TikTok tells Supreme Court ‘sell-or-ban’ law stems from refusal to censor
TikTok tells US Supreme Court ‘sell-or-ban’ law stems from company’s refusal to censor
Its filing comes as Justice Department argues the law is meant to cut the popular short-video app’s ties to the Chinese government.Khushboo Razdan (South China Morning Post)
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thanks for sharing. but i feel that after reading his Wikipedia entry this guy also had somewhat difficult ideas to put it mildly.
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not saying that the particular ideas discussed in your linked article are wrong though. i guess they make sense from a us-centric, realist perspective. what is, in my mind, often missing from discussions about NATO expansion is that the new members wanted to join NATO. given how the Soviet Union/Russia treated those countries in the past, i can hardly blame them.
::: spoiler Most of the time, I (a European) can't distinguish the differences between neocons and liberals in the USA. But, in any case, I think that for both applies this old joke:
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says."Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America".
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Ex-NBC anchor Brian Williams roasts fellow journalists for failing to cover 'struggling' Biden accurately
cross-posted from: thelemmy.club/post/21189302
Ex-NBC News anchor Brian Williams told the Washington Post that it was "crushing" to watch journalists try to cover a "visibly struggling" President Biden in the last four years.
Ex-NBC anchor Brian Williams roasts fellow journalists for failing to cover 'struggling' Biden accurately
cross-posted from: thelemmy.club/post/21189302
Ex-NBC News anchor Brian Williams told the Washington Post that it was "crushing" to watch journalists try to cover a "visibly struggling" President Biden in the last four years.
Israeli Soldier Flees Brazil amid War Crimes Investigation - Developing Story
Israeli Soldier Flees Brazil amid War Crimes Investigation - Developing Story - Palestine Chronicle
An Israeli soldier, under investigation in Brazil for alleged war crimes, has reportedly fled the country to avoid arrest.admin (Palestine Chronicle)
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there always will be so long as the american empire exists and i welcome the downvotes because it gives me a chance to quote rick and morty:
your boos mean nothing to me; i've seen what makes you cheer!
it works well because they've finally unmasked in supporting a genocide and then got it rubbed in their faces when the people they supported escalated that genocide after they no longer needed the votes.
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I agree with you unconditionally, but I'm gonna downvote anyway for making a point to quote Rick & Morty
(not really)
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Europe Continues to Import Israeli Gas Amid Genocide in Gaza
Europe Continues to Import Israeli Gas Amid Genocide in Gaza - CounterPunch.org
On December 17, a Dutch nonprofit organization dedicated to corporate accountability, SOMO, published a study of Israel’s energy sector amid the ongoing Israeli genocide in the Gaza Strip.Arvind Dilawar (CounterPunch.org)
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Here's another article about how it's not even really their legally accepted gas to begin with
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haha, ethical europe refuses to buy gas from russia (no genocide), doesnt want to buy EVs from china (no genocide) but buys gas from israel (absolutely yes televised genocide).
the west really is the only civilized place on earth...
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More than only gas. Europe is mass buying Israeli weapons to fund the genocide.
Note that those weapons are rarely made in Israel. Manufacturing is done in the US or Europe. Israel only designs and tests the weapons on their human test subjects in the concentration camp.
Water theft persists as Israel grabs 40 percent of Syria's vital water resources
Located just a few hundred meters east of Quneitra, some 50 kilometers southwest of the Syrian capital, Al-Mantara Dam sits within the buffer zone established on the Golan Heights in 1979.
This vital water reservoir has for long sustained not only Quneitra province, where the occupied Holan Heights is located, but also the broader arid southern region of Syria.
With the occupation of Al-Mantara Dam, the most significant dam in southern Syria, experts say nearly 40 percent of Syria's water resources are now under the illegal control of the Israeli regime.
Before Al-Mantara, they occupied five other key sites that supply water to Syria from neighbors.
Water theft persists as Israel grabs 40 percent of Syria's vital water resources
With the occupation of Al-Mantara Dam, the most vital water resource in southern Syria, nearly 40 percent of Syrian water resources are now under the illegal control of Israel.PressTV
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Not that israel doesnt steal water, but can we find a better source than an irr-funded site?
Edit: @davel for some reason i cant answer you directly.
All of the criticisms about manufacturing consent directly apply to non-western media too. Especially to an outlet that paints Qassem Soleimani as a beloved folk hero. About as truthful as proclaim Brian Thompson to be some working class hero.
The Turkish, Israeli, American and Qatari media like do not report much on Syria because it is not in their interest. So most news about human rights violations in Syria currently comes from Lebanon and Iran.
Adversaries are all too keen to point fingers to other parties. Allies like to cover for them.
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Especially to an outlet that paints Qassem Soleimani as a beloved folk hero.
Do you actually think that your empire is any better? I live in a country with slavemaster's on the money. And that's just for starters... The indoctrination and false consciousness is unstoppable in the imperial core.
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I have to say, aside from the whole 'Keep Bibi out of jail by keeping us in a permanent emergency powers state' its kind of clear to me that the past year and change that's occured, Israel has been using this as a time of settling grudges, getting things off the bucket list. Cause so much destruction to their enemies that they're in a permantley stronger position by the time they finally decide to stop bombing the rubble.... Make hay while the sun is shining... or in this case, Kill, bomb, and brutalize every potential "terrorist" you can find in a 500 mile radius. Fuck the UN, Fuck the rest of the world, Double down and openly talk about wiping populations out and run to Washington for protection when it gets too uncomfortable. If you've already declared martial law and a state of war, and have already pissed away any sliver of goodwill you might have saved the last 10 years which if you're Israel, is basically nothing, then you might as well take care of all your "problems" while the iron's hot. Israel isnt going to stop until there's no one left to fight in the region.
I'm a weird case who would happily love to see the IDF and Hamas/Hezbollah wipe each other out...because after living through 3 or 4 rounds of Levant brutality olympics, I can't bring myself to pick a side anymore aside from "the side of people who dont have guns" you can't pick a side without a flame war, and if Im going to argue about geopolitics, I'll focus on the one thats newer to me. the one thats more morally black and white, the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Dont get me wrong, I still 100% believe that the Hamas attack was a Russo-Iranian orchestrated distraction to draw world attention from the war in Ukraine. because Israel acted so predictably. Hamas attacks like wild animals and butchers hundreds of people, and sends Israel into the blood rage everyone knew they would, and look what's happened since, and how the world has reacted.
Aside from the whole part about Israel bombing Iran. And the Assad regime falling, this thing has worked out pretty well for Russia at least, as far as its European adventure is concerned.
id be fine with the IDF, Hamas and Hezbollah all wiping each other out to a man, but I know that one side's got infinitely more firepower in this game...
anyway. its clear to me Israel is just using this wartime emergency powers time... to A - keep Bibi out of jail, obviously, but B - Steal, Destroy, Occupy, and Kill as much as they can while the iron is hot. Im frankly surprised they convinced Hezbollah to a ceasefire and its held as long as it did, because Israel doesn't show any intention of stopping its war state anytime soon.
Ex-NBC anchor Brian Williams roasts fellow journalists for failing to cover 'struggling' Biden accurately
Ex-NBC News anchor Brian Williams told the Washington Post that it was "crushing" to watch journalists try to cover a "visibly struggling" President Biden in the last four years.
Sex workers are workers, end of story.
Most things labelled "sex work" are actually human trafficking and most Western left groups that oppose expansion of the sex industry and even want it banned are made up of former "sex workers". So no, not end of story, you do need to actually investigate the topic and understand it as more than a slogan.
I understand you Americans have fucked up views on sex workers and treat them like shit, but that is on you.
This is not exclusive to the United States.
Also Australia women were taken as comfort women by Japan, and yet we still legalise and protect our sex workers.
Was Australia occupied and had its people constantly forced into slavery roles, including rape, by the occupiers? Comparing a handful of captured during the war vs. decades of occupation and society-level abuse is disgusting.
Since you are presumably in Australia, can you tell me some stats on human trafficking there?
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Critique of work isn't monopolized by primmies. 🙄
I want a post-work society. Don't you?
Lefties characterize much of labor under capitalism as wage slavery that builds profit off of injured bodies. And they seek to undo those conditions. Are you aware of anyone here that looks at those who must injure themselves to work and does not want that to go away?
Your responses here are a confused mileu. It seems like you know basically nothing about others' stances but feel like you still deserve an (dismissive) opinion. Who taught you that this was okay?
Yes and for that we need literal sci-fi technology.
Until that day we will need to work to some degree to uphold living.
Yes, we are limited by our material conditions. I'm not a moralist.
But sex work is not one of the forms of work we need to uphold living.
You certainly are a moralist.
Sex workers play an important role in society, especially in helping ND or otherwisely abeled people.
I wonder who taught you to end every comment with an insult, trying to use shame to coerce silence instead of using rational thinking and supportive behavior to convince people on your ideas.
Or is your goal to just push people away and remind them of how they don’t want anything to do with the “left”
And sex work is coercive and exploitative, like all work. Sex workers are forced to play that role, just like we're all forced to do our jobs. And what's it called when you coerce someone for sex? Work is wage slavery, so what does that make sex work?
EDIT To clarify, I'm not speaking specifically about erotic literature. I actually don't think it should be treated the same as all other so-called "sex work." But no one should have to have sex with me just because I pay them.
Things like erotica were swept up in this total purge of marketing sex, and enforcement is inconsistent as it is usually regional.
A convenient excuse to stifle a person's consenting sexuality and agency. Written erotica hurts no one, and those arguing otherwise are falling into their authoritarian tendencies.
If you don't like sex work like pictured/video pornography and prostitution I can at least understand your reasoning. Both have massive issues of trafficking and sexual slavery. But swinging the hammer down like this on written erotica is purely authoritarian. And trying to justify arrests made as "inconsistent enforcement" is giving cover, purposeful or otherwise, to that authoritarianism.
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Here is another. Your personal views of media literacy are similar to that of a MAGA.
Why would I need another? Your selective reading of the original you posted is what was pointed out.
Re: MAGA, lazy sinophobia and only seeing the red meat for it is more of their thing. Not, "here is the rest of the context you ommitted". If that is your metric for badnesd, you are guiltu of it.
They were arrested for mass distribution, not for writing. Keep in mind this law was written before the internet, back then distributing 5000 copies was a fairly large operation. I don't think the writers of the law foresaw a future where distributing 5000 copies of a work could be done instantly and in many cases for free (although the punishment is more severe based on income)
I'm only clarifying the facts. My personal opinions on the matter are quite different.
I wonder who taught you to end every comment with an insult,
I haven't ended any comment with insults. I have called out poor behavior and racism/xenophobia, however.
My approach, generally speaking, is to engage fairly patiently and neutrally until it is clear that others are abusing this or if their behavior crosses serious lines like national chauvinism or ridiculous levels of condescension and bad faith, which is how you are approaching every disagreeing comment. Because at that point, ignoring the poor behavior tends to lead to it getting even worse.
trying to use shame to coerce silence
Look at how absurd this language is. You'd think I had arrested you and am now publicly berating you before throwing you in jail rather than correcting ignorant opinions and suggesting being less arrogant and national chauvinist when presented with disagreeing opinions.
There is no coercion in me telling you to be curious and humble or not national chauvinist. However, there is a ton of actual coercion in the sex industry. Try to have some perspective.
instead of using rational thinking and supportive behavior to convince people on your ideas.
I have presented rational thinking and look at how you and the Australian have responsed. And I would be happy to be supportive - so long as you recant the sinophobic statements and orientation you have presented. Because I'm not going to support that.
Or is your goal to just push people away and remind them of how they don’t want anything to do with the “left”
lmao you think growing the left is about tolerating arrogance and national chauvinism?
It’s not misleading. It’s just focusing on one aspect of a much larger problem. The article never said “only gay fiction.”
You seem to exist on both sides of this topic. It must be exhausting to be queer, and pro-china, since you’re definitely not welcome there.
A convenient excuse to stifle a person's consenting sexuality and agency.
It is not a convenient excuse, it is an understanding of other cultures and their histories. I did not even present a judgment of whether it is good for this to have happened.
Written erotica hurts no one, and those arguing otherwise are falling into their authoritarian tendencies.
Who here is arguing otherwise and what are their authoritarian tendencies?
If you don't like sex work like pictured/video pornography and prostitution I can at least understand your reasoning.
I couldn't because there are different ways someone can like or not like those things and they have different impacts on society when turned into political action.
Both have massive issues of trafficking and sexual slavery. But swinging the hammer down like this on written erotica is purely authoritarian.
What does it mean to be "purely authoritarian"? This is not a concept that I have ever seen coherently employed. Do you just mean that you believe it is unjust? That does not really address trying to understand more about where it is coming from, which is what the part of my comment that you quoted is describing. In fact, depending on what "authoritarian" even means, acknowledging the basic history of how China acquired anti-sex industry stances would require you to understand that it is not "purely" so, but draws from a reaction to systemic sexual violence and oppression.
In a sense, this kind of oversimplification is the core kernel of national chauvinism and orientalism.
And trying to justify arrests made as "inconsistent enforcement" is giving cover, purposeful or otherwise, to that authoritarianism.
Putting aside my criticism of the term authoritarian, what cover am I providing by providing relevant context about regional enforcement that sinophobic Westerners - who are all over this comment section - are usually unaware of?
The article clarifies, but you know people don't read articles. Posters read headlines and then go right to the comments section. All I was doing was taking the information in the article and posting it in the comments section.
And it's not like I'm fucking welcome in my own home lol
Okay? So let’s leave the rabbit hole you dug and just go back to the actual topic.
I guess you’re too afraid to answer it, so you divert the conversation into your comfort zone.
The tactics you were disagreeing with were me asking people where they picked up the habit kf having strong dismissive opinions before investigating a topic and calling out national chauvinism. You are engaging in childish taunting.
Though I am, of course, perfectly happy with my approach and have been. You are being hypocritical.
It's not a convient excuse
It is. You're handwaving away criticism of laws that are being applied improperly and unequally. Even if this was a local failure, which it isn't since this type of content is illegal all over China, that doesn't excuse failure to equally enforce in this circumstance.
Who here is arguing otherwise
Plenty of comments are defending China's actions here saying it's necessary to fight sex work. It isn't. It's an authoritarian action taken to stifle sexuality and exert control. You see this most often in fascist governments when setting up dictatorships. And before I get dumb comments, China isn't fascist. But they are authoritarian in several of their tendencies.
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What is "Purely Authoritarian"
It's dictating human nature and what is allowed based on governmental morals. You say this is in reaction to the sexual and war crimes that have occurred in China. While that may be the root of the law, that does not make it just in this application of the law.
Consenting adults in the privacy of their own home writing/collecting their own written material are not engaging in or even condoning such tragedies. To harken back to such tragedies when talking about something unrelated is yet another excuse to give cover to authoritarian actions.
If we were talking about pictured/video pornography or prostitution that would be one thing. But this is written erotica. There is no physical person being engaged with. This is at best reactionary and at worst authoritarian.
Also reactionary actions can still be authoritarian. Was the term "purely authoritarian" hyperbole? Yes. Are you being a complete pedant in pointing this out? Also yes.
What cover?
By using "inconsistent enforcement" as an excuse to ignore criticism. There is no justification for these arrests, and yet excuses are being made for what occurred. On top of all of that: inconsistent enforcement is a tell tale sign of authoritarianism as the law is used as an excuse to arrest whoever offends. Even though said laws aren't applied uniformly. Thus manufacturing pretty much any consent needed for an arrest.
You can claim things like western chauvnism and orientalism, but those words have actual meaning that you debase when you throw it out at any criticism of China. This arrest was, once again, reactionary at best and downright authoritarian at worst.
Even if you allow for the special focus it still implies China is targeting gay erotica, as opposed to gay erotica. Those are very different stories. Plus, this forum doesn't have a focus on any specific groups for which the publication's bias should be accounted.
And so that's what I did. I clarified what was missing in the title. That's all.
I’m just doing what you’re doing, not talking about the topic the other person wants to talk about.
I am directly quoting and responding to basically everything said to me, lol. You might be projecting, as own comments are rife with deflections and topic changes. I ignored this 3-4 times before making a note of it just now.
Show me I’m wrong by talking about the topic I want to talk about, the original post.
I mean, you have said many things related to the original post and I have addressed many of them. You are, after the fact, trying to invent there being only one relevant and restricted original topic, which is, hilariously, not something you ever explicitly stated until just now. You haven't even really stated it, you are couching it in a question.
Feel free to make a top level comment about "the original topic" and I will feel free to respond to it or not.
You're free to make as many posts as you'd like about whatever topic you'd like, but I won't be pretending you aren't just bailing on a comment chain because you ran out of steam.
Just be honest, friend. It's a lot less work to just be honest. You are way too invested in fighting to the death and aren't seeing reason.
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What do you think is an appropriate punishment? My inclination is "nothing," since writing about sex is the same as writing about any other normal everyday thing people do, but I'm always curious what would be appropriate to people who see things differently. Fewer years? A fine? Community service? I am genuinely curious.
What punishment should librarians in the US get for distributing written sex? They get a paycheck for this work. How much should Chuck Tingle have to pay, or how much time should he serve?
if you're doing it for fun you're not exchanging money
this is mental gymnastics
It is. You're handwaving away criticism of laws
How so? I don't think having a culturally appropriate and historical understanding is hand waving. Do you?
that are being applied improperly and unequally.
To my knowledge I am the only person making note of Inconsistent enforcement. Rather than criticizing it to "hand wave" I introduced the topic.
Even if this was a local failure, which it isn't since this type of content is illegal all over China, that doesn't excuse failure to equally enforce in this circumstance.
National laws are often fleshed out and enforced at more local levels, leading to inconsistency. Your logic does not make sense, as a local failure in applying national law occurs regularly and tends to be the impetus for more consistent national enforcement and is related to the anti-corruption campaigns of the last decade and more. I have added this context because Western chauvinists broad brush their designated enemies from smaller or isolated incidents that are blown up into xenophobic and often racist talking points.
Can you describe, for me, how you believe national, regional, municipal, and local governance generally operates in China?
Plenty of comments are defending China's actions here saying it's necessary to fight sex work.
Please show me these comments.
It isn't. It's an authoritarian action taken to stifle sexuality and exert control.
Is that so? Can you show me your methodology and source materials for how you have discovered these root causes?
You see this most often in fascist governments when setting up dictatorships.
Oh? Most often? So then you have done a fair comparison across different political tendencies, cultures, histories, and governments and can show me some statistics?
And before I get dumb comment, China isn't fascist. But they are authoritarian in several of their tendencies.
You rely heavily on that ambiguous and selectively applied term. Why not be more direct and descriptive?
I couldn'tK.
Does this mean you are uninterested in good faith dialogue?
It's dictating human nature and what is allowed based on governmental morals.
That is a lot to unpack. The concept of human nature is itself poisoned by reactionary ideas, it is used to actually reinforc a desired status quo by claiming it to be an immutable ot otherwise "natural" way of things rather than something that is mutable and socially constructex. For example, European Christian concepts of original sin have been used to rationalize a misanthropic view of people as inherently bad and in need of subservience to the ruling powers of different eras.
I have yet to see appeals to human nature used in a way that was not reactionary, but maybe you are thinking of something that is not. Can you state this more concretely?
Re: government morals, all state policies and enforcement is political and social, and has some kind of a moral component. So this would not distinguish this from any other state policy. Are all state policies authoritarian? If so, do you describe all of them as such, consistently? Or do you think you may be inclined to use the term for certain countries more than others, as is more common?
You say this is in reaction to the sexual and war crimes that have occurred in China. While that may be the root of the law, that does not make it just in this application of the law.
I did not present it as a sufficient justification for any particular thing. I added it as context for understanding a culture and history that most people here will be unfamiliar with and onto which they are eager to project their biases. You are assigning conclusions and motivations that aren't there and are being uncharitable.
Consenting adults in the privacy of their own home writing/collecting their own written material are not engaging in or even condoning such tragedies.
Yes everyone knows this and nothing I've said contradicts it.
To harken back to such tragedies when talking about something unrelated is yet another excuse to give cover to authoritarian actions.
You think that the historical and cultural origins of the law are irrelevant to its existence and application? What?
It feels like you are just cobbling together negative sentiments to throw at the wall, facts be damned.
If we were talking about pictured/video pornography or prostitution that would be one thing. But this is written erotica. There is no physical person being engaged with. This is at best reactionary and at worst authoritarian.
Is it reactionary, a holdover from a progressive law that doesn't always map neatly onto modern times (this law is actually about distribution, not "writing in their own homes"), a regional variation? Is it a composition of the three in different ways? Is there more to it? How do you distinguish the law from enforcement? How much do you know about these specific cases?
Also reactionary actions can still be authoritarian. Was the term "purely authoritarian" hyperbole? Yes. Are you being a complete pedant in pointing this out? Also yes.
I still cannot tell you what I think you mean by the term "authoritarian". In my experience it is a term used selectively, like calling designated enemy states "regimes" and designated good or neutral states "governments", and it means little aside from trying to communicate a negative connotation despite presenting itself as political theory. Its modern usage can be traced back to imperialist cold war PR campaigns to try and flatten the difference between Nazis and the communists that defeated them.
It is important to be humble and self-critical about one's own unexamined biases.
By using "inconsistent enforcement" as an excuse to ignore criticism.
I didn't do that. Please do your best to not invent things about me to get mad about.
There is no justification for these arrests, and yet excuses are being made for what occurred.
I haven't seen the latter once. And I cannot address the first without knowing more about the situation.
On top of all of that: inconsistent enforcement is a tell tale sign of authoritarianism as the law is used as an excuse to arrest whoever offends.
Arresting whoever offends would be a consistent application of the law. And again I cannot imagine what you mean by "telltale sign of authoritarianism". What are your examples? Have you done a fair comparison? What do non-authoritarian law enforcements look like?
Even though said laws aren't applied uniformly. Thus manufacturing pretty much any consent needed for an arrest.
This does not make sense. Regional variation is not the same as selective application at the point of declaring warrants, which is the kind of inconsistency you are describing as bad.
Also, manufacturing consent is a term about how capitalist media creates its narratives through the amplification of thise biased towards ruling class interests, even if they themselves do not think of themselves as corrupt or as political operatives.
You can claim things like western chauvnism and orientalism, but those words have actual meaning that you debase when you throw it out at any criticism of China
I don't do that. You are, again, making things up about me. Please do your best to talk to me, the human on another screen, and not the person in your head that you are angry at.
The people I am replying to in this thread are often guilty of sweeping generalizations and sinophobic remarks.
This arrest was, once again, reactionary at best and downright authoritarian at worst.
Okay, so what about the rest of my comment that you didn't reply to?
You can Gish Gallop over this comment section all you want, but you're not worth my time. I'll put it simply for you here since you're so obtuse; outlawing how a person expresses their sexuality, when it isnt at the cost of another persons consent, is shitty and authoritarian.
Have fun defending reactionary and authoritarian actions. Whatever it takes to defend your side, right?
You can Gish Gallop over this comment section all you want, but you're not worth my time.
I am not Gish Galloping. I am engaging in good faith and am responding directly to what you're saying with explanations and context. Do you think that's a bad thing?
In many of these attempts to criticize you are really just telling on yourself. You're actually getting combative and complaining that I am taking the time to help you challenge unexamined biases (that you bring up via accusations) and provide additional relevant context. Given how many objective errors you have made in trying to justify your attacks, don't you think a bit of humility is in order? Why launch into everything with speculative attacks?
I'll put it simply for you here since you're so obtuse
I'm not being obtuse.
outlawing how a person expresses their sexuality, when it isnt at the cost of another persons consent, is shitty
I don't think we've had a conversation about whether that is shitty. This conversation has mostly been me replying to your false and bad faith accusations using more restraint and patience than you will likely receive any other time.
and authoritarian.
Again, this means nothing and you should be more skeptical towards your internalized biases.
Have fun defending reactionary and authoritarian actions.
I don't believe I've defended anything other than myself. You should get over this habit of lying about others in support of beinh dismissive.
Whatever it takes to defend your side, right?
I'm not the one engaging in bad faith behavior here and you are the only one thinking in terms of sides. Again, telling on yourself.
Please do your best to improve how you disagree with people. If you behaved like this in any decent irl left organization you would get kicked out for aggressive toxicity and dishonesty.
I don't think you're following the conversation closely so I'll repeat myself:
Work isn't coercive because I can imagine someone who enjoys their job.
Homelessness is fake.
Whatever psychologists recommend is enough to correct the obsessive behavior, obviously.
Only America-brained victims think police action is primarily punitive.
Worth reading the article, all erotica was targeted, as porn is illegal in China. Implying only gay erotica was targeted implies a homophobic focus, when it was anti-pornography.
Important distinction.
You’re right, the source of course is only talking about the 10, because it is relevant to them. Title doesn’t matter.
But, the government as a whole is homophobic or same-sex marriage would be legal.
Do you feel people should be imprisoned for writing erotic fiction?
Well, the people of china and the government are different. The government is firm in its stance, and is not improving at all. Since the people have very little control over their government, I don’t see this changing anytime soon.
I do agree that the article title was geared towards the audience that usually reads that website—like most websites. However, Regardless of the specific event, the CCP is not interested in the LGBT community.
What about you? Do you think that same-sex couples should be able to marry in China?
The people in China approve the government at about a 95% approval rate. The CPC has 96 million members out of the 1.4 billion citizens of China, while this is not mean the government is the people, the people do seem to be represented by government well there. And this is backed by improving material conditions. LGBT conditions are improving over time as well, Jin Xing is an openly transgender celebrity and she is beloved by the country. You should also look into how China's democracy works, as it is based from the bottom up in consensus building, which is why grassroots change is slow yet sure.
When sharing an article highlighting that LGBT erotica was targeted, and not erotica in general, you attempt to twist and massage a narrative. Even state media reports are quite positive and open minded regarding the LGBT community for supposedly being "firmly against them." Demographics within the National Party Congress are changing towards a younger demographic as well. The older generations oppose same-sex marriage, while the younger generations are for it, so these changing demographics are positive for same-sex marriage outlook. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about at all, and it shows.
Regarding your targeted question, I myself am pansexual, of course I want same-sex marriage to be legalized in China. There are already strides being made in the direction of legal and medical rights for couples even without being legally recognized as a marriage, but this is positive change. I hope China follows in Cuba's footsteps with their Family Code, one of the most progressive and expansive in the world, far surpassing the US at a federal level. Signs are positive.
I didn’t choose the headline, I’m not the author.
Sounds like you’re in the 5%
And sorry, I don’t click links on lemmy. But, I’ll take your word for it, even though I doubt 95% of people could agree on any single topic.
Good point. The issue at hand must be understood within the broader framework of state power and ideological control. While it's true that the immediate justification for these arrests is rooted in anti-pornography laws, the enforcement of such laws is not ideologically neutral. Under a socialist analysis, we must examine who these laws serve and who they suppress. The targeting of erotic writers—particularly LGBTQ+ creators—fits into a pattern of reinforcing bourgeois morality and suppressing dissenting or marginalized voices.
Sexuality, as part of the superstructure, is inherently tied to the base. In a society where the state aligns itself with heteronormative and patriarchal values, laws purportedly aimed at "protecting morality" often become tools of repression against communities and expressions that deviate from the status quo. The absence of legal protections for LGBTQ+ people and the lack of recognition for same-sex marriage in China is a clear indication of the state’s alignment with reactionary values, even as it claims to uphold socialism.
Marxists should oppose the imprisonment of writers for exploring erotic themes because these laws serve to restrict the free development of human creativity and reinforce the control of the state over the personal lives of individuals. Engels, in The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, critiques how oppressive social norms are used to maintain class society. Similarly, the suppression of erotic fiction is not about protecting the people but about consolidating ideological control over the masses, maintaining a culture of obedience and fear.
We must also critique the broader pattern of repression. Mass arrests, whether for writing fiction or other nonviolent expressions, represent the actions of a state more concerned with controlling its people than advancing their material conditions. A truly proletarian state would encourage the flourishing of diverse cultural expressions as part of the revolutionary process, not silence them under the pretext of "morality."
This crackdown is not an isolated incident but part of a larger reactionary turn in the governance of China. As communists, we must oppose these repressive measures and advocate for a society where the working class—not the state bureaucracy—has control over cultural and ideological production. Liberation includes the liberation of human expression from the chains of both commodification and state repression.
Is the treatment described in the article non-punative, or is the source flawed?
I thought you said that psychologists should direct people to be healthier, not that society should decide what is allowed and not allowed. Coming from a perspective where I am a woman attracted to other woman, I am not interested in what society doesn't like. My personal interest is in harm and the reduction of it, and science backed means of doing so.
Every government is untrustworthy and should be treated like a dangerous tool that can help or harm, depending on how the flawed humans who wield it choose to do so.
Could you share with me China's science on the dangers of erotica? The science of it is deeply interesting to me, more so than any government position, or the erotica itself. I'm never going to think prison or fines or psychological torture are the correct responses to describing an act millions of people perform every day, but if there is evidence of harm, I'm interested in reading it. If I need to agonize over machine translations, I'm willing to give it a shot.
Collapsing Empire: RIP CIA Front's 'Overt Operations' [Kit Klarenberg]
In recent months, a remarkable development in the Empire’s decline has gone almost entirely unnoticed. The National Endowment for Democracy’s grant database has been removed from the web. Until recently, a searchable interface allowed visitors to view detailed records of Washington-funded NGOs, civil society, and media projects in particular countries - covering most of the world - the sums involved, and entities responsible for delivering them. This resource has now inexplicably vanished, and with it, enormous amounts of incontrovertible, self-incriminating evidence of destructive US skullduggery abroad.Take for example NED grant records for Georgia, the site of recent repeated colour revolution efforts, at the forefront of which were Endowment-bankrolled organizations. While still accessible via internet archives, they were deleted during the summer. Today, visitors to associated URLs are redirected to a brief entry simply titled “Eurasia”. The accompanying text describes in very broad terms the Endowment’s aims regionally and the total being spent, but the crucial questions of where and on what aren’t clarified. In a comic hypocrisy too, the blurb boldly states:
“The heart of NED’s work in the region is the need to maintain access to objective information for local populations. Across the region, government actors are attempting to limit the space for citizens to distribute information and communicate freely online.”Resultantly, independent academics, activists, researchers, and journalists have been deprived of an invaluable resource for tracking and exposing the Empire’s machinations. Yet, the Endowment incinerating its public paper trail can only be considered a significant victory for these same actors. NED’s explicit and avowed raison d’être was to do publicly what US intelligence did - and in many cases still does - covertly. Now, after 40 years of wreaking havoc worldwide in service of the Empire, the CIA front has been forced underground, defeating its entire purpose.
This mass [Western media] omertà, which has intensified since, may be attributable to ever-rising hostility towards NED by foreign governments and populations, and associated efforts to restrict or outright proscribe the organization. The reality of the Endowment’s raison d’être and modus operandi has thus not only become unsayable but must be vehemently denied by Western journalists. Representatively, a July 2015 Guardian report on Russia banning NED quite unbelievably relied on a brief quote from the organization’s own website to describe its operations.
While the mainstream media may have remained silent on the NED’s mephitic influence overseas over the past decade, the same is not true of independent academics, activists, researchers, and journalists. The Endowment grant database served as an invaluable tool for keeping a close eye on Washington’s international intrigues and mapping the personal and organizational connections of agents and entities of influence. Meanwhile, NED’s status as a CIA front could be simply proven, via multiple public admissions of its own leaders.
Of course, despite NED brazenly purging evidence of its vast operations from the web, that conniving continues apace regardless, covertly. One might even argue the Endowment’s chicanery is all the more dangerous now, given individuals and organizations can conceal their funding sources. But the move amply shows NED today cannot withstand the slightest public scrutiny, which its existence was intended to exemplify. It also demonstrates that “overt operations” with open US funding are now the very “kiss of death” the Endowment was meant to replace. The Empire is on the run.
Collapsing Empire: RIP CIA Front's 'Overt Operations'
All my investigations are free to access, thanks to the generosity of my readers.Kit Klarenberg (Global Delinquents)
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I see the value of the database that was taken down, and that’s a shame.
I’m less convinced by the subtext of the piece, namely that NED is a CIA front, or that it’s bad to “promote democracy” worldwide by supporting opposition/pro-Western candidates.
That said, it’s definitely a gray area given the US’ history of doing coups…
The problem is it's usually a mix of both.
"Pro western" candidates are almost exclusively less democratic but installed by foreign backing.
The goto strat is usually to bribe the military to install the candidate so it doesn't look like a coup.
Ex: Sisi in Egypt.
It being a CIA front has been outright confirmed by the CIA in the 80s.
You also make the mistake of believing "promoting democracy" is meant in any way seriously.
- What sort of democracy? Venezuela, Cuba, China all are democratic per their own people which are highly supportive of their states, yet the NED was active there. NED was never active in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Monacco or other absolutist monarchies. The difference? The first group of states are on the US shitlist, the latter are subservient. Ergo, "promoting democracy" can only mean "installing people in power which are subservient to the US".
- Democracy? NED was and is very active in Ukraine, which has banned all opposition parties, no longer has elections and is snatching people off the streets to throw into the meatgrinder instead of making peace. NED also was very active during the Arab spring. Which lead to Sisi in Egypt (after the elected muslim brotherhood government dared not to continue selling Israel oil far below market price) and not-Al-Qaida in Syria (which famously are not opposing Israels invasion of Syria and previously staged a false flag gas attack on civilians, which the US supported via falsifying evidence and supressing on the ground findings)
Again we can see a trend of installing subservient governments in the name of "democracy".
This trend is contiuned everywhere, the supported Opposition is rabidly pro-US (see Thailand or Georgia for current examples), in no way to the benefit of their own people.
The matter is not remotely grey. You need to learn to read between the lines.
Well you see, American propaganda is cringe, while my superior vintage Soviet propaganda is based.
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American’s ratlined the Nazi’s into their country,
FYI, the Soviet Union also recruited Nazis into their ranks - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio…
Kind of what the whole thing in civil war was. Tony was looking to absolve his guilt over the people they failed to save while looking for more and more authoritarian methods of keeping the world "safe".
Cap was much more for freedom and while the idea that the avengers should have absolutely no oversight is absurd, the question of who should be the oversight was important and much of what the avengers did could not wait on a committee to decide to act (also, the last time a committee did act they decided to nuke New York)
Tony also had the issue that he felt guilty over his failed plan to protect the world that was pretty authoritarian.
I don't think cap would have been against all oversight, but the one presented was very narrow minded and slow to act until more drastic decisions had to be made, like nuking New York.
He’s propaganda for American exceptionalism sure, but also embodies it in an old school New Deal way. The character has been consistently anti-facist over the years.
Pretending that America isn't only already fascist, but inspired the fascists they are supposedly against is American exceptionalism, and you're eating it right up.
That dude was incompetent himself as evidenced by the previous movies. Highly doubt.
They fucked up by not just dropping the beginning to SA2:B in there. But the government can't be the bad guy right now or you face Oranginum's Dementia Wrath.
I kinda get it though...it's not like these armed forces are producing the movie themselves.
The studio wants to make a movie about/involving these entities. They want it to be as realistic as possible and the entity itself has the authority to give them access that it could also deny.
If you're in charge of, say, the Marines PR department, you're constantly trying to make the Corps look good and boost recruitment. If you can do this for next to nothing against your budget by granting access to a studio making a film that will give you essentially free PR, that's a great move. The bigger the movies potential, the more the entity in question is motivated to support it.
On the other hand, if the film is going to make your organization look bad, no PR person with a functioning brain is going to help that project in any way.
Idunno, I feel like these organizations do enough actually bad things, that I don't feel the urge to crucify them for cultivating image and working to generate positive PR.
The studio wants to make a movie about/involving these entities.
Studios want cheap special effects budgets and the MIC wants cheap labor. So you get what amounts to a promotional video for branches of the service, paid for out of the operating budgets of these agencies.
Idunno, I feel like these organizations do enough actually bad things, that I don’t feel the urge to crucify them for cultivating image and working to generate positive PR.
I think a big part of the "doing bad things" process is facilitated by whitewashing our activities in Kandahar or Fallujah with "We're just cool dudes fighting big monsters" action movie propaganda. Is Transformers as egregious as Rambo II or American Sniper? Not strictly. But its geared towards a younger audience, so it can't do the same kind of blood-drenched jingoism in that way.
I would consider gulling 12-year-olds into aspiring to become conscript killers for the oil & gas industry overseas pretty fucking bad, though.
Double Woof.
But yes, a lot of this just comes down to who will pay to finance the film. If Raytheon or the US Marines is willing to pick up a big chunk of the production costs, you're going to keep seeing them in the producer credits and "Special Thanks To" sections.
If you compre both events beyong the absolute surface you might find the difference:
The soviets kept them under lock and key, extracted their knowledge and then got rid of them.
The US gave them high paying jobs, citizenship, honored their work after they passed, and amnesty for their crimes.
Every public communication is propaganda, that is the point being made (which you missed). The difference between good or bad propaganda are the goals.
For example: Propaganda for higher wages and polical participation? Good.
Propaganda for wage depression and chauvinism of any kind? Bad.
Which brings us to your post: Most soviet propaganda indeed was of the good kind. While most american propaganda indeed is of the bad one.
a literal propaganda video from a terrorist group that’s literally murdering people and justifying why they are murdering people and be cool with that.
Literally any MCU movie.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recupera…
Some former means of countercultural expression that have been identified by critics as recuperated (at least in part) are: punk music and fashion like mohawk hairdos, ripped jeans, and bondage accessories like dog collars; tattoos; street art and participatory art.
(You know, like Paul Ryan liking Rage Against the Machine.)
Because Capitalism is built to sell anything, even ideas.
Do you remember Reddit's Random Acts of Pizza from around 2010-2012 or so?
abcnews.go.com/US/random-acts-… (This story is from June 2011)
It was a really sweet forum where people were buying hungry folks in need a pizza. Something simple and comforting for people struggling.
Within a year of a handful of news articles about the subreddit, and Mars Candy had copyrighted the phrase "Random Acts of Chocolate" and pushed an ad campaign about "buying an extra for a friend" as a "random act of chocolate."
cspdailynews.com/snacks-candy/… (This is from September 2011)
thismomneedswine.com/2011/03/f… (A blog post from March 2011 about free coupons for chocolate)
Part of how they recuperate things is through mechanisms like copyright and trademarks, these laws are built protect businesses but bind individuals. Random Acts of Pizza is just a subreddit but Random Acts of Chocolate is copyrighted, trademarked, and owned by Mars, Inc. Meaning in some ways I am barred from using the phrase "Random Acts of Chocolate" since they own it.
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I almost forgot my favorite example: Naomi Klein's book "This Changes Everything." The thesis is that if we don't dump capitalistic modes of production we'll all fall to climate change. However, she still relied on traditional capitalist publishers to get her book published and sold. She didn't put her money where her mouth was and release it online for free for everyone, to show she was willing to dump capitalism to spread her message, since it was that important. Nope, still gotta use capitalism to critique capitalism, I guess. She also will speak at your university for a cool $100k. I think she believes in her thesis less than she says she does.
I mean, I've definitely seen Cap used to represent the Ugly American in comics, especially during that period post-9/11.
He's definitely not fully anti-fascist coded, because he represents the US, and the US while ostensibly being democratic, is in many ways deeply fascist and always has been. Hitler was inspired by our Jim Crow laws.
There's some smart people who understand that America never actually stood for any of that stuff and they write Cap to be the same.
It's far from my only understanding of it, it's just the first thing that comes to mind for what might make him averse to a list of "others" being created
He probably would have also seen what happened with the US's registry of Japanese people, which didn't go great for them either
I think you're confusing the avengers with the x men storylines.
In civil war, Cap refused to have an accountability program for the avengers because he had the hots for Bucky.
Propaganda does not inherently mean something is wrong. Capitan America was created as propaganda to encourage the US to join WWII.
Captain America's creation as an explicitly anti-Nazi figure was a deliberately political undertaking: Simon and Kirby were stridently opposed to the actions of Nazi Germany and supporters of U.S. intervention in World War II, with Simon conceiving of the character specifically in response to the American non-interventionism movement.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captai…
More recently, the character has certainly been used as propaganda for American nationalism in meme culture
What are you talking about man? Of course all Super Hero stories are propaganda, but Nazi propaganda??? Do you even know what that word means?
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That sounds like Nazi propaganda to you? I don't care if you want to shit all over corporate media, I'd probably even agree with you, but this take just isn't it
Yes. That sounds exactly like nazi propaganda.
Do you even know what that word means?
So fucking sick of people who do exactly zero reading on a topic spouting off with 'common sense' and think their incredulity is the same thing as having a single thought knocking around your head.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fasci…
Like it's so fucking hard to imagine that "Super Humans" which exactly translates to German as "Ubermench" could have nazi ideology baked in to the very foundation.
Where exactly does a Captain America comic argue for creating more super soldiers?
What the fuck are you even talking about. Completely incoherent.
You think the characters backstory overrules everything he says or does?
You posted a speech and asked if it sounded like nazi propaganda. Now you want me to care about your cartoon lore? Are you here to have an adult conversation or do you want to play with dolls?
You said I’ve done “zero reading” but you didn’t even respond to the comic panel I posted
Read the fucking link I gave you and you'll find the response you asked for. Why do you think I bothered linking it to you? Do you need everything spoonfed? It's like a page and a half. Fucking Christ.
Did you even read your own link?
"Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith
I posted an exact panel from the source material showing you the character standing against one of the principles of fascism, and you still called it Nazi propaganda? Maybe you should start using your brain instead of calling everything you don't like Nazi propaganda.
If you actually read it instead of just looking for a facile 'own' to mine from it, you'd have noticed a lot of the points were contradictory to each other and that there are two or three points that directly apply to super hero comics and that speech in particular.
Guy in a thread where the topic is poptarts: "You just say everything you don't like is poptarts!"
I believe media like super hero comics can be used to examine difficult topics like facism. That does not make the entire medium Nazi propaganda. For example Capitan America's backstory is clearly an allegory for America hiring German scientists after the war.
Guy in a thread where the topic is poptarts: “You just say everything you don’t like is poptarts!”
I am specifically arguing that the character Captian America is not inherently fascist. You keep asserting he is without providing any examples. All while throwing in ridiculous strawman arguments.
If you believe all super hero comics are inherently fascist, I'm not sure this is a productive conversation.
I honestly hope you're fucking with me.
"Captain America is a perfect example of comics not being fascist propaganda because his story is about that time we sheltered nazi war criminals"
If you believe all super hero comics are inherently fascist, I’m not sure this is a productive conversation.
You're an idiot that dismisses things offhand and shuts your brain down. No shit this isn't a productive conversation. Super hero comics are the distilled essence of great man theory. So now you have received your shutdown signal.
So fucking sick of people who do exactly zero reading on a topic spouting off with ‘common sense’ and think their incredulity is the same thing as having a single thought knocking around your head.
So fucking sick of people reading a book and suddenly thinking they're right about everything. Have you considered the book you're reading may be incorrect, or that there's more involved with superheros than "Buff white guy = Nazi," especially with a character that was created specifically to oppose fascism?
So just the fact that a character is super strong automatically makes him a Nazi?
Booster Gold is a buff white superhero. Is he a Nazi? Such bullshit.
or that there’s more involved with superheros than “Buff white guy = Nazi
You as a person are exactly as fucking stupid as this strawman
What a relief to find out the person replying to every comment of mine is a fucking moron that can't even follow a few simple sentences in a forum comment while shitting on the idea of reading books.
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Except in real life you actually said this stupid shit:
Like it’s so fucking hard to imagine that “Super Humans” which exactly translates to German as “Ubermench” could have nazi ideology baked in to the very foundation.
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read in my entire life and shows you know absolutely nothing about the subject. The concept of a "superhero" predates National Socialism, concept of a Nazi superman, and even the creation of fascism as an ideology itself, and in fact has roots in myths and folklore.
But you wouldn't know that because you're too busy being sniffing your own farts. Here's some advice, try reading a comic book before you talk about them, maybe then you won't look so stupid.
If people are quoting tv as facts in the court room that's a different level of anti science that I'm not prepared to accept.
How dumb can a society be that people with college degree and doing something for a living can't sort out fact from fiction? And I'm not talking one lawyer, I'm talking both sides of the bench AND judge.
Sometimes the "realism" critique is certainly pedantic and unproductive, but other times what's really meant is contradiction. Situations should make sense within the fictional world. And in the fictional world of DC, norms around politics and economics are portrayed to be analogous to western neoliberalism with capitalism assumed and unquestioned. So with the Wayne family being a relatively well-regarded billionaire family like the Gates or the Buffets, there is still the issue that it is clear under the current system and that portrayed in DC universe that such wealth cannot be accumulated and sustained without massive exploitation of working class people somewhere along the line. So billionaire + "good guy" starts to become more of a glaring contradiction even in DC. But sure, we can explain it away as fiction with magically ethical capitalists. The interesting thing about the billionaire Wayne discussion though, is when people apply this fictional view of capitalism to how they interpret the real world. And now we're back to propaganda.
What I would say that sets West Wing and B99 apart is sometimes there's a tonal difference or way in which certain themes are handled/portrayed that signals to the viewer that the writers acknowledge this isn't what real life is like but we hope one day we can get there. And it's a spectrum right. Some do this to varying degrees, other more propagandistic media do not.
Legally it's totally okay, actually.
I know this is all very unpopular opinion here on Lemmy, but it's fact.
Wolf Warrior 2 (2017)
Hi, Mom (2021)
Fallen angels by Wong kar wai
Literal propaganda movies?
Ahahaha fucking hell and youse say the westerns are brainwashed.
At least it’s a one-dimensional analysis of reality.
This is a non thought. Meaningless drivel.
Fiction or non-fiction
TIL cops are the same thing as jews in the holocaust because their departments have a payroll
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The character has been consistently anti-facist over the years.
What was he doing during the Cold War?
still gotta use capitalism to critique capitalism
I think there's an argument to be made that this is the best way to get the message out. A book with a publisher and a famous author gets a lot more attention than a PDF on the internet by someone less notable. And the notoriety of authors -- for worse -- is tied to your book deal, the media hits your publisher helps attract, and being an in-demand speaker. The theses of any prominent book is readily available in interviews, articles, etc. anyway.
It'd be better if she donated much of her earnings to a worthwhile cause, but for all I know she does.
I mean, he kills Nazis.
I assumed that was the point of think tanks.
They are all paid. So tend to exist to further corporate interests. Such interests rarely align with society as a whole.
It is basically paying smart people, to lobby the voters, as well as politicians.
US cartoonist quits Washington Post over Trump, Bezos sketch – DW – 01/04/2025
US cartoonist quits Washington Post over Trump, Bezos sketch
Illustrator Ann Telnaes has accused the Washington Post of censoring a cartoon in which she took aim at billionaire tech and media executives and their relationships with President-elect Donald Trump.Matt Ford (Deutsche Welle)
Germany defunds 2 Israeli human rights groups
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/29428215
The German government has quietly cut funding for Zochrot and New Profile, following an earlier defunding of Palestinian NGOs. Some observers fear the move will shrink space for those critical of the Israeli government.Archived version: web.archive.org/web/2025010512…
SpinScore: spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%…
DoD denies US military building a new 'base' in Syria
DoD denies US military building a new 'base' in Syria
But if reports are accurate, something is going on and it has nothing to do with ISISKelley Beaucar Vlahos (Responsible Statecraft)
British journalist could face years in prison for refusing to hand over his passwords to the police
British journalist could face years in prison for refusing to hand over his passwords to the police
Richard Medhurst is the first reporter arrested and under investigation under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The UK police have sought to obtain the passwords to his phones, including a highly secure phone with a Graphene operating system.Stefania Maurizi (Il Fatto Quotidiano)
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