A Case for Modernizing Lemmy's Default UI with Photon
Recently, I made a post here, which gained some traction in support of the cause. However, I mistakenly used an outdated screenshot of Photon. It turns out that photon.lemmy.world is running an older version of Photon, which caused some misunderstandings.
For those who saw that post and were misled or disliked Photon because it appeared to display only 2-3 links on-screen, similar to new Reddit, let me clarify. While Photon is modern and intuitive, it is not like new Reddit in this particular aspect. This outdated screenshot gave the wrong impression, which I’ve since updated, but I wanted to create this new post since many people may not revisit the previous one to see the corrections.
The latest version of Photon, which can be seen at phtn.app, is a big improvement over what’s on photon.lemmy.world. Photon is modern, intuitive, and, speaking as someone with years of Reddit moderation experience who has also started moderating a few communities on Lemmy, it offers a far superior moderation experience. For example, Photon allows you to view the mod queue for all communities at once, making moderation much easier compared to the base UI or other alternatives.
Photon's modularity and customization options are comparable to, if not better than, Kbin's UI. You can easily change fonts, reposition docks and panels, apply custom themes, adjust sorting, and customize the modular side panel to arrange and pin items in any order you like. All of this can be done without needing CSS or additional technical knowledge. It’s probably the most modular yet user-friendly UI available right now.
Here’s an example of the latest Photon interface settings:
Here’s a more customized version I created in just a few seconds—it can be personalized even further:
In my previous post, I emphasized the need for a modern, visually appealing, and intuitive UI to help the Fediverse grow and attract mainstream users. Currently, Lemmy remains dominated mainly by discussions of political topics and critiques of Elon Musk, while its user base is still relatively small at around 40k+ users. For Lemmy to thrive, it needs to expand beyond its current niche and cater to more general topics and interests.
Personally, I use Reddit for far more than just shitting on Elon Musk, discussing politics, or even tech, especially FOSS. For example, I frequently engage with communities about cars, gaming, TV shows, entrepreneurship and general topics that are largely missing or underdeveloped on Lemmy. These general-interest communities are what make platforms like Reddit so versatile and appealing to a wider audience.
If we remain in our current comfort space, Lemmy will likely continue to stagnate as a niche platform. Meanwhile, other alternatives could grow and potentially replace Reddit one day, and it may not be decentralized, open source or community-funded rather centralized and driven by investors/VCs, Just as we’re seeing with platforms like Bluesky gaining traction over Mastodon to replacing X/Twitter. By embracing a UI like Photon’s, which is both modern and user-friendly, we can create a more inviting experience for mainstream users, helping Lemmy grow into a platform that caters to a broader audience.
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Do you think the mostly limited range of political views is a *strength* or a *weakness* of Lemmy? (For example, in terms of attracting new users.)
Sure, there are always outliers and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just the overall impression I have.
(I wasn't sure if !asklemmy@lemmy.world or this community would fit better for this kind of question, but I assume it fits here.)
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People that shy away from this stuff are almost always rich people that are intentionally unsympathetic to the plight of poor people.[citation needed]
Lol, say you are a westerner liberal without saying you are a westerner liberal
Tsk, tsk. Upvoting yourself from alt accounts is generally a bannable offense. I’ve reported you.
Do you have any evidence?
kbin.earth/m/fediverse@lemmy.w…
Note the upvote from his alt on programming.dev, along with two suspect upvotes from other @infosec.pub accounts at exactly the same time. The one from @lemmy.eco.br seems like it could be real.
Don't get me wrong, I recognize it's a solid instance and I am going to continue engaging in their communities.
Just the admin reaction was a bit strange. I think mods/admins need to try and take a neutral position as much as possible (exceptions notwithstanding).
Right on, dude. It would be refreshing to see right-wing arguments advocating a serious fact-based (instead of hate-based and/or lie-based) position on any issue. I'd still disagree, but I'd welcome that disagreement.
Until that glorious future when "the right will reconnect with reality, integrity and simple decency," I am delighted that they're underrepresented on Lemmy.
We don't have to have an argument over it. It's ok to have a conversation. I'm familiar with the 'liberals are right wing' talking point.
I'm just trying to understand what exactly it is that defines 'right wing' and how we define 'liberalism' . You're right, it IS a semantic discussion, but clearly the implication is that liberalism is on par with being right wing. So, nonetheless, a semantic relabeling which is not devoid of consequences.
So I'm wondering, at what point do those two overlap (liberalism and right wing politics)? Is it the right to private property? Beyond that, what exactly makes liberalism 'right wing'?
Brazilian, eh? You mean the country with higher GDP/capita than no less than nine European countries?
Stop pretending to know, in any shape or form, what it is like to be born in Burundi. And don't pretend you're not a colonial state, you're barely better than the US when it comes to fucking over the indigenous population and that's not a high standard.
Stop pretending that 7:1 is an everyday occurrence and count those stars on your jersey.
Yeah hasn't been helpful for getting a sense for the minds of the masses but generally a lot more grounded than reddit
Also though echo chambers are bad most of the time for most people, occasionally they help in challenging our own beliefs but only when engaged critically.
I think it helps to place labels onto things... and then respect those labels.
Like porn: it can get someone literally fired if they chanced upon such at work - some corpos are just looking for any excuse to cut costs, especially a repeating salary one. But so long as it is labeled, and does not appear outside of bounds... then what is the harm? (more even, studies show that places that ban porn tend to have higher rates of sexualized crime i.e. rape, so the presence of porn literally seems to help society?)
And politics: so many of us here LOVE to discuss it! But what if someone had anxiety, and could not? Could they use something like hashtags, keywords, trigger warnings I dunno, and block out most of it, for the sake of their sanity? If not, then their only recourse would be to opt-out of the Fediverse entirely, thereby taking all of the content that they would have contributed with them...
Full disclosure of my own biases: this is why I am against places such as ChapoTrapHouse from being federated with most Lemmy instances (even as I support e.g. lemm.ee's desire to keep it) - it's not that I want it to "not exist" (I've enjoyed many of my own interactions there... though it is also simultaneously true that many users from hexbear [or their alts] act as toxic bullies, ignoring people's consent outside of those spaces, despite being told explicitly not to by their admins), so much as that I want it to be properly labeled & constrained, so that someone does not walk into it unawares, not realize what it is, and then leave the Fediverse entirely having been turned away from us due to their interactions with them.
Likewise much of the content on lemmy.ml is very much not only anti-capitalist, but anti-Western - the former I sympathize with, though the vehemence with which it is delivered and especially the latter will turn people away, as it definitely has me (especially when it abuses blatantly false tropes).
And that is the identical reason why we cannot federate with conservative spaces either, if we want to survive: it is not that we want them to not exist so much as we cannot host their content here, without making THAT action a part of our own identity. And to be clear, I don't mean content such as "God loves us, each & every one of us" (that's kinda an awesome thought, is it not, regardless of what we each personally believe?), but rather "I know I speak for [my specific version of a god] when I say that he (she? it? them? other?) hates some people, especially YOUR type in particular!"
But even if we took it as a given, purely for the sake of a hypothetical argument mind you, that we actually did want some type of space to not exist, what are we going to do about it - sabotage their servers? And after they spin up new ones, with better protections - then what? No, the real recourse (imho) is to simply leave them be, yet not choose to federate their content here. We all were young & naive once too - they may grow given time, or not, but that's their business, and all we can and should (and actually MUST) control is ours.
In all of the above cases - including the pornography example - it is not what the content is (or sometimes not just that), so much as the unfriendliness of it appearing outside of bounds, causing legitimate pain and harm when it is exposed to people.
I think the way to maximize utility is to increase diversity by increasing welcomingness. Sorta like how Linux does not push people into any one distro, or window manager, or anything at all - we each are free to pursue our own paths. That's fucking awesome!
Lest anything think that I've refused to answer the question: it is both. Our (future) political diversity can both be a wedge driven between us - if we allow that to happen naturally - or else a source of strength, e.g. to allow a centrist person to post content unrelated to their political beliefs (woodworking? a game community?), so long as they are respectful of other people's beliefs in the process. We don't all have to like one another, just get along. In diversity we find strength... or we could, if we did it right, i.e. if only the ones offered in good faith were allowed to stay while all others given the boot, and even then they need to remain within their allotted lanes.
Preemptively to the people who will scroll to the bottom of this, see me saying that diversity is a strength, and comment or just downvote and move on without bothering to read the rest: fuck you. But to anyone willing to offer a good-faith critique: I am listening.
We need a political tag like the NSFW tag
Overall the people here are nicer.
The extremes are higher though - some people were booted from Reddit for a reason, and they came here.
Are you familiar with the nazi bar quote? I was referencing that phenomenon:
When Tager asked about why he booted the guy, the bartender, a seasoned pro, said that if you let one Nazi in, slowly they replace the clientele.“You have to nip it in the bud immediately,” he said, as Trager paraphrased. “These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after a while, they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.”
“And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh *****, this is a Nazi bar now,” he continued. ”And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.”
It's not too far off already, considering .ml, grad, and hexbear's propensity to advocate for violence against others for being "liberals."
Basically it's already a nazi bar with some red paint and a star on the door. The people who I told about lemmy all left pretty quick because of it and I've stopped recommending it to people entirely.
The people who I told about lemmy all left pretty quick because of it and I’ve stopped recommending it to people entirely.
This post could interest you: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/32469271
Long story short, discuss.online defederated hexbear recently, making it a potential recommendation for new joiners (they also block lemmygrad)
lemmy.cafe/ blocks ml too, but they have the 0.19.7 pictures bug. Once they fix that, they could become another go-to recommendation for new joiners.
I think at this moment people can live without .ml if they're not into tech. Sure, !privacy@lemmy.ml and !firefox@lemmy.ml are the most active in their fields, but the non-tech user probably doesn't care. And alternatives like !linux@programming.dev are getting more and more active
Glad that you like that effort!
That may be true tbh, I'm more techy so I can't yet but maybe for someone who isn't they could.
Keep at it for sure! If this place really ends up thriving and getting bigger for niche interests and stuff it's in no small part because of your efforts to do so! I genuinely appreciate it, even for stuff I'm not personally interested in.
PieFed allows you to block all users from an instance of your choice without needing admin approval. The Lemmy apps Sync and Connect do also. So I've already managed to defederate from Lemmy.ml personally, aside from lemmy.cafe, dubvee.org, or quokk.au that have all done that at the admin level.
Although it sounds like you meant more that so many communities are still on that instance - which is fine - and don't have alternatives yet elsewhere, which is not fine. If you can, perhaps consider making just one and modding it to help it grow. It won't fix everything but it will help, and if 9 other people did likewise then that's 10 communities that people would not have had access to without those group efforts:-).
Little by little, I think that we don't have to consider places such as hexbear.net as part of "us" anymore. Perhaps it will take the further development of Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks to accomplish that for Lemmy.ml. Otherwise we simply will progressively give up while the place dies slowly around us, as people leave and new ones refuse to join.
Kamala Harris had a very weak campaign that didn't address the concerns of young, white male voters. Personalities like Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, and others really do appeal to those people, telling them that they're just fine and pointing their fingers at an endless list of targets to keep these people angry and afraid - and ultimately to vote for people like Donald who claim they'll fix everything.
I wasn't trying to strawman but I have seen a lot of online comments purely blaming leftists for this election, and it's frustrating.
What did I say, in my comment, to address exactly what you just repeated?
Specifically I'm interested in this part:
Yeah, there was certainly a lot of propaganda and lies to help elect Donald, but let’s be very real here - leftists not voting or voting third party over Gaza wasn’t a major part of his victory.
That had a very specific answer in the comment you're replying to.
Every time anyone mentions on Lemmy right wing positions it is with only to attack a strawman version
It would help if you would be more precise. You are using a "feels like" statement here, which I have to disagree with b/c it is objectively false: all it would take would be to find a singular example wherein it was not true, at which point "every time" is shown to be invalid.
But often that does occur, yes. Sometimes our choice of wording can impede rather than aid in understanding?
And I say this as someone who seems to be more often misunderstood than not, go figure :-|.
I absolutely think that's the idea, yes.
The world is a complicated place. Part of the optimization our brain does, to even be able to make sense of it at all without being overwhelmed, is to absorb things that you see other people saying to each other, and incorporate them into how you see the world. So I'm always interested when I see a variety of people all saying the same thing, even though that thing is demonstrably not true if you think for yourself for a few seconds.
In this case I think it's just some kind of internal cope that they're doing for themselves, and the repetition leading to other people potentially absorbing it is purely accidental, but it's still a dangerous pattern.
Discuss.Online seems that way.
Perhaps lemmy.today although that barely has any local content.
lemmy.ca? It does have a politicalmemes@lemmy.ca but other stuff too:-).
I find it highly interesting how in the replies to your message people are proving you right:-).
But fwiw, I do want to push back a little on my own irt your phrasing: perhaps it is not so much the intensity of someone's views as the degree of welcomingness extended to people of all walks. Non-intuitively to some: this REQUIRES that we kick out people engaging in bad faith. However, once that's done, shouldn't we extend a welcoming hand to all who come in good faith?
Tbh I may not be expressing myself well there... so I'll try with more extreme language: Nazis are bad, and thereby the Alt-Right that extends a welcoming hand to neo-nazis are bad, but centrists and liberals (both of whom would be called right-wing by many people internationally) should be made to feel welcomed? So breadth of political views - so long as delivered in good faith - not that the breadth is the thing desired, but rather the allowance for PEOPLE to come in and talk, if they want, regardless of their political views. The focus here is on the people - the tolerance is just the means to that good end (and this only works if we are intolerant to specifically those who are themselves intolerant).
I agree with all of this. However, and I could be wrong, my understanding of classic liberalism is that it was never directly opposed to regulation or social services. My initial understanding is that it's by necessity tied to free markets and private property.
But if it is then I'm learning something new.
I tend to love reading your comments - they are insightful and deep:-).
When people behave identically as a "bot" would - passing along what it has heard, without thinking twice or even so much as once about it - they can act as part of that same, dark anti-pattern. Except the danger is so much more real then b/c they "genuinely" hold their belief?
I thought that a lot of it was due to enshittification reasons to maximize profit incentive, e.g. making it hard to "search" on Reddit, yet exceedingly easy to "post", while at the same time making it harder to read the community rules prior to doing so, all to maximize "engagement". But it seems more related to human nature, which will never change.
I find it highly interesting how in the replies to your message people are proving you right:-).
Lol, what replies? I guess I've already blocked most/all the people I was referring to (or they're on .ml which I don't federate with for pretty much this exact reason)
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When, out of nowhere, people put other people into boxes, ascribe a political label to them, and put words in their mouths without knowing anything about them, it is a HUGE turn off to me as far as interactions go.
e.g. A comment that's taken out of context and the reply is basically, "Hurr, durr, that's such an enlightened centrist thing to say. Guess you're okay with a little fascism, huh, lib?". That's pretty fucking cringe and going to make me immediately block the person saying it (and I have and will continue to do so). Like, if that's how their mind works, taking things out of context, jumping to conclusions, and projecting labels out of nowhere: I got nothing for them.
I'm not here with an agenda, I'm not trying to spread my beliefs, I'm not trying to convert anyone to anything (except maybe Linux lol), etc. I just wanna share and talk about cool shit.
And you know there's someone reading this thinking (and possibly commenting) that the fact I haven't announced myself to the room as a raging leftie means I must be a nazi in disguise. (Nope. Just someone who's not here for political shit). My political beliefs and leanings are my own, and if they're not apparent from my post/comment history, then whoever's judging me just hasn't paid attention.
As for how I treat people, as long as they're clearly operating in good faith and with a good attitude, I welcome them until such time they've veered outside of civility or proven to be a troll, actual Nazi, or otherwise.
Preemptively let me say that I agree, although there is an entire spectrum along which people can hold their beliefs, and then on top of that there is the strength with which they hold them that can vary a lot - including some who are apolitical entirely as far as they themselves may be aware.
Also, recalling the phrase "first they came for..." - remember that WE are the "right-wingers", from the perspective of instances such as lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml, and hexbear.net. I am not saying that Truth is subjective, but the definitions of those particular terms most definitely are.
So if they exclude us, and then we exclude "centrists", who themselves exclude people to either side of them... ultimately what does that make us - conservatives ourselves, chasing some kind of ideological "purity"?
Let's get back to me agreeing with you now, but clarifying why: we MUST be intolerant to those who are intolerant of others. However, to those who ARE tolerant... shouldn't we be as tolerant to them as we can stand to be? As in, interact with them civilly even if we do not fully agree with everything they say?
So leftist vs. right(-ist?), I don't care what someone is, so much as I care whether they are tolerant of others. BUT NOT TO THE INTOLERANT (i.e. not the Alt-Right, and also not the Alt-Left that I see hanging out on various Lemmy instances).
Oh no, the poor right whingers aren’t being represented here.
Oh wait, good. Fuck ‘em.
Huge strength.
The alternative is Reddit or 4Chan if you want centrist or right wing takes. I know which of the 3 platforms I want.
Seeing this place run by individuals with a commitment to creating a better social environment is also a huge plus. You wouldn’t get that under a non-leftist platform.
"Left" or "Right" grouping is Western centric tho.
From my perspective as Indonesian, it's weird that Westerner lump politics into separate group instead working together for a solution that caters to everyone.
I still don't get actual "left" and "right" definition by Westerner.
For example, people that support native people to be protected from encrouchment of their forest, as well as unmitigated immigration that will drive out them will considered both "left" and "right" side from Westerner.
Some Westerner also often assume their solution of problem is "the best" while all I can see is further division of society.
Please elaborate.
I still don’t get actual “left” and “right” definition by Westerner.
The vast majority of Westerners don't even really know what "left" or "right" mean. It's going to be really confusing to rely on Westerners to self-identify their political beliefs, because every liberal seems to think they're a leftist.
For example, people that support native people to be protected from encrouchment of their forest, as well as unmitigated immigration that will drive out them will considered both “left” and “right” side from Westerner.
It helps if we frame this in a context of imperialism and colonialism.
A refugee from Syria moving into Greece isn't encroaching on anyone's forests. That stands in stark contrast with a multinational corporation coming to DRC, clear cutting the forest, strip mining the mountains, poisoning the water, and paying pennies for labor.
Some Westerner also often assume their solution of problem is “the best” while all I can see is further division of society.
Absolutely. Any leftist in the West needs to spend their whole life unlearning their chauvinism.
The thing is, sometimes the immigrant are not corporate. They're just groups of average people that cut all the protected forest to make a new home and uncontrolled killing of animals.
They don't respect local rules at all.
This don't really happen in the West, but it can happen in several parts of Asia or Africa.
That's why ethnocentrism ended prevalent in these area.
So you would say PDIP and Gerindra both represent the same thing?
And I know for a fact you’se spent most of the mid 20th century killing “communists” in your borders. So there certainly was a left in Indonesia.
You took a bad position, I clarified why it was unfounded.
That's called a discussion. You are entitled to post your opinion, I am entitled to provide a rebuttal.
That's how discourse works.
They still have to suffer from shiti health insurance...
But sure let's make sure nobody but a good neo libs "allies" are permitted here champ
In your country sure.
And who the fuck wants neo libs here? Neo libs (and libs) are right wing ideologies.
Exactly. Judgement is such hard work - best to avoid it when possible, but if necessary, not shy away from it either. Although in the latter case some WORK needs to be put in, if the desire is to do it correctly.
So many people claiming "bUt i WaS BaNNeD foR beInG ToO FrIenDlY, i'M ReaLlY sUcH a nIcE gUy", when it is patently obvious to anyone who looks that that is not the case.
Not everywhere though - e.g. lemm.ee tries to keep things open, at least on the instance level, and the anarchist servers (chiefly lemmy.dbzer0.com but iirc slrpnk.net as well) very much do not remove things that many people would expect them to if they had been more driven by a more authoritarian mindset.
In our new community !AskUSA@discuss.online for instance, I very much hope that we can remove comments that attempt such a shouting-down as would make people feel unwelcomed to be there - regardless of their political affiliation (so long as the people being shouted down do not DESERVE it for trolling, e.g. "my reason for helping the less fortunate than myself is my belief in the Christian God who guides all my ways" is absolutely fine but "your gawd is shit and u r too, l0s3r" is not).
Agreed but I want to push you to go further: it's not just politics that has been so influenced.
Even Google searches - once world-renowned for their recall and precision and overall helpfulness, now are shit. Reddit as well. Twitter... well, apparently was always a hellhole? YouTube was not though - until it was bought by Google.
Enshittification destroys all that it touches. Even/especially governments. Though the same happened to Rome, so many thousands of years ago. And to Russia too, more recently, despite it ostensibly calling itself "communist"/leftist.
I do think that there was a plan to help move it along, but I also think that it might have been an inevitable consequence of (more or less) entirely unfettered capitalism, and that those two worked together to destroy a nation that once was struggling far less than it seems to be doing lately?
"For example, in terms of attracting new users" - meaning that's the whole point of the question, so I'll address that.
Lemmy isn't a corporation and doesn't have to think like one. Market share means nothing. The goal is a high-quality app that does what its users want. If a majority of those users have a similar range of political views, that's just how it works out. There's nothing stopping ultra-conservatives from spinning up Lemmy instances if they want, blocking communities whose overall personality they don't like, and banning users they don't like. If this balkanizes the lemmy userverse, I don't see that as an issue.
Conversely though: you are considered a right-winger by some (Lemmy.World = neoliberal bastion of not extreme enough Leftists). (And to be extra clear: me as well:-)
I agree that we must exclude trolling behaviors and those who refuse to not do them, but not bc of their beliefs and rather bc of their intolerance to anyone who disagrees. But by the same token, we must not become them in the process.
This would exclude both the Alt-Right, as well as the Alt-Left, leaving us centrists in the middle. And a week ago I would have added: "who don't want to violently overthrow all of society", although now I'm not so sure that a goodly fraction of Lemmy agrees with that anymore.
Exactly what I'm saying. One mark of an extremist is often a kind of moral purity test of their ideology. I too was shocked to find out that I am considered "right-wing", by the extremist left on places such as Lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ml. The latter is federated with by almost everyone, and they will call you and me as "right-wing".
Now whether that's "true" or not... well actually, it is though - if you do not approve of actually irl really murdering your landlord, then you are "right-wing", in comparison to them. Then again, they also say that they love North Korea - but how many of them have actually picked up and moved there, hrm? 🤣
So I think we are "centrists", on the global scale. To the left of the Alt-Right, and to the right of the Alt-Left. My language may be odd though.
To people whose purview pertains to the set of "alternative facts", whether left or right wing, I simply cannot converse - no matter how hard I've tried. However to centrists I seem to have little to no trouble making myself understood, with only the slightest efforts? i.e., anyone at all acting in good faith I can outright enjoy discourse with, while anyone acting in bad faith I cannot.
So that is my criteria: it has nothing whatsoever to do with "beliefs", political or religious or cultural or otherwise, and everything to do with attitude, particularly the willingness to converse with compassion or at the very minimum tolerance to others' POV.
Does that make sense?
This essay describes the transition as we can readily observe it happening not just in social media on the internet but also in movies & TV & every other aspect of modern life as well. We see sitting members of Congress use the same principles: if you can do something in 5 seconds, and then move on to the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and so on, then spending 5 hours let alone 5 days, weeks, months, or years on a project becomes downright "bad". The latter obviously not meaning in an objective sense but rather a return-on-investment (ROI) calculation, if maximizing profits (or upvote karma or whatever) is one's goal - and for a Congressperson, that very much is their job, to maximize votes or at least pass the threshold to ensure safe re-elections, then switch to expending that political capital to enrich one's own pockets (oh uh... and ~~help people~~ no, enrich one's own pockets exclusively, apparently, more's the pity).
Aside from that, the paradox of intolerance really is a fundamental principle of the universe: imagine that you had a pen full of a thousand sheep, and you let in one wolf - let's even say to be kind, b/c he'll die if you do not? The next day you somehow only have 999 sheep... and you let in 2 more wolves. The next day you have 996 sheep, and you let in 3 more wolves, and so on. It won't be long before you have no sheep and only wolves left. B-b-but, they PROMISED me that they'd behave!? They PROMISED me that they wouldn't eat MY ~~face off~~ sheep!?!? We ignore this at our peril. You can do the experiment for yourself: go to Lemmy.ml without being logged into an account and just going through the first couple of pages, count the number of posts that make fun of the Western world - especially the EU and even more especially in particular the USA - or perhaps it's easier to count those that don't? (granted, there's a bunch of purely-Linux ones that do not, and sometimes you'd need to visit the post to read the comments rather than see it instantly from the title) Like here's an example that I saw just prior to the recent USA elections:
B-b-bUt BoTh SiDeS eQuAl ThO?! Except... they are not though? So many Muslim leaders in America told their followers to vote for Harris - b/c while what Biden did was not great, it will be as nothing compared to what Trump will do - although many waited until sth like 3 days before the election, hoping to wrangle every last ounce of possible concession out of the deal, though it may have been too late, b/c people simply don't follow the news all that quickly (it would seem). In fairness, there were many issues irt that election, and this was only one of them. It does not change how the Alt-Left tries to put a "spin" that is hyperbolic, false, and most relevant: misleading to the point of being actually disinformation rather than merely misinformation. It is so easy to prop up such a strawman: "none such exist" as want to stop the chaos? Bitch, we ALL want to stop it though?! Well, liberals do, the conservatives want to fucking JOIN in making it happen FASTER! Also, it's not like Russia actively doing genocide in Ukraine, or China to the Uyghurs, etc. (oh wait...), so I guess somehow it's "better" to just put Trump in where he will do as he already said: write a blank check for Israel to do whatever they want from now on, including even more genocide. You know, b/c BoTh SiDeS eQuAl, and b/c if someone says it on the internet, then it MUST be true I guess?!
So yeah, according to these people, we are "right-wingers". B/c people in the USA voting for Kamala Harris rather than voting for Donald Trump and then violently overthrowing all of society is... "right-wing"... somehow?
I will take every last ounce of diversity, from someone arguing in good faith. But I will take none from someone arguing in bad faith. Even if they call me a Nazi, or a coward, or whatever they want to call me - those manipulation tactics don't matter, what matters is what I choose to do in response.
NOW you understand! 😜
Those kinds of messages seem to have worked - if not here bc we're so tiny then at least overall. After all, we collectively decided together that BoTh SiDeS sAmE tHo and therefore elected Trump who ofc "is the same as Harris would have been irt the Gaza situation" (except not, if facts mattered, but since they don't... then sure).
I think its one of the reasons reddit will never reach the mainstream like reddit. For one people find it confusing to find a community which I disagree with, you just need to take a slight effort to understand that you have a choice of community and in return you get great freedom. Since its mostly for more techies I and its overwhelmingly like left, people with moderate right views will feel like they're completely out of place.
Im also sad that many of the bigger communities like ml have unhinged mods that ban for anyone disagreeing with them. For example some calls for violence being overwhelmingly onesided on here made me feel sick at times. But I don't feel like sparking that debate over here.
Im also sad that many of the bigger communities like ml have unhinged mods that ban for anyone disagreeing with them. For example some calls for violence being overwhelmingly onesided on here made me feel sick at times. But I don’t feel like sparking that debate over here.
For people interested on that topic, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is a dedicated community
I've told people I use Lemmy several times, I only got neutral or positive reactions.
Lemmy is quite obscure, so most of the people have no idea what it is.
The top Google hit to an instance isn't "here" but rather Lemmy.ml (DuckDuckGo chooses Lemmy.World, but as long as we are talking normies here...). Lemmy.ml's default method of showing posts is Local, rather than All. Combined, this means that a mainstream normal person will see first primarily the Alt-Left propaganda machine pushing for the violent overthrow of capitalism and Western society, and then will NOT see so much of all the cute cartoons and Star Trek memes and such. Especially prior to the USA election, there was very much an obvious bias promoting the idea that BoTh SiDeS sAmE.
Your approach used on Reddit of pointing to a highly specific instance recommendation, especially one that has defederated from Lemmy.ml, is carefully crafted to avoid the scenario I outlined above from happening. And irl it's helpful to do the same: don't say that you use "Lemmy", bc that has a very pronounced reputation.
don’t say that you use “Lemmy”, bc that has a very pronounced reputation.
People really don't know about it. Maybe it's my environment, but at this point I would almost be happy if people could talk to me negatively about Lemmy rather than just no know what it is
But another question, "are you ok with sitting at the bar with nazis, but they're wearing red shirts with a hammer and sickle on them and espousing the same propensity for murder?"
Lemmy is fine with murder and genocide so long as you wear the right shirt while doing it.
Source: .ml, grad, hexbear.
The presence of the high end of the extreme is what blew me away though. On Reddit I had given up all hope bc it never happened (even from myself, as I kept becoming more defensive, more snarky but less kind) while here the fact that it sometimes, heck even often happens, is just... outstanding!
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Also the low end of the extreme is concentrated into specific instances, such that blocking Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net will improve someone's experience on the Fediverse by ~90%, and then blocking users from lemmy.ml (with the PieFed Lemmy alternative, or either the Sync or Connect Lemmy apps, or lemmy.cafe, dubvee.org, or quokk.au at the instance admin level) improves by a further 90% I found.
So the structure of the curve matters greatly here, to someone's quality of experiences in the Fediverse.
Totally. Maybe we should invent some kind of... oh I dunno, ideological purity test? Surely that would not eat our faces off, hrm? Surely we can exclude only "them", while keeping "us".
Smh, it's always the same. People don't even see it.
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Okay so yeah for actual conservatives totally. The Alt-Right is never going to be convinced no matter how many "facts" you explain to them anyway.
But you are considered a right-winger too, as well as I, by the likes of the folks in hexbear and Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml. We don't view ourselves that way, but it's the truth: compared to the likes of the Alt-Left, we legit are more "right-wing" than they are. And for good reason: e.g. we may not appreciate them but we've never actually murdered our landlords.
Omg !tenforward@lemmy.world is also amazing, check it out! Also there's Risa and the Star Wars memes etc. - there are so many fantastic memes communities available:-).
Separately, you may be interested to know that the entire "vibe" of Lemmy has changed in the last two weeks. Very seriously, check out an instance where you are not logged in and just take a peek at what the most popular content is lately. I'm not suggesting that you wallow in it but you should know what's going on lately bc it affects the future of us all.
I'm not familiar with Star Trek, so I usually don't get those memes
the entire “vibe” of Lemmy has changed in the last two weeks.
The entire USA vibe has changed in the last two weeks, from what we can see on every social media. What happened is an important historical events, it has repercussions on all aspects of USA society
True, and btw I don't mean that there is not good/great reasons for such even - people are DYING.
I was just pushing that thought since we were initially responding to:
I just wish the top posts on the meme pages were more than just an anti-capitalist caption and a vaguely related image.
It's creating an environment where people who can't handle the cultural shifts (e.g. not everyone is neurotypical) are having to heavily curate their experiences.
It’s creating an environment where people who can’t handle the cultural shifts (e.g. not everyone is neurotypical) are having to heavily curate their experiences.
Non Americans already had to curate their experience for weeks before and during the US presidential election
Not everyone wants that, but excellent point about the fact that some do:-).
And there, as now, it would be nice to constrain things.
Though you mentioned the rather powerful counterargument earlier that this was a MAJOR event, and it's understandable that it's leaking.
I agree, which is why I recently kicked a MAGA guy out of my D&D group that meets at my house. I had tolerated him up to then because he generally acted decent and was a good player. But after the election I decided I just don't feel like extending my hospitality to that anymore.
But on the flip side when I hear a phrase like, "uncomfortable with trans people" my first reaction is, "What makes you uncomfortable?" instead of, "Fuck you you fucking bigoted fuck!" For that moral imperfection in my character I've received name-calling and at least one ban. Whatever. People have irrational fears and I'm not going to exile them to the desert because their "eww" reflex isn't pristine.
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One is to view free firmware as desirable but not necessary
I can't make firmware but I hope the people who can make free (libre) firmware don't give up, which is what that position sounds like.
A way to address that is to require that if the company does not provide software updates, it must release the source code and tooling to it's customers under cc-0 license.
For games that depends on server-side services to work, that should be provided as well.
But under capitalism, that will be an uphill battle.
Many microcontrollers can be set up for in circuit programming.
They might be intended for one time programming in the factory, but solder some wires on in the right place and supply the right signal and it can be reprogrammed.
Is that a circuit or a computer?
It doesn't make any sense. If I make a box with a screen that runs linux (idk for ordering lunch in school canteen) and only update the OS by physically removing the hard drive and installing it from different computer, does that justify it being proprietary?
On the other end a circuit can be changed e.g. by tuning a potentiometer or straight up changing a component. That's not any different than changing a value of a variable in the firmware. There is no actual difference in hardware and software, just different level of abstraction like C vs Python.
If it's critical for operation of a device the company makes it's money with.
Edit: free, but i meant open
Yeah, I should have mentioned that it's not production ready or released to the public. They're quietly building it on whatever schedule they have so that when Cosmic is complete, they'll already have something to offer everyone.
ETA: I just happened to discover it when I was poking around their GitHub repositories. It's not documented for a reason 😅
miracle-wm) is still a work in progress, and yet Fedora already officially offers a Spin for it. What you're describing would only be true if Fedora was switching to COSMIC as the official desktop for Fedora.
Regardless, the maintainers doing the Spin proposal have said they will only release the spin when COSMIC gets a full release. And COSMIC is very much Alpha quality software still.
fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes…
They expect it to "reach maturity" so likely when Beta 1 is released at the earliest.
Edit: I would expect the timeline to look as follows:
End of Jan: Alpha 5
End of Feb: Alpha 6
End of Mar: Alpha 7 or Beta 1
End of Apr: Beta 1 or Beta 2
End of May: Beta 2 or Beta 3 or Release
End of Jun: Beta 3 or Release
End of Jul: Release Epoch 1 or Alpha 1 for Epoch 2 (seeing as they said they want to release Epoch 2 in the same year i.e this year)
Really? I must not have heard about that, I'm sorry.
When I said "very alpha", I meant that it still very much contained bugs and lacked features, as in it is still in Alpha.
When I'm talking about bugs, the main ones I've encountered are the ones I've seen on Brodie Robertson's COSMIC streams.
The only unfixed bug I've encountered is terminal font rendering on COSMIC Terminal being very weird and different compared to all other terminals I've tried, specifically Alacritty, Kitty and Foot. I've seen a bug report about "Black bars about content" but nothing mentioned about how, for example, Hack size 14 on all those 3 terminals looks bigger than Hack size 18 on COSMIC Terminal.
I was wondering if that would be fixed with Alpha 5?
But other than that, I only had 1 bug until recently, that seemed to have been fixed with Alpha 4 (keybindings fell back to default ones for a few minutes of logins on cold boot; idk what caused it but it's been gone since I went to Alpha 4.
So... is there a timeline for releases I could follow? I've been looking at the issue tracker for Epoch 1, and I'm even asking questions about and tracking individual features like Startup Applications and especially Pinned Workspaces.
Apologies but do you happen to know where I could find more info on Pinned Workspaces and maybe how to automatically implement them as replacement for Static Workspaces until that feature arrives in the Epoch 2 cycle?
Many thanks for reading and I would greatly appreciate a response.
And of course thanks for making what is now my daily driver Desktop.
And Happy New Year!
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Former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger calls for prayer and fasting for employees
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OBS Studio 31.0.0 released
Important
* NVIDIA Kepler (600 and 700 series) GPUs are no longer supported for NVENC.
* NVIDIA users may need to update their GPU drivers to 551.76 (Windows) / 550.54.14 (Linux) or newer.
Important
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New Features
- Added NVIDIA Blur Filter and Background Blur [pkviet]
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- Added v210 format support for AJA device capture [paulh-aja]
- Added Amazon IVS service integration [palana]
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How do you feel about MS-DOS inspired UI for a Lemmy Client?
Personally, it would be my favourite even if it were just a RSS feeder app where colours would only pour from media or link embeds but I can’t stop the idea of even having the messenger conform to this style where we replace emojis with Kaomojis even.
If it were me, I would also go as far as hiding a mini snake game as an easter egg ✌︎
Not well - at least in Lynx, content doesn't load at all. You basically get the sidebar.
Piefed looks great though. Obviously not the feel of a native terminal app, but seemingly fully functional and everything makes sense.
Maybe it was Neon Modem Overdrive, or this TUI app.
But, yeah - shell browsers like the ones you mentioned don't support JavaScript, so won't work with Lemmy (as it currently is - it might be different when they start using the leptos-based UI). There's places where they're not great with PieFed either (e.g. link2 -g can't deal with WEBP images), but it's completely theme-able, so a theme could easily be added by someone suitably invested to overwrite the existing HTML and provide a better experience.
Eh, I think there's a need for appropriate technology here. Lemmy is inherently a multi-modal platform, with images, links, and text. I like the browser skins and apps that browse Lemmy.
As an educational project or simply for fun I say go for it.
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I would also go as far as hiding a mini snake game as an easter egg
If you want some code for that I have my own C++ version I made for an ESP32 with OLED screen, it can easily be adapted to most other languages. I did it to get some programming practice. I have Tetris too. All you gotta do is replace the GPIO button inputs with keyboard inputs (or some other boolean on/off user input element) and replace the graphics framework and routines as well (it's only simple stuff like lines, boxes, and setting individual pixels). The whole thing runs in a "neverending" while loop, first checking inputs, then checking collisions, then redrawing any objects that need to move to another position.
I can upload to my GitHub and link them later after work. They do use OOP though, treating each sprite on the board as its own object, and feeding pointers to them into a collision detection routine every game tick. I dunno, some people have a visceral hate for OOP.
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Rentlar
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •I think overall it's not a bad suggestion, and yes Photon looks very sleek, and I have even contributed a language translation for it.
However, my main concern is: what would happen if the main dev loses interest and drops support of the interface? Lemmy backend may add a new feature that either breaks Photon, or Photon can't make use of it until updated. If the development of this frontend could be more integrated with the Lemmy project team and funded, I would be less concerned.
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TheArstaInventor
in reply to Rentlar • • •While it would be best if lemmy devs can be more involved with photon, photon is still completely open source and the project is open to contributors, worst case hypothetical scenario of if the project ever gets abandoned it can always be forked, continued, or even better it can be handed by the current dev to someone who can continue to keep it alive.
If photon is widely used I see no reason the dev would just abandon it as it is rather than handing over the project to someone else who has already been contributing.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •Like the old.lemmy interface which hasn't been updated since July?
- github.com/rystaf/mlmym
- github.com/rystaf/mlmym/graphs…
I'm pro FOSS, but that's not a silver bullet that magically attracts developers to work on projects. We're still a 45k monthly active users community which relies on 5 devs which work on Lemmy, and maybe 2 on each of the alternatives (Mbin and Piefed).
The appeal for text-based forums just isn't there anymore.
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ElectroVagrant
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •I follow what you're getting at here, but I think this line of thinking, of Lemmy as a platform, also contributes to the issues in drawing more people to this network of communities/sites.
As Kichae said in your other thread:
... show moreI follow what you're getting at here, but I think this line of thinking, of Lemmy as a platform, also contributes to the issues in drawing more people to this network of communities/sites.
As Kichae said in your other thread:
On one hand I agree that the interface, and in turn the user experience, is worth focusing on to help get people to participate around here. On the other, I think you also need what Kichae describes at the end of their comment. Communities that can stand on their own with their own distinct identities and interests that also happen to let you talk with and see stuff from other distinct communities.
At some point I'd like to move to a little more focused sort of community like that built with Lemmy (or Piefed, or Mbin), but haven't had luck finding any that fit so far since many are broader in scope instead.
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morrowind
in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •TheArstaInventor
in reply to morrowind • • •ElectroVagrant
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •@morrowind@lemmy.ml
It's a bit of both in my opinion. You only market/suggest Lemmy (as forum/link aggregator software) to those with the tech knowledge to build with it, but to everyone else you mention a community site to join and don't bother mentioning what it's built with, as they won't care anyway.
TheArstaInventor
in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •morrowind
in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •Right, I'm not hung on the term, just the idea.
To add, discourse is pretty big among techy communities, including, ironically, the fediverse forum. It also has a pretty terrible user experience, but also a ton of tools for corporates, which lemmy will probably need if they want to market to those types (lot of potential money there).
And the thing is, even if those don't add to the regular fedi/threadi verse, they still get people familiar with the platform and UI.
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dance_ninja
Unknown parent • • •Here's a screenshot on Firefox.
It feels nicer to me, and following nested comments is less tedious without the compact color lives. My friends who don't use Lemmy prefer I send Photon links when I can.
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Unknown parent • • •I'm kinda the opposite. I love the information density of the lemmy ui and as a text first user I dislike auto expanding pictures with a vengeance. Now I don't really care what the default is as long as I can choose my poison.
Where did you find statistics on client use? I browse lemmy using firefox/mull whether it's on desktop, laptop, tablet or phone.
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Unknown parent • • •It seems you’re uncomfortable with the term "default," and I can understand why. However, when I use "default UI," I’m referring to what users see when they access a server through its primary link (rather than alternate UI links like those offered by lemmy.world, for example). My proposal to replace the current base UI with Photon doesn’t take away the option for users to continue using alternative UIs if they prefer. That flexibility remains intact. However, the average user, especially those new to Lemmy, is likely to access and evaluate the platform through the default link.
Unless every single server admin changes to alternative UIs manually on their own, "default UI" will exist because a lot of servers, atleast to begin with, settle on whatever Lemmy comes with.
This proposal is aimed at both server admins, particularly those managing "general-purpose" servers where average users are most likely to join, and Lemmy devs themselves. A modern, intuitive default UI could significantly improve first impressions and help attract a broader audience.
... show moreIt seems you’re uncomfortable with the term "default," and I can understand why. However, when I use "default UI," I’m referring to what users see when they access a server through its primary link (rather than alternate UI links like those offered by lemmy.world, for example). My proposal to replace the current base UI with Photon doesn’t take away the option for users to continue using alternative UIs if they prefer. That flexibility remains intact. However, the average user, especially those new to Lemmy, is likely to access and evaluate the platform through the default link.
Unless every single server admin changes to alternative UIs manually on their own, "default UI" will exist because a lot of servers, atleast to begin with, settle on whatever Lemmy comes with.
This proposal is aimed at both server admins, particularly those managing "general-purpose" servers where average users are most likely to join, and Lemmy devs themselves. A modern, intuitive default UI could significantly improve first impressions and help attract a broader audience.
In my experience, Photon has been responsive and largely glitch-free in terms of performance, especially compared to Reddit's new UI, which I personally find horrible. That said, hearing that Photon is being rewritten for further performance improvements is encouraging and only adds to its potential as a suitable base UI.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •!newcommunities@lemmy.world
There's more potential for than just tech on Lemmy, but it seems like people just prefer to talk about this. A community like the two listed above, or !casualconversation@lemm.ee could be much more active, but people just don't seem really into this.
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Unknown parent • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •It's a matter of preference: lemmy.world/post/22994355
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erlend_sh
Unknown parent • • •I suggested the official adoption of Photon a year ago. Xylight was tentatively on board with it.
Even more important though is this change which would allow an alternative frontend to be used as a default, instead of having to be relegated to a sub-domain.
wakest
in reply to erlend_sh • • •OpenStars
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •Filtered word: nsfw
I mostly agree with you on so much of this - like perhaps the main reason that hobbyists don't use Lemmy rather than Reddit is that we have no actual "content" that they would like (politics + Linux just isn't everyone's thing). Which in turn relates to people not being here, which in turn relates to still other things. One chief among the latter issues is the overall lack of moderation, which in turn relates to the overall suckiness of existing moderation tools (reputedly?), especially across instances that do not currently receive reports (one Lemmy dev, Nutomic, has added that to the Roadmap, but not until ~0.20, and while the current version is 0.19.7, Lemmy.World is still rocking 0.19.3, so this does seem like the work of the better part of a year to get fully deployed to ~80% of the users on the Fediverse?).
However, and unfortunately I am not joking, fully 100% of the people that I have recommended Lemmy to have turned around and actively chided me for having recommended it to them. Obviously the big 3 tankie instances (lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ml) can be quite toxic hellholes - I almost quit the Fediverse myself after mistakingly making a couple of comment over on those, and receiving replies for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards, each - but even so I could not quite understand the vehemence of the response for the longest time. Until I put myself in their shoes: did you know that (1) a Google (not DuckDuckGo, but which one are mainstream normies going to use!?) search pulls up lemmy.ml as the top instance for "Lemmy"; (2) the default sort method there is set to Local, not All; (3) that instance is chock-full of content that makes fun of people in Western nations, particular Americans but also Europeans too. NO WONDER!?!?!
And related, so many Lemmy instances (such as lemm.ee the #3 one overall, after lemmy.world and lemmynsfw.com) still federate with hexbear.net and even lemmygrad.ml - as I mentioned earlier, I almost left the Fediverse myself after being trolled by them. They can do whatever they want, but so too can I, and why would I desire to expose myself to that?
So I would argue that the top issues with Lemmy relate more to lack of content, presence of toxicity, lack of mod tools, and in particular lack of "niche" interests that make people feel welcomed. To help with that, I petitioned my instance Discuss.Online to defederate from hexbear.net (it was) and created !AskUSA@Discuss.Online. We already have the likes of e.g. !asklemmy@lemmy.world, !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works, !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world, !showerthoughts@lemmy.world, !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world, etc. - but this makes people, particularly Americans from Reddit, feel more welcomed when there is a space particularly suited for them (actually: us, as I am one of 'em!
. I hope more people do more activities such as this. Also, check out piefed.social/ - it's not quite ready for the masses yet as it lacks many features, but damn it is so welcoming and friendly and fills me with hope for our future when I see those.
All that said, yes a snazzy UI will profoundly help as well - not in isolation of but in combination with all the rest of the work that we need to do in order to grow this wonderful place that we like to call our own:-).
astro_ray
in reply to OpenStars • • •Yes. Many people are too hung up on mastodon and lemmy to see that there are other software in fediverse. And if lemmy UI doesn't quite work for one, they should try a different one. There's no need to stick to the most popular software.
As for communities, there's not much one can do about it.
Serinus
in reply to astro_ray • • •As long as they properly interact, sure. But critical mass is important, and I feel like Lemmy is just getting there.
OpenStars
in reply to Serinus • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to OpenStars • • •Twitter users don't like Reddit format and vice versa
OpenStars
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Very true, but perhaps not universally so. Even if a tenth of one percent of those users who left were to have come here, it would have been noticeable. Instead, we stayed the same size.
Or perhaps they did, and it balanced out people leaving, as too people increasing their number of alts - I sometimes comment or even post from my STW instance, and vote too, so I maintain all 3 on a monthly basis: at the beginning of this past year I would have been considered as "1 user", whereas now I am counted as 3.
And like, if someone were to leave LW and move to another instance, then likewise they will be counted as "2 users"? (this could be simply a blip as they migrate from one to the other, unless they also occasionally visit their old, and perhaps do an activity like vote or reply, as I have done, in which case it remains as 2 active users)
And in creating the !AskUSA@discuss.online community, m_f created a new alt in order to help mod it, and AdmiralPatrick started using their DO account after seemingly having let it lapse. So are those "2 new users
... show moreVery true, but perhaps not universally so. Even if a tenth of one percent of those users who left were to have come here, it would have been noticeable. Instead, we stayed the same size.
Or perhaps they did, and it balanced out people leaving, as too people increasing their number of alts - I sometimes comment or even post from my STW instance, and vote too, so I maintain all 3 on a monthly basis: at the beginning of this past year I would have been considered as "1 user", whereas now I am counted as 3.
And like, if someone were to leave LW and move to another instance, then likewise they will be counted as "2 users"? (this could be simply a blip as they migrate from one to the other, unless they also occasionally visit their old, and perhaps do an activity like vote or reply, as I have done, in which case it remains as 2 active users)
And in creating the !AskUSA@discuss.online community, m_f created a new alt in order to help mod it, and AdmiralPatrick started using their DO account after seemingly having let it lapse. So are those "2 new users" - definitely not.
So even more than us not growing, we might be shrinking more than we realize.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to OpenStars • • •Twitter and Reddit have been around for more than 10 years, people are familiar with both sides, are know which one they prefer (it can be both).
That's why I was not expecting any Twitter not liking Reddit to come here, the same way Mastodon probably didn't see a lot of new accounts when Reddit messed up in June 2023.
OpenStars
in reply to astro_ray • • •Regarding mod tools: someone can teach themselves to program, learn Rust, and then develop that functionality and contribute it for free to the Lemmy codebase. That's a tall ask though.
A more readily accessible contribution would be for someone to start a community. More importantly, someone can fill an existing one by writing posts with content. But then people will ignore it or worse, possibly downvote it into the negatives. Some people want the Fediverse to grow, while others just want to be fed meme-style content. These people are at odds with one another, and yet it takes all kinds.
Free_Opinions
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •AnonomousWolf
Unknown parent • • •TriflingToad
in reply to AnonomousWolf • • •anamethatisnt
Unknown parent • • •It wasn't meant as a "gotcha!" as I was curious to see the stats, I think that your bias is correct and that those like me that prefer the compact format are a minority.
Seems that there are unusually many of us perusing Lemmy though.
I believe having a poll where people choose their favourite Desktop UI, their favourite way of consuming lemmy content on their mobile devices as well as ask them if they consider using an alternate UI a hassle. That would be a great first step when it comes to deciding on where the UI should be headed. The next problem would be getting the poll to those that chose to leave lemmy and those that never tried it.
Blaze (he/him)
Unknown parent • • •old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlterna…
Blaze (he/him)
Unknown parent • • •That's why nowadays it's recommended to not talk about federation anymore. Just as in the Reddit post, (by the way, I'm the author) give them two links
And that's it. No schema, no picture, no federation. Just two bullet points, and people can already have a look, using an instance that defederates hexbear and lemmygrad, and with a nice app
Discover Fediverse apps with LemmyApps
www.lemmyapps.comasudox
in reply to TheArstaInventor • • •That is highly unlikely to happen.
This was a response from dessalines, one of the lemmy devs:
Source: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui-l…
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to asudox • • •