can understand why. I’ll do my best to clarify all the questions raised here.
clubsall.com/c/fediverse gives a 404, hiding posts such as the one we’re in. Very early censorship? Their approach to combining similar communities into one club could be the cause, and maybe they just haven’t set up the c/fediverse club yet.
Lemmy is too big to show everything. To keep costs low and due to some technical constraints with hosting, we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community. If we show everything, the database won't be able to handle it, and I won't be able to afford the hosting costs.
There is no mention that this is content from lemmy.world. This is intentional. For federated servers to really compete, complexity needs to be eliminated. One of the goals of ClubsAll is to simplify everyt
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Hi everyone, I’m Vinay, the founder of ClubsAll. I’ve noticed some negative sentiment, and I can understand why. I’ll do my best to clarify all the questions raised here.
clubsall.com/c/fediverse gives a 404, hiding posts such as the one we’re in. Very early censorship? Their approach to combining similar communities into one club could be the cause, and maybe they just haven’t set up the c/fediverse club yet.
Lemmy is too big to show everything. To keep costs low and due to some technical constraints with hosting, we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community. If we show everything, the database won't be able to handle it, and I won't be able to afford the hosting costs.
There is no mention that this is content from lemmy.world. This is intentional. For federated servers to really compete, complexity needs to be eliminated. One of the goals of ClubsAll is to simplify everything, so we hide servers, instances, multiple logins etc that can be confusing and overwhelming for a new user. We're innovating and trying something different to help the Fediverse succeed. However, if we’re violating any community guidelines or site policies, please let us know.
This looks like a clear monetization attempt. We just launched. Please give us time to survive and implement features before jumping to conclusions.
They’re not contributing, and we don’t need proprietary cancer in the Fediverse.
Sorry you feel that way. Keep in mind that we built everything from scratch. Federation is not currently implemented, and we’ll need time.
Personally, I hope they open source, because the interface is visually appealing and quite fast. What I expect is most instances defederating from them soon, killing the product in the process.
Thank you for the compliment! I do intend to open source ClubsAll once I get some help. I truly appreciate the feedback and hope we are not defederated.
Being a single site, it might draw the wrong crowd and end up having serious moderation problems.
This is insightful and another reason for us to prioritize federation.
Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.
That’s a valid concern. However, I’ll open source the project once I get some assistance, which should alleviate some of these fears.
If you query it like a federated platform would, it returns HTML rather than the required JSON.
Keep in mind, ClubsAll was built from scratch and is funded entirely out of pocket. We’ve done as much as we can with what’s currently online (and a couple of new features are coming soon that I’m testing).
It seems to be a project where missing features are likely due to it still being at an early stage.
That’s exactly right. This is the main reason. Unfortunately, our developer recently left, so we’re at a bit of a feature freeze for now, aside from a couple of things coming soon.
Lack of details on how they implement federation.
We built federation from scratch, so many features are still missing. Currently, we don't federate, so it’s not possible to follow from elsewhere at this time.
Do you have any idea of the timeframe when you’ll be able to open source the project?
I replied in the other thread, copy pasting here: Open sourcing is not time dependent. I just need 1. security review by someone experienced to make sure we do not instantly get hacked as soon as we open 2. and some commitment to fix critical bugs and hacks that will kill ClubsAll or steal resources
what are the languages used to develop ClubsAll Ah, good question. It is typescript, next, React, Cloudflare
security review by someone experienced to make sure we do not instantly get hacked as soon as we open
The source not being open will not prevent attackers from trying to hack your website as it currently online.
If you need help with having a look at the code, you can probably reach out to people here. You might want to shut the website down during the review so that if an issue is discovered it won't be exploited.
It is typescript, next, React, Cloudflare
Interesting, those are all front-end languages. Do you know which one was used for the back-end?
ClubsAll is an interactive online platform that empowers users to connect with people, engage in a wide range of discussions, and share content on a variety of topics.
There is discussion going around right now about if more instances should defederate from this project. If you have any updates on the points you mentioned above, please do share!
I have some feedback, and I hope it doesn't come across as being too hostile.
we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community
How are you planning to do this in the long run? Hand picking communities will be hard to scale I want to find the communities I like, and I'm not sure I'd like a curated feed like that.
A Lemmy instance doesn't show content from every other Lemmy instance out there, nor does it pull all communities from federated instances. For example, lemmy.ca doesn't pull content from every lemmy.world community, only the ones that our users search for and subscribe to. That keeps the server costs low and leaves it up to the users.
If this is a temporary thing for testing, then disregard :)
For federated servers to really compete, complexity needs to be eliminated. One of the goals of ClubsAll is
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There is discussion going around right now about if more instances should defederate from this project. If you have any updates on the points you mentioned above, please do share!
I have some feedback, and I hope it doesn't come across as being too hostile.
we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community
How are you planning to do this in the long run? Hand picking communities will be hard to scale I want to find the communities I like, and I'm not sure I'd like a curated feed like that.
A Lemmy instance doesn't show content from every other Lemmy instance out there, nor does it pull all communities from federated instances. For example, lemmy.ca doesn't pull content from every lemmy.world community, only the ones that our users search for and subscribe to. That keeps the server costs low and leaves it up to the users.
If this is a temporary thing for testing, then disregard :)
For federated servers to really compete, complexity needs to be eliminated. One of the goals of ClubsAll is to simplify everything, so we hide servers, instances, multiple logins etc that can be confusing and overwhelming for a new user.
Having helped some non-technical users get started with the fediverse, it's not actually that bad. Something like this would be more confusing because now you can't see where that user or post is coming from. I am otter@lemmy.ca, but there are other people with the username otter from other instances. Will we all look like the same user? What about similarly named communities from different places, which don't actually deal with the same subject matter.
Instead, would you consider keeping the servers and instances but making them smaller in the UI? That way it's not a distraction, but the information is still there.
Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.
That’s a valid concern. However, I’ll open source the project once I get some assistance, which should alleviate some of these fears.
The problem the fediverse is tackling is centralization, not lack of open source. That's what the comment was referring to. If the goal of this project is to be a one stop shop for all threadiverse content, you're not going to find much support here.
Reddit was once open source as well. Having the code available is helpful in some ways, such as by being open about the algorithms used, but it doesn't solve all problems. Similarly, without a way for others to host the software, it's hard to tell if that is the actual code running on the live server.
That’s exactly right. This is the main reason. Unfortunately, our developer recently left, so we’re at a bit of a feature freeze for now, aside from a couple of things coming soon.
That's totally ok, the fediverse has many projects like this in various stages of development. The concern expressed in this thread is less about what the project is doing now, and more about clarity on what the future plans are.
For example:
funding through donations instead of paid accounts, advertising, and user data
a confirmation on what kind of federation it will have
After some discussion with another fediverse developer, he recommended we move to sublinks library. I posted our tech plans here lemmy.world/comment/12922172. This will achieve a number of things - move db to postgres, deployment to docker/k8s, enable lemmy clients, make some security changes so our passwords are not exposed, this in turn will enable open sourcing and self hosting. This seems the best path forward.
2. We almost completed the move when we found out that sublinks library itself does not have federation implemented. I was told it will be picked up in 2025 but it is also being developer by volunteers, so the timeline is not certain. Since we almost finished move to sublinks, as soon as they have federation, we should be able to move very quickly since work on our side is mostly done.
How are you planning to do this in the lo
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Sorry for late reply.
I posted update elsewhere but here it is again
After some discussion with another fediverse developer, he recommended we move to sublinks library. I posted our tech plans here lemmy.world/comment/12922172. This will achieve a number of things - move db to postgres, deployment to docker/k8s, enable lemmy clients, make some security changes so our passwords are not exposed, this in turn will enable open sourcing and self hosting. This seems the best path forward.
2. We almost completed the move when we found out that sublinks library itself does not have federation implemented. I was told it will be picked up in 2025 but it is also being developer by volunteers, so the timeline is not certain. Since we almost finished move to sublinks, as soon as they have federation, we should be able to move very quickly since work on our side is mostly done.
How are you planning to do this in the long run? Hand picking communities will be hard to scale I want to find the communities I like, and I’m not sure I’d like a curated feed like that.
Core idea is to create a frontend for simple users who do not want to learn about servers and navigation to use a product. So we are starting with curated feed, once we have traffic, we can add features for advanced users to let users pick any community from any server.
Instead, would you consider keeping the servers and instances but making them smaller in the UI? That way it’s not a distraction, but the information is still there. A lot of people mentioned it this time around. So we will show the instance name along with username i.e. change from /u/otter to /u/otter@lemmy.ca . This should be live before 2025. Hope this addresses your concern.
The problem the fediverse is tackling is centralization, not lack of open source. That’s what the comment was referring to. If the goal of this project is to be a one stop shop for all threadiverse content, you’re not going to find much support here.
Understood. Not everyone has to or will agree with what others are doing. I am trying something different. I am only asking for not enforcing undocumented rules too hard until we have some minimum traffic like let's say 100 active users in a month (can be easily seen by who makes comments, Comments are federated). That should be reasonable to say "now you have some traction, do participate in community"
That’s totally ok, the fediverse has many projects like this in various stages of development. The concern expressed in this thread is less about what the project is doing now, and more about clarity on what the future plans are. For example: funding through donations instead of paid accounts, advertising, and user data a confirmation on what kind of federation it will have
It will have 2 way federation. As for funding, I am myself not sure, we have to try something different, whatever works. Again, while others may disagree, but are there rules on what not to do? What I see is that donation approach alone has not generated enough money for any server to be a real competitor. So are others free to try other things?
Looking forward to the sublinks migration, I know a lot of people were looking into it for when it becomes ready!
Core idea is to create a frontend for simple users who do not want to learn about servers and navigation to use a product. So we are starting with curated feed, once we have traffic, we can add features for advanced users to let users pick any community from any server.
Well rather, how will you pick which communities go in that feed? It's not a bad plan, but transparency would encourage your users to use that feed
Understood. Not everyone has to or will agree with what others are doing. I am trying something different. I am only asking for not enforcing undocumented rules too hard until we have some minimum traffic like let's say 100 active users in a month
With how new fediverse tech is, a lot of new rules will be "written" based on what people try. Obfuscating or misleading people on where content is coming from (which is the concern people are expressing here), seems like something people w
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Looking forward to the sublinks migration, I know a lot of people were looking into it for when it becomes ready!
Core idea is to create a frontend for simple users who do not want to learn about servers and navigation to use a product. So we are starting with curated feed, once we have traffic, we can add features for advanced users to let users pick any community from any server.
Well rather, how will you pick which communities go in that feed? It's not a bad plan, but transparency would encourage your users to use that feed
Understood. Not everyone has to or will agree with what others are doing. I am trying something different. I am only asking for not enforcing undocumented rules too hard until we have some minimum traffic like let's say 100 active users in a month
With how new fediverse tech is, a lot of new rules will be "written" based on what people try. Obfuscating or misleading people on where content is coming from (which is the concern people are expressing here), seems like something people will push back against.
A simple toggle would fix this issue
show the instances (default)
simplify my feed (removes the instances)
Again, while others may disagree, but are there rules on what not to do?
Nope, no rules on what not to do. Users and other instances are free to decide which ideas to support.
What I see is that donation approach alone has not generated enough money for any server to be a real competitor. So are others free to try other things?
I don't think any one instance is trying to be the replacement alone? That seems to be a big misunderstanding on what people want from the threadiverse. Despite network effects that limit growth, these instances continue to grow, self sustain from donations and grants, and prove how easy it can be to break away from the model big tech companies have adopted.
My view is that most people chose to use Lemmy/Mbin/PieFed/Sublinks over the established alternatives (ex. Reddit) because they didn't like how those alrernatives were being run.
As such, you might find it easier to build a userbase by avoiding what Reddit has done rather than try to emulate it
Well rather, how will you pick which communities go in that feed? It’s not a bad plan, but transparency would encourage your users to use that feed
Homepage should be based on communities with maximum subscribers. But with a login, each user can subscriber/unsubscribe and create their custom homepage. Yes, once we have some stability and traffic, we should publish these choices we made for transparency.
With how new fediverse tech is, a lot of new rules will be “written” based on what people try. Obfuscating or misleading people on where content is coming from (which is the concern people are expressing here), seems like something people will push back against.
Obfuscation was not the objective. Now after many complained, you can see real username and servername on each post.
As such, you might find it easier to build a userbase by avoiding what Reddit has done rather than try to emulate it
That is not my vision and I am ok if users decide this is not what they want and adoption fails.
Question for everyone here, how is everyone paying for hosting and development costs? While profit is not my motive, break even is needed for long term sustainability.
Stort narkotikabeslag vid husrannsakan. Polisen har utfört husrannsakan mot två butiker i Solna och Sundbyberg efter misstanke om att de sålde narkotikaklassade produkter. 100 kartonger togs i beslag.
Mitt på dagen idag sköts en man på en restaurng i ett köpcentrum i Sollentuna centrum. Han ska ha blivit skjuten med två skott. Mannen ska ha blivit skjuten inne i restaurangens kök.
I generally refrain from discussing politics anywhere I'm trying to have a good time. People are really bad at discussing political topics without getting all riled up. It's exactly the same as religious topics, people get weirdly combatant. I find it much easier to have a good time if you just keep that stuff to yourself as much as possible.
I have lost track of the times that a liberal/conservative acquaintance has completely gone off on one at me, completely oblivious to the fact that I'm biting my lip for the sake of politeness. The irony is that it's always "you can't say anything these days" etc etc I KNOW MATE, I CAN'T
Interesting, so based my on my brief reading am I understanding this correctly, that the Barbara Pit is a mass grave of Slovene and Yugoslav Fascists and Nazi collaborators?
People are really bad at discussing political topics without getting all riled up
Understatement of the century, lol. And social media's influence has only exacerbated the overall polarization/radicalization, making civil discussion in that area feel like even more of a pipe dream as time goes on.
I avoid it like the plague. Only a few people know my stance and as far as I am aware of its only people that interact with me outside of the internet. I'm not looking to change my mind and others aren't either. Changing one person to my thinking won't change anything and me changing to someone else's thinking won't change anything.
"This complaint is not only the largest ever submitted to the ICC, but it is also a milestone in documenting Israeli war crimes for future generations."
"This complaint is not only the largest ever submitted to the ICC, but it is also a milestone in documenting Israeli war crimes for future generations."
I've always been amazed that what was done to their people, they do to others. Just now I was shocked by the thought that ran through my mind: why would you be shocked and amazed that these people are doing everything the Father of Zionism advocated being done to his fellow Jews?
"Yes, we watched hundreds of thousands of children being killed, maimed, and starved—and we just kept watching," one writer said in response to the powerful clip.
In a day and age where the people are growing a part from they're own language, your asking alot of them. I guess it literally doesn't effect them much...
"Well, you see son, the perpetrators of that genocide were the victims of the largest genocide of the 20th Century, so nobody felt comfortable doing or saying anything."
The problem is that the minority that is uncomfortable doing or saying anything is backed by half the worlds carrier fleets and thousands of nuclear armed ICBMS.
I don't know, I still want to do something but I don't think street protests are enough. And I am against violence.
With Ukraine I donate money, early on I donated for buying drones. With Palestine it's so bad that I think donations won't reach them.
Source: I grew up in 3rd world countries where pacific protests for teachers salary are common place but won't solve anything. I've also lived in another 3rd world country with strong unions where at least once a month there was a 1000 people protest in the main street in the capital, plus ad hoc protests that are much bigger, and that country is still sinking very fast.
“Begs the question” frustrates me. I know language changes, I know I shouldn’t be prescriptivist about this.
But it always strikes me as someone trying to sound smart and failing. They think it’s a fancy way of conveying something it didn’t mean (though now it does because people used it so much without knowing what it meant).
I've been thinking about this exact question recently.
My Austrian grandmother and her sister were working class teenagers during the war. They couldn't realistically have done anything to stop the Nazis. They didn't really do much to help but since they were seamstresses they secretly snuck the Jewish family in the building some sewing supplies. It wasn't much and they stopped when they were told that someone had reported them to the Gestapo. Their experience during the war was dodging bombs and trying to find something to eat.
None of that matters. When I was a kid growing up in the US people regularly made Nazi jokes as soon as they found out about my heritage. Nobody was willing to entertain any ideas that maybe those civilians shouldn't have been held accountable.
History judged all of Germany and Austria harshly. It judged the civilians harshly and it judged their descendants harshly.
I understand the frustration, but blaming individuals for a government’s actions, especially in 2024, feels misplaced. The reality is, many of us feel powerless to influence our own governments, let alone foreign policies, especially when it comes to complex international conflicts like the one in Gaza.
The U.S. government has entrenched interests and a long history of unconditional support for Israel, sustained by billions in taxpayer dollars. Despite widespread protests and public outcry, these policies seem nearly immune to change. It’s disheartening, but the truth is, most citizens have little say in how their tax money is used, especially on issues where both major political parties are largely aligned.
Voting every four years feels inadequate when the system itself limits real choices and perpetuates the status quo. Yes, we can protest, but even that has its limits. The mechanisms of government and foreign policy are beyond our direct control, leaving many feeling like we’re just along for the ride—forced to watch, speak out, and hope for
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I understand the frustration, but blaming individuals for a government’s actions, especially in 2024, feels misplaced. The reality is, many of us feel powerless to influence our own governments, let alone foreign policies, especially when it comes to complex international conflicts like the one in Gaza.
The U.S. government has entrenched interests and a long history of unconditional support for Israel, sustained by billions in taxpayer dollars. Despite widespread protests and public outcry, these policies seem nearly immune to change. It’s disheartening, but the truth is, most citizens have little say in how their tax money is used, especially on issues where both major political parties are largely aligned.
Voting every four years feels inadequate when the system itself limits real choices and perpetuates the status quo. Yes, we can protest, but even that has its limits. The mechanisms of government and foreign policy are beyond our direct control, leaving many feeling like we’re just along for the ride—forced to watch, speak out, and hope for change that rarely comes.
So while we share the outrage, it’s unrealistic to act as if we, as ordinary people, have the power to stop a war machine fueled by vested interests. The whole system feels like it’s rigged to keep us eating the consequences, whether we like it or not.
Those with the power to end this tragedy refuse to understand that Palestinians cannot submit to a fate of being subhuman, says Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik
Every year has been catastrophic for Palestinians around the world, but the past 12 months have been unimaginable, writes Guardian columnist Arwa Mahdawi
And "if you're a third party presidential candidate voter, you're doing more to harm Palestinians than if you vote for either genocidal candidate." *The level of gaslighting defies credibility; yet here we all are.
And if you're a third party presidential candidate voter, you're doing more to harm Palestinians than if you vote for either genocidal candidate. The level of gaslighting defies credibility; yet here we all are.
VOTE for Genocide!
~~Lol no, get fucked nazi.~~
Edit: Turns out I was replying to sarcasm, unfortunately hard to tell these days
I don't think it's worth bothering arguing with them, anymore, since it tends to deflect from both major parties being the beneficiaries and at least sideline architects of genocide. I'm voting Claudia. I said what I said, nothing to argue about. Let them shadowbox.
Eta: didn't think I'd need the sarcasm tag, in my original comment. But I will add quotation marks.
When the third party candidate admits that their campaign is solely to siphon away votes from Democrats? And the Republican alternative has actively stated Palestine should be wiped out by Israel?
Can't vote Democrat because support of Israel. That means you also can't support Republicans, because they support the full extent of the genocide even more. And that means you can't support (most) 3rd party candidates, because the Green Party is primarily funded by Republican donors and, quote,
"Trump, has embraced Kennedy as an ally, has previously spoken fondly of both Stein and West.
"Cornel West, he's one of my favorite candidates," Trump said during a campaign rally in Philadelphia in June. "I like her also, Jill Stein, I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them. He takes 100%."
So that leaves us with... A candidate who at least is saying a 2 state solution, and one who told Israel to finish the job. Plus you know, all of the American focused policies, such as education.
With this in mind, and with how the ev
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When the third party candidate admits that their campaign is solely to siphon away votes from Democrats? And the Republican alternative has actively stated Palestine should be wiped out by Israel?
Can't vote Democrat because support of Israel. That means you also can't support Republicans, because they support the full extent of the genocide even more. And that means you can't support (most) 3rd party candidates, because the Green Party is primarily funded by Republican donors and, quote,
"Trump, has embraced Kennedy as an ally, has previously spoken fondly of both Stein and West.
"Cornel West, he's one of my favorite candidates," Trump said during a campaign rally in Philadelphia in June. "I like her also, Jill Stein, I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them. He takes 100%."
So that leaves us with... A candidate who at least is saying a 2 state solution, and one who told Israel to finish the job. Plus you know, all of the American focused policies, such as education.
With this in mind, and with how the events of 2016's election turned out, you can understand why people are suspicious about 3rd party voting, right?
By "How 2016 turned out" you mean the Democrats ran a conservative, establishment Democrat when literally everyone was saying we want change? Then she was beaten by an "outsider" and the Democrats went all 'shocked Pikachu face' and blamed progressives for their choices?
Dems think that we owe them our votes while they refuse to represent us. That is not democracy.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
I don't use an ad blocker anymore but I do pay for a bunch of services and I always pick ad free. I never see ads really.
If I were to use an ad blocker I would set up a pie hole or similar. I had that before and it worked pretty well but with the server side ads on YouTube you would still see those.
Only for Android though. If you use iOS, switch to Android and you'll also get a really Firefox browser with ublock origin that blocks all the ads compared to that 30something% what every iOS browser does.
Newpipe is fucking great. Does what I want it to and doesn't do what I don't want it to. Favorite thing about it is the ability to easily download video or audio.
Yeah, the perks of the Android ecosystem. There's also a version for Android TV such as NVIDIA Shield. Again just works and filters out ads and sponsor segments.
I remember when I first noticed YouTube had ads. They've had them a while but before they got ads I had installed an ad blocker. So when I was setting up a new laptop and just testing if everything worked I loaded up a YouTube video and suddenly there was a pre roll playing and I wondered "What the fuck is this ... Ah yes still need to install an ad blocker"
did you use the internet in '92 or something? because even in mid to late 90s the ads were so cancerous that pop-up blocking eventually became a standard feature of browsers before ad blockers were even a thing.
My first contact with the web (I had been in the internet for some time already) was when a collegue at university told me about the Arena browser, and this new system, "like Gopher, but with Hypertext and pictures". And yes, I've seen the CERN website, served from Tim Barners-Lee's NeXT cube, too.
So yes, I knew the web before there were ads, the internet when services were normally open to all sides, and when people on the internet that were actually much smarter than average.
Seriously. Someone never clicked on the "you are an idiot" popup that auto-played music, moved around the screen, prevented task manager from opening and cloned itself if it was closed.
The installers for every major software company riddled every single computer with adware. And you needed a compsci degree to get rid of it. Weren’t there lawsuits over that shit, that led to regulations? I remember that happening. It’s not like they were going to stop doing that of their own accord.
At least those were a) just banner ads and b) not as annoying as modern JS/HTML5/popup/popover ads are. You just scrolled down a few pixel, and had 100% information.
Yes we had 3 more years where numerous other variants of things like pop-up/under ads, ads that ran malicious java script, infinitely self-replicating pop-ups, ads that instantly played music at full volume, ads that kept opening themselves again as you closed them, and so on.
Basically, the time when ads were not super intrusive, on the web, was a fleeting time, in its infancy. Didn't even make it 6 years before ad blockers were required to safely use the web.
If you click the ad does the company have to pay like a fraction of a cent or something for a click through? Like if I always click on the ads can I make them pay for having waisted my time if it’s only a little bit?
That's the idea behind the AdNauseum browser extension. "Click" on every single ad so that the data becomes worthless and the companies that are advertising have a negative return on investment. But it does mean that the ad server company gets more money.
I have adblock on my Mac, but not on the PS5. Whenever I watch YouTube on my TV via PS5, I have to open and close videos sometimes 10 or 15 times before they just play the video I've clicked on and not some obnoxious 45 second long advert for some bullshit I don't want and won't use. Honestly not sure why YouTube finds it so hard to play the video I clicked on and not random other videos. I also tend to stop watching vids as soon as an ad break happens.
I work with a marketing department full time and they're exactly as annoying as expected, always pissing about on tiktok or Instagram creating shit that nobody could possibly feasibly care about.
Is there an alternative to YouTube on PS5 that doesn't have adverts? Or is there some way to get adblocking on there?
I believe you would need a pihole, is like a ad block but in the entire network, so you could even use the official youtube app on a tv and not get any ad
Pihole hasn't made any difference on devices like smart TVs and consoles for years, at least in my experience. It really sucks but they broke me and I bought premium family because we use YouTube a lot on non pc devices and I hate ads so much
So I have a conspiracy theory around that. Android used to put the volume slider at the top of the screen. At some point they moved it to the right side, and now blocks the skip button on YouTube. I won't doubt this was done on purpose, so if you lower the volume for an ad, you will be forced to watch more of it.
I’m to the point that if whatever I’m watching/doing pops an ad at me, I reflexively make a snap judgement on whether I want to continue watching/doing whatever it is. Often the answer is ‘no’ and I’ll just bail entirely.
Basically me every time I open a website on my work laptop, where I cannot add browser extensions because of IT policies.
I honestly cannot fathom why large companies don't include at least simple adblockers in their browser configurations. I don't even need to block youtube ads, the banners on stackoverflow are bass enough). Would probably save fairly significant amounts of bandwidth, too.
because then things would just shut down... The poor suckers that don't use adblockers are what pay the bandwidth and hosting costs for those of us that do. If it becomes the default, things would either shutdown or go paywall.
On my Roku TV I can't block ads, when they play I mute the TV and look away. I am absolutely the level of autistic that I think I'm "winning" by doing this.
I remembered a scene of a black mirror episode: if the person looked away the ads will stop until the person watch it again and it's unavoidable ... I wonder if this will be a reality one day
Reading your reply made me think ... it's possible that implying such technology might help rising Free & Open Source culture more ... given that FOSS apps are usually ad-free and with no tracking
Honestly the best thing about FOSS is that money isn't driving all the decisions. Most open-source projects are built because the dev just wants to build something cool or useful, or they're trying to solve specific problems. Most individual devs don't really care if their user count goes up every quarter. Personally I've been maintaining a chrome extension for about 10 years, and it's sat happily with about 7000 users that entire time. I built it because I wanted to use it, and I've declined several offers to buy the extension and monetize it.
Admittedly the usefulness has gone down a little bit in the last couple years now that GitHub themselves have made code diffs and some other things full width by default.
When I first wrote this I had just gotten a giant 4K display at work and was really annoyed I still had to scroll left and right with the page only covering 1/3 of the screen.
If I'm watching YouTube on my TV, I mute it when anything longer than a 5 second ad comes on. If what I'm watching is less than 10 minutes, I'll just back out and start in again, usually it will come up without the ad, then seek to where I left off. Although oftentimes lately, I'll be watching a 5 minute video, and I'll get 1 minute in and get hit with an unskippable 2 minute ad, I just quit YouTube for the day.
Tbh I figured they have bots crawling social media to find out what people are using to avoid their annoying, intrusive, abusive practices and use that to get ever more obnoxious.
I mean the concept is pretty simple, all they have to do is make whatever the content it is not play without the verification.
Now I do have to say, it does come down to what is the system we do want? We can agree we don't want intrusive ads. We can say that the paid for services are too expensive. But at the end of the day when we refuse to pay for the content, and then bypass the ads, we do leave content creation in a rough spot. We've kind of reached a point where we need a new system. Yet all we seem to do is try and find ways to break the existing one.
I would say there's been a mass migration from Twitter to Mastodon and from Reddit to Lemmy. The current numbers are still a small fraction of the original services, but the federated services have reached a critical mass where they now offer comparable value. YouTube hasn't been ubiquitous for that long and it's already pretty enshittified. I see a lot of people who are fed up with it and looking for an alternative. The peertube platform is there, I think with more people and content and it'll join the ranks.
Not even kidding, my dad watches YouTube on this smart TV and when an ad pops up he covers his eyes and screams until he finds the mute button. He then keeps covering his eyes until he can fully skip the ads.
Honestly I disagree... From what I've heard from app developers etc... ads generate far less money than even $1 app sales. Now maybe that's the brokers etc... But there's also a reason why Hulu shut down their purely ad supported tier, and none of the big companies are leaning into that. Only "subscribe and get ads" lower dollar tiers.
I'm no super expert, but I think ads are still very inefficiant ways to make money... the profit per customer is very small even with the most privacy invasive blast you away with everything aspect. I don't claim to be an expert, but it appears to me an ad supported service needs around 100x more users to make the same money as a low cost service. However, in actual userbases it goes closer to 1000x when that offer is on the table.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to squirrel • • •For additional context:
- reddit.com/comments/1fz55mo/co…
- clubsall.com/about
Seems a bit weird indeed, especially the closed source part and lack of details on how they implement federation (is it possible to follow a clubsall community from elsewhere?)
squirrel
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Another weird thing from the reddit thread:
like this
Fitik likes this.
OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •like this
Fitik likes this.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to squirrel • • •I can for sure tell you that !politics@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.ml are definitely not the same communities, and hiding that might give users some surprises
squirrel
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Absolutely.
My post now federated to ClubsAll, comments seem to federate a little slower. There is no mention that this is content from lemmy.world and clicking on the fediverse "club" just gives a 404.
squirrel
in reply to squirrel • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to squirrel • • •OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to squirrel • • •From a entrepreneur point of view, this looks like a clear monetization attempt. Gather content from federated communities, sell to investors on the name "fediverse". B2C is generally very hard to pull off because there's so much competition so I doubt they'll succeed, but there is that saying about seeing what sticks on the wall.
Also, from both a user and entrepreneur point of view, you need to break into markets by starting small. The fediverse heavily leveraged the open source community to get started. I personally would not be on Lemmy if Lemmy wasn't AGPL. ClubsAll doesn't have that.
With no ill intent, I hope they fail. They're not contributing, and we don't need proprietary cancer in the fediverse.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to OsrsNeedsF2P • • •Personally, I hope they open source, because the interface is visually appealing and quite fast.
What I expect is most instances defederating from them soon, killing the product in the process.
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Fitik likes this.
cabbage
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Any reason why they should be defederated, other than "we don't like closed source around here"?
I really don't mind closed platforms being federated as long as it doesn't hurt the rest of us in any way. If it brings in some users who are drawn in by the interface, that's great.
Of course, being a single site it might draw the wrong crowd, and end up having serious moderation problems. In that case of course defederation is a natural choice.
like this
Fitik likes this.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to cabbage • • •Based on another comment, they are not federating their communities to the other Lemmy instances.
They might be blocking this as a way to keep their future users on their site rather than allow them to instance jump.
cabbage
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to cabbage • • •Not being able to host your own ClubsAll instance is another issue.
Let's take a hypothetical scenario
- As they are on ProductHunt, they manage to raise a few millions, hire devs, develop every feature you can think about under the sun
- Fediverse users move massively to ClubsAll to enjoy the new features, Redditors move too because it's better than Reddit
- Over time, due to those new features and other "technical reasons",, federation with Lemmy and others becomes clunky, or completely stops
- Meta / Google / Reddit buys ClubsAll and start to look how to extract a profit from the large userbase, enshittifies the mobile app, the web interface, etc.
Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.
OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to squirrel • • •From a entrepreneur point of view, this looks like a clear monetization attempt. Gather content from federated communities, sell to investors on the name "fediverse". B2C is generally very hard to pull off because there's so much competition so I doubt they'll succeed, but there is that saying about seeing what sticks on the wall.
Also, from both a user and entrepreneur point of view, you need to break into markets by starting small. The fediverse heavily leveraged the open source community to get started. I personally would not be on Lemmy if Lemmy wasn't AGPL. ClubsAll doesn't have that.
With no ill intent, I hope they fail. They're not contributing, and we don't need this sort of proprietary cancer in the fediverse.
RobotToaster
in reply to squirrel • • •It also doesn't seem to federate their own communities to lemmy.
(Unless I'm doing it wrong, !clubsall@clubsall.com should work right?)
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to RobotToaster • • •They might be blocking it so that their users would stay on clubsall.
Like a very early user retention mechanism
cabbage
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I would guess it's rather just not implemented as a feature yet, as it's probably not a development priority.
Or maybe they figured the ClubAll-community could be closed off. But in general, it seems to be a project where missing features is the likely result of it still being at an early stage.
Andrew
in reply to RobotToaster • • •If you query it like a federated platform would, it returns HTML rather than the required JSON, so links like that won't work.
curl --header 'accept: application/activity+json' --location https://clubsall.com/c/ClubsAllAdemir
in reply to Andrew • • •clubsall.com/c/ClubsAll doesnt federate too.
Ah ok, gotcha. nvm.
hendrik
in reply to squirrel • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to squirrel • • •Also noted clubsall.com/c/fediverse gives a 404, hiding posts such as the one we're in. Very early censorship?
clubsall.com/posts/celebrities…
squirrel
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •RobotToaster
in reply to squirrel • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to RobotToaster • • •vinay_clubsall
in reply to squirrel • • •Hi everyone, I’m Vinay, the founder of ClubsAll. I’ve noticed some negative sentiment, and I can understand why. I’ll do my best to clarify all the questions raised here.
... show moreLemmy is too big to show everything. To keep costs low and due to some technical constraints with hosting, we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community. If we show everything, the database won't be able to handle it, and I won't be able to afford the hosting costs.
Hi everyone, I’m Vinay, the founder of ClubsAll. I’ve noticed some negative sentiment, and I can understand why. I’ll do my best to clarify all the questions raised here.
Lemmy is too big to show everything. To keep costs low and due to some technical constraints with hosting, we had to prioritize what would be most useful to the broader community. If we show everything, the database won't be able to handle it, and I won't be able to afford the hosting costs.
Sorry you feel that way. Keep in mind that we built everything from scratch. Federation is not currently implemented, and we’ll need time.
Thank you for the compliment! I do intend to open source ClubsAll once I get some help. I truly appreciate the feedback and hope we are not defederated.
This is insightful and another reason for us to prioritize federation.
That’s a valid concern. However, I’ll open source the project once I get some assistance, which should alleviate some of these fears.
Keep in mind, ClubsAll was built from scratch and is funded entirely out of pocket. We’ve done as much as we can with what’s currently online (and a couple of new features are coming soon that I’m testing).
That’s exactly right. This is the main reason. Unfortunately, our developer recently left, so we’re at a bit of a feature freeze for now, aside from a couple of things coming soon.
We built federation from scratch, so many features are still missing. Currently, we don't federate, so it’s not possible to follow from elsewhere at this time.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to vinay_clubsall • • •Hello,
Thank you for commenting here! Do you have any idea of the timeframe when you'll be able to open source the project?
Also, what are the languages used to develop ClubsAll? Asking as depending on them the number of people able to help would vary.
vinay_clubsall
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I replied in the other thread, copy pasting here: Open sourcing is not time dependent. I just need
1. security review by someone experienced to make sure we do not instantly get hacked as soon as we open
2. and some commitment to fix critical bugs and hacks that will kill ClubsAll or steal resources
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to vinay_clubsall • • •Thank you for coming back
The source not being open will not prevent attackers from trying to hack your website as it currently online.
If you need help with having a look at the code, you can probably reach out to people here. You might want to shut the website down during the review so that if an issue is discovered it won't be exploited.
Interesting, those are all front-end languages. Do you know which one was used for the back-end?
irelephant
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to irelephant • • •Thank you for the precision.
Reminds me that clubsall.com/ is still up, not sure how they are doing with two ways federation
Home - ClubsAll
ClubsAllOtter
in reply to vinay_clubsall • • •There is discussion going around right now about if more instances should defederate from this project. If you have any updates on the points you mentioned above, please do share!
I have some feedback, and I hope it doesn't come across as being too hostile.
How are you planning to do this in the long run? Hand picking communities will be hard to scale I want to find the communities I like, and I'm not sure I'd like a curated feed like that.
A Lemmy instance doesn't show content from every other Lemmy instance out there, nor does it pull all communities from federated instances. For example, lemmy.ca doesn't pull content from every lemmy.world community, only the ones that our users search for and subscribe to. That keeps the server costs low and leaves it up to the users.
If this is a temporary thing for testing, then disregard :)
... show moreThere is discussion going around right now about if more instances should defederate from this project. If you have any updates on the points you mentioned above, please do share!
I have some feedback, and I hope it doesn't come across as being too hostile.
How are you planning to do this in the long run? Hand picking communities will be hard to scale I want to find the communities I like, and I'm not sure I'd like a curated feed like that.
A Lemmy instance doesn't show content from every other Lemmy instance out there, nor does it pull all communities from federated instances. For example, lemmy.ca doesn't pull content from every lemmy.world community, only the ones that our users search for and subscribe to. That keeps the server costs low and leaves it up to the users.
If this is a temporary thing for testing, then disregard :)
Having helped some non-technical users get started with the fediverse, it's not actually that bad. Something like this would be more confusing because now you can't see where that user or post is coming from. I am otter@lemmy.ca, but there are other people with the username
otterfrom other instances. Will we all look like the same user? What about similarly named communities from different places, which don't actually deal with the same subject matter.Instead, would you consider keeping the servers and instances but making them smaller in the UI? That way it's not a distraction, but the information is still there.
The problem the fediverse is tackling is centralization, not lack of open source. That's what the comment was referring to. If the goal of this project is to be a one stop shop for all threadiverse content, you're not going to find much support here.
Reddit was once open source as well. Having the code available is helpful in some ways, such as by being open about the algorithms used, but it doesn't solve all problems. Similarly, without a way for others to host the software, it's hard to tell if that is the actual code running on the live server.
That's totally ok, the fediverse has many projects like this in various stages of development. The concern expressed in this thread is less about what the project is doing now, and more about clarity on what the future plans are.
For example:
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Otter • • •vinay_clubsall
in reply to Otter • • •Sorry for late reply.
I posted update elsewhere but here it is again
2. We almost completed the move when we found out that sublinks library itself does not have federation implemented. I was told it will be picked up in 2025 but it is also being developer by volunteers, so the timeline is not certain. Since we almost finished move to sublinks, as soon as they have federation, we should be able to move very quickly since work on our side is mostly done.
... show moreSorry for late reply.
I posted update elsewhere but here it is again
2. We almost completed the move when we found out that sublinks library itself does not have federation implemented. I was told it will be picked up in 2025 but it is also being developer by volunteers, so the timeline is not certain. Since we almost finished move to sublinks, as soon as they have federation, we should be able to move very quickly since work on our side is mostly done.
Core idea is to create a frontend for simple users who do not want to learn about servers and navigation to use a product. So we are starting with curated feed, once we have traffic, we can add features for advanced users to let users pick any community from any server.
Understood. Not everyone has to or will agree with what others are doing. I am trying something different. I am only asking for not enforcing undocumented rules too hard until we have some minimum traffic like let's say 100 active users in a month (can be easily seen by who makes comments, Comments are federated). That should be reasonable to say "now you have some traction, do participate in community"
It will have 2 way federation. As for funding, I am myself not sure, we have to try something different, whatever works. Again, while others may disagree, but are there rules on what not to do? What I see is that donation approach alone has not generated enough money for any server to be a real competitor. So are others free to try other things?
Otter
in reply to vinay_clubsall • • •Looking forward to the sublinks migration, I know a lot of people were looking into it for when it becomes ready!
Well rather, how will you pick which communities go in that feed? It's not a bad plan, but transparency would encourage your users to use that feed
... show moreWith how new fediverse tech is, a lot of new rules will be "written" based on what people try. Obfuscating or misleading people on where content is coming from (which is the concern people are expressing here), seems like something people w
Looking forward to the sublinks migration, I know a lot of people were looking into it for when it becomes ready!
Well rather, how will you pick which communities go in that feed? It's not a bad plan, but transparency would encourage your users to use that feed
With how new fediverse tech is, a lot of new rules will be "written" based on what people try. Obfuscating or misleading people on where content is coming from (which is the concern people are expressing here), seems like something people will push back against.
A simple toggle would fix this issue
Nope, no rules on what not to do. Users and other instances are free to decide which ideas to support.
I don't think any one instance is trying to be the replacement alone? That seems to be a big misunderstanding on what people want from the threadiverse. Despite network effects that limit growth, these instances continue to grow, self sustain from donations and grants, and prove how easy it can be to break away from the model big tech companies have adopted.
My view is that most people chose to use Lemmy/Mbin/PieFed/Sublinks over the established alternatives (ex. Reddit) because they didn't like how those alrernatives were being run.
As such, you might find it easier to build a userbase by avoiding what Reddit has done rather than try to emulate it
vinay_clubsall
in reply to Otter • • •Homepage should be based on communities with maximum subscribers. But with a login, each user can subscriber/unsubscribe and create their custom homepage. Yes, once we have some stability and traffic, we should publish these choices we made for transparency.
Obfuscation was not the objective. Now after many complained, you can see real username and servername on each post.
That is not my vision and I am ok if users decide this is not what they want and adoption fails.
vinay_clubsall
in reply to squirrel • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to vinay_clubsall • • •You can have a look at this thread: lemmy.world/post/19466047
Long story short:
- user donations
- infrastructure that the admin was going to pay for anyway