Upstream Linux Developers Take Aim At TUXEDO's Out-Of-Tree GPLv3 Drivers
A new patch series posted today to the Linux kernel mailing list would block kernel modules/drivers from TUXEDO Computers from accessing GPL-only symbols in the kernel.TUXEDO Computers maintains a set of kernel drivers currently out-of-tree for their various laptops for additional functionality around power profiles, keyboard backlight controls, WMI, sensor monitoring, the embedded controller, and other functionality. They have said they want to eventually mainline these drivers but in the name of allowing for rapid hardware support they maintain them out-of-tree and ship them with their Ubuntu-based TUXEDO OS and also have the driver sources available via GitLab.
The issue at hand though is that these kernel drivers marked as GPLv3+ and that conflicts with the upstream Linux kernel code licensed as GPLv2. There was a commit to change the driver license from GPLv3 to GPL(v2) but was reverted by TUXEDO Computers on the basis of "until the legal stuff is sorted out."
Update: TUXEDO Computers Relicenses Some Of Their Drivers To GPLv2
As of yesterday, TUXEDO Computers has now been able to re-license their driver consisting of fully in-house code from GPLv3 to GPLv2+. These are the TUXEDO Computers drivers where it's all written by TUXEDO employees and not having to worry about code from any third-party developers or other vendors.The gxtp7380, ite_8291, ite_8291_lb, ite_8297, stk8321, tuxedo_compatibility_check, tuxedo_nb02_nvidia_power_ctrl, and tuxedo_tuxi drivers are the initial ones able to be moved to the GPLv2+ licensing for satisfying upstream Linux kernel developers. Moving the other drivers to GPLv2+ will take longer due to needing to check with the associated parties that contributed to those drivers.
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Phone network employs AI "grandmother" to waste scammers' time with meandering conversations. Finally a good use for generative AI!
Phone network employs AI "grandmother" to waste scammers' time with meandering conversations
The creation of O2, the UK's largest mobile network operator, Daisy, or dAIsy, is an AI created to trick scammers into thinking they are talking to a...Rob Thubron (TechSpot)
TSMC sued for race and citizenship discrimination at its Arizona facilities
TSMC sued for race and citizenship discrimination at its Arizona facilities (updated)
TSMC has been accused of preferring Taiwanese employees.Andrew E. Freedman (Tom's Hardware)
I expect China will be able to make EUV machines domestically within a few years. What's more exciting is that China is actively exploring alternative computing substrates. If one of those pans out, then it could make silicon look like vacuum tubes overnight. For example, stuff like this looks very promising sciencedirect.com/science/artiâŠ
The reality is that we're now hitting physical limits of what you can do with silicon effectively. There's really no path forward past 1nm. Whoever manages to scale up production f a new computing substrate first will have a huge advantage going forward. China is most likely to get there before the west because it's a state driven effort.
Meanwhile, the west largely relies on companies and competition to drive innovation, and it's not profitable for companies to invest huge amounts of money into research that will take many years to bear fruit. Instead, they focus on short term profits and squeezing what they can out of current technologies.
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Disneyâs streaming business is finally finding its footing
Disneyâs streaming business is finally finding its footing
Disneyâs streaming business was profitable for the second time in a row, with profit soaring to $321 million in Q4 2024, up from $47 million last quarter.Emma Roth (The Verge)
Given the 96 deal was, Russia gets it nukes back in exchange for respecting Ukraine's borders.
Developing them may not be so stupid. Using them first, sure, stupid. As it is for any nation. But MAD was effective with Russia. While no nuke reprisal ability, clearly leads them not to give a shit about treaties they agrred to.
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I def would rather not have more nukes about if it can be avoided.
Just maybe not stupid. When you consider Ukraine was pretty much the home of the USSRs weapons tech, People there developed most of the nukes and the MIG aircraft. That is likely why in part Russia want it. The expertise is still very much there as we saw with Ukraine MIGs compared to Russia. They have been upgrading since the 90s.
I'd guess if any nation was able to throw this together as a MAD Like defence in time for trumps potential withdrawal. It would be these guys.
Also given how close to Moscow, They are. The tech would really only need to be 1945 level for Russia to recognise the risk of continuing.
System76 Meerkat Linux mini PC gets a spec bump, still ships with a 2-year-old Intel processor
The System76 Meerkat is a mini PC thatâs basically a rebranded Intel/Asus NUC that ships with the System76 logo, comes with a number of memory, storage, and wireless configuration options and offers customers a choice of two Linux-based operating systems Ubuntu or Pop!_OS.
Linux PC company System76 has been selling Meerkat mini PCs since 2015, and the company recently updated the lineup with new models featuring 13th-gen Intel Core processors based on âRaptor Lakeâ architecture. Prices for the new model start at $549.
The starting price is for a model with an Intel Core i3-1315U processor, 16GB of DDR4-3200 RAM, and a 250GB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD. But customers can pay more for up to a Core i7-1360P processor, 64GB of RAM, and up to 16TB of storage.
System76 offers a choice of âshortâ or âtallâ models. The short versions has two M.2 slots: one for PCIe Gen 4 storage and another for PCIe Gen 3. Tall models also have a room for a 2.5 inch SATA SSD or hard drive.
The company also offers an option to âdisable WiFi + Bluetooth,â but itâs worth noting that this doesnât affect the price.
This yearâs model is a modest spec bump over last yearâs model, which came with 12th-gen Intel Core chips. But it still feels a little behind the times: Intelâs Raptor Lake chips first launched in early 2023 and the chip maker has launched two new generations of processors since then: Meteor Lake and Lunar Lake.
While Intel has highlighted the AI capabilities of those new chips, which are the companyâs first to include neural processing units (NPU) for hardware-accelerated AI, the newer chips also bring CPU, graphics, and efficiency improvements that make it unusual to see a brand new mini PC in late 2024 that features a 13th-gen processor instead of one of the newer chips.
The mini PCâs other features include support for up to four displays (thanks to two HDMI 2.1 ports and two Thunderbolt 4 ports, a 2.5 GbE Ethernet port, support for WiFi 6E and Bluetooth, and three USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A ports and a headphone jack.
Short models measure 117 x 112 x 37mm (4.6âł x 4.4âł x 1.5âł), while the tall model is 54mm (2.1âł) high.
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UN committee: Israelâs warfare methods in Gaza âconsistent with genocideâ
Israelâs warfare in the Gaza Strip is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, a United Nations committee has said, accusing the country of âusing starvation as a method of warâ.
In a report published on Thursday, the UN Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices accused the country of âusing starvation as a method of warâ, resulting in âmass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditionsâ for Palestinians.
âSince the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life â food, water, and fuel,â it said.
âThese statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israelâs intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.â
Israelâs warfare methods in Gaza âconsistent with genocideâ: UN committee
Israel âusing starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian populationâ.Al Jazeera
Just banks and federal employees.
You will of course be required to be in the office that day.
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Ah, the good old days of serfdom when peasants were tied to the land/manor and its Lord in a slave-like state.
You see some wild shit on Lemmy apparently.
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To be fair, they aren't entirely out of range of reasonableness here.
Question 8 : In what way does the proletarian differ from the serf?Answer : The serf enjoys the possession and use of an instrument of production, a piece of land, in exchange for which he hands over a part of his product or performs labour. The proletarian works with the instruments of production of another for the account of this other, in exchange for a part of the product. The serf gives up, the proletarian receives. The serf has an assured existence, the proletarian has not. The serf is outside competition, the proletarian is in it. The serf frees himself either by running away to the town and there becoming a handicraftsman or by giving his landlord money instead of labour and products, thereby becoming a free tenant; or by driving his feudal lord away and himself becoming a proprietor, in short, by entering in one way or another into the owning class and into competition. The proletarian frees himself by abolishing competition, private property and all class differences.
-The Principles of Communism
Marx's analysis of Capitalism and predictions of where it heads are proven more correct with the passage of time. The reason the Proletarian is exploited to a greater degree than the serf is due to the nature of commodity production. As the M-C-M' circuit, whereby M is an initial sum of money, C the commodity produced with M, and M' the greater sum of money after selling said commodity is the basis of Capitalist production, said process is incentivized to be maximized. In Feudalism, rent is extracted and the rest kept for subsistence, in Capitalism wages are set by cost of continued existence and replacement, moving up or down mostly by societal norms.
The serfs did not have it better, of course. However, the nature of their production was limited to the low technological development of the time. With mass factories Capitalism was transitioned to, and now with complex development of production in the hands of massive, monopolist syndicates and cartels, we can move beyond Capitalism to Socialized prodiction, central planning and public ownership, far easier than ever before.
The serfs had it worse, but owned more of their production.
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The peasantry worked fewer hours because of the nature of production. Capitalist commodity production seeks to maximize profits, and does so by ensuring wages are regulated by cost of subsistence and replacement. Feudalism operated differently, peasants worked for themselves and produced essentially rent for their feudal lords, and thus did not have maximized working hours.
Question 8 : In what way does the proletarian differ from the serf?Answer : The serf enjoys the possession and use of an instrument of production, a piece of land, in exchange for which he hands over a part of his product or performs labour. The proletarian works with the instruments of production of another for the account of this other, in exchange for a part of the product. The serf gives up, the proletarian receives. The serf has an assured existence, the proletarian has not. The serf is outside competition, the proletarian is in it. The serf frees himself either by running away to the town and there becoming a handicraftsman or by giving his landlord money instead of labour and products, thereby becoming a free tenant; or by driving his feudal lord away and himself becoming a proprietor, in short, by entering in one way or another into the owning class and into competition. The proletarian frees himself by abolishing competition, private property and all class differences.
-The Principles of Communism
This isn't to say the serfs had it materially better, but that their mode of production was different. Their low level of technological development stood in the way of great progress, and we cannot return back to such a model, but instead should progress onward to Socialism now that Capitalism has largely run its course and centralized most modern industries for central planning and public ownership.
Marxism is useful for understanding this phenomena, I made an intro to Marxism reading list if any of you are interested.
There's a staunch libertarian view on Lemmy, wherein people will advocate for personal liberty ahead of technological progress. The Country Mouse has it better than the City Mouse, because he can own a gun and drive a big truck and smoke weed without the neighbors ratting him out to the cops. The lack of basic amenities - subways and school systems and high speed internet and big medical centers - is worth the increased personal autonomy.
The "Serfs had it better" trope takes this to its logical conclusion. Rolling back the technological frontier 500 years is worth it, because the surveillance/police state and the corporate oligopoly even on the fringe of society is seriously that bad.
I don't agree. But I can't really argue against it. This is just a personal preference. Its not any kind of objective truth.
The idea that medieval peasants somehow had more free time than the average modern american still is absolute bullshit
Paleontologists will tell you otherwise. One reason you had all those giant cathedrals going up in the Medieval Era stemmed from the enormous excess labor just wasting around in between harvest seasons.
Agricultural surplus creates free time. It's the whole reason why people opt for farming over hunter gathering.
I'm old enough that my grandpa in 1930's was living not much different than a serf and was constantly malnourished, and it was in one of most fertile parts of Poland, country famous for its fertile fields (it's even in name, Poland means "Land of the fields/farmlands"). And that was 70 years after serfdom was abolished, because before that it was one huge horror story and literal slavery.
In short: peasants did not had it good.
More dysentery also.. like a LOT more dysentery. So much so that people often believed their soul exists in their lower abdomen because when you feel pain there you die shortly after.
Wow that's a lot of dysentery.
Sorry your point lacks proper context based on reality.
Marx's analysis of Capitalism and predictions of where it heads are proven more correct with the passage of time. The reason the Proletarian is exploited to a greater degree than the serf is due to the nature of commodity production. As the M-C-M' circuit, whereby M is an initial sum of money, C the commodity produced with M, and M' the greater sum of money after selling said commodity is the basis of Capitalist production, said process is incentivized to be maximized. In Feudalism, rent is extracted and the rest kept for subsistence, in Capitalism wages are set by cost of continued existence and replacement, moving up or down mostly by societal norms.
Question 8 : In what way does the proletarian differ from the serf?Answer : The serf enjoys the possession and use of an instrument of production, a piece of land, in exchange for which he hands over a part of his product or performs labour. The proletarian works with the instruments of production of another for the account of this other, in exchange for a part of the product. The serf gives up, the proletarian receives. The serf has an assured existence, the proletarian has not. The serf is outside competition, the proletarian is in it. The serf frees himself either by running away to the town and there becoming a handicraftsman or by giving his landlord money instead of labour and products, thereby becoming a free tenant; or by driving his feudal lord away and himself becoming a proprietor, in short, by entering in one way or another into the owning class and into competition. The proletarian frees himself by abolishing competition, private property and all class differences.
-The Principles of Communism
The serfs did not have it better, of course. However, the nature of their production was limited to the low technological development of the time. With mass factories Capitalism was transitioned to, and now with complex development of production in the hands of massive, monopolist syndicates and cartels, we can move beyond Capitalism to Socialized prodiction, central planning and public ownership, far easier than ever before.
I highly recommend those interested to check out my Introductory Reading List on Marxism.
What, specifically, are you asking about? Are you asking about why it was dissolved from the top down and sold for parts to the west? Or is this about something more specific?
For clarity, the Soviet Union marked dramatic improvements for the lives of the Working Class, and showed that Socialism is a working economic model. Asking what went "wrong" without asking specifics helps nobody, the best answer to that is just directing you to Blackshirts and Reds, which took a critical look at what went right and what didn't in the Soviet Union and how it collapsed, along with the brutal reintroduction of Capitalism that killed 7 million people.
You are a serf. removed, you live in Alsace. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin' lord the grain. Your fucking children, you've had 15 children. You've never taken a bath. You've literally never. washed. your. penis. You've never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You've had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke's army.
removed, the greatest thing you can hope for is to die at the ripe old age of 36. You fucking can't read. You don't know what TV is. If you were transported into today, you would be the worst gamer of all time. You don't know shit. You literally probably don't even know what the direction 'left' is. I'm sure some Medieval guy is gonna get mad at me for this, removed I've been to the Renaissance Fair. I've eaten a large turkey wing, which the Juggalos call 'removed beaters', which I think is problematic but a funny thing to call them.
Motherfucker, you gotta recognize where you are, and then you gotta get past that. You gotta be unemotional. You can't sink into this hole. You live in the oubliette. Your job is to crawl up the ladder, motherfucker. You live in the HOLE. You're in the HOLE. You are a RAT. And the rat, when he's in the hole gets fucked. People only throw trash in the hole.
You need to eat a body. And you need to carry the plague. And you need to carry a plague around this whole world, that will change this whole fuckin world. And all your enemies will vomit black bile and will choke on blood and will grow boils and die. But only if you get together with your other RATS. And you come up with some kind of super plague, to fuckin end your enemies and... END THIS NIGHTMARE
That was partly as a result of the Black Death reducing the workforce so much that it put the remaining population in a great bargaining position.
Given Trumps pick of RFK for HSS, Iâd say give it a few years and youâll be in a great position too.
You're describing a few decades out of almost a thousand years of feudalism, in Europe specifically, and it wasn't ever universally true.
A lot of things contributed to that. Not the least of which is the difference between what we'd consider a day off and what they'd consider a day off. Not to mention how they paid taxes and what was actually required of the medieval peasant.
Taxes could be paid in labor or produce. The guys doing the manual labor building a castle were likely to be paying taxes. They did that for up to a third of the year. The rest of the year was theirs to do with as they pleased, and the majority of that time would have been spent growing, gathering, hunting, or maintaining. Guild artisans had the closest thing to jobs that we'd think of them. Coopers made barrels, ropers roped. You had masons and blacksmiths and carpenters sure. Most people were growing and raising food, and maintaining their home. A day off was likely spent doing those things. They had so many partially because that time was needed intermittently.
They worked harder than we do. Every part of their life was harder, required more energy, and took more time.
Taking a day off to relax would have been exceedingly rare and probably maddeningly boring. Though they did party hard.
That's what I was thinking!
Yeh yeh, I get it, Lemmy, we're all wageslaves now and religion is Absolutely Always Bad(TM) /s...but objectively here...
Things like churches and temples were for everyone to commune and worship and gather. They were, and still are, architectural marvels!
Any of us would be so lucky these days to feel any kind of attachment to our community, and to do some kind of work that we can look at and say "That's there because of us."
It's hard for most of us to imagine, I think, because alienation from the results of our labor and each other is so wildly beyond reason in our lifetimes. Even building is essentially factory work anymore. Architecture as art is mostly dead in favor of brutalist templated concrete cubes everywhere.
Not to mention, we're all constantly burned out and exhausted from meaningless grinds that usually amount to "Have a pulse (optional), deal with people, send emails to nowhere in particular. Produce nothing but Co2."
But I like to think this was a positive thing. Building wonders, being a part of your community, having something to be proud of doing, like a collective hobby.
Lol I know I'm waxing romantically whilst likely being very inaccurate, I'm not historian, but I also think we can take the best notions of the past to make the future less awful...
I'm going to be the nerd who talks about how difficult it is for modern, post-Industrial Revolution humans to truly understand how medieval peasants lived. Really, this applies to how ancient and medieval people of all walks of life lived, but for now, let's stick to the topic of this meme. Is it entirely relevant to this post? Eh, probably not, but I'm bored at work and in the mood to ramble.
That meme about how peasants had so many more days off than modern workers? Those "days off" were simply the days when their labor wasnât solely for the benefit of their lord. The days they "worked" were the ones spent fulfilling their feudal obligationsâworking their lordâs fields to stock the larders and granaries of the nobility and clergy. The rest of the year was when peasants worked to sustain their own communities.
Make no mistake: a peasantâs life was one of constant toil. For a medieval peasant, there was no sharp distinction between work and home life like we have today. There were no modern conveniences eitherâeverything required labor. When fields didnât need to be tended, and livestock didnât require care, that was the time for milling grain, baking bread, brewing ale, weaving cloth, etc. God, crafting and maintaining your clothes took so much work, not to mention repairing and upkeeping your cottage.
Granted, these duties were often divided among family and community members. Unless you were a hermit living alone in the woods, no one was expected to do it all themselves. One of the ânicerâ aspects of medieval peasant life was the close bonds within families and communities. People provided for one another. Children and the elderly, while still expected to work, had lighter duties. Bartering and trading goods or services with neighbors was also common.
That said, I donât want to romanticize their lives too much. Here are some of the harsher realities:
- If you were a man, you could be levied into your lordâs army at any time. This meant marching far from home, and risking death in battle. You really, really do not want to find yourself on the losing side of a medieval battle, something completely out of your control as a levied peasant. You also had to provide your own equipment. If you were relatively well-off, this might mean a spear, a shield, and padded armor. If not, youâd bring whatever you hadâlikely a farm tool. Refusing or deserting would leave you an outlaw, and if you were caught you would be flogged and possibly hanged.
- If you werenât called to war (because you were a woman, a child too young to fight, or too old or infirm), you lived in constant fear of armies rampaging through your village. They could destroy your home, steal your valuables, and rape and murder you, regardless of age or gender. With your lordâs army far away (or defeated), youâd be left to defend yourself, and running was your best option.
- Medical care was rudimentary. Alcohol was the primary painkiller, and while there were herbal remedies, their effectiveness was often questionable. Nearly every illness or injury carried the risk of an agonizing death. Infections were almost always fatal. Childbirth was a leading cause of death for women, and as people aged, they faced constant pain with little relief.
Medieval peasants lived lives that, by our standards, were horrific: often short, brutal, and full of hardship. They were at the mercy of powers far beyond their controlâvictims of the whims of history. Yet ignorance truly was bliss. They knew no other way of life. If they were blessed with good times, free of war, famine, or plague, many peasants could lead fulfilling lives, and some, may have even considered themselves happy.
Alex Jones' Infowars Acquired by The Onion
Alex Jones' Infowars Acquired by The Onion
The Onion has acquired Alex Jones' Infowars after a judge ordered his assets be auctioned off, and the conspiracy theorist is not happy.Nikki McCann Ramirez (Rolling Stone)
I will somehow find a 3rd even more awkward thing to do
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Mastering the awkward silence is a very powerful tool. I am not kidding. If done right, people become uncomfortable and start to talk in order to fill the awkward silence. In those anxiety filled moments, people tend to overshare.
Long silence combined with providing minimal information is also an amazing negotiation tool. You'd be shocked how often and by how much people will give up ground when confronted with awkward silence.
That one person is a gem and we should appreciate them. They noticed you got talked over, and made sure to circle back, noticeably so the others don't do it again, to make sure you weren't silenced. It shows they not only noticed, but were bothered by it.
Treasure those people, and be those people.
"it's better to risk and make a fool of yourself by not saying a word rather than speaking and leaving no doubt whatsoever"
- probably an arab philosopher
"it's better to risk and make a fool of yourself by not saying a word rather than speaking and leaving no doubt whatsoever"
- probably an arab philosopher
Containers are chroot with a Marketing Budget
Containers are chroot with a Marketing Budget
In this article, the author explores the concept of containers and how they are essentially chrooted processes. They walk through the process of bu...Earthly Blog
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Um no. Containers are not just chroot. Chroot is a way to isolate or namespace the filesystem giving the process run inside access only to those files. Containers do this. But they also isolate the process id, network, and various other system resources.
Additionally with runtimes like docker they bring in vastly better tooling around this. Making them much easier to work with. They are like chroot on steroids, not simply marketing fluff.
Not that it's really relevant for the discussion, but yes. You can do that, with or without chroot.
That's obviously not the point, but we're already comparing oranges and apples with chroot and containers.
You're comparing apples to oranges. One is a declarative Linux system environment creation solution and the other a daemon that starts sub-system environments using Linux namespaces.
You could in theory use NixOS to define a system environment that you'd run inside of a docker container. It's a bit harder to get systemd running inside of Docker which NixOS heavily relies on but that's beside the point. Easier integrations exist for LXD and systemd-nspawn which actually fulfil an equivalent purpose to Docker. The single component that is most comparable to Docker in a typical NixOS deployment would arguably be its init process (systemd), though its use extends far beyond setting up the namespace (the root namespace in this case).
As I understand it, the problem that both Nix and Docker try to solve is "How do I bundle and run this application in such a way that its dependencies are explicitly specified and don't interfere with anything installed on the host system".
They have different approaches, but I think that goal is the same?
That's Nix, not NixOS.
I also wouldn't be too sure on that "explicit" part for Docker. It's somewhat isolated, sure, but everything but explicit: you can download arbitrary data from wherever you like.
First of all: no, and repeating this nonsense over and over doesn't make it any more true.
Second of all: I truly will never understand the hatred some people have for docker. If you prefer all bare metal install, then fine. But constantly shouting from the rooftops how useless and bad docker is seems a little silly.
People are afraid of what they do not understand. This still holds true here.
And fear leads to hate.
Containers are fine but docker is a pain in the ass that lazy people use when they don't want to provide clean installation/packaging.
How many times have I seen an equivalent of "we use a custom fork of an obsolete version of an unmaintained package, so if you want to compile it yourself good luck because we forgot how we even did it. Alternatively, you can install the docker version"...
Slightly related: my own blogpost about demistifying containers. It takes a quite different approach from the OP and focuses on a different side of containers. Would appreciate any feedback!
Trump victory could ease regulatory path for Muskâs robotaxi, but hurdles remain
Nov 14 (Reuters) - As Teslaâs electric-vehicle sales have flattened this year, CEO Elon Musk has increasingly staked the companyâs future on his vision for self-driving robotaxis, despite the massive technological and regulatory obstacles in delivering them.
Now Musk - as one of President-elect Donald Trump's biggest backers - may have the influence to help break through those regulatory roadblocks.
âIf thereâs a department of government efficiency,â Musk said, âIâll try to help make that happen.â
On Tuesday, Trump tapped Musk and another ally to lead such an entity, which is not a government agency. It remains unclear how the organization will function.
Musk's sway is likely to extend beyond efficiency. The billionaire, who gave at least $119 million to a pro-Trump group during the campaign, is expected to influence the president-electâs pick for the next Transportation Department secretary, according to a person close to Musk and Trumpâs transition planning. That department, which includes the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), regulates automakers and could push through significant changes to the self-driving rules at a national level.
As Israel insists on using starvation as weapon, famine in northern Gaza must be officially declared
Since Israel has been committing the crime of starvation and using it as a means to carry out its genocide against the Palestinian people with the goal of eradicating them, the world is accountable for the famine crisis that Israel has caused in the Gaza Strip. Given the likelihood of dozens of deaths among the hungry every day, the international community is cautioned that this crisis is nearing its peak.
The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification Systemâs Famine Review Committee, a specialised body that evaluates and authorises famine classifications in nations experiencing severe food crises, issued an alert on Friday that warned of the gravity of the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip and its rapid deterioration. It also raised concerns about the imminent and high risk of famine in the northern part of the Strip specifically and the urgent need for the international community to act within daysânot weeksâto lessen the severity of this humanitarian disaster in the northern Gaza Strip.
Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor counters that it is time to formally declare famine in the Gaza Strip, particularly in the north, which is experiencing an unprecedented siege, bombardment, and deprivation of all basic necessities for survival. This declaration would require the international community to fulfill its moral obligations and take all of the necessary legal actions against Israel, such as punishing it with sanctions, preventing it from receiving weapons, and acting quickly to establish a humanitarian corridor and bring in aid and supplies to prevent thousands of Palestinians from starving to death.
As Israel insists on using starvation as weapon, famine in northern Gaza must be officially declared
Israelâs use of starvation as a weapon is one component of its ongoing genocide in the StripEuro-Med Human Rights Monitor
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Israeli minister working to 'maximise annexation of West Bank land'
An Israeli minister has said her office is working at "full speed" to ensure the maximum amount of land is included in the future annexation of the occupied West Bank.
The Minister of Settlements and National Missions Orit Strock, a far-right politician, told Ynet one Wednesday that she dreams of annexation, or declaring "sovereignty" over the Palestinian territory, particularly now under the incoming Trump administration in the US.
The Palestinians living there would be given some rights, but not the right to vote, she said.
Regarding Gaza, she said the government should not bother with an exit strategy from the besieged Palestinian enclave, adding that she is pressing to seize territory there.
Why are people preferring Blue Sky over Mastodon?
Mastodon has been around since 2016 and has 804k MAU.
The platform has 57 third party apps.
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
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To paraphrase my opinion from back then:
- Easier onboarding, and a familiar, easier UX
- customizable feeds you can subscribe to + starterpacks instantly give you full timelines and people to follow (and followers, if you're in many starter packs)
- better discoverability, and therefore higher engagement
- stacking moderation and excellent security features (e.g. detachable quote boosts, "the nuclear block")
- many users who tried Mastodon first had bad experiences with "HOA"-like behavior and over-enthusiastic mods
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Personally, I'm excited there's a decentralized option that's super popular. Yes, relatively very few run their own PDS, but if the main bsky instance becomes a problem for anyone, people can easily migrate.
It's not just data ownership either; The AT protocol supports community-built algorithms, relays, and app views.
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I'm dabbling in Bluesky atm. Having run my own Masto server for over a year at this point. Here's things I've found that Bluesky does just plain better - mostly cause it's not beholden to the whims of the ActivityPub protocol.
- Shows me all replies to any post I happen to come across.
- Lets me see all posts about things I happen to search/look for, including hashtags.
- I don't have to worry about being unable to see content I haven't personally blocked (not so much of an issue on a small/single server like mine though).
- I can repost things (not actually too bothered with this one but many people want it).
- I can set per post reply permissions to a very granular level (no-one, mentioned, followers, specific followers)
- It handles video in a way that works i.e. I can post them, and people can watch them with minimal buffering/waiting.
- Gives me access to community built collections/algorithms that expose the content I want to see.
- It defaults to providing an additional feed driven by what the people I'm following are liking/interacting with.
- Finally, a big one for new users, it provided a default feed of content when I first logged in so that I had something to look at.
The first two are huge on a small/single user server. By default we get nothing, following a single account will get us the content of just that account and the replies that they happen to reply to. A post may get 200 replies, but unless I go looking on the original server I will see a fraction of that. Technical solutions exist to help with this but the Fediverse's penchant for privacy and control (quite rightly) limits the effectiveness (Fedifetcher, GetMoarFedi).
3 is something most people won't think about. But if they become aware they're not seeing something they thought they'd be able to they then have to deep dive into who's defederating who and why.
Most all the other points just make the whole thing a much more seamless experience for your average user. Bootstrapping a list of people to follow on a small server is hard (I'd absolutely recommend creating a Fediverse account somewhere large first to build up some sort of list before migrating)
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people struggle with the concept of federation and picking a server
This is a HUGE reason. I didn't know when I first signed up for Lemmy that I was on what is essentially a tankie instance. I didn't know when I signed up for Pixelfed that I wasn't going to be able to see shit because the first server I signed up for wasn't really federated with anyone and I've mostly given up on it. I still can't see a bunch of stuff on Mastodon without switching through several accounts with no rhyme or reason.
I've said before that I obviously like it here because I'm using the services, but it's not easy. Most people don't know about the fediverse, and most of those that do want to be passive about maintaining their social media. Most of the fediverse is built for nerds.
Mastodon has been around since 2016 and has 804k MAU.The platform has 57 third party apps.
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
Are you asking about "people" or "nerds"? People prefer Bluesky due to its simplicity and momentum. There are more popular outlets using it. If you're assuming that People would prefer the complexity of the Fediverse and instances, if you think People know what a decentralized community run server is, you're a "nerd" (for lack of a better term, I'm sorry).
The battle has always been the same: Windows v. Apple, Android v. iOS, SMS Twitter v. App Twitter. Some people prefer flexibility and investing time in making things work the way they want (Nerds). Some people want an out of the box product that's well designed and efficient (People).
Fifty Seven Third Party Apps is not a selling point - that's called anxiety inducing fragmentation. Some people want to walk down the grocery store aisle and choose between 57 options for toilet paper and some people just want "good", "better", "best". The reality is that most people just want to be told what to do. They have too much shit going on in their lives to care about "decentralization".
Mastodon will never challenge well financed closed or semi-open platforms. As it's designed, it's apparent it never intended to. It will continue to grow at a slow rate as an alternative. Hopefully, the fediverse is realized and you can choose to host your own server and gain access to other social platforms.
The reality is that this stuff costs money. In the near future, you'll have the same three choices with social media as we do with other services: ad-subsidized, subscription, self-hosted. Anything with ads is going to have an algorithm. Anything with a subscription is going to have a board of directors. Selfhosting comes with a steep learning curve.
Unpopular opinion here, but: as opposed to other twitter clones like Hive Social and such, that also look sleek and are simple, but didn't go anywhere, Bluesky did manage to attract a sizeable crowd of creative and talented open source indie devs that are passionate about it and build cool stuff on atproto. Whether it's custom feeds or star sign labelers or alternative clients that add more features or entirely new appviews like the oekaki board PinkSea, you get the feeling it is a pretty vibrant ecosystem and this has sustained it all these months.
While this is true for the Fediverse as well, I think it's fair to say that there have been rumblings here about lack of direction and proper stewardship of the Fediverse and if you want this place to succeed you can't just sweep it under the rug, shrug your shoulders and say "well, people who pick Bluesky over Mastodon are just stupid".
I've shared my thoughts a couple times in similar threads 1 and 2, but to summarize:
One reason is because I think other protocols have some advantages. AT is better end user ease of use wise, and plans to let you control your account via a keypair (already possible with your own PDS). Nostr is more heavily decentralized and considerably more flexible than the other two. That can siphon off existing users or have new users drawn to those spaces. Not to say that ActivityPub doesn't also have its own advantages too, but everybody has different preferences and there's now more choice.
There's also some Activity Pub specific toxicity issues. Too aggressive defederation leads to a point where you can't communicate with most people, and there's some opinions in the space that have turned some people away.
But of course things go up and down, and are never a strait line. I'm guessing all three big protocols will continue to grow, and as they get more interconnected everybody wins, and even if Activity Pub has hit a slump the ecosystem of people you can talk to using it has grown 10x+.
Outside if summarizing my previous takes, there have been some new(ish) things I've seen that don't quite sit right. Things from the top down like the social web director refusing to go to conferences that people from other protocols will be present and encouraging people to not even talk about other protocols. Or - anicdotally - seeing random users happy that the influxes are going to others because they don't want 'normies' on Activity Pub or declaring anybody still using Twitter/X a Nazi sympathizer if not an outright Nazi. If the Activity Pub scene is getting really protectionist it could start also having a negative effect.
Again, overall I expect it to continue trending upwards, and there's a plethora of factors that are unrelated to anything negative regarding Activity Pub's community, but the above (and previous two posts) are the stuff I figured worth bringing up and potentially factors in why ActivityPub has seen weaker adoption compared to the other two big ones more recently.
Can you guys help explain it to someone completely inexperienced?
I had Twitter but only used it for following music venues to see upcoming events and bars for happy hour updates. I have a Mastodon account but only played with it for a few minutes because i didn't really get it. I don't understand following a person. What can one person have to say that i would care enough about to download an app. What am i missing?
Imagine if there were two twitters, and you only sign up for one but you can read and comment on posts for both.
Now imagine if anybody can install their own Twitter, and anybody else can sign up on either one, and they can all talk to each other like that.
I've got an idea as to why.
I went to mastodon.social and see a Linux meme, some heavy political commentary, and a bunch of posts about mastodon being better than Twitter.
I then went to bluesky.app and see some political riffing, cute animals, a comic, some jokes, a company, and even Don Lemon.
The average person checking them both out for the first time, mastodon is nerd shit and Bluesky is normal shit.
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People like simple and easy to use.
Bluesky got that, fediverse in general don't have that.
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You have to understand we are not normal users. Anyone even remotely interested in federated software are not normal users.
Bluesky may not have 57 third party apps and thatâs why people are flocking to it. Itâs easy. The signup process through the app involved no selecting of servers, no understanding of what it actually is under the hood, and users are greeted by a default algorithm that feels very much like old Twitter before Musk.
Basically, regular users do not care about the fediverse and just want a competent and polished app and site experience.
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Because no one made a droolproof guide to migrating to Mastodon and Bluesky put money into it.
For people who can't remember their password, it's preferable.
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I have a friend who has had a mastodon instance since it was gnu social, and there are two reasons I stopped using it.
First, the UI sucks. He installed 3 or 4 different skins and they were all barely usable. I don't want or need something flashy, xfce is my favorite windows manager, but it needs to at least work and not be confusing.
Second, the people suck. It went from being okay to by the time I left I don't think I was seeing any exchanges that didn't have antisemitism or racism.
Average users do not even remotely care about federated software and/or decentralisation. That is techno-babble to them and their eyes will glaze over if you try to market that to them.
That being said: Mastodon does a shit job at explaining how it works, how to use it, and what its advantages are. The Joinmastodon landing page just assumes you already know how a fair bit about instances work and what federated software is and does a very poor job explaining it. And even then, most users won't care either way. They just want to click a Join button and be done.
That's exactly what drove me into seeking out Lemmy instead. I hopped on Mastodon and it made me feel like I was being coralled into following some niche hobby forum exclusively, and I wasn't into that. It didn't explain that the instance itself was largely irrelevant and that the rest of the platform would open up to me after choosing one.
Lemmy still had a learning curve, but having experience with reddit I was able to pick it up easily enough.
57 different 3rd party apps is probably a good start. Mastodon has to be easy to on-board and it isnât for someone with no technical understanding what domains, servers or instances are. To that group Bluesky makes sense. You are signing up for Bluesky. Try to onboard that group to mastodon and they donât understand if they are on mastodon.social or mastodon.world or any other instance.
Why would they be on one of those fringe services with less users than bluesky? Thatâs what a non expert understands
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What is with all these wall of text answers guys?
Twitter people like Twitter and Twitter man for making it.
Twitter now not Twitter is now X and no more Twitter man.
Twitter people not like TeslaSpace man.
Twitter man make BlueSky.
No elephant needed to make this story work. Remember: twitter brain cannot handle too many characters.
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Since bluesky is mit licensed, what's to stop a fork if something goes wrong?
what's to stop a activitypub and atproto compatibility?
It's because of the connotation with an overrated metal band of the same name.
/s for the overly serious
The people leaving Twitter right now want Twitter minus Elon. That's Bluesky. They've heard a couple of their Twitter follows mention it and they've gone to their app store where they find an app called Bluesky, install it and easily join and start using it. Once they do they are finding it pretty straightforward to find people they used to follow on Twitter.
That's all people want.
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It's just easier. I have both but I almost never use Mastodon anymore. Federation there doesn't seem to work right. I didn't know what an instance was so I joined mastodon.social. Finding and following people in the app doesn't always seem to work right if they're on another instance. Doing it in a browser is even more painful.
The people I liked to follow and interact with on X, many tried Mastodon and abandoned it, and many more are now on Bluesky. This creates momentum to "follow the crowd" as it were.
Additionally, you only have one chance to make a first impression. A lot of us tried Mastodon earlier and it wasn't ready. Bluesky started as invite-only, which drummed up interest before catching this zeitgeist of people leaving X.
Lastly, and maybe it's just me, but the font sizing on the official Mastodon app on Android is generally too small and can't be changed. Bluesky allows me to change it and make it more comfortable to use.
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They're the same answer.
You need money to market applications to users. Bluesky is sold the same way that Twitter is, your favorite moron celebrity might hit like or retweet on your stuff.
This practically means nothing tbh. Social networks when they gain economies of scale due to the network effect will effectively shed all the pretense of open source and open platform etc.
We've seen it with Facebook, Google, etc, during the 2010's with closing of chat standards and destruction of XMPP. Reddit 3rd Party API access is another example of this. We'll see it again.
This exactly. I didn't join Lemmy for a long time, because I would search for "Lemmy", get confused when I see a page asking me to "pick an instance" instead of seeing a front page, and then leave because I thought that they were all independent from each other.
It wasn't until reddit killed my favorite app that I finally decided to put in the effort to figure it out.
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It's the path of least resistance to achieve Musklessness. The second two of the positives you listed are actually negatives to the average Joe. Choice paralysis, overwhelming number of apps and servers, these are things that put people off even trying, especially if there are easier-to-use alternatives that are familiar and instant.
Mastodon is great, but it's not quite there yet in terms of convenience. Too much copying and pasting and clicking through to different instances in order to read old posts etc. It needs to be more cohesive in a way that doesn't require constantly leaving your timeline or going into the settings.
It's also the case that the Twitter diaspora who are famous tend to choose BlueSky, and that brings a lot of people along with them.
And it's also the case that Mastodon doesn't have much of a marketing campaign outside of word-of-mouth, whereas BlueSky does.
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Tbf the internet is entirely comprised of like 6 websites if you ask the average Joe, and I'm damn inclined to agree as someone who remembers webrings fondly and misses geocities (it's like the bell curve meme lol, and btw yes I know about neocities I'm just sleeping on it).
But I agree, if they can email they can mastodon, it's the same shit.
This article gives a good view from an average user's perspective.
zdnet.com/article/i-tried-replâŠ
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
For most people that's a complication, not a bonus.
People want a 100%, 1:1, perfect clone of immediate pre-Musk Twitter. They want Twitter without Musk.
Bluesky is a 100%, 1:1, perfect clone of immediate pre-Musk Twitter. It is Twitter without Musk.
It looks exactly like Twitter, it feels exactly like Twitter (both the Web interface and the official app), and it's for tech-illiterate dumb-dumbs.
Only recently has an instance selector been added to the sign-up process of the official app, but Bluesky still markets itself to its users as the self-same kind of centralised monolithic silo as Twitter and Facebook.
Mastodon has a vastly different UI and UX from immediate pre-Musk Twitter, but people don't want to learn anything new. And truth be told, I've read from Misskey/Forkey users that Misskey and the Forkeys actually have an easier-to-use Web UI than Mastodon.
Also, Mastodon advertises the fact that it's decentralised with lots of instances to choose from, even though the gGmbH would rather want everyone to be on mastodon.social. This freaks people out.
Joining Mastodon is actually no more difficult than joining Bluesky in practice because the official app railroads everyone to mastodon.social without forcing them. But people won't know until they've actually installed and opened that app.
The only reason why Mastodon grew so quickly to such an enormous size in late 2022 was because it was the only alternative to Twitter that anyone knew, including those who pulled Twitter users onto Mastodon. The only other advantage it had over anything else was that, unlike Twitter, it didn't have Musk and uncontained droves of Nazis. Had people been sent to Akkoma or Calckey instead of Mastodon, it would have exploded the same.
Inb4 "How can people use e-mail then?" That's because everyone's on Gmail, and many think e-mail is a proprietary Google product.
Well lots of offoces used Microsoft for email and out sode i workd email is password reset, receipts, and new account confirmation. When the last i sent and email that wasn't work or those things? About 8 years ago.
But yes tryings to explain instance and federation to a regular user is only going to confuse them. We need mastodon to be a sample as login and use. If we bring up a single tecnical term we lose people.
Iâve read from Misskey/Forkey users that Misskey and the Forkeys actually have an easier-to-use Web UI than Mastodon
The *keys have a UI that has a similar design language to Twitter, but a fairly different layout. I think it's close enough that people would recognize it as "Twitter, but different", vs Mastodon's "Twitter, but archaic, and also different, and therefore confusing".
The *keys also had many of the features that Twitter migrants complained were lacking from Mastodon. But trying to talk to anyone on Mastodon about platforms that aren't Mastodon was a total non-starter. Mastodon is a giant Mastodon circle jerk.
It made my soul sad.
But the real issue with Mastodon is that it has a significant population of people who believe it's a sacrosanct cultural space, and that are very vocal about telling anyone coming into it that they need to learn the local customs or GTFO. The push-and-pull between "we want to be mainstream" and also "fuck the mainstream normies" is palpable, and super cringey, and it turns people away quickly.
The *keys also had many of the features that Twitter migrants complained were lacking from Mastodon. But trying to talk to anyone on Mastodon about platforms that arenât Mastodon was a total non-starter. Mastodon is a giant Mastodon circle jerk.
If you see someone tell Mastodon users that the Fediverse isn't Mastodon, they're hardly ever on Mastodon themselves. They're most likely on Friendica which suffers the most from obnoxious Mastodon users, and if not, they're likely to be on Firefish or Akkoma or sometimes on Hubzilla.
The most extreme case I've encountered was a Mastodon developer who tried to convince me, a Hubzilla veteran, that Mastodon is literally the only feature-complete project in the Fediverse. Fortunately for him, I didn't ask him about full text formatting support, permissions, nomadic identity, multiple independent identities on one login, WebDAV/CalDAV/CardDAV or a built-in wiki engine.
But the real issue with Mastodon is that it has a significant population of people who believe itâs a sacrosanct cultural space, and that are very vocal about telling anyone coming into it that they need to learn the local customs or GTFO.
Worse yet, "coming into it" is also applied to everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon. After learning that there's, in fact, more than Mastodon in the Fediverse, many Mastodon users still think Eugen Rochko has invented the Fediverse, and everything must have come after Mastodon.
Thus, even Friendica users who have been around since before Mastodon even saw its very first release are being forced to ditch Friendica's own culture, adopt Mastodon's culture instead and stop using all of Friendica's features that Mastodon doesn't have. And Friendica is five and a half years older than Mastodon. It has its own well-defined culture which is very different from Mastodon's because Friendica is so much different from Mastodon.
It's almost like European colonists vs natives, only that the European colonists didn't assume the natives had entered the previously completely uninhabited land after them.
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That's why. That's the reason.
but you could review the instance beforehand...
Is Jimbo Normalman going to review the instance beforehand? Lmao.
There's a high amount of friction to get people to join the Fediverse. I had to put in more effort than I'd like to figure out how things worked.
My biggest worry was picking the wrong Mastodon instance and then having no easy way to migrate my stuff to another server. Even after you pick your instance, there's so much setup for things that you kinda just expect to work.
I don't get the rush or the need.
Everything trickles down here anyway. If you're ONLY on Lemmy and Mastodon, you're still getting way more actual news than the average joe. Popular, shmopular.
I'm trying to remember a time in the last thirty years where something becoming popular made it better. It's usually the opposite.
I honestly can't wrap my head around how to use Mastodon. Idk how to search for things that would interest me.
I'm just glad Lemmy exists.
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Search for hashtags. And from that, follow people and hashtags.
Easy enough? (I hope so. I can't explain it easier but if you need it...)
I remember the âbig movementâ when Twitter turned into a right wing cesspool.
At first, the biggest problem was that there were TWO main alternatives: Mastodon and Bluesky. So those who left split into two groups, ending up with a dead timeline, missing out on news. (I and my âbubbleâ use it to keep up with Covid vaccines, politics, safety etc.)
I joined the Mastodon group, because it solves the problem of a single crazy billionaire potentially buying & enshittifying it. But I fully admit that it is not user friendly at all. People who are not in IT just want it to WORK, like Twitter used to. They donât want to âeducate themselvesâ about servers, fediverse and networks. The user experience clearly hasnât even been a thing. Itâs techies writing software for themselves. What it needs is a full analysis of the experience from the start: Who are you, user, why are you considering Mastodon, what are your expectations, what are the experiences in the first 30 seconds after entering âmastadonâ (oh, you misspelled it?) or âtwitter alternativeâ into a search engine, etc. âpick an instanceâ is already the passive-aggressive demand nobody wants to hear.
In the end, my instance was shut down without a fair warning, all the reconnected and new contacts lost, no option to move. Trying Bluesky now, but many stayed at Twitter (now X), moved to Mastodon with or without success (most onto my dead instance), or gave up on microblogging.
I think we need something simple again. I remember what SUSE did for Linux in the 90s. Linux users were all like: Only debian is even somewhat useable, but if you should really do LFS. Non-techies willing to switch for âpoliticalâ or other reasons were hit in the face with âPick a distro!!!â. SUSE has been called âthe Windows among the Linux distrosâ by those people, but it did the right thing. It provided exactly the simplification we needed: âThis is Linux, you simply buy it on CD in a retail store like your other software, you run the installer.â It was a good thing.
IRC is the one good old thing that still works great. When they tried to enshittify freenode, we just moved, collectively. Many non-IT channels & servers died after 2010, though.
The "just pick an instance!" and "my instance shut down" thing is a core pain point here.
BlueSky is corporately run, and it's semi-centealized. This is bad for the internet, but it's good for the user. At least on the surface. And that's what users care about. It provides a sense of stability, and an umspoken promise that if anything happens, it's the company's fault, and the company's problem.
The fediverse is run by hobbiests. You join some hobbiest's forum or microblog, it connects to a bunch of other hobbiest's forums or microblogs, and if things break, oh well, it's just a hobby! And if that hobby becomes stressful for the hobbiest, they just abandon the hobby.
Leaving the users holding the bag.
The fediverse is unstable as an end user, because, as it's currently structured, it's not really designed to have end users. It's designed to have hobbiest tinkerers. It's right in the oft repeated motto of tne of the fediverse: users should own their data!
But who owns the data in the fediverse? Who actually controls it?
Server admins.
You own your data by self-hosting.
Like a giant computer nerd.
because bsky actually listened to their users and implemented features they asked for unlike mastodon who attacked migrators during the first twitter migration.
bsky also had a bunch of marginalised people - including trans people - as early adopters that helped shape their views on moderation.
because bsky actually listened to their users and implemented features they asked for unlike mastodon who attacked migrators during the first twitter migration.
The issue I have with this narrative is that the features migrators wanted already existed in the Fediverse, on Misskey, Friendica, Pleroma, Akkoma, etc. If anyone wanted to actually listen to those of us trying to point them to those options, things might have been a little different. But those voices were drowned out by the Mastodon circle jerk, and people didn't actually grok the whole federation thing well enough to understand that they could follow the same people from any of the different softwareseseses.
The fediverse isn't Mastodon, and we all do it a huge disservice by continuing to talk about it as if it were, even as we use a different fediverse platform.
I don't know. But one potential advantage of bsky over mastodon is the data and real account migration capability between instances.
Also bsky is run by a company and overall infra is better than most community instances of mastodon, so people will see better performance and more ad/pr visibility of the platform.
At least for Japanese users, they want to see content they love from creators relevant to them.
Creators = illustrator, comic artist, photographer, cosplayer, writer, etc.
Creators want a stable platform that allows them to widen their reach and potentially making more money.
Mastodon at the moment are tend to be hostile against creators that wants to monetize their work.
Not to forget, the creator you want to follow are on defederated or blocks your instance for random admin drama.
But hey, at least fediverse software like Misskey actually trying to serve these community. Like allowing community ads (like promoting indie comics, vtuber, or social event) and trying to be stable by resolving any potential instance problem together with zero drama. Misskey community also often have tendency to "decoupling from Western tech supremacy"
First, Bluesky's nomadic identity isn't worth shit if nobody knows that there's more than one instance.
Next, it has yet to be proven to work because nobody has daily-driven it yet.
Finally, if you want nomadic identity that's actually proven to work, don't join Bluesky. Join Hubzilla. Nomadic identity, established in 2012, some four years before Mastodon, daily-driven by probably hundreds or thousands of people since then.
I'm not even kidding. The Fediverse had nomadic identity four years before it had Mastodon.
Because most people don't exactly want a community-led social platform that respects you and empowers user freedom, even if some say they do.
Bluesky is promising a Twitter-like experience. They promote their ties to the former Twitter, and promise algorithms, dopamine-inducing "reach" and "engagement", paid subscriptions, some degree of centralized control (primarily of the network's infrastructure), and a for-profit VC-funded company, all under the guise of federation. They claim a mastodon-like brand that they are yet to deliver.
Interest in hobbies related to commercial brands (following sports, movie franchises, etc.)
When you even mention that you'd like to follow brand accounts, people start shouting at you how commercial scum needs to be banned/defederated.
Of course people move to platforms where their interests are represented.
See this is part of the problem.
Dude was like "look at this objectively terrible experience I actually had" \
And you are like "yeah well that could happen to bsky in theory too, so they're just as bad!"
I've been a mastodon user for almost 2 years, but I never use it because finding interesting people to subscribe to who are actually active is difficult.\
I haven't been using bsky because I've really been hoping mastodon takes off, but whenever I hear about how easy it is to onboard and find interesting content, I think about switching.
What an absolutely braindead reply.
Mastodon had a bad experience for that person. \
Blue sky didn't.\
Their experience wasn't unique.\
End of story.
You're doing mental gymnastics to misinterpret their argument. Nobody said they want centralized social media you absolute lemon. They want a user experience that doesn't suck. Right now, blue sky provides that while mastodon doesn't.
"Oh but bsky's federation doesn't solve Mastodon's problem" they don't have to solve Mastodon's problem.
Elitist neckbeards like you are the reason the fediverse isn't fun.
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in reply to pnutzh4x0r • • •one of the awesome things about buying a linux laptop from a linux company like tuxedo is that you don't have to worry about things like this since they have paid developers who maintain their own distro to "take care" of things like this and buying one of these linux laptops has made my experience smooth and thought free as a mac user.
it's a double edge sword however: lemmy has taught me that smooth sailing with linux laptops keeps you unaware of the trouble that lurks beneath the surface and that's disconnected me from the general linux user experience and has gated me from understanding the common themes and problems they encounter; i've started a new linux build and this time i'm going to do it the same way everyone here does, with a windows laptop.
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in reply to exu • • •beleza pura
in reply to exu • • •beleza pura
in reply to eldavi • • •are we romanticizing having a broken system?
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in reply to beleza pura • • •very much so in addition to creating a new project for myself that's exciting; that's a big deal to me because i can't remember the last time in decades that i felt any excitement over any linux based project.
i learn best by challenging my knowledge and it teaches me where i'm ignorant and i can use that specify which areas to focus my self education.
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in reply to beleza pura • • •yeah, why? This just shows that, if more hardware companies actively supported linux, there would be no issues left for non-tech end users, which would be awesome.
Please buy laptops and desktops from tuxedo, system76, framework, etc, and recommend them. They're doing a great job and do deserve the support.
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in reply to â Jnk â đ • • •amen. i'll continue to buy from them for the things that i depend on (eg low cost personal servers and high end work laptops); but i plan to use a generic low-spec windows laptop for daily driving to teach me what the general linux user experience is like these days since lemmy is showing me that i still get something out of helping other people while i simultaneously get to leverage my knowledge and experience in an arena that's been enabling my life for these last 3 decades to do so.
it's bit like the mandates that i get from my management as an individual contributor; but more "WTF" and the "TIL's" that i get from it makes it more fun for me.
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in reply to âïž- • • •my experience is the same and that's why i'm going with a laptop; i wonder if the skills i've picked up since the last time i tried are going to help any since they're the kind of skills that get you paid in the linux world.
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in reply to eldavi • • •They should pay lawyers as well.
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in reply to fl42v • • •GPL3 has extra restrictions banning patients etc. So yeah a lot of GPL 2 code written by companies that open software but not hardware. Would have legal questions about running with GPL 3
GPL 3 was created to be more restrictive to non-open hardware.
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in reply to fl42v • • •Well related to the owner is the very definition of proprietary. So as far as upstream vs not available for upstream is concerned. That is what the term is used for in linux.
So yep by its very definition while a manufacture is using a licence that other distributions cannot embed with their code. Marking it proprietary is how the linux kernal tree was designed to handle it.
EDIT: The confusion sorta comes from the whole history of IBM and the PC.
Huge amounts of PC hardware (and honestly all modern electronics) are protected by hardware patients. Its inbuilt into the very history of IBMs bios being reverse engineered in the 1980s.
So as Linux for all its huge hardware support base today. It was originally designed as a x86(IBM PC) compatible version of Unix.
As such when Stallman created GPL 3 in part as a way of trying to end hardware patients. Linux was forced to remain on GPL 2 simply because it is unable to exist under GPL 3 freedom orientated restrictions.
The proprietary title is not seen as an insu
... show moreWell related to the owner is the very definition of proprietary. So as far as upstream vs not available for upstream is concerned. That is what the term is used for in linux.
So yep by its very definition while a manufacture is using a licence that other distributions cannot embed with their code. Marking it proprietary is how the linux kernal tree was designed to handle it.
EDIT: The confusion sorta comes from the whole history of IBM and the PC.
Huge amounts of PC hardware (and honestly all modern electronics) are protected by hardware patients. Its inbuilt into the very history of IBMs bios being reverse engineered in the 1980s.
So as Linux for all its huge hardware support base today. It was originally designed as a x86(IBM PC) compatible version of Unix.
As such when Stallman created GPL 3 in part as a way of trying to end hardware patients. Linux was forced to remain on GPL 2 simply because it is unable to exist under GPL 3 freedom orientated restrictions.
The proprietary title is not seen as an insult. But simply an indication that it is not in the control of the developers labelling it.
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in reply to grue • • •Only if those device makers are willing to use it. And that has always been the tightrope linux has walked.
Its very history as a x86 platform means it has needed to develop drivers where hardware providers did not care. So that code needed to run on closed hardware.
It was bloody rare in the early days that any manufacturer cared to help. And still today its a case of rare hardware that needs no non free firmware.
Free hardware is something I'll support. But it is stallman et als fight not the linux kernel developers. They started out having to deal with patented hardware before any one cared.
Giooschi
in reply to HumanPenguin • • •Did you mean patents?
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in reply to pnutzh4x0r • • •I honestly read the article and the comments, but I don't think I fully appreciate or understand the problem beyond the surface level (incompatible licenses). I mean, like so what? Who is screwing whom here? How are the going to circumvent this? And what tree are they referring to?
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