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Frequently Asked Questions: Thunderbird Mobile and K-9 Mail
An evolving list of frequently asked questions about Thunderbird on Android, and K-9 Mail joining the Thunderbird family.Jason Evangelho (The Thunderbird Blog)
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Hacking the T2S+ Out of Fear: Get Lock-In Thermography for Free
Hacking the T2S+ Out of Fear: Get Lock-In Thermography for Free
Hacking the T2S+ v2 to work on computers, tear it down for the first time online, and play with lock-in thermography as a bonus!dmytroengineering.com
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As far as semi conductor research goes the Chinese industry lags only 2 years behind. A few years ago the gap was about 8 years.
Despite History of Fabrication, Press Uncritically Covers IDF-Provided Documents on Hamas
Earlier this month, the New York Times (10/12/24), Washington Post (10/12/24), and Wall Street Journal (10/12/24) each published front-page articles based on different sets of documents handed to them by the Israeli military.
Israel claims it seized all the documents—in the form of meeting minutes, letters and planning documents—in its ground invasion of Gaza, and that they reveal insights into Hamas’s operations prior to the October 7 attacks. The documents include alleged evidence of Hamas’s pre-10/7 coordination with Iran, plans to blow up Israeli skyscrapers, and even a scheme to use horse-drawn chariots in an attack from Gaza.
Documents received directly from intelligence agencies should always be treated with skepticism, and that’s especially true when their government has a well-documented history of blatant lying. Yet leading newspapers took these Israeli document dumps largely at face value, advancing the agenda of a genocidal rogue state.
Despite History of Fabrication, Press Uncritically Covers IDF-Provided Documents on Hamas
Documents received from intelligence agencies should be treated with skepticism,especially true when their government has a well-documented history of lying.scheerpost.com
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The global fertility crisis: are fewer babies a good or a bad thing? Experts are divided
The global fertility crisis: are fewer babies a good or a bad thing? Experts are divided
The UK’s fertility rate is at an all-time low, and many other countries face similar declines, creating ageing populations. But can ecological benefits of fewer people outweigh social problems created?Andrew Anthony (The Guardian)
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The issue with the wild life annihilation is that it is occurring in the poorest parts of the world. What do we do to stop them? Invade, order them to just stay poor? Import the world's poorest into the wealthiest countries? Mass sterilization of the poor? All of those sound fascist AF.
Offer education, contraception, and healthcare universally, regardless of border. This would tank the birthrate in a non fascist way, which is an objectively good thing. This weird procapitalist idea that we need or should want or really could sustain 8+ billion apex predators is ridiculous. In no ecosystem is that sustainable, even if the predators are smart enough to stop directly predating in other animals.
We should genuinely be striving for the least number of people that still allows the highest quality of life, with a further constraint being the lowest impact to the rest of the environment. Make no mistake, everyone regardless of immutable or even mutable status should be allowed to have kids if they want, but we shouldn't want or need to frame it as something essential to continue continuity of wage labor.
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Really, we should just work towards keeping the world population stable and bring everyone out of poverty
Not that we have to try particularly hard, the population is stabilizing off by itself
We're 8 billion people on the planet, we aren't running out anytime soon
Imagine how many lives would be improved of people who only wanted children when they are ready had children.
Everyone wins.
Eventually all the labor will go to machines and AI anyway. Nothing will be lost.
Don't vote "for/against whoever". Vote against trump like an adult - that means voting democrat.
Sure, picking between two options that you don't want is legitimately hard for human brains to do. But republicans have promised and begun to brutalize minorities at ever larger scales, and are objectively worse than democrats on everything that matters.
Handing the reins of state power to fascists has never improved life for leftists or humanity.
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Yeah, that makes it very hard to vote for them, I feel that. But that's a problem that gets worse by not voting for a democrat.
Republicans have promised to genocide harder and trump has already been coordinating with netanyahu to counter anything that might reduce palestinans deaths.
I don't like it either but it's time to be an adult, do the unpleasant thing, and vote for a democrat.
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It's more so that they can FEEL like they did the right thing. Not that they did the right thing.
It's all about optics. If they vote for a Democrat and post a picture with their "I Voted" sticker, then they get internet points! Then they don't have to be worried about getting canceled by their peers who they swear up and down don't cancel people because that goes against their fake "live and let live" ideology.
Sure I voted for genocide, but I did it the way all of Hollywood did, so I'm cool and part of the club! It's the acceptable form of genocide support!
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I'm not in USA but if there are 2 movie style bad guys and 1 says pick me I'll kill strangers, and 2 says pick me I'll kill strangers and your friends and family, maybe you as well, and then some random 3rd guy says, pick me or no one and I won't kill anyone, but one of those 2 bad guys will be picked for you via a coin flip, but at least you get to feel good that you didn't personally pick the death of people, it's not illogical to pick the first one.
Maybe you have such good morals you can pick the 3rd or refuse to pick at the expense of possibly additional people you care about, or maybe you don't personally have anyone in your life that would be affected by the 2nd bad guy so it doesn't matter to you, but if that's the case, you're equally guilty of choosing the choice that makes you feel good just because you don't have to deal with the consequences of your choice and can ignore what's actually happening.
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What an insane take. If both sides are equal on one completely undefendable thing, then you vote based on other issues. One of the two parties are going to be in power at the end of this election cycle, regardless. Both are permitting genocide, and it's a fucking problem, meanwhile only one of those parties are actively working to strip the people's right to do something about that.
All this "both sides" bullshit feels disingenuous. If you were really concerned, you'd be focused on paths to solutions, rather than focusing strictly on trying to devalue Democratic votes. I certainly don't see any path to stopping this genocide that starts with permitting a Trump presidency.
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If you honestly believed that democracts and republicans are identical on israel and you care about human suffering you'd look at all the other ways that trump and his fascists have promised to brutalize everyone who's not them and minimize human suffering by voting for a democrat.
Trump killing trans people, immigrants and palestinans is not a moral victory for opponents of our genocide in gaza.
I mean, one of the two sides is putting forward the poster boy for rich people as a candidate and is largely bankrolled by the richest person on Earth.
So... "vote for whoever" seems like it implies forgetting who the real enemy is by definition.
It would be just the same with Jill Stein or Chase Oliver as leader, Wall Street will benefit. There is obviously outsized influence of rich people in government, but big money makes money with money, doesn't matter what the politics are.
It's more important that A. The US doesn't put a leader who has real plans to become dictator and the Project2025 yes-men lined up behind it, and B. The US chooses a leader who better represents the national interests of common people, which will not happen if too many would-be Harris voters choose 3rd party or abstains.
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Right. So Trump and Musk actively advocating for eradicating income tax and dismantling the government is the same thing as Harris winning and not doing that because the framework of the system is capitalistic and them not blowing up the US economy enables rich people to keep being rich.
That's the argument.
That is the least serious argument I believe I've ever heard. It is a magnificent crystal of disingenuousness. If you could compress unserious, fallacious political arguments into diamonds, they would be that train of thought.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this is absurd whenever it pops up. Like, it was absurd on the spectrum of relative centrist Obama against relative centrist McCain. But Trump vs Harris? The degree of detachment is cosmic.
Anyway, adults have an actual real political system to worry about, so you do you. We can always pick this one up after the election if some semblance of liberal democracy remains to worry about.
The more important thing is to never pretend your vote is a valuable political action.
If you think there's a point to voting and picking a lesser evil, go ahead, but at the end of the day you must admit that no viable candidate is adequate. Both major parties are the playthings of the owner class, not representatives of the population. The last 4 years have demonstrated that clearly; the house always wins because the game is rigged. The point being, voting cannot and will not solve these systematic problems.
If you want to stop the descent into hell, you have to actually participate in political organization beyond the electoral circus.
Your ability to participate in political organization and not immediately be killed or thrown in jail depends on the people who are in power. The United States isn't immune to regressing to that society, and it's very clear the Republicans are doing what they can to move in that direction.
Voting for the Democrats and doing nothing else is far from ideal and won't fix the institutional problems, but it will help prevent new major problems, like mass murder for criticizing the government, from popping up.
Voting for the Democrats so you can continue activism is step one, and is an important step. It's also a trivially easy step with no downside. It's just not the only step.
Sorry, you can't kill something that doesn't exist in the first place.
What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
And BlackRock ECO just came out and openly said that it
People acting like there is some big difference between two parties who both represent the dictatorship of capital are ignorant beyond belief.
Considering that Trump and his supporters promise an isolationist policy, all sorts of predatory authoritarian and totalitarian regimes will suddenly feel like they can do anything - and this will start happening all over the world.
Forced on the retreat in its former colonies in West Africa, France has officially endorsed Morocco’s illegal occupation of Western Sahara, and struck deals to partner in extracting its resources.
France turns to occupied Western Sahara for colonial plunder : Peoples Dispatch
Forced on the retreat in its former colonies in West Africa, France has officially endorsed Morocco’s illegal occupation of Western Sahara, and struck deals to partner in extracting its resources.Pavan Kulkarni (Peoples Dispatch)
US Space Force warns of ‘mind-boggling’ build-up of Chinese capabilities
US Space Force warns of ‘mind-boggling’ build-up of Chinese capabilities
Agency chief Chance Saltzman says Washington must co-operate with allies to counter threats from China and RussiaFinancial Times
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Why is it behind their official github releases though? Latest version is 2024.10.2 and not 2024.09.0. It is four releases, meaning more than a month, behind.
Different goals and different designs. Why are there so many Linux distro?
Snap is proprietary. Appimage does not include distribution and updates. It also doesn’t attempt sandboxing of any kind.
On the other hand, I find appimage very convenient to use.
It's not the ideal solution, but it is approachable and understandable for technically averse users. I think it's good to have, but I only used it for one package, and that was as a separate Steam install that included an old version of glibc that was used in a particular game's (Squad) anti-cheat until it updated it.
It's good for a stable platform, but each package needs it's own set of everything, which can be good (like the Steam example above having its own version of glibc instead of using the shared version on my system), it's a lot of bloat. I'm not using it unless I require it for some reason, but again it's nice to have around.
No, its certainly not because of that.
Many apps have both permissions simultaneously and theres no warning. In this case X11 is used as a fallback if wayland is not used.
In this case X11 is used as a fallback if wayland is not used.
It prefers X11, and Wayland can be enabled through the ozone layer.
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Is it possible to get biometrics working on a flathub app?
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Probably a bit more polished UX (especially for not too tech-savy people)
but I'd say the biggest difference is integrated multidevice support, either via their cloud or selfhosted...
My attempts at keypass with both google drive and syncthing invariably ended up with me needing to periodically do manual reconciliation. I’ve never had this problem with bitwarden. Also, bitwardens passkey hooks work on iOS. They appear unsupported by keepassium.
I also would like to know what the desktop app is used for?
I've seen apps like xpipe that have direct Bitwarden integration if you want (way too high risk for me but I can see some people using it), but even then it integrates directly to the servers API. When I need an ssh password or something I copy and paste it from the browser extension. I'm curious if I'm missing some functionality by not using the app.
You're not, it's just that sometimes you paste your passwords outside browser, and opening a browser for that is doable, but feels wrong :D
Also, the app has a more convenient layout as it can afford more screen space.
But the last release for it will be in December.
There is the fork mentioned in the forum post here.
forum.syncthing.net/t/disconti…
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I don't use Syncthing and don't have an Android phone so I can't really speak for it in terms of functionality.
GeoClue TZ: Privacy-First Linux Location Service
GeoClue TZ: Privacy-First Linux Location Service
Linux location services provided by GeoClue have been historically unreliable. Whether it’s VPN usage causing incorrect locations, rate limits from upstream services, or broken functionality after system upgrades, users often find themselves struggli…Terminal Thoughts
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Interesting. Possibly useful to some. I have also discovered that the simplest, most privacy-friendly way to update location is just to do it manually when you change location.
I have a simple script that does this by querying OpenStreetMap's Nominatim server with the city name. It feeds the resulting coordinates thru a Python library that deduces the timezone, and sets the system time to this.
Ah, ok, got a little confused... GeoClue TZ is an improvement on GeoClue
I didn't even know this was a thing, I just dealt with this manually - now feeling a little silly.
Billionaire BlackRock CEO: 'Doesn't matter' who wins US election; Trump & Kamala benefit Wall Street
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Virtualization: How do I share a cloud drive mounted inside the guest with the host?
Hi everyone! I want to be able to access a folder inside the guest that corresponds to a cloud drive that is mounted inside the guest for security purposes. I have tried setting up a shared filesystem inside Virt-Manager (KVM) with virtiofs (following this tutorial: absprog.com/post/qemu-kvm-shar…) but as soon as I mount the folder in order for it to be accessible on the ~~guest~~ host the cloud drive gets unmounted. I guess a folder cannot have two mounts at the same time. Aliasing the folder using bind and then sharing the aliased folder with the host doesn't work either. The aliased folder is simply empty on the host.
Does anyone have an idea regarding how I might accomplish this? Is KVM the right choice or would something like docker or podman better suited for this job? Thank you.
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The cloud drive is mounted inside a virtual machine for security purposes as the binary is proprietary and I do not want to mount it on the host (bwrap and the like introduce a whole lot of problems, the drive doesn't sync anymore and I have to relogin each time). I do not use the virtual machine per se, I just start it and leave it be.
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Wouldn’t you just be able to create a folder for Xdrive (imaginary alternative to Google drive) in the Virtual Machine and another one in the host.
Since they are both synchronized with Xdrive they would have the same content.
bwrap and the like introduce a whole lot of problems, the drive doesn't sync anymore and I have to relogin each time). I do not use the virtual machine per se, I just start it and leave it be.
The best option would be to have a "regular" client that keeps a local copy in sync with the cloud instead of a mount.
BTW: IDK what cloud storage you are using, but IIRC some show files that are not available locally (ie. only the most recent files are downloaded locally - the older stuff is downloaded on request).
Alternatively, you could hack something together running unison locally in the guest to sync the cloud folder to a shared one... you'll have two copies of the data though.
fwiw: if you go w the container strategy with docker or podman, you should be able to use the storage overlay based on how i'm reading your question.
it's hard to ascertain any path forward w/o knowing more details on the cloud drive and how's it's currently mounted on the guest instance.
run the command mount with sudo access and if you can see it enumerated in the printout then you should be able to proceed with either a container overlay or separate mount point.
if not, then it'll get very advanced very quickly; do you know how to use strace?
I just checked and it is mounted as a fuse drive.
do you know how to use strace?
A very confident NO :)
fortunately we won't have to bother w strace; but i think i can see where you'll be blocked.
do you have to provide a username/password or token when you try to access the drive now?
if yes, then you should be able to mount it like you're trying to do using instructions like these and you can use the information from the last printout to fill in the blanks.
if no, then its access is controlled outside of your guest instance and you'll need to ask your admins to enable access.
do you have to provide a username/password or token when you try to access the drive now?
I do but it's through the proprietary GUI of the binary which has no CLI or API I can use.
then strace might help if we're lucky enough to get something like memory addresses.
strace can be very verbose and requires a lot of knowledge that i doubt i can share through comments back and forth.
is creating an intermediary like others have commented on in this post an option? they're automatically easier and faster than strace and there's no gaurantee that strace will show us the information we need.
strace can be very verbose and requires a lot of knowledge that i doubt i can share through comments back and forth.
No worries. Thank a lot nonetheless.
is creating an intermediary like others have commented on in this post an option?
What do you mean by intermediary? Do you mean syncing the files with the VM and then sharing the synced copy with the host?That wouldn't work since my drive is smaller than the cloud drive and I need all the files on-demand.
What do you mean by intermediary? Do you mean syncing the files with the VM and then sharing the synced copy with the host?That wouldn’t work since my drive is smaller than the cloud drive and I need all the files on-demand.
that's one way. do you need them all at the same time? are they mostly the same size and type?
do you need them all at the same time?
I need to access all files conveniently and transparently depending on what I need at work in that particular moment.
are they mostly the same size and type?
Hard no.
sshfs might work if your fuse drive is mounted with options that will let it be shared and you have sudo access to enable sshfs. also ssh access is a requirement.
how is it mounted now? it should also be in that same mount printout and usually at the end of the line inside parenthesis.
user_id=0,group_id=0
do you have sudo access and are there any rules in /etc/sudo* that match your username or any of your groups? which distribution?
podman container. Running it how I did before (inside a VM) would simply yield user_id=1000,group_id=1000 I think.
I am using the binary. Just running it inside a container instead of a VM.
overlay fs?
Yes.
i've never seen a workflow like that so i don't think i can help you with the container.
if getting it from the host os an option, then it makes sense to see if it's possible and something like a sudoer rule or selinux could prevent that; my last question was my attempt to ascertain this.
Could you please assist me there if you have an idea? Thanks :)
virtiofs?
I don't understand what you mean with the content disappearing when you mount the virtiofs on the guest - isn't the mount empty when bound, untill the guest populates it?
Can you share what sync client+guest os you are using?
if the client does "advanced" features like files on demand, then it might clash with virtiofs - this is where the details of which client/OS could be relevant, does it require local storage or support remote?
If guest os is windows, samba share it to the host. if guest os is linux, nfs will probably do. In both cases I would host the share on the client, unless the client specifically supports remote storage.
podman/docker seems to be the proper tool for you here, but a VM with the samba/nfs approach could be less hassle and less complicated, but somewhat bloaty. containers require some more tailoring but in theory is the right way to go.
Keep in mind that a screwup could be interpreted by the sync client as mass-deletes, so backups are important (as a rule of thumb, it always is, but especially for cloud hosted storage)
I don’t understand what you mean with the content disappearing when you mount the virtiofs on the guest - isn’t the mount empty when bound, untill the guest populates it?
Sorry I made a mistake in the original post. I wanted to say on the host instead of on the guest. My bad.
Yes, you are correct, the folder is empty until I log in insde the cloud application on the guest.
does it require local storage or support remote?
What do you mean? The cloud drive is a network drive basically. It only downloads files on demand.
if guest os is linux, nfs will probably do
This is what others have suggested and what I will probably do if the method below fails.
podman/docker seems to be the proper tool for you here
Yesterday I actually tried to spin a podman container hoping it would work but I encountered the following problem when trying to propagate mounts:
lemmy.ml/post/22215540
Could you please assist me there if you have further ideas? Thank you :)
Keep in mind that a screwup could be interpreted by the sync client as mass-deletes
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Canoeboot – Canoeboot 20241102 released!
The following boards have been added since the Canoeboot 20240612 release:
Sony PlayStation (PCSX Redux Open BIOS)
Dell Latitude E4300 (courtesy of Nicholas Chin)
Dell OptiPlex 780 MT support
Dell OptiPlex 780 USFF support
The OptiPlex models are X4X/ICH10 platform, while the E4300 is GM45/ICH9. Both run 100% blob-free, with the Intel ME firmware completely removed, by using modified Intel Flash Descriptors similar to that seen on ThinkPad X200/T400.
E4300 has the same installation procedure as the E6400.
i bought a linux laptop a few years ago from a linux company to take advantage of things like coreboot and it's had a dramatic impact compared to my windows laptops onto which i installed linux.
i'm in the initial stages of creating a new daily driver and i want to consider compatibility with other projects like this to help me re-acclimate to the general public's linux user experience, so thanks for sharing and your guess; responses like this are really helpful in getting me back into this groove.
You are confused and mean. You cannot compare 2 different laptops and say that one has worse battery management because of coreboot. You would need to have the same laptop with and without coreboot to do any comparison.
I don't really get what you are trying to say in the second paragraph but Canoeboot is not a good daily driver because it's basically a "drug substitute" for GNU dummies. The author of it does not recommend using it. Use Libreboot instead as it does not break your CPU.
I think I can see the confused part; but I don't get mean.
My comment was an overall anecdotal estimation of my experiences of using windows and Linux on the same laptop. I noticed that the battery life while using Linux was significantly shorter than using windows on the same laptop. My battery life experience w my first core boot laptop seems to be on par w my windows laptop.
Also I get mean a lot; I tend to commit a lot of faux pas and people are usually too angry w me to let me understand what I said/did. I have no idea what I did for the label this time around as well and I hope you'll tell me.
It sounded like you got annoyed that I was guessing and it sounded like you tried to make it clear to me that the guess was not helpful to you with the use of sarcasm. I guess I misunderstood, sorry.
Regarding the actual questions: You asked how does it compare to Coreboot. Canoeboot is actually coreboot, just slightly modified to work with Free Software Foundation's rules but these rules are kind of absurd. See [1]. Libreboot is also modified Coreboot but one that's actually good. The difference between them is that Libreboot should be a bit easier to install and that they support different hardware.
In terms of battery life the same laptop with or without Coreboot should perform the same. Coreboot really only handles the booting. Battery life should depend on the "EC firmware", which is like a second chip on your motherboard that handles stuff like blinking LEDs or checking if your lid is opened or closed. It also depends on the OS itself so Linux vs Windows will make a difference. Canoeboot is an exception because it does not include "microcode updates" for ideological reasons. Microcode is code that runs on a "CPU inside of your CPU". Not updating it will A) make your CPU buggy and vulnerable to attacks like Spectre [2] and B) maybe even have worse battery life because Microcode can control the voltage your CPU runs at. More voltage -> more power (P ~ V^2)
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Citing from canoeboot.org/about.html
Libreboot no longer complies with GNU policy. In November 2022, Libreboot adopted a more pragmatic policy of allowing any board from coreboot to be supported, while reducing the number of binary blobs as much as possible. Although this may satisfy most people, there exists a minority of people who wish to still have a blob-free coreboot distro, like Libreboot once was.
Prior to November 2022, Libreboot complied fully with GNU policy in providing an entirely blob-free coreboot distribution. The rest of this article will go into a lot more detail, both on this and on the technical aspects, but the gist of it is this:
Canoeboot is, in spirit and in practise, a continuation of the old Libreboot project, prior to that policy change. It maintains sync with Libreboot as closely as possible, while removing any and all non-free code, and disabling/removing any code that could possibly handle it (for example modifying coreboot so as to never add microcode updates or download blobs, even if told to by coreboot configs, since the upstream coreboot project is otherwise engineered to handle these if requested by the user).
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The process of importing from K9 Mail worked without issue for me. There is also the option to import from desktop using a QR scanner (or some kind of scanner, again I didn't go down that rabbit hole).
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I think, it's cool, though, that the official Thunderbird app can be published on F-Droid.
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But the blog post is 2 years old and not part of the application. Since then new users started using the app. Most people don't read blog posts, if nothing big changes. Was there never a popup message, in example after a regular update, to inform about upcoming huge changes? So that people do not get surprised. The app description should have this information very clear and prominently on the top. No current user should be in a position that the app changes like this.
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in reply to thingsiplay • • •Ah, yeah, I don't think there was anything in the app. I guess, they could've mentioned it in the changelog, which gets shown in the app by default after an update.
But yeah, I think we'll have to excuse a bit of a bumpy ride here. I know, it says "Mozilla" on there now, but to my knowledge, it's still just the one core dev...
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in reply to Krzd • • •What they're saying there is that when trying to auto detect the server configurations, there are unexpected connections to cloudfare IPs, which didn't usually happen with K9. Who posted the concern associated this to telemetry, but the answers are pointing a different direction. But at this point it just guesses, :(
I guess some more formal traffic inspection needs to happen to understand if truly there's unexpected traffic, where it is directed to, and hopefully infer somehow its purpose. The guesses about what's happening suggest it's just about the auto connection, but again, just guesses.
I explored the configurations, and I didn't find anything about telemetry, and so neither how to disable it. K9 does not have an about:config advanced configuration like desktop Thunderbird does, so if there's truly telemetry or some other sort of information leakage, then after proving it, perhaps developers realize they can do better. But so far nothing really proving telemetry or information leakage.
theotherben
in reply to kixik • • •kixik
in reply to theotherben • • •Not sure what updates you are expecting to happen.
I'm not aware of any effort trying to identify the traffic going in and out on Thunderbird under android. The guesses from the one reporting about what happens when configuring a new email account is of no use since it's easily associated to Thunderbird looking for ways to easy automation on new accounts settings.
Unless there's a throughout analysis of the traffic, I'm not aware of anything to be expected. You can try reaching the one reporting his concern, and ask if he has looked into how to report an actual issue/bug to Thunderbird, or if someone else has done it
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in reply to kixik • • •The ONLY connection I want my mail client to make, is the one to my configured mail server.
EVERY other connection it makes is to be seen as malicious.
fmstrat
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in reply to Krzd • • •EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted
in reply to gerlen • • •thingsiplay
in reply to gerlen • • •So is this sync functionality already available? (Edit: Citation corrected)
Ephera
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in reply to gerlen • • •kyub
in reply to gerlen • • •K-9 had zero of this, it just spoke with your mail servers and that was it.
So be careful and block outgoing app connections by default. I did not analyze the data being sent, just that there were those 2 unwanted connectiins happening.
jonne
in reply to kyub • • •ghen
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in reply to kyub • • •peregus
in reply to gerlen • • •Did something happen lately about K9/Thunderbird?
communism
in reply to peregus • • •jonne
in reply to peregus • • •Handles
in reply to gerlen • • •I think it's weird that they insisted all along that K-9 would remain its own branded version of the joint app. Yet according to f-droid, my newly updated K-9 (same app I've used for a decade and a half) is now one of two "Thunderbird for beta testers" listed...
It's still K-9 in my local app menu, the icon is the same, but I guess the Thunderbird project are sort of working out how to manage two differently branded versions of the same app?
maniacalmanicmania
in reply to Handles • • •Karna
in reply to gerlen • • •Just a note that it's now also available on F-Droid
f-droid.org/packages/net.thund…
marx2k
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