Israeli hooligans provoke clashes in Amsterdam after chanting anti-Palestinian slogans
Israeli hooligans provoked clashes with Dutch youth in Amsterdam on Thursday after they chanted racist anti-Arab slogans, tore down Palestinian flags and ignored a minute of silence for the Spanish flood victims.
The attacks by some of the travelling Maccabi Tel Aviv fans occurred on Wednesday and Thursday in different parts of of the Dutch capital ahead of their Uefa Europa League match against Amsterdam club Ajax.
Hooligans were seen removing at least two Palestinian flags from what appeared to be the front of locals' homes a night before the match, according to the AD daily newspaper.
An Arab taxi driver was also attacked by mobs who appeared to be with the Israeli fans, although police said they couldn't identify the nationality of the attackers as no arrests were made.
A group of Israeli fans gathered in the Dam Square on Wednesday were filmed sparking confrontations with locals, shouting “Fuck you” at some of them and “Fuck you Palestine”.
Ahead of match on Thursday, fans heading to the Johan Cruyff Arena stadium were seen shouting: “Let the IDF (Israeli army) fuck the Arabs”.
Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof called the clashes “unacceptable antisemitic attacks” but failed to mention the assaults by the hooligans against Dutch citizens.
Israeli hooligans provoke clashes in Amsterdam after chanting anti-Palestinian slogans
Israeli hooligans provoked clashes with Dutch youth in Amsterdam on Thursday after they chanted racist anti-Arab slogans, tore down Palestinian flags and ignored a minute of silence for the Spanish flood victims.MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
Kvinnornas roll i de kriminella gängen har inte alls förändrats. En ung tjej har dömts för att utfört skjutningar för kriminella gäng. Det har fått enstaka poliser och en del mindre kunniga journalister att hävda att kvinnornas roll i de kriminella gängen har förändrats. Det är ärligt sagt bara dumheter. Bara för att 2 eller 3 av flera hundra dömda för gängkriminella våldsåd är kvinnor så har kvinnornas roll i stort sett inte förändrats.
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När vänsterpartister blir en del av Klägget. Två ledande vänsterpartister har under det sensaste året tagit arbete för lobbyföretag. Jenny Lindahl och Linda Snecker. En anställd och en riksdagsledamot. Det är en tydlig illustration på vad som är fel inom Vänsterpartiets ledning. Om varför ledningen stadigt går åt höger.
‘Used like taxis’: Soaring private jet flights drive up climate-heating emissions
‘Used like taxis’: Soaring private jet flights drive up climate-heating emissions
Analysis of 19m flights between 2019 and 2023 reveals 50% rise in emissions, condemned as ‘gratuitous waste’Damian Carrington (The Guardian)
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It found almost half the jets travelled less than 500km and 900,000 were used “like taxis” for trips of less than 50km.
Less than 50 kilometres. With a jet. Let that level of misanthropic assholery sink in.
Here's an article detailing some of the shortest flights celebrities have been criticized for taking:
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A taste from the article, detailing the excesses of 24-year-old influencer Kylie Jenner:
"According to an automated Twitter account that tracks celebrity flights based on transponders and tail fin marking, Jenner’s flight on 12 July lasted just 17 minutes, taking her from Van Nuys in Los Angeles to the nearby town of Camarillo. The model had earlier taken a 27-minute trip in her jet, a $72m Bombardier BD 700, to Van Nuys from Thermal, California."
Stunning Images From Jupiter Created Out of Latest NASA Juno Spacecraft Flyby
Stunning Images From Jupiter Created Out of Latest NASA Juno Spacecraft Flyby
Our solar system's largest planet got its glamour shots back as contributors interpret raw data from JunoCam.Omar Gallaga (CNET)
Academics on Mastodon
Academics on Mastodon
A list of various lists consisting of academics on Mastodonacademics-on-mastodon
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Trump will give Israel ‘blank check’ which may mean all-out war with Iran, says ex-CIA chief
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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a "blank check" in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.
Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu's aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.
Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.
He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to "capitulate" to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.
ML are like “oh, maybe Joe wasn’t so bad”
Haha, nah, they never cared about genocide.
Draft Guidance for Long-form Text
One of the Social Web Foundation’s programs for this year is to work on making long-form text more useful and available on the Social Web. By this, we mean multi-paragraph texts of “web page” length, like a blog post, a magazine article, a newsletter, a forum post, or a wiki page. This length of text can usually fit comfortably into a single ActivityPub object — let’s say tens or maybe low hundreds of kilobytes of content. Longer texts like books are probably too big for this use.
There are a lot of producers of long-form text on the Web, and many have enabled ActivityPub for their software. There is some discussion of longer texts in the Activity Vocabulary — the definition of most of the data types used in ActivityPub — but it’s not all in one place, and there’s not practical guidance on restrictions.
To help publishers and consumers of long-form text objects, I pulled together the relevant properties and types into a Fediverse Enhancement Proposal (FEP), which is a community-led standardization process. The document, FEP-b2b8: Long-form Text, is currently available as a draft for review.
If you’re a publisher of long-form text, or you are developing user interfaces that may encounter this kind of data, please take some time to review. This is still a draft-level document, but I’d love to see it shaped and improved by incorporating the experience and knowledge of many practitioners and implementers.
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I’m sure you know I have been driving this, but I can’t work with you on this under the banner of the “social web foundation.”
I don’t like how you’ve tried to take the totality of all our work and embed it in your cause.
Let’s talk as people who make software, as equals. Otherwise I can’t partake. You all have been making this mistake for decades Evan.
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I think #WordPress is already pretty close to what you specified... I like the featured-image idea github.com/Automattic/wordpres…
Maybe we could/should be more specific how to deduplicate `images` and `attachments`!?!
> can this be added to socialhub for discussion?
That and the issues board in the FEP repo are the usuals places to discuss FEPs in progress, so yes!
The Mozilla layoffs ... will get worse
I just saw a post complaining about the Mozilla layoffs.
I wanted to point out that the vast majority of their income (over 85% in 2022) is from having Google as the default search engine - Ironically, the anti monopoly lawsuit against Google will end this.
Expect things to get worse.
Please don't assume it was just a cruel choice.
chrome enshitification made me switch back to firefox after 7ish years of using it as my daily driver and likewise was true for netscape.
those two previous experiences tell me that i need to start making preparations to switch away from firefox; but i can't bring myself to do it because all of the other viable alternatives are chrome based. since google already has begun publicly enshitifying chrome further i think i'll end up going with just about any other browser project that i can find and i think that these two are the two most likely candidates.
are you aware of any others?
You are really underestimating the complexity of the task of building a web engine.
Another problem is that Chrome is already ubiquitous and most of the web sites are simply ignoring the Gecko and only optimise against Chromium.
Don't get me wrong, I truly wish we had more completion and I hope those projects take off and with time become a viable alternative of Chromium but I am somehow doubtful.
You're right about the fact that building an engine is hard, but Socraticly speaking, then why are there so many blink-based browsers and so few gecko-based ones? The answer is because blink is easy to embed in a new project and gecko isn't.
If Mozilla really wants to take back the web (and I honestly don't think they actually do), then what they should really be doing is making gecko as easy to embed in a new browser as blink is. They don't do this, and I suspect that they have ulterior motives for doing so, but if they did, I think we would be much closer to breaking chrome's grasp on the web.
Because let's face it: Mozilla makes a pretty damn good browser engine. But they don't really make a compelling browser based off it. Ever noticed how Mozilla has been declining ever since they deprecated XPCOM extensions? It's because when they provided XPCOM, it enabled users to actually build cool and interesting new features. And now that they've taken it away, all innovation in browser development has stagnated (save for the madlads making Vivaldi).
They need to empower others to build the browser that they can't. That's what would really resurrect the glory days of Firefox in my opinion.
Ironically, the anti monopoly lawsuit against Google will end this.
People are quick to assume this, and there's a very good chance that they're right, but I don't think we should take it as a given. It's always possible that there could be some sort of court decision that allows Google to keep funding Mozilla after the "breakup" is complete.
In any case, we don't yet know what the outcome of the antitrust case will be, so I think it might be best to avoid making statements of certainty like this until we see how things really shake out.
We should definitely take the possibility of this happening very seriously though.
Found the one sane comment in this entire thread.
Google may or may not stop paying Mozilla as part of the antitrust scrutiny. I have no idea if there's actual reporting to this effect, or any form of legal analysis suggesting this is the most plausible outcome. If anything, antitrust scrutiny might lead to this funding being more secure and more robust.
So this might not happen, but this whole threads carrying on like it's a fait accompli.
I haven't seen the contract between google and firefox.
Maybe "how you develop the software" is a bit far-fetched, I was more thinking about decide where to put efforts into e.g.: continue developing Firefox's core mechanic of being a privacy oriented webbrowser instead of... whatever they are doing with the funding they get.
I suspect that they have ulterior motives
Rather than guessing at the motives of others, let's remember Hanlon's razor.
Honestly I've been saying for some time that Mozilla's resources would be much better spent making Firefox a soft fork of Chromium. Primarily: use the Blink browser engine and V8 JS engine, with only the changes to those that they deem absolutely necessary, and maintain a privacy-forward Chromium-based browser. Maybe try and enlist the help of Brave, Vivaldi, and other browsers that are currently Chromium but which prefer more privacy than Google offers.
It's not zero effort, and especially as Google continues to develop Chromium with assumptions like the removal of Manifest V2 it might take some effort to maintain, but it cannot possibly be as much effort as maintaining an entire browser.
I think you're massively downplaying how much of a hit this will be.
Let's say you make $100k/year. Think about the lifestyle it allows. You've just been informed that it's now going part time, and you'll only be making $15k/year. How far does that get you?
Now, you're expecting someone else to pay for that advertising spot, so it won't be that bad. But who is even eligible? Microsoft's Bing is the obvious answer, and probably DDG. The rest of the default search engines aren't even general web searches.
Do you really think that either of them are going to pay any significant amount to be the default? Especially when most people are going to change it back to Google anyway, since these are automatically people willing to change to a different browser?
Sure, they might be willing to pay something. But it won't be anything close to what they had before.
Both Bing and Yahoo have outbid Google in certain countries in the past. There's a new wave of AI powered startups with tons of venture capital. I could imagine them making sizable bids.
But I get what you mean. The main difference to your scenario is: search money will definitely not totally disappear, Mozilla has huge savings, and they can just finally pivot and focus on making a real premium offer that people would want to pay for.
Do you really think that either of them are going to pay any significant amount to be the default?
I can see Bing doing it. And Google is so far gone that it would probably be an improvement
mozilla is not profitable because of how much they pay their CEO.
its the same situation as reddit.
I chuckled a bit while reading this, because what you wrote is exactly where Blink came from. It was a fork of webkit, which in turn was derived from KHTML. Then again, the fact KHTML was discontinued does support your point to an extent too, I guess.
But the point is, Chrome is doing exactly this - providing the engine free as in beer and letting people embed it however they like. And yet, what you're predicting, ie. not using the original but just using forks instead, doesn't seem to be happening with Chrome - they still enjoy a massive fraction of the market share. There's no reason to believe that this couldn't happen at Mozilla as well. People usually want the original product, and it's only a small fraction of people that are really interested in using the derivatives.
Honestly I've been saying for some time that Mozilla's resources would be much better spent making Firefox a soft fork of Chromium
No no nonononono. The moment you do that you become at the mercy if whatever they choose to do, including changes that will sabotage you. There are examples out there such as Novell, who should have made a Linux-based client OS for the Netware architecture. For the longest time prior to a brief period where they had their server GUI (sloppy, inefficient and barely completed as it was) that you literally could not do any GUI-based configurations without a Windows client. How is that not begging for the competition to screw you every chance they get?
Firefox stands on its own and that's how it needs to be.
The point is that with open source you can effectively leech off of Google for now, while still retaining the flexibility to nope out and do your own thing at any point you decide.
Considering just how severely behind they are already (as I mentioned in my other comment, they're often 3–5 years behind other browsers in implementing new web standards or operating system features), I see anything they can do to reduce how much they need to maintain independently as a good thing. In an ideal world where they had all the funding and development power they could want I might say sticking with the completely independent Firefox would be great. But that just isn't where they're at today.
That depends on management, however it definitely could benefit the company.
I think the biggest issue is that a bunch of people are, probably unexpectedly, out of a job.
Firefox is understaffed, servo was canned, deepspeech was canned, firefox reality was canned, firefox for android TVs was canned, send was canned, the upstream project which the translate feature is based on (bergamot) has been extremely inactive and many more.
each one of these projects was/is "important" in some way, and while there are alternatives now or have been picked up by various third parties, each one had a lot of untapped potential, and lets take a look at the projects alternatives or forks current state.
- servo: was picked up by igalia, and is massively far behind, It still has a lot of potential, and progress is quick for what it is, but this is a real embeddable alternative to chrome. Not viable yet, and likely wont be for another year or two.
- Deepspeech: Coqui is dead, existing speech to text stuff is all either proprietary or extremely low quality. Only recently have we seen some progress due to speech to speech AI (AI voice replication). Still largely unusable. Some promising projects have cropped up but none are viable yet.
- Firefox reality: Wolvic took over, it's in the process of being ported to chromium.
- Firefox for android TV: No alternatives even exist, you have TVBro and Vitabrowser are all just barely usable. and they rely on webview, a geckoview browser github.com/threethan/Lightning… which isn't really usable.
- Send: This is the one fork that is actually flourishing. This is really a nifty service at least.
Clearly some edge lord...
I see what you did there
Mozilla does not look any reliable
People keep saying this, but why? Because if it's anything like what people have been saying in these Lemmy threads, good god.
You’re right about the fact that building an engine is hard, but Socraticly speaking, then why are there so many blink-based browsers and so few gecko-based ones? The answer is because blink is easy to embed in a new project and gecko isn’t.
Okay, that's an interesting point. I mean, there are forks galore of Firefox so I'm not entirely sure I understand. But certainly chromium-based browsers have been getting more traction.
But wasn't the original point something about how hard it is to make a browser?
And if I have this right you're suggesting that it would be achievable for Firefox to make an accessible browser tool kit but they're not due to ulterior motives?
I'm not sure I understand that, either in terms of motive or just impractical terms what it is you think they're doing to make it hard to develop.
They wouldn’t be at the mercy of anything. That’s…how open source works.
That's how Chromium works.
Anyone can see the source, but it doesn't mean that anyone's code makes it into Chromium, because Google picks and chooses. Chromium has a "reviewer pool" of Google developers doing all the picking and choosing. Getting into the reviewer pool takes months to years of building up a contribution history and being vetted by the Google team.
They're completely at the mercy of how Google integrates things like DRM, or web standards that Google wants to push, like a deeply integrated into the browser and actively maintained with little to no alternative. The engineering overhead of sustaining and increasingly complex fork of Chromium is unsustainable and unless you have the development capability to compete, Google controls the destiny of any chromium browser.
I think that when people say this was a cruel choice, they talk about firing people instead of decreasing executive salaries.
Corporate cuts should always start with the greatest fat that does the least work - the ones at the top.
Because if the company has found itself in a place where headcount needs to be reduced, these are the people who led it there and deserve all of the blame for hurting the company to that degree. Plus, you should always start cutting where you get the lowest volume of productive work for the greatest money spent, and that is always at the top.
You can't for a number of reasons. As other people have said this catastrophically underestimates the complexity of maintaining a code base for a browser.
they’re often 3–5 years behind other browsers in implementing new web standards
I don't even think that's remotely true. My understanding is that it's on the order of a few months to a year, and it relates to things that are negligible to the average end user. They are edge case things like experimental 3d rendering. The most significant one I can think of is Webp, but they resisted adoption for principled reasons relating to Google's control over that format and aggressive pushing of it, which is a good thing not a bad thing, and an important example of how rushing to adopt new standards it's not necessarily just a sign of browser health but also an anti-competitive practice intentionally pushed by companies that have money to throw around for that purpose.
The difference is how you interact with the browser engine. Blink is very easy to embed into a new browser project. I've seen it done - if you're familiar with the tools, you can build a whole new browser built around the Blink engine in a few hours. You can write pretty much whatever you want around it and it doesn't really change how you interact with the engine, which also makes updates very simple to do.
With Firefox, it's practically impossible to build a new browser around Gecko. The "forks" that you see are mostly just reskins that change a few settings here and there. They still follow upstream Firefox very closely and cannot diverge too much from it because it would be a huge maintenance burden.
Pale Moon and Waterfox are closer to forks of Firefox than Librewolf for example, but they've had to maintain the engine themselves and keep up with standards and from what I've read, they're struggling pretty hard to do so. Not a problem that Blink-based browsers have to deal with because it's pretty easy and straightforward to update and embed the engine without having to rewrite your whole browser.
Unfortunately, since Google controls the engine, this means that they can control the extensions that are allowed to plug into it. If you don't have the hooks to properly support an extension (ie. ublock), then you can't really implement it... unless you want to take on the burden of maintaining that forked engine again.
That said, Webkit is still open source and developed actively (to the best of my knowledge - I could be completely wrong here). Why don't forks build around Webkit instead of Blink? Not really sure to be honest.
Signal does a decent job of encouraging people to make one-time or ongoing donations to the service. I’ve supported them multiple times because they gave me a prompt to do so.
I don’t recall Firefox ever asking for a donation or subscription.
I don't even think that's remotely true.
I've seen two cases that actually directly impacted my ability to use Firefox. I can only presume there are many more. Those being supporting the column-span CSS property (available since 2010 in other browsers with vendor prefix, and early 2016 without, while being late 2019 for FF) and supporting iPad OS's multi-window functionality (introduced mid 2019, Firefox has had it for just a handful of months now). I have first hand experience telling me very directly that this is true.
There's also been a lot of talk about Firefox's lack of support for PWAs. I've not experienced that myself to be able to comment more than to say I've noted others have complaints.
Honestly, I would be fine with Blink being default if Google would divest it from themselves and make it an independent open source project that they just contribute to instead of control. They have far too much power with that one bit of tech to shape the Internet as we know it, along with a large chunk of computing that happens offline thanks to the growing ubiquity of node.js/Electron
And they're actively using that control to restrict what we can even do with our own machines right now
Webkit is the engine used by Safari (among a few others) and, though I think the project is controlled by Apple, it's licensed LGPLv2.1 and BSD 2-Clause
According to the wiki, it's also used in PlayStation, Kindle, Nintendo devices, and the Tizen mobile OS... Additionally, it's apparently the rendering engine used by the default browsers provided by both the KDE and Gnome projects
Honestly, though, I want to see something that's not part of the Mosaic or KHTML families be made and gain at least some foothold...I hate having the Internet basically controlled by one or two mega corporations.
I still wish Opera hadn't abandoned Presto...
I think one thing you guys should keep in the back pocket, is that Mozilla jobs are the outlier. The average Open Source Developer salary is very close to the US Federal poverty line. They're paid mostly in comped passes to conventions. Most of the "averages" you see are compiled from data from companies like Mozilla. OSS devs are typically make around $30k in pure cash, even for ones working on large projects. The only OSS devs that make between the $95k and $150k (25th and 75th percentiles) you'll see online are ones that work for Mozilla, or Intel, or whoever.
What makes this possible is MIT licensing models that corpos shilled in the 2000's and 2010's that directly benefit corperate engineering costs, but don't contribute back nearly the value they extract. If the majority was GPL + copyright assignment, there would be income streams for leveraging OSS projects in closed source applications via licensing deals.
But the genie is out of the bottle on most of these things. See how Amazon is effectively forking an destroying existing OSS models via AWS provisioning of things like redis and elasticache.
The measley non Google portion of revenue is 81m dollar. If you pay a top dev 200k, you could pay 100 top devs 20m and still have 60m to play with.
This is even before considering a Bing/Yahoo/Ecosia deal.
Mozilla will be fine, but they'll likely need to be leaner. Lay offs will likely play a part in that. Just got to hope they size and structure it right.
Okay, but khtml was part of KDE, so I guess it wasn't developed by a company that needed to make money from it, was it?
And neither is chrome. Google doesn't need it to create revenue. They need it to control the channel with which people access their main product - advertising on the web. And for that goal it is beneficial to have it as widespread as possible, even in the form of derivatives.
Is there any reason why there is no large generalist Lemmy instance managed from the USA? Is this just a coincidence?
Thinking about this lately, especially in the context of the UD elections getting discussed a lot all over Lemmy.
If you look at the top 20 instances fedidb.org/software/lemmy
- Lemmy.world and feddit.nl are Dutch
- Lemm.ee is Estonian
- Feddit.org, discuss.tchncs.de are German
- SJW and lemmy.ca are Canadian
- Lemmy.blahaj.zone, aussie.zone and Reddthat are Australian
- sopuli.xyz is Finnish
- slrpnk.net is Portuguese
- lemmy.dbzer0, infosec.pub, mander.xyz, programming.dev, lemmy.sdf.org are thematic
- Beehaw is USA-based, but defederated from LW and SJW and still on 0.18.3, so not sure they're even that interested in Lemmy anymore
Out of the top 20, there is Midwest.social and Lemmy.today but they are quite small (326 and 201 monthly active users).
On the other hand, a lot of other countries have their own instances
- feddit.uk
- jlai.lu
- feddit.dk
- szmer.info
- lemmy.eco.br
- feddit.cl
- feddit.it
With the USA population and the Internet presence of the USA citizens, you would expect at least one large generalist instance based in the USA, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Any ideas what the reasons might be? Is this just a coincidence?
Edit: for Lemmy.world:
The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
FediDB, Fediverse Network Statistics
FediDB is a cutting-edge service providing detailed statistics and insights into the Fediverse network.fedidb.org
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Which is ironic as the Ruud, the founder, is Dutch
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It always surprises me that !politics@lemmy.world is specifically US-only. Why not !uspolitics@lemmy.world?
I did not know that .world was made by a Dutch person. Thanks for teaching me something new.
.world seems to have been the default instance people went to when they left reddit. It's more or less than mentality imported into Lemmy. This led to the fact that creating a US specific instance is not necessary. .world fills that niche enough.
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Easily the biggest, and US based.
The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
Why did you think lemmy.world was US based? It's fully European.
But that's probably it - folks assume the instance that's for the whole world is the US-based one and don't feel the need to make another major US-based one.
Ah, that makes sense. So the FediDB info seems to be wrong - I wonder if they got confused by cloudflare as per the other comment in feddit.org/post/4529920/299384… ?
Also, is there a way to let them know to update it? I guess someone could report an issue on github...
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Isn't Lemmy.World based in the US?
Edit: huh. Netherlands.
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I never missed a US instance because LW is so US focused I assumed it was the main one.
We don’t need a US instance, we need more users to support active local communities.
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But then if any LW community are going to become US specific from now due to the political climate, should people not interested in that just move elsewhere?
Example: !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world , all the recent posts are about the US elections
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dominate any general audience English speaking online community
China, India, Africa and others will probably develop to the point of "producing as much media as the USA", but I highly doubt they'll simultaneously make a major shift to English for it
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Meanwhile international-english is the new latin... Even within India, the south insists to keep english as an official language, to avoid being dominated by more populous hindi-speaking north.
Alternatively LLM-translation may facilitate multi-lingual discussion, but in this case the language of software development may still be influential during such transition.
By the way - this is an important topic for future of lemmy, which should expand more towards the south - where's a good place to develop it (beyond such set of replies)?
With a tld ending like .world you'd think it's for the whole world, not just europe (.eu) or a specific country.
feddit.org itself is a bit of a curiosity since the .org doesn't make it obvious that it is German - but someone posted the full story of how feddit.de fell apart and feddit.org became the successor.
With a tld ending like .world you’d think it’s for the whole world, not just europe (.eu) or a specific country.
Indeed. It always surprises me that !politics@lemmy.world is specifically US-only. Why not !uspolitics@lemmy.world?
That confuses me too. I've never really understood that. Likewise, /m/news is for US news while world news goes into /m/world and US news isn't allowed.
Maybe that's another reason why folks thing it's US-based - because the magazines are clearly so US oriented. But I'm not sure how that happened.
On the brain bin for example it's PoliticsUSA - thebrainbin.org/m/PoliticsUSA
Maybe that’s another reason why folks thing it’s US-based - because the magazines are clearly so US oriented. But I’m not sure how that happened.
Probably people creating the community soon after the instance creation
I think a part of it is that english is just the default language and strongly leans american already, so there's just no demand for a USA instance and people just use the popular or thematic ones for that content. There's no advantage in laws to prefer US hosting.
The country ones make sense because they're also a different language, like jlai.lu in french, and the feddits for European languages.
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Feddit.uk, aussie.zone, lemmy.nz and other English speaking instances still exist
Good point about the laws.
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But if there were, say, an analog to !askuk@feddit.uk but for USA, that would free up other communities to not be dominated so much by content from & for it.
e.g. if someone wanted to flee a state that did not provide abortion to one that did, they could ask the country specific one.
Though super good point that even so, perhaps it should not be hosted inside the country, especially given recent events.
Looking ahead, one difficulty might be that I don't think that existed on Reddit (or if it did, surely it wasn't well-known).
And the community sidebar is quite hidden on Lemmy especially from mobile apps. Creating a post presumes that you know exactly where you'll send it, without e.g. offering alternative solutions. I thought that Hexbear might be able to shunt posts made from one community over to another, but that probably took a modified codebase.
Oh, I see a !askmidwest@midwest.social.
Anyway if you see that there's enough demand for it (I haven't looked myself) then that sounds great!
Anyway if you see that there’s enough demand for it (I haven’t looked myself) then that sounds great!
Open !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world and behold the 20 questions asked regarding US politics
Hehehe, yes ofc.
But I meant that how much is temporary vs. a long-standing issue, and ofc much of that overlaps heavily with more general interest - e.g. "List of book and/or film titles dealing with resistance movements--organization, strategy, tactics, etc?" is most definitely not something dealing solely with USA politics.
But also I know that you tend to have your idea on the ball regarding such matters, so even more than the above thought my reply was also my way of saying that I'll take your word for it bc surely you know better than me:-).
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Came here to say that. I wasn't covered by GDPR under spez's site - but luckily their policies treated me like I was anyways.
I moved to kbin.social - which was probably the 2nd largest after lemmy.world. Also, it was Polish.
What I liked about that was - as per my understanding - since these are hosted in the EU, the GDPR applies to my data here even if I'm not the EU myself and am not an EU citizen.
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I looked up lemmy.ml out of interest (I realise you aren't classifying it as generalist). Anyway: it says that the server is in France.
Also, if you're able to lookup by IP instead of URL, you can bypass any CloudFlare confusion, and confirm that LW is hosted in Finland.
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The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
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Sure, it's either everyone cares, or no one cares. No in between. Dude.
Look at the statistics. US has 1K servers. Thats 1 server per 340 000 people. France has 1 server per 82 000 people. Germany has 1 server per 114 000 people. See where I'm going with this?
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I just want to say, you’ll be much better off if you forget about the points and try to ignore them. Taking all this to heart with such intensity will only stress you, since you can’t decide how others perceive you and your takes.
Just chill, participate and enjoy. Otherwise, what’s the point?
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Maybe this isn’t such a bad thing since the EU had better data privacy laws?
-USAmerican
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Out of the top 20, there is Midwest.social and Lemmy.today but they are quite small (326 and 201 monthly active users).
I was referring to the tendency of US citizens to overtake generically named communities like !politics@lemmy.world
If LW was managed by a US team, why not, but it's not so it just seems strange
I would guess that most users are us americans despite them not managing the instance.
That's where i am coming from when i say, that it doesn't matter where the instance is hosted
Incendiary Weapons: New Use Calls for Immediate Action
Stronger Law Needed to Govern Weapon with Cruel Effects
Geneva - Countries concerned by the severe physical, psychological, socioeconomic, and environmental harm caused by incendiary weapons should work to strengthen the international law that governs them, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. States party to the Convention on Conventional Weapons (CCW) should condemn the use of incendiary weapons and agree to assess the adequacy of the treaty’s Protocol III on Incendiary Weapons when they hold their annual meeting at the United Nations in Geneva from November 13 to 15, 2024.
“Governments should seize the moment to reiterate their concerns about incendiary weapons and discuss ways to strengthen the law to better protect civilians. A complete ban on incendiary weapons would undoubtedly have the greatest humanitarian benefits.”
16 U.S. States Still Ban Community-Owned Broadband Networks Because AT&T and Comcast Told Them To
16 U.S. States Still Ban Community-Owned Broadband Networks Because AT&T and Comcast Told Them To
For years we’ve noted how U.S. broadband is expansive, patchy, and slow thanks to mindless consolidation, regulatory capture, regional monopolization, and limited competition. That’…Techdirt
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Expanding rural broadband access is a necessity if we want to scrape back the country from the fascists.
So it ain't happening.
This repository is dedicated to organizing the structure of the utility of Simple Moving Average (SMA) Outfits in public equity markets and controlled system's impact on wealth distribution.
GitHub - raultrades/SMA-outfits: Analysis of SMA outfit (blackbox) use in public equity markets for real-time insight into wealth distribution and direct stock market influence. A call for transparency and public discourse.
Analysis of SMA outfit (blackbox) use in public equity markets for real-time insight into wealth distribution and direct stock market influence. A call for transparency and public discourse. - raul...GitHub
What is your favorite Fediverse platform?
I'll go first...
My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024
- Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.
- Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.
- Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I'm on
- Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don't know how but there's FediVideo.
- Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.
BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately
WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog...RIP.
It technically still is in development. But all the devs lack time, and the devs themselves officialy recomment WriteFreely on the Plume website.
Even though Plume has features that are nothing but TBD plans for WriteFreely (e.g. comments, built-in image storage).
Iirc Mastodon is about to add a global search function. I've never used it, nor even Twitter (back before it was cancelled into X), just passing on what I heard.
And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of "Lemmy" (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).
And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of “Lemmy” (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).
It is quite an old graphic.
What's interesting is that currently, the site is broken, but in the footer you can see the last set of magazines that were new.
Which means the database is still intact, and if not a full resurrection, we could get our data back at least (I lost a lot of content when kbin.social went down). Just gotta figure out who to contact - which company is actually maintaining or hosting the servers that kbin.social run on..
I use peertube.tv.
Stux (from mstdn.social) is the admin and he's generally pretty great a running stuff. I haven't used it a ton lately but no complaints!
Edit: Daaaamn. Just realized that registrations are disabled. Bummer. Sorry.
Right now the tools wouldn't support mainstream users anyway. They will only come after those are ready, and even then it will be a struggle.
But for now, e.g. a good fraction of the time on PieFed.social a notification won't take me to where it is intending to send me, bc of some prior comment being collapsed, hidden, buried in a thread, etc. - and this is the kind of stuff that will quickly send mainstream people packing.
I try to post little things aken to Tumblr shitposts but I've gotten a grand total of 0 likes.
Following hashtags is really powerful and useful on Mastodon. You can click any hashtag on a post to see other posts that use it, and if you like it there's a button you can click to start following that hashtag. You can also search for hashtags in the Explore section. Since there's no algorithm, hashtags are the primary way to get things that interest you into your feed.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services posts tips on how to use Mastodon, so it's really helpful to follow as a newbie.
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services posts lists of interesting accounts on Mastodon, usually by topic. It's a good way to grow your follow list!
Nextcloud is federated? First time I hear about that.
For me it's Lemmy, without a doubt. Never used Twitter, tried mastodon to see what it's all about, didn't like it.
Matrix seems decent, but nobody I know uses it, and finding useful groups is painful, especially on other instances (servers, whatever they call them).
Also, I am confused at why nextcloud is at the intersection of networking, music, and multimedia.
Yes it technically has a video viewer and music player, but I would be very surprised if any person in the world right now is genuinely using it to post that content to the fediverse social-network style.
Instead, I switched from goodreads to StoryGraph like two years ago.
I really like some of its features like content warnings, moods, very detailed stats of my reading habits, etc.
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PieFed communicates with Lemmy. Same content, different platform. That's one awesome thing about federation.
There is also mbin (fork of kbin), and Sublinks, which is API compatible with Lemmy so should be able to use Lemmy apps with it (from memory, this is what Beehaw are hoping to move to).
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Lemmy admins can already see who downvotes what, I'm sure they already ban accounts who systematically downvote their communities content
It's a tool. If some admins power trip, well report them on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I wanna check out the fediverse blogging platforms, they seem interesting. Which one would you recommend? I looked at writefreely but it seems that none of the instances let you post as many blogs as you want unless you pay?
Also, is anyone working a fediverse IMDB/letterboxed alternative that uses OMDB dataset?
Perhaps a Bookwyrm fork could make it not too hard to start.
On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:
- Hiding downvoted comments (mob rule)
- Marking people with many downvotes as "low reputation". I get it, getting many downvotes is a bad sign but I don't think the software should try to make a ruling here, I think human moderators should look at the whole picture. It doesn't make you a bad person that people disagree with you.
- Communities organized into "topics" - I'm not certain if these groupings are decided by the dev or the admin? Either way I find it a bit problematic.
- Marking certain communities as "low effort" and not counting "reputation" for those. I don't feel like the software should be making this kind of value judgement.
If it helps:
1) this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically "collapses" comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that "hides" comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user's behest.
2) it does have such a "reputation" feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather "known" for such. But crucially, it's a label - it doesn't hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it's a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won't work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.
Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it's something, and again it's just a label).
Yeah, I constantly get downvoted - and some of my posts are among the most heavily downvoted content existing in certain communities (but I also note that such things as Innuendo Studios The Alt Right Playbook got heavily downvoted by the same community as well so... I feel vindicated:-). So I mean it when I say that believe me I KNOW what you mean when expressing those concerns. Perhaps the experiment won't work out, or perhaps it merely needs tuning - e.g. so that any one post or comment doesn't weigh so heavily but rather only their aggregate (median rather than mean perhaps? or maybe only the binary choice of positive or negative total score, and even then perhaps not centered at zero but something more highly negative like -10?).
Also PieFed.social has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so those sources of downvoting are entirely removed. It also preferentially weights scores more highly feedback from those with high reputation already - which state I achieved in roughly a week and with only two posts, one a cross-post of the other even. So it's not like seniors are locking out the noobs.
Anyway yes there's enormous potential for misuse there, but it's also something that people have been clamoring for - so it's something that they are being responsive enough to try it out?
3) I'm not sure about the categories - but again the devs are very responsive so surely easy to change things? Also I've definitely joined communities that aren't in those, and while there are large federation issues with any non-Lemmy.World instance right now (I see the same from many instances including my 2 alt accounts elsewhere - so it has little to nothing to do with PieFed; especially after the enormous surge in content surrounding the USA election), I believe that they show up in the main feed.
4) I have never heard that before but I would support it - more "experimental" communities should be allowed, to try things out, a "safe space" if you will:-).
All of these are valid concerns - and seem like they are being worked on.
Absolutely 💯!
And truth be told, we don't know what the future holds as well. As moderation tools improve on Lemmy.World, as communities evolve, and new concepts rise to the foreground e.g. PieFed, and also Sublinks, both on top of Mbin too.
A year ago I thought one way about e.g. communities located on Lemmy.ml, then time passed and I changed my mind. Then technology changed and I switched instances to follow.
What I am saying is: it is so fantastic to have choices! ☺️ THAT is the real win in this situation, IMHO, whether I end up liking PieFed's approach or not. 🏆
- Mbin
- Misskey forks (I use CherryPick, but Sharkey is good too)
- PeerTube
- PieFed
- Mastodon
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Mastdon is alr ig
Closed source and aimed for kids, sorry
Already read its ToS
It will suffer the same fate as Roblox
I will concede that it could be problematic, but as for "bad", I think that depends heavily on the implementation?
A positive example: "new" accounts could be labeled, to help identify someone who e.g. could use some pointers as for how to do formatting, like how to embed rather than simply link to an image. I have zero issues with this kind of factually-based, simple labels, and from looking at the user requests in various places (Ask Lemmy, Shower Thoughts, etc.), people very much want this.
Now, complex labels on the other hand, or those that are not straightforward but rather deceivingly simplistic such as "this person is GOOD, this other person is BAD" are a whole other matter altogether. I'm with you there.
So what about the in-between: is it worth it to use spam filters at all, even though it might throw out something good along the way? The answer to that seems to me to be how well it is tuned, and also ofc up to the user to decide if worth it to them or not. On that note, the account admin piefed.social/u/rimu has an "attitude" score that I've seen hovering around the 75-82% range, so I doubt we would see a filter such as "must never downvote or receive downvotes", or 90%, or even 50%. On the other hand, if let's say ~>90% of someone's every single post and comment were downvoted heavily, on an account older than let's say a month, that seems like a different story? That speaks to a repeated pattern of someone not taking a hint as to how their content affects others around them. A horrible implementation could be too simple minded and count e.g. every post or comment as "bad" even if it received 1000+ upvotes but got one downvote, but a smart implementation could do MUCH better than such?
Ofc people could misuse those in any case - but how is that different from anything else? e.g. I could see a "he/him", and decide that I don't want to talk with "a man" or "a person who uses pronouns". And frankly, someone uses such quick judgement calls is perhaps best to avoid talking with their hated audience anyway, if they are e.g. misogynistic or whatever.
Gaming the system is a better counterargument - but that too is like spam filtering: not a reason to not do it at all (and thereby allow all spam through?), but rather realizing that no system is perfect. Which is why I like how these are LABELS, not filters. (There are filters too, but those are per-comment/post, not per-user.)
So, as long as it is optional, and not heavy-handed, I am excited to see how this may develop. Definitely there are concerns, as there would be for any software project or social media endeavor. Remember that there are significant concerns with Lemmy as well:-) - e.g. a good fraction of people on Reddit refuse to check us out due to the known political leanings of the devs. However, it's a strong counterargument that the model is federated, so someone doesn't have to join lemmy.ml, yet can still make use of the software from them. Btw the same applies to PieFed as well - it is open source and anyone can spin up their own instance.
So: we'll see how it develops. I think that an extremely limited amount of labelling could be helpful, if applied with care and consideration.
I was a Mastodon artist before, but then I almost left the Fediverse and came back restarting my entire social status also.
I have characters, but no inspriation.
Plus, I killed off my WordPress websites because the CEO was setting a bad example.
Ackchually, most of the Fediverse runs on professionally-operated Hetzner rack iron at huge data centres in Germany.
Even if this comes from 22% of the Fediverse being mastodon.social.
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For me it's definitely Lemmy. I don't like the microblogging format and never have. I've always used forums and then reddit.
The fediverse just works so well with Lemmy I think. It's so fun seeing new communities from instances I've never heard of. I think this format is perfect for the fediverse
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Peertube - the linux experiment is all i got so far but more content would b great. Also tubular integration is sick
Matrix
Mastodon
Havnt tried the rest but open to beibg convinced
You’d like Fediverse apps instead of all the more mainstream apps the world is using.
I left Facebook and Reddit because other people in my life are the real monsters.
Mastodon and Lemmy are nicer communities depending on what instance you go to.
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I pretty much only use Lemmy but also contact friends and share photos on a Nextcloud instance one of them kindly provided (I assume it isn't federated though?).
I would really like to start using matrix but unless I host my own instance and get everything ready I'll never be able to convince my friends to switch, though some of them are slowly getting fed up with discord too.
I mostly use Discord for a few group chats, unixporn (please post more of it to Lemmy :3 !unixporn@lemmy.world) and some BG3 stuff. If the group chats moved to Matrix+Jitsi or even some form of Signal (that is still foss and does not require a phone number, self-hosted if possible) I would barely use Discord.
Edit because somehow I missed the most relevant part: I already barely get memes or trolls so not too many changes there.
Hubzilla. Closely followed by the intentionally nameless fork of a fork...... of Hubzilla that's colloquially being referred to as (streams).
Perks of both (excerpt):
- not based on ActivityPub, it's actually optional; you can turn/keep it off if you want to
- nomadic identity; my channels are resilient against instance shutdown because they aren't restricted to one instance
- multiple channels = IDs on one and the same account/login; no need to register additional user accounts for this, and you can easily switch back and forth between channels
- OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, both client-side and server-side support
- very extensive permission settings that let me control what I see, what I don't see and what others can see and do
- per-contact permission settings
- per-channel blacklist/whitelist filter plus per-contact blacklist/whitelist filters plus keyword-triggered, automatically generated, reader-side content warnings, supporting regex and (except the latter) a special filter syntax for extra features
- what's "lists" on Mastodon is actually useful because you can use it both to filter your stream and to limit whom you send a post to, not to mention much easier to maintain
- a concept of conversations, you can follow entire discussions, and you generally receive all replies to a post (something that at least Mastodon doesn't have, by the way)
- not only native support for discussion groups/forums, but they can and do host their own moderated discussion groups/forums (Mastodon has neither)
- no arbitrary character limits, characters only limited by the instance database (on (streams), that's theoretically over 24,000,000 characters for one post)
- probably more text formatting options than your typical blogging platform and definitely more than any microblogging project in the Fediverse
- full-blown blog posts rendered gracefully
- non-standard BBcode tags for special features, often observer-aware
- embedded links; no need to plaster URLs into your posts in plain sight
- images can be embedded "in-line" within the post with text above them and text below them
- no limit on how many images a post can have
- unlimited poll options
- multiple-word hashtags
- post categories in addition to hashtags
- tag cloud plus category cloud/list
- quotes
- "quote-tweets"
- extensively customisable Web UI
- built-in file storage with a built-in file manager, per-file and per-directory permissions settings and WebDAV support that's used for images and other media you embed in your posts (unlike on Mastodon and Lemmy, you know where your uploaded images land, and you can delete them yourself if you need to)
- federated event calendar with support for Event-type objects
- built-in CalDAV calendar server (headless on (streams))
- built-in CardDAV address book server (headless)
- support for OAuth and OAuth2
- modular; can be extended with official or, if available, third-party "apps", widgets and themes
Extra perks of Hubzilla:
- currently more reliable
- more active development
- easier to get new users on board because hubs are listed on various Fediverse sites, and more public hubs are available
- newer and more configurable version of the Redbasic theme
- switchable night mode
- multiple profiles per channel which can be assigned to certain connections
- you can configure new connections before you confirm them
- can also connect to diaspora*
- can also subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds
- event calendar also doubles as a basic frontend for the CalDAV server
- non-federating, long-form articles
- "cards" that work largely the same
- built-in wiki engine based on either BBcode or Markdown for as many wikis of your own as you want to, each with as many pages as you want
- support for webpages (the official Hubzilla website is on a Hubzilla channel itself)
Extra perks of (streams):
- more advanced
- better integration of ActivityPub into the two supported nomadic protocols
- contact suggestions also include ActivityPub contacts
- new default theme in addition to an older Redbasic version
- reworked, more powerful but easier-to-use permissions system
- easier to use once you're on board
- supports BBcode, Markdown and HTML within the same post
- can set Mastodon's sensitive flag for images
- built-in announcement/boost/repost/renote/repeat remover, no need to use filter syntax for that
- extra protection against both mention spam and hashtag spam
- alt-text can be added to images upon upload, no need to graft it into the image-embedding markup code
- verification of external identities (available on Mastodon as well, but not on Hubzilla)
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The reality is that, although there are quite a few standalone Wayland compositors, you don't hear about most of them, because almost all of them suck in one way or another if you go beyond opening terminals.
Ah, classic Vaxry. I'm sure he would love it if his compositor was the only one.
I lost interest after that.
I'm not the one going around making statements that imply reliable wayland compositors can just be readily whipped up and shipped out.
You can complain about the guy's ego if you feel like he's talking up his product too much, but if you're going to reject valid statements he's making under the assumption that they're all self-motivated and therefore incorrect, then you should be able to justify the position.
I knew that's where you were going. I knew it.
I said nothing of the sort about the validity of his statements. I did not engage in an ad hominem (i.e. Vaxry is an asshole, therefore he's wrong). I did not imply that it was easy to make a compositor. You were the one that read all those things into my statement and took umbrage on his behalf.
I implied it sounded like complaining, specifically about other people simply existing and having hobbies that intersect with his own. If his opening salvo is "almost all the other compositors suck beyond opening terminal windows," on a blog post titled, "We don't need more Wayland compositors," I'm not required to be interested in what sounds like hyperbolic criticism.
And since that choice is based on my entirely subjective assessment, I'm not required to justify shit.
I understand your perspective but at the end of the day all you're doing is justifying why you should be able to disregard this guy's blog post under the premise that he comes off as someone who's full of himself.
At the end of the day vaxray's ability to state that "almost all the other compositors suck beyond opening terminal windows" should be tied to whether or not the statement is true/justifiable; it shouldn't be tied to whether or not people can't stand the optics of it.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm obligated to take every claim and see if it's backed up by evidence.
I'm not, and I don't feel any compulsion to find out if Vaxry has made rational claims or not. That's the beauty of using subjective reasoning; it's not reasonable for anyone but the subject (me).
Be my guest and see if he's justified. Tell other people. I stopped caring what he has to say here the minute I read that paragraph, and I choose not to hear him out any further either way.
why you should be able to disregard this guy's blog post under the premise that he comes off as someone who's full of himself.
Have i got news for you. No one has to give a shit about any blogpost. You could make a blogpost outlining the exact way to correctly build a cold fusion reactor for 25$ and nobody would be obligated to give a fuck. Its your job to convince people to give a fuck about what your saying and usually being an asshole is not the best way to do that. Do some introspection.
Linus Torvalds and Kent Overstreet (the main developer of bcachefs) often argued on the Linux mailing list over adherence to long-standing practices when submitting pull requests. In the latest confrontation, Kent dropped this absolute clown shoes response:
If you're so convinced you know best, I invite you to start writing your own filesystem. Go for it.
Narrated by Aussie Waylandman: I recommend watching the entire video, it's very entertaining.
Oh no, he's shilling his own project after transitioning to a different technology.
Do you even hear yourself? I think you should stick with "He's a biggot" type of comments, because this just makes you look stupid.
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The reality is that, although there are quite a few standalone Wayland compositors, you don’t hear about most of them, because almost all of them suck in one way or another if you go beyond opening terminals.
Oh, fuck off! I can barely use Blender because dragging a spinner control does something with the cursor that makes Hyprland shit its pants. It's been fixed and broken several times. May or may not be related: Vaxry has expressed his disdain for Blender in issue notes. (edit) found it: github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/iss…
(edit2) I should also mention that Hyprland is the only compositor where this happens. KDE Plasma, Qtile-wayland, Sway, Wayfire are all fine.
Oh come on! First, you hate on COSMIC for taking away some of the noob user base, now you hate on other compositors for taking some of your other user base.
Why can't you be happy that there are other projects in this space? Why can't you just be happy that people are now more likely to find a project which works for them? Is it because your own project is losing users, now that people are no longer trapped to it, because it's no longer the only good project in the space?
Even Brodie admitted that you're not completely right on many of your takes, so why not focus on what you're good at, aka writing a Wayland compositor?
Edit: It seems that I should have read the article. He talks about things from a different point of view, but if you're looking to write a proper Wayland "window manager", there is only one real choice and it's not Hyprland, it's the upcoming River 0.4.0 which will use a custom protocol, based on the layout managers that River was already made for. Basically the dev, Isaac, is moving as much of the window management into the "layout manager" protocol to turn River into a base for writing your own Window manager.
It's one of the main project releases I'm the most excited about in the Linux space.
I'm a big fan of niri, which is a scrolling tiling compositor. I always had a soft spot for tiling wms/compositors, but couldn't stick with any of them for long until I tried niri, and wholeheartedly embraced the scrolling tiling world.
Very friendly upstream & community, and written in a modern language, too.
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Cosmic-comp is my second favorite after hyprland so far due to their tiling being quite well thought-out. The problem is, it's part of a DE and is somewhat cumbersome to configure as a standalone compositor (can be fixed by patching libcosmic, tho), and also it's quite bare-bones when it comes to features.
Then there's pinnacle which looks promising, but I haven't yet tried to daily-drive it.
Also, maybe qtile, which has a Wayland back-end.
I've tried both Polonium and a updated fork of Kröhnkite for Plasma 6, and neither them were as nice as Hyprland...
Whoa - hyprland is made by a transphobe?
Edit: whoa it really is. I joined their discord and saw like, very strict anti-lgbtqphobic rules and thought that they must be good. But looking into him... Turns out the rules are there because he'd let it fester into a 4chan toxic hellhole
For standalone desktops, Hyprland is undeniably your best base at the moment to write a window manager.
Well, it took him more than 2/3 of the post to mention hyprland, so I'll give him props for that.
The reality is that, although there are quite a few standalone Wayland compositors, you don't hear about most of them, because almost all of them suck in one way or another if you go beyond opening terminals.For standalone desktops, Hyprland is undeniably your best base at the moment to write a window manager.
If you don't believe it, see some amazing WM plugins for Hyprland on Github,
Your favorite tiling WM doesn't have a Wayland port? Pick up the initiative yourself and write a Hyprland plugin that makes it behave like your WM of choice.
Said the person who maintains Hyprland. This post reads like an ad for his own project.
Isn't this the toxic dev, who dislikes any other Wayland Compositors? This guy is also banned from contributing to Freedesktop here and here. And here is a post from Drew Hyprland is a toxic community.
I'm not surprised about this blog post. I argue we need more compositors. More means, more to choose from and being less reliant on the few that are available right now. What if someone does not like Hyprland in example or any of the current available compositors? Having more to choose from is a good thing, not bad. I'm so thankful that Hyprland is not the only one we have. One example is the programming language that the project is written in. Why does it matter? Maybe because people want to contribute or understand the code or want to make changes. In example Qtile is written in Python and its configuration language is in Python too.
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- Get kicked from freedesktop for fostering a toxic community.
- Ditch wlroots for your own compositor.
- Shit on other compositors in your spare time.
- Tell people they should just be plugging into Hyprland instead of rolling their own compositor.
Man if I was concerned about sinking the time to make a configuration for the compositor with a bus factor of 1 man-child, and a toxic community; I can't imagine anybody investing the time to make a compositor is going to want to hitch themselves to that cart.
The compositor is really solid and makes for a great user experience but I'll be fucked if every word vaxry writes doesn't make me want to move to sway or niri.
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Click baity title aside. This is actually pretty much pretty true. What the vast majority of people want when they're writing their own composers seems to be specifically the custom window management aspects.
And it is true that even with something like Wlroots or a Smithay, it is a lot of works right your own composer and have it be "competitive". And he is right. There are a lot of composers out there that are just not usable for anything more than the basics. And there are tons more which are just toys that have been abandoned that aren't really usable. That being said we saw a lot of that with window managers, But yes, writing a compositor is a lot more then writing a window manager.
I personally don't use hyperland, but I can see the point he's trying to make, and I think it's a rather good point. I think if we had more compositors that focused on having a scriptable window management, then that would be for the better.
I don't really see this as toxic either. I mean, if it's toxic to call a composite or trash in one way or another, then I would argue that 90% of the Linux community is far more toxic than he is. It's just a matter of truth. Wayland is a big complicated thing with a lot of protocols and some of it is poorly documented.
And of course, this is him shilling his own composter. It's his own composter, and this is the blog about him making his own composter. Of course he's gonna put a post on it, shilling his own compositor.
That being said, As I said earlier, I would like to see a more scriptable take for things like window management. I don't think hyprland has to be unique in this aspect, but as it stands, it most definitely is.
pardon my weird language, its hard to use STT.
I don't think Hyprland has to be unique.... but as it stands, it most definitely is.
It isn't. River 0.4.0 will be turning River into a base to build your own window manager, taking it much further than Hyprland ever could, with a custom protocol, etc.
There was one, paper-something, but i think it's abandoned now?
I didn't read it yet but just from the title I'ma disagree. I loved all the creative me for xorg over the years and hope to see it in Wayland even more.
Will update after I read it
unexposedhazard
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Yep, business as usual. Every single time.
Viking_Hippie
in reply to unexposedhazard • • •This part is also very typical:
Had it been an Arab mob attacking an Israeli taxi driver, you BET there'd have been arrests!
Hell, if it had happened in the US, the taxi driver would probably have been arrested for bruising the knuckles of the Israelis with bogus charges of "resisting arrest" and "assaulting a police officer" tacked on to increase the length of their sentence!
9point6
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •If a country is actively invading another we usually don't permit them in international sporting events.
The fans should never have been there, they should never have been welcome until the war is over.
freagle
in reply to 9point6 • • •.Donuts
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