The Supreme Court’s late-night rebuke to Trump is extraordinary in more ways than one
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First, it acted with startling speed—so quickly, in fact, that it published the order before Alito could finish writing his dissent; he was forced to note only that a “statement” would “follow.”
Relatedly, awkward phrasing in court’s order may imply that Alito—who first received the plaintiffs’ request—failed to refer it to the full court, as is custom, compelling the other justices to rip the case away from him.
Second, it is plain as day that the Supreme Court simply did not trust the Trump administration’s claims that it would not deport migrants over the weekend without due process.
Finally, and perhaps most obviously, it’s critical that only Thomas and Alito noted their dissents. When the court takes emergency action, justices don’t have to note their votes, but they usually do; we can probably assume that this order was 7–2. That would mean that Chief Justice John Roberts—along Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—joined this rebuke to the Trump administration.
The Supreme Court’s Late-Night Rebuke to Trump Is Extraordinary in More Ways Than One
The court didn't even wait to let Alito file his dissent.Mark Joseph Stern (Slate)
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Three Hegseth aides ousted in leak investigation decry 'baseless attacks'
Three Hegseth aides ousted in leak investigation decry 'baseless attacks'
Three former senior advisers to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth are decrying what they called “baseless attacks” after each was escorted from the Pentagon in an expanding probe on information leaks.Tara Copp (AP News)
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What a neat combination of ambition, evil and incompetence
And alcoholism
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I live in New York City, and there are so many stories about how stupid Trump is.
When he built his Tower, the building he had to raze was considered on of the most beautiful examples of Deco on 5th Ave. His architect told him to preserve as much of the building as he could, but Trump overruled him. When people asked him to save some of the art work, he promised he would, then destroyed it. Later, he lied about everything.
He had a golden opportunity to get in good with the Manhattan elites, and threw it away because he was too dumb to listen to anyone.
He was a joke. I remember telling a good friend of mine that he was running for President. She's extremely political and she pooh-poohed the idea that he'd ever win anything. I watched him roll on and on and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that so many people could vote for the pussy grabber.*
*After the tape came out, a Conservative woman went on 'The View' TV show to defend Donnie. Another panelist kept repeating 'pussy' over and over. Finally the GOP lady had had enough and demanded that the other woman stop using the offensive term.
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Two things. First, we could probably sit down and swap stories and each of us would hear at least one tale that was completely new to them.
Second, if you're a New Yorker you'll love this book. It's about a man who owned a furniture store on 125th Street back in the 1960s through the '70s. He's a hard working man, a loyal husband and a good father. All he wants to do is sell good merchandise at a reasonable price and take home a decent profit. The book is full of colorful characters and loads of great descritions of Harlem and the rest of the city, including Radio Row [which was demolished to make way for the World Trade Center]
There's some criminal activity and a couple of murders, but those aren't the main thing.
Old joke.
"If you don't like Manhattan, come back in fifteen minutes. We'll change it."
Travel warning for journalists entering US
Travel Warning for Journalists Entering US
The CPJ is warning that journalists from countries like Iran, Russia and Venezuela could be barred from entry into the United States.Amir Daftari (Newsweek)
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1 week after opening of World Expo in Osaka, Japan; crowd control remains issue | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
1 week after opening of World Expo in Osaka, Japan; crowd control remains issue
More than 600,000 people have visited the 2025 World Expo in Osaka, Japan during its first week. The organizer has been struggling not to keep visitors waiting in lines for too long.NHK WORLD
AI Made Up a Science Term — Now It’s in 22 Papers
AI Made Up a Science Term — Now It’s in 22 Papers
A mistranslated term and a scanning glitch birthed the bizarre phrase “vegetative electron microscopy”Mihai Andrei (ZME Science)
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So at least 22 papers from the study were AI generated and not checked afterwards.
This says more about ~~the authors~~ the AI users who claim authorship than about AI.
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i am not in any way qualified to say what i'm about to say, so you should probably just stop reading.
awt awt awt awt a tawr tat awt aw ta awrt gawr tgar a
aiuknalrghber,jhmngbae,rkjgaat aawt aaaera r aw aergaaegaebaen,rjhbae,rjgabear aw awr awr aw awert
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At least one major paper did, although it used AI images instead of text.
There was a paper with AI generated diagrams that not only passed peer review somehow, btu was published in a pretty major reputable journal.
You'd have normally expected them to catch it in peer review and decline to publish, especially as they took it down later.
Scientists aghast at bizarre AI rat with huge genitals in peer-reviewed article
It’s unclear how such egregiously bad images made it through peer-review.Beth Mole (Ars Technica)
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I don’t even need to come up with my own BS, when I can just copy some crazy nonsense written by other people. Here’s a sample:
UNDERSTANDING CRYSTAL VIBRATIONAL FREQUENCIESEvery crystal on Earth possesses its own energetic signature, measured in Hertz (Hz) or megahertz (MHz). These frequencies interact with our body’s energy field, creating resonance that can promote healing and balance.
As if sources even matter when traversing this deep in Crazy Town, but there you go anyway.
Gemstone Energy Chart: 10 Crystals and Their Vibrational Frequencies
Explore the energy properties of 10 popular crystals in this detailed chart, emphasizing their unique vibrational frequencies and uses.admin (My Simple Need)
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Energy is a peculiar word, because it’s used by new-age loonies (and scammer), sci-fi authors and even real scientists. However, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a scientist use the longer term “energy field”, but the first groups certainly seem to love it. When scientists speak of fields, they prefer to specify exactly what kind of field it is (e.g. magnetic or electric).
If I ever get to own a (farming) field of my own, I’m going to name it “Energy Field”, just to mess with everyone. Maybe I should set up a solar panel there, so that the name actually made sense.
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Saying "AI is dumb" is like saying "plants taste bad"
You're probably talking about our current Large Language Models.
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It’s semantics, but I think the person above is just pointing out that “AI” is an old umbrella term that refers to a lot of technologies that include previous current and future work, and shouldn’t necessarily be bound forever to one era’s misapprehension and misuse of a particular subset of those technologies.
Prior examples of AI included early work by Alan Turing. Current examples include tools that enable people with disabilities. Future examples might offer solutions to major problems we face as a society. It would be a shame if use of a term as a buzzword was all it took to kill a discipline.
don’t make sense. Kind of like this AI-generated image.
Ancient optoelectronic circuitry from the future?
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There was a comment yesterday that offered a simpler explanation than the headline’s conclusion.
The papers were published by Iranian researchers and in Farsi “scanning” (روبشی) and “vegetative” (رويشی) differ only by one character (ب and یـ) which also happen to be adjacent on the keyboard.
That is, there’s some evidence that this is a typo or mistranslation that has been reused among non-native speakers, as opposed to a hallucination. If so, it could still be a LM replicating the error, but I’ve definitely seen humans do the exact same thing, especially when there’s a strong language barrier.
Edit: brevity
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That’s an apt example from English, especially given the visual similarity of the error.
It’s the kind of error we would expect AI to be especially resilient against, since the phrase “corner cube” probably appears many times in the training dataset.
Likewise scanning electron microscopes are common instruments in many schools and commercial labs, so an AI writing tool is likely to infer a correction needed given the close similarity.
Transcription errors by human authors, however, have been dutifully copied into future works since we began writing stuff down.
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Pope Ghosts JD Vance at Vatican, Sends Top Cardinal to Lecture VP on Compassion
Pope Ghosts JD Vance at Vatican, Sends Top Cardinal to Lecture VP on Compassion
Vice President JD Vance flew to Rome hoping to meet with Pope Francis. Instead, the Pope skipped the meeting entirely—and sent his top cardinal to deliver a pointed message about compassion and care for the vulnerable.Staff Writer (The Daily Boulder)
Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don't know what they're talking about?
I'll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It's not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer's country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.
You'd be surprised
The Catholic Church actually accepts the reality of evolution and has its own telescope called Lucifer.
They also recently updated their stance on "gender ideology" to no longer be critical of transpeople, citing genuine medical need for transition.
Yeah there is plenty to hate about Catholics too (hey, pedophilia) --
-- But when it comes to like. Accepting reality and modernity? They are head, shoulders, and pectorals above the average Evangelical Church.
I'll never understand why people shit on him for fictional things when there's plenty of real things to shit on him for.
I honestly think it helps him/MAGA, because it teaches them, their supporters, and impressionable others that people make stuff up about him to criticize, so they can safely ignore criticism of him.
Because the only things that actual bother him are being called a fucking loser and weirdo. The actually shitty things he does, he would do a million times and feel nothing.
And what you say can't be true, or the millions of lies he told would matter more.
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So far everyone I've seen making this accusation are one word replacement away from looking like an unhinged 4Chan rant about (((Them))).
Antisemitic folks like to make heavy usage of euphemisms to mask antisemitic topics behind socially acceptable language. 4Chan uses 'anti-globalism' as the euphemism for Jews.
Similar to how the ML instance uses 'anti-imperialist' talking points to push pro-Russian imperialism and anti-Ukraine talking points.
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That kind of power is not in the regular pope's hands.
And sadly I was unaware he was visiting.
There's plenty factual stuff to use that far right people hate though:
- Being in the military with zero people skills means he was an ineffectual leader and a desk driving paper pusher
- He wears eyeliner
- He grew a beard to hide his weak chin
- He's a white nationalist with a minority wife who looks like she's at gunpoint every time she's on camera
Again, inventing a lie to attack him with will just galvanize his supporters. Use what's already true and very conflicting with far right ideology.
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Oh, for sure. It's not an area that I'm an expert in, but your conversation got me curious because I had heard both things, so I read a few articles. One of the interesting things is that the bit about Hitler's envoy wasn't broadly known until 2020 when the Vatican released a whole mess of documents that had been kept hidden previously. So there's maybe more reason for some people to have one impression based on what they grew up hearing, and others to have a different one based on more recent info, but even with the new info it seems nuanced.
It's easy to fault anyone who didn't take a clear stand against Hitler from this vantage point, but it must have been hard to be a world leader facing the possibility that Hitler would be successful and you'd have to deal with his empire. Pius XII supported the allies and it's obvious he was against Hitler, but he was reluctant to be overtly vocal about it, and he even entertained the envoy, which maybe he saw as hedging his bets (we can't know exactly what he was thinking). It's for sure stained his legacy.
Dude all but endorsed Trump, called Harris a baby killer. Fuck him and his nonsense organization.
Of course popes have a wonderful history of supporting authoritarian monsters.
bbc.com/news/articles/crkdmdg7…
I think he called both of them terrible.
Pope Francis urges Catholics to pick 'lesser evil' between Trump and Harris
Pontiff calls candidates "against life", criticising Trump on immigration and Harris on abortion.Ana Faguy (BBC News)
The attack point has to be something that both sides of the political spectrum finds repulsive. If only right wingers have a problem it makes the lefties look like hypocrites, and if it's something only people on the left care about it's ineffective.
Eyeliner and weak chins/beards aren't things people on the left tend to take issue with, while white nationalism and misogyny aren't things people on the right take issue with.
The military thing could work, but it's not punchy enough, it's too specific and not very funny. The couch fucker jokes are easy laughs.
Pope Ghosts JD Vance
This is a very unfortunate title.
Pope meets with JD Vance.
Says the Trump admin's immigration policy is a grave sin.
Refuses to elaborate.
Dies.
Based Holiness.
The "refuses to elaborate" is simple, Mathew 25 31-46.
It quite clearly says that you are to welcome the immigrant, feed the poor, care for the sick, and visit the prisoners.
Failure to do any of that is a straight shot to hell, no matter how much you claim to love god, you actually have to do the work, or it's off to hell.
Fun fact, Mathew 25 is the only place in the bible that references sending ordinary people to hell. All that fire and brimstone, it's actually in that one passage. Nowhere else does hell show up for normal people, just fallen angles and shit.
I cant imagine hearing the the Pope died
And knowing that one of the last things he did alive was tell me Im being an asshole
But not even directly. Instead I didnt even get to meet him and he just sent someone to tell me.
Pope ghosts
Well, that certainly aged. Like milk or wine, I'm not sure.
Enjoy your cargo cult.
Just doing a particular song and dance convinced it's surely going to work any minute now, ignoring any evidence.
100 years to solve an integral
100 years to solve an integral - Lior Sinai
The integral of sec(x) is well known to any beginners calculus student. Yet this integral was once a major outstanding maths problem. It was first introduced...liorsinai.github.io
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MAGA goes into full meltdown mode over SCOTUS ruling on deportations
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The MAGA cinematic universe has gone into full meltdown after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s latest deportation push.
The ruling halted deportations that rely on the Alien Enemies Act—in a stunning 7-2 decision. “The Supreme Court would rather actively participate in America’s ruination,” wrote DHS liaison Paul Ingrassia.
“We live in a society where foreign alien terrorists have unlimited free legal representation,” Stephen Miller posted.
Tom Fitton suggested Trump suspend habeas corpus to “reverse the Biden invasion.” “Who will compensate the American people for the lasting damage?” Rep. Mary Miller asked.
MAGA Goes Into Full Meltdown Over SCOTUS Ruling on Deportations
“Infested with a parasitical ideology”: Trump allies declare war on the justice system after a surprise 7-2 rebuff.Jack Revell (The Daily Beast)
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Including but not limited to restrictions on asbestos.
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Did a Russian Asbestos Company Put Trump's Face on Their Product?
A Russian asbestos company placed a seal with the face of President Donald Trump on their product with the note "Approved by Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States."Alex Kasprak (Snopes.com)
The decision has cast the country’s entire legal system as Thanos in the eyes of Trump officials and associated mouthpieces—against whom they have assembled to avenge this perceived national betrayal.
For most people, having the entire legal system as your opponent might give you pause, and an "are we the bad guys?" moment. Not so for Trump cultists.
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We all agree that the system is corrupt and ineffective. Republicans subvert that truth in order to undermine the law and cut government programs. In other words, while Dems are complaining about overreach of presidential power, Reps take that same energy towards SCOTUS.
I myself am on the far left so this is not an endorsement, but rather an observation on their clever tactics.
I don't think the judicial system has been very judicious since it's become so politicized. With so many right leaning justices and straight up corruption in the courts I don't respect their opinions anymore.
Perhaps it would be different for someone right leaning, but it's my understanding that average people on the right distrust most government by default. The Republican mind and the libertarian mind are often similar.
All that to say I don't think this is a valid trigger for introspection, and in fact I don't think there is a single thing besides brown jesus christ himself coming down and rapturing their opposition that would cause even a second of pause.
“We live in a society where foreign alien terrorists have unlimited free legal representation,” Stephen Miller posted.
Yes, that's exactly the point.
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I believe I saw someone say on Tumblr that if you enjoy having rights then you should advocate the strongest for criminals enjoying rights as well, because otherwise, the Government can always just take your rights away by labelling you a criminal.
Or, as has been trendy lately, a Salvadoran gang member.
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Yes, Thats what I've been saying.
You only have as many rights as an accused criminal does.
and if we can remove due process from someone who is accused of being a criminal, and sent them to a central american torture prison with no judge, jury, hearing, or anything... Then anyone can be sent to a central american torture prison, because all it will take is a baseless accusation to strip you of all your supposedly inalienable rights.
What a cruel and stupid little man.
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This is so funny too because I grew up in a time where the police would tell you to not lock your car door if someone was breaking your windows out regularly. No one ever got prosecuted for that shit.
I commented on the wrong post my bad this was to op 😭
Considering how many people they arrest and claim to be terrorists that's a good thing.
Break a window on a Tesla? Terrorist!
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Buy a Chicago Bulls hat at a thrift store and have brown skin?
Well, you all know the drill by now.
MAGA supporter shooting at a school:
tHouGhtsS aNd PrAyErS.
Dem boycotted a Tesla:
MAGA says, “DOMESTIC TERRORISM!”
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A public defender who's overworked and probably not even that ~~good~~ effective at his job. You must have a weak case to be concerned about a free lawyer.
Edit: Calling public defenders "not good" is a bit low but they are overworked and under-supported, therefore I rephrased to say they're ineffective.
not even that good at his job
There's no need to shit on public defenders to make your point.
Woah, so criminals have the right to fair representation, a fair trial, and in some cases a court of ones peers? :0
Naurr, who cares about constitutionally protected rights like due process when you're a dictator. Those freedoms just get in the way of ~~turning America into a christofascist dystopia~~ making America great again
“We live in a society where foreign alien terrorists have unlimited free legal representation,” Stephen Miller posted.
From the US Constitution:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Trump, Miller, and the rest of he administration loathe the Constitution and the very foundations of the American ideal.
They seek to destroy all of it and replace it with a far right oligarchical dictatorship. They want an unchecked executive where the primary qualification of its officers is loyalty to the leader. Where due process is merely a suggestion and doesn't apply to whomever they decide. Where money spent on research, food safety, education, government oversight, and public welfare is corruption and fraud, but money spent on private enterprise that enriches the executive officers is not. And, unfortunately, they've seen more success in that than I would have thought possible, particularly in such a brief time.
So when are republicans changing the plaque on the Statue of Liberty to say
“Get out you tired, you poor,You huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to El Salvador,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
because the current one is way to woke and liberal?
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i'vv said it before, i'll say it again, and i'll say it until it happehs: DONALD TRUMP MUST DIE, AND I COMMEND ALL THOSE WHO FACILITATE IT.
edit- i clearly don't have any plans to travel south
As an American citizen, I've honestly never understood exactly why the piece of shit wasn't given the only punishment (that I know of, anyway) befitting a traitor a long way back... I mean, my personal feelings on the matter are that if you - in any capacity, really, though particularly that of someone in a leadership position- attempt to incite, encourage, or otherwise amplify an insurrectionist mob, then that makes YOU an INSURRECTIONIST. Full stop.
Which also makes you guilty of treason. (Full stop, again.)
So... Why, again, was this not dealt with as it should've been? Whaf a fucking joke
you started a great question, but then you got distracted.
i think that the BIG part that's missing from the american eqution is actual fucking americans. y'all have been sat in your couches for so long that you don't think you can actually stand for anything any more.
edit - you know, it's a pretty small world here. you can reply instead of just downvoting me.
Please lecture us about American history some more.
Letting rich white people get away with treason is quite literally a tradition here.
Even then, Trump isn't the root problem.
I agree with everything you've said (for whatever that's worth, being from outside the US) - but the primary issue is the 30%+ of folk who are voting for this arsehole, along with the 30%+ of folk who didn't care enough to vote against it.
Following that logic, it doesn't matter whether it's Trump, Hitler, Musk, Orban, Putin or whatever going for the post - it doesn't even matter whether they're constitutionally permitted to stand for office, if there's an overwhelming number of folk who don't give a fuck and vote that way anyway, then there's your bigger problem.
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“We live in a society where foreign alien terrorists have unlimited free legal representation,” Stephen Miller posted.
Did I stutter, bitch?
I have also changed my view of him as one of the best actors!
Same, this series made me a huge fan of Giamatti, and I try to watch everything he's in now. He's so good.
SCOTUS doesn't know that the Cab'net and me
Circumvent the Constitution when we want to
They tell them they'll comply, but they really don't
Still they're on their knees, and SCOTUS doesn't know!
SCOTUS doesn't know!
SCOTUS doesn't know!
SCOTUS doesn't know!
SCOTUS doesn't know!
So don't tell SCOTUS!
Yeah it feels like that's getting glossed over but that's a really fucking big deal.
For those unaware, habeas corpus (from Medieval Latin, lit. 'you should have the body', basically 'bring us this guy') is a legal procedure that exists in basically every legitimate government anywhere, not just American, which effectively states that if you've been wrongly imprisoned then your lawyer can call to have you moved from prison to a courtroom to determine whether your detainment is lawful. Basically saying you can't just be thrown in a dungeon to be forgotten about because someone can force the court to retrieve you and give you a court date. I'm not a legal expert so read it for yourself to get a good understanding.
At any rate, someone recommending suspending habeas corpus is never up to any good, it is always 100% bad without exception, always. Even saying those three words together should be instant political suicide and should be grounds for disbarment. Successfully suspending habeas corpus with your rubber stamp and signature should be subject to execution. Any judge who accepts that it is suspended is unfit for their position.
“We live in a society where foreign alien terrorists have unlimited free legal representation,” Stephen Miller posted.
Which society is this, and how can I travel to it?
New Zealand? It's called the "Citizen's Advice Bureau" but it's free for anyone. Doesn't go as far as full representation, but it's something.
Also our conservative government tried to defund it. Fuckers.
Citizens Advice Bureau
We help people to understand their rights and obligations, and give people the support they need to take action.www.cab.org.nz
Being able to remember is so surreal these days. I remember when Republicans attacked my country and tried to kill elected leaders. I remember when the domestic terrorists were taken in like sons and daughters. I remember CPAC declaring "We are all domestic terrorists."
And now they're saying terrorists don't deserve due process.
Some of these guys are very, very dangerous and will push us towards civil war before they give up power.
Remember that violence is what they want so they have an excuse to crack down and use martial law, etc.
The Courts must uphold the rule of law despite these threats. This is (supposed to be) America. We are not free unless everyone has due process.
Despair in Gaza as Israeli aid blockade creates crisis ‘unmatched in severity’
Bethan McKernan in Jerusalem
Sat 19 Apr 2025 12.54 EDT
"...Israel appears confident that it can maintain the siege with little international pushback.
It is also moving ahead with large-scale seizures of #Palestinian land for security buffer zones, and plans to shift control of aid delivery to the army and private contractors, exacerbating fears in #Gaza that #Israel intends to maintain boots on the ground in the territory long-term and permanently displace its residents."
Despair in Gaza as Israeli aid blockade creates crisis ‘unmatched in severity’
Palestinians pushed into new misery as supplies of food, fuel and medicine run out in seven-week siegeBethan McKernan (The Guardian)
Despair in Gaza as Israeli aid blockade creates crisis ‘unmatched in severity’
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/28876360
Bethan McKernan in Jerusalem
Sat 19 Apr 2025 12.54 EDT"...Israel appears confident that it can maintain the siege with little international pushback.
It is also moving ahead with large-scale seizures of #Palestinian land for security buffer zones, and plans to shift control of aid delivery to the army and private contractors, exacerbating fears in #Gaza that #Israel intends to maintain boots on the ground in the territory long-term and permanently displace its residents."
Despair in Gaza as Israeli aid blockade creates crisis ‘unmatched in severity’
Bethan McKernan in Jerusalem
Sat 19 Apr 2025 12.54 EDT"...Israel appears confident that it can maintain the siege with little international pushback.
It is also moving ahead with large-scale seizures of #Palestinian land for security buffer zones, and plans to shift control of aid delivery to the army and private contractors, exacerbating fears in #Gaza that #Israel intends to maintain boots on the ground in the territory long-term and permanently displace its residents."
Despair in Gaza as Israeli aid blockade creates crisis ‘unmatched in severity’
Palestinians pushed into new misery as supplies of food, fuel and medicine run out in seven-week siegeBethan McKernan (The Guardian)
Trump official declaring ‘anyone who preaches hate for America’ will be deported worries users: ‘They just skip the First Amendment’
Top Trump official Stephen Miller's recent declaration that anyone who "preaches hate for America" will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.
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Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
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The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump's platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller's is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
Trump Official Declaring 'Anyone Who Preaches Hate for America' Will Be Deported Worries Users: 'They Just Skip the First Amendment'
Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller's pledge to deport those who "preach hate for America" has sparked fears of free speech violations.M.B. Mack (Latin Times)
Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
Oh good, you're finally awake. Let's get you caught up on the last six months.
For us, yes. For Republicans, no. In Trump's first term:
He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)
He appointed a record number of federal judges (260, most of which come from the Federalist Society)
He reversed a CFPB rule that made it easier to file class action lawsuits against banks for fucking us over
He oversaw more federal executions of prisoners than any president in 120 years
He cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%, the lowest rate since 1939
He pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and our spot was filled by China
There is so much more that he got done which set the stage for what is happening now. For example, he tried to pass about two thirds of the Heritage Foundation's 'Mandate for Leadership' policies in his first term, which is what inspired them to write 'Project 2025', another iteration of the Mandate on steroids.
The fact that Trump lost the election in 2020 is a total fluke, and it took a global pandemic that killed over a million Americans to make him lose.
His first term was far from a shit show in terms of making the current shit show possible.
"He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)"
Fucking, what!?
As we all know, a person defines themselves through their actions. So does a country.
Imho, saying Trump(ism) isn't America is like people who do evil, but still think they are good people. Admitting you have a problem is the first step in getting better. You need to hate what America has become. Shifting the blame to the current administration just lets people feel good about themselves. They shouldn't. There is work to do.
The second step is meeting up with others in your community already working to fix it.
As a Canadian, I'm not going to distinguish between those who supported trump and those who didn't care enough to stop him
So you're a racist idiot then?
Yes, bigoted dipshit.
Assuming all Americans support their government and treating them poorly because of it is being a bigoted dipshit, simple as
And the dissenting comments to that opinion all read almost exactly like how MAGAts talk, it's funny and gross how much like them you are
Nobody said all Americans support their government you reading comprehension challenged moron, we said your government reflects your people. Since so many voted for him and still support him and since you lived in a DEMOCRACY your government represented your PEOPLE (that's literally what the word DEMOCRACY stands for); there is clearly something wrong with your people's fkin culture. Just like there was something wrong with German culture in the 1940s (DUH) and pointing it out and having unfavourable views of the current American culture and people is NOT bigotry. You live in a dictatorship and there's way too many people going with it to say it isn't supported on a wide scale. Wake the fk up. My husband is literally American and he understands this concept that people outside the US will see Americans a certain way, because so many are letting it happen. What is wrong with you?
Edit: That user has a history of getting their comments removed by mods AND telling others that they are "dumb" or lack reading comprehension when THEY are the ones misrepresenting what is being said (hence they get downvoted to hell when they do it). Talk about projection. What a joke. Blocked and forgotten.
Detained Turkish student must be transferred from Louisiana for hearing, judge rules
from #AssociatedPress #AP #APNews
via #TheGuardian
Fri 18 Apr 2025 18.40 EDT
"A federal judge on Friday ordered that a #Turkish #TuftsUniversity student detained by immigration authorities in Louisiana be brought to #Vermont by 1 May for a hearing over what her lawyers say was apparent retaliation for an op-ed piece she co-wrote in the student newspaper."
Detained Turkish student must be transferred from Louisiana for hearing, judge rules
Rümeysa Öztürk was taken by immigration officials over what her lawyers say was apparent retaliation for op-edGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Detained Turkish student must be transferred from Louisiana for hearing, judge rules
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/28875419
from #AssociatedPress #AP #APNews
via #TheGuardian
Fri 18 Apr 2025 18.40 EDT"A federal judge on Friday ordered that a #Turkish #TuftsUniversity student detained by immigration authorities in Louisiana be brought to #Vermont by 1 May for a hearing over what her lawyers say was apparent retaliation for an op-ed piece she co-wrote in the student newspaper."
Detained Turkish student must be transferred from Louisiana for hearing, judge rules
from #AssociatedPress #AP #APNews
via #TheGuardian
Fri 18 Apr 2025 18.40 EDT"A federal judge on Friday ordered that a #Turkish #TuftsUniversity student detained by immigration authorities in Louisiana be brought to #Vermont by 1 May for a hearing over what her lawyers say was apparent retaliation for an op-ed piece she co-wrote in the student newspaper."
Detained Turkish student must be transferred from Louisiana for hearing, judge rules
Rümeysa Öztürk was taken by immigration officials over what her lawyers say was apparent retaliation for op-edGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Peertube recommendation algo update part 2
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/28461880
so I spent last several days making collecting watch time on both videos and livestreams more robust and work across multiple peertube instances, im sure it still has gaps in the structure so that jenk data can get in.if you want to try it heres the link github.com/solidheron/peertube…
btw its a browser extensionso now I got two parts left that I know of first being creating the user_recomendation_vector and the function that gets recommendation based on that vector. I settle on cosine similarity vector since its easy to implement and can be run in browser with only data collected by the user device, and doesnt requires sharing outside of peertube api. user_recomendation_vector should have two part AOLR: (algorithm of last resort) which will be the words in the title, tags, and description tokenized with an float value and recomended_standard: which will be based on what category either programs or people decide a video belongs to along with an associated float value to make it a vector.
I do have issues with deciding if engagement is important, if short video should have multiplier if they're completed, how much is a like worth, how important is it to get an end of the video.
I should add that I have made complimentary video_description_vector thats store in browser all vector dimentions are 1.
GitHub - solidheron/peertube_recomendation_algorythm: currently just a browser extension that monitors your the peertube videos your watch and stores them locally
currently just a browser extension that monitors your the peertube videos your watch and stores them locally - solidheron/peertube_recomendation_algorythmGitHub
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I've been developing for brave so it will work for chrome and it should work for firefox. for brave its easy you put the github files into a folder, put brave browser into development mode, and then manage your extensions by adding the folder, you press f12 to get the console and look at the variables in extension storage.
if you get it to load properly you should see 🔄 Starting fetch for template: dalek.zone/api/v1/videos?sort=…
in devTools on brave
Hussam Abu Safiya's 'inhumane conditions' in Israeli detention worsening
By Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 15:22 BST
""As rights advocates and lawyers, we are ashamed to even talk about the levels of torture happening," she said, citing stomping on faces, humiliation and forced consumption of sewage water as some of the lighter treatment Palestinians face.
"Their honour is stepped on every day, every minute. Their mistreatment is incredibly horrible.""
Hussam Abu Safiya's 'inhumane conditions' in Israeli detention worsening
Hussam Abu Safiya and other Palestinian prisoners in Israeli-run detention centres are facing increasingly "inhumane conditions" and torture, according to his lawyer.Mera Aladam (Middle East Eye)
Hussam Abu Safiya's 'inhumane conditions' in Israeli detention worsening
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/28875206
By Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 15:22 BST""As rights advocates and lawyers, we are ashamed to even talk about the levels of torture happening," she said, citing stomping on faces, humiliation and forced consumption of sewage water as some of the lighter treatment Palestinians face.
"Their honour is stepped on every day, every minute. Their mistreatment is incredibly horrible.""
Hussam Abu Safiya's 'inhumane conditions' in Israeli detention worsening
By Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 15:22 BST""As rights advocates and lawyers, we are ashamed to even talk about the levels of torture happening," she said, citing stomping on faces, humiliation and forced consumption of sewage water as some of the lighter treatment Palestinians face.
"Their honour is stepped on every day, every minute. Their mistreatment is incredibly horrible.""
Hussam Abu Safiya's 'inhumane conditions' in Israeli detention worsening
Hussam Abu Safiya and other Palestinian prisoners in Israeli-run detention centres are facing increasingly "inhumane conditions" and torture, according to his lawyer.Mera Aladam (Middle East Eye)
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Gaza mourns beloved photojournalist Fatima Hassouna killed by Israel
By Ahmed Dremly in Gaza City, occupied Palestine and Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 11:35 BST
[article contains much detail about #Hassouna's life, tragically cut short by #Israeli strike]
Gaza mourns beloved photojournalist Fatima Hassouna killed by Israel
Treasured and admired, photojournalist Fatima Hassouna was known by many in Gaza for her creativity, talent and most recently her documentation of Israel's war on Gaza.Ahmed Dremly (Middle East Eye)
Gaza mourns beloved photojournalist Fatima Hassouna killed by Israel
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/28874997
By Ahmed Dremly in Gaza City, occupied Palestine and Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 11:35 BST[article contains much detail about #Hassouna's life, tragically cut short by #Israeli strike]
Gaza mourns beloved photojournalist Fatima Hassouna killed by Israel
By Ahmed Dremly in Gaza City, occupied Palestine and Mera Aladam
Published date: 18 April 2025 11:35 BST[article contains much detail about #Hassouna's life, tragically cut short by #Israeli strike]
Gaza mourns beloved photojournalist Fatima Hassouna killed by Israel
Treasured and admired, photojournalist Fatima Hassouna was known by many in Gaza for her creativity, talent and most recently her documentation of Israel's war on Gaza.Ahmed Dremly (Middle East Eye)
Pope sends deputy to lecture Vance on compassion at Vatican
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Pope Francis skipped the Vatican’s official meeting with J.D. Vance Saturday, instead having his No. 2 give the vice president a lecture on compassion, according to a Vatican statement.
The statement said there was “an exchange of opinions on the international situation… with particular attention to migrants, refugees, and prisoners.”
Pope Francis has repeatedly rebuked the president’s mass deportation effort, calling it a “disgrace” and a “grave sin.”
The Pope corrected a Catholic concept Vance had invoked to defend the administration’s deportations, ordo amoris (order of love). In a February letter, Francis pointedly explained, “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”
Pope Sends Deputy to Lecture Vance on Compassion at Vatican
Vance had an “an exchange of opinions” with Cardinal Pietro Parolin that touched on migration, the Vatican said.Liam Archacki (The Daily Beast)
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Religion is a joke.
The idea that jd Vance respects religion is laughable.
He treats religion like anyone else. Discards when convenient.
Uses it as a club to punish people HE doesn’t like.
The pope should do something drastic like order his totally existing “devout” catholic folllowers to rise up against fascism.
Because that’s what Catholics did in ww2 right?
And Catholics listen to the pope right?
It’s not all lip service as an excuse to persecute minorities right?
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"The Nazis may be bad, but at least they are not Communists"
The Vatican's top brass during WWII
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The Pope corrected a Catholic concept Vance had invoked to defend the administration’s deportations, ordo amoris (order of love). In a February letter, Francis pointedly explained, “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”
Papal infallibility, baby-faced couch fucker.
In a February letter, Francis pointedly explained, “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”
Since when? Looking at history, that seems exactly what it’s always been about.
James Donald Bowman is a human cockroach and the pope should excommunicate his ass.
And i will deadname him in every thread I come across
'Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher
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Social media influencers are fuelling a rise in misogyny and sexism in the UK's classrooms, according to teachers.
More than 5,800 teachers were polled... and nearly three in five (59%) said they believe social media use has contributed to a deterioration in pupils' behaviour.
One teacher said she'd had 10-year-old boys "refuse to speak to [her]...because [she is] a woman". Another said "the Andrew Tate phenomena had a huge impact on how [pupils] interacted with females and males they did not see as 'masculine'".
"There is an urgent need for concerted action... to safeguard all children and young people from the dangerous influence of far-right populists and extremists."
'Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher
Online influencers such as Andrew Tate are fuelling an increase in sexism in the classroom, says a new survey from education union the NASUWT. It comes after the Netflix series Adolescence thrust concerns around incel culture into the spotlight.Sky News
Ironically jokes about the internet raising children is very old. There was a comic strip in Mad Magazine from the late 90s that had a boy go ask his mom 'mom, if God made everything, who made God?' She replies to go ask his dad, and when he does his dad replies, ' go ask the internet!'
It is still funny, but given the incredible amount of disinformation out there it just is a really bad idea.
Why do you think handing out massive numbers of "F"s will change these kids' behavior?
That might work when there's only a few kids screwing up and there's social pressure on them to change for the better, but right now the social pressure is going in the opposite direction because of people like Tate. The boys will just say they're getting "F"s because teachers/women/"liberal educators"/whoever just hate boys and masculinity, and people like Tate will validate their views there.
I get that the idea of flunking these kids to "teach them a lesson and show them how wrong they are" might provide a nice, satisfying dopamine hit to you in the moment, but all it's going to do is make the problem worse.
Well, yes. Thats the whole idea of grades.
Not trying to talk shit, but I believe you misunderstand how grades like that work on a larger scale.
If a teacher flunks one or two kids, that means there's a problem with those one or two kids.
If a teacher flunks every kid in the school, that means there's a problem with the teacher and/or the school.
Make sense?
Yes, because they think "I'm too old I don't understand that anyways.". That's what my grandmother says when she needs her PC fixed, "I'm too old I don't have to know that." - well, guess what, if you call me every week for a problem that you could've fixed yourself by googling 3 minutes, it's probably not a bad idea to learn it.
Parents are responsible for their kids, and they should be learning what their child is doing and understanding it so they can intervene if shit goes south.
Dunno when you were 10 or 13, but I will assume it’s not true.
It was in late 00's, and in Poland if that's relevant.
Stuff like “Boys don’t cry, you’re not a girl are you?” were very common in the 80s and 90s. It wasn’t as bad as today, but the foundations were already in place.
Sure, but that's not really some hardcore misogynist shit, like what is happening today.
I don't know what you're talking about.
"Their peers are going to laugh at them"? "Unfair"?
These are your excuses to not teach accountability?
Not only are you wrong in that these are not my child's viewpoints or reality, you sound pretty young yourself.
All of his peers need to worry about being a responsible adults, regardless of future incomes.
I don't care what the other children are doing, I only care what my child is doing.
Would you jump off a bridge (to your death) if all your friends were? Thats fair right? Lol
Thanks for the laugh
You don't actually need to talk to the teacher to pass a class in most cases.
I don't think the kids doing this are doing well in school anyways, but it is possible to never say a word and still get an A from your schoolwork.
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Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.
That is quite a worrying statistic: 41% of young men endorsing a human-trafficking misogynist rapist.
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Yes, because when this happens to "normal people" it is never publicized as much as when it happens to a celebrity. It's kind of by-definition.
But I am not disagreeing with you. I just don't know enough about andrew tate and this whole situation to have a good opinion here.
Calm down. I never excused anything.
I just said what would happen to highlight what a difficult task it is.
It was just the "goal" aesthetic I was trying to meet as a young woman. So many of my classmates developed an eating disorder or just started using drugs because the "strung out supermodel" look was what everybody wanted.
Its just a precursor carrying the same message kids are gettimg today. That you're worthless if you don't look the right way, and you should hurt yourself to look the right way.
As I said, it wasn't as bad as today, but it was there. It has just evolved because society has evolved - young men are now actively being shamed for literally just being a man. I've been working with school kids and many boys aged ~14 were close to crying when telling how they are treated, and you know shit hits the fan if a boy in puberty is close to crying lol. Hell, even I have experienced some of that. Now, I grew up online and am way too sociopathic to give a shit about anyones opinion, but young men (usually) aren't like that.
Many en in the west are constantly shit on by large parts of society (unless they literally flagellating themselves) because patriarchy and supposed benefits we all have, so - quite obviously in my opinion - they are turning to pro-men "influencers" like tate because between all his misogynistic shit, he's telling them what they want to hear. That's a major point why the dems lost in america - they kept shitting on men, which is why trump has received major support FROM young men.
And now, feel free to shit on me for stating the facts - I know many lemmy-people don't like to hear that actually, not all men are shitty people and hit and rape women daily.
I should be saying that to you. You're comment implied that it's better for assholes to not interact with women. The only way to reduce misogyny is to encourage more interaction with women.
I'm not saying everyone should bang everyone else, I'm just saying your attitude towards these idiots is also idiotic.
Good, grbage humans won’t pass on their genes
Edit: Keeping this here so you don't edit your original comment:
What do you mean? Garbage humans pass their genes on all the time.
In many cases, they have an easier time passing on their genes.
Facebook was tame.
It's twitter, reddit, instagram, and tiktok that really set people off. They just weren't prepared to handle the forces at play when you let people communicate with no accountability.
Glad I grew up realizing that most people on the internet are just losers who can't function in the real world so they use the digital space as a crutch.
Really makes it easier to deal with the hysteria, apathy, narcissism, insecurity, and cognitive dissonance I see from many users.
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If their dads are so shitty, how come they got to have kids?
Who keeps having sex with these awful men and enabling their toxicity?
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… the future is now.
Reactive response to just ban your kids from using technology at all, which is a pretty good way to get them alienated from their peers and also not prevent anything at all since their peers will probably also be fully willing to expose them to whatever they get exposed to.
It's awesome to see every generation become boomers over time, really cool.
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You sound like the alpha male people. We're not wolves. We are capable of complex conversation, and we can behave properly out of respect for others and not out of fear.
Maybe children would be less receptive to tate-like figures if it didn't seem like the whole world wanted them dead.
is like letting them walk NYC alone at night during the 70s.
One can get smart doing such—at times very quickly.
They can listen to Tate all they want, provided they get straight As.
(or maybe 1 hour of Tate for every 3 hours of feminists such as Gloria Steinem)
Honestly, at this point, I'm on board with just banning social media algorithms entirely. No more personalized feeds. You can have a website that publishes whatever you want, but you can't tailor individual feeds to individual people. People can replace their "feed" with what the original internet was meant to be - visiting a series of websites. Want to read nothing but right wing blogs? Fine. You can spend all day navigating to different URLs for them. But no more spoon feeding individually personalized content to people.
It turns out that method of content delivery is just a very dangerous and damaging technology that really fucks with the workings of the human mind. If you tell AI to build an ideal feed model for a person, it builds a nightmare that traps human beings in skinner boxes.
We can ban these algorithms. We don't have to continue to tolerate their existence. And in the grand scheme of history, it would be no different than a thousand other things that we discovered, at first thought was a panacea, but eventually decided the benefits weren't worth the costs. Asbestos is a fantastic fireproof insulator, but we willingly let those benefits go in lieu of its severe respiratory effects. DDT is an incredible pest killer and insecticide, but it also was rendering entire species of birds extinct. Targeted, individually tailored social media algorithms create entertainment feeds that can entertain us to such degrees that the kings of old would lament their jesters in comparison. But what these algorithms are doing to us, what they are doing to our society? On political polarization? The effects they are having not just on children, but of people of all ages? We as a society need to recognize that the benefits just aren't worth the costs. We are tearing our civilization apart for the sake of cheap entertainment.
We need to ban targeted social media feeds. We have faced technologies like this before. We have made the choice before to give up the benefits of these things for the sake of the greater good. We've done it before, and we can do it again. It is time we ban targeted social media feeds.
Covid really fucked them in not getting normal socialization at school
Don't worry, they will be bullied throughout their life. Missing a couple years of bullying won't hurt.
There's a lot more to flesh out, but I agree 100% with this basic principle. I'm looking back & idk other than the occasional spanking when I was very little, most physical discipline was administered by my father. Even if I crossed my mother.
It reinforced traditional gender roles, and frankly I think it subconsciously implies....a solidarity & mutual respect between the partners in a marriage. My father stood up for, and backed, my mother. They parented mostly gently, but also firmly, in lockstep. Were they perfect? Of course not. But generally speaking I think it worked pretty well.
No, "time outs" aren't the problem.
From what I've seen and experienced, Western liberal educators spent a ton of time focusing on the success of women and girls - which was necessary, I'm not trying to vilify women's equality here - but unfortunately, the pendulum swung from "girls don't need an education because they'll just be homemakers, focus on boys" to "ignore boys, because girls need to catch up" and has been stuck there for a while.
We can't fix a problem that we refuse to acknowledge even exists, and we need to start admitting that we really have been pushing boys and men to the side for years now - Yes, even the white boys whom we also assumed were so "privileged" - and that we're going to have to make some steps to amend that by reaching out to boys and treating them in ways they will respond positively to, if we want to resolve this issue.
The alternative is letting men like Andrew Tate take the wheel and mentor these boys as he sees fit, which is obviously a terrible idea.
nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d2…
TLDR: men are twice as likely to get a stem degree. Which is down from 30 years ago which was 5x
I have no confidence you'll read those stats so I'll just leave them here for anyone else to see just how confused you are. There's a minor bump due to an increase in girls in STEM funding. An increase that still does not have parity with the cultural inertia of boys in stem.
Digest of Education Statistics,
The primary purpose of the Digest of Education Statistics is to provide a compilation of statistical information covering the broad field of American education from prekindergarten through graduate school.nces.ed.gov
Why don't you look at all Bachelor Degrees for White Males (seems to be biggest followers of misogynist influencers)
2012-2021 (excluding COVID years as edge cases) :
nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d2…
6% drop in bachelor degrees for white males vs 1% drop for white women (aligning the races makes it more of an apple to apple comparison)
My point is that stupid, discouraged boys are easily influenced by right-wing misogynists. You want fix this, fix the next generation before it's too late.
Digest of Education Statistics,
The primary purpose of the Digest of Education Statistics is to provide a compilation of statistical information covering the broad field of American education from prekindergarten through graduate school.nces.ed.gov
Look at my post history. There's plenty for them to do.
So these centrists?
youtube.com/shorts/fpEjHCW-lLk
And surely you're aware of the "No true Scottsman" logical fallacy?
- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.youtube.com
Firm like will beat the crap out of you for your disobedience? Firm like will treat women like shit?
Firm how, exactly? Because in the tranditii sense, it's never said out loud, but firm always means one of those things
The alt right owns men?
Nah
Currently there are a lot of younger men attracted to that because theybahmmhave so many "role models" there.
The solution isn't that hard, give them positive role models.
I read this and thought something didn't add up. If all Tate ever did was disrespect women and treat them like property, nobody would care about him. Unsurprisingly, the truth is more complicated. See this for example.
The manosphere appeals to its audience because it speaks to the very real lives of young men [. . .] romantic rejection, alienation, economic failure, loneliness, and a dim vision of the future.The major problem lies in its diagnosis of the cause of male disenfranchisement, which fixates on the impacts of feminism. Here it contrasts the growing challenges faced by men with the increasing social, economic and political success experienced by women. This zero-sum claim posits that female empowerment must necessarily equate to male disempowerment, and is evidenced through simplified and pseudoscientific theories of biology and socioeconomics.
If Tate's appeal is not addressed, things will get worse.
The draw of the ‘manosphere’: understanding Andrew Tate’s appeal to lost men
The manosphere may not strictly be centred on misogyny, but in young men’s search for connection, truth, control, and community at a time where all are increasingly uncertain and ill-defined.The Conversation
Hey! Sorry for the delay. I am an infrequent poster at best.
When kids have access to phones, then they want to be on their phones. They rush through their work, don't pay full attention to their instruction, and have no distance from their friends in which to process their lives.
Rushing through their work and doing a shit job in order to get back on their phone sets up power struggles in the classroom with children who become offended if you tell them that their work is insufficient. Since they were not fully paying attention to the lesson, they have to go back and correct mistakes, which they view as 'cutting into their time'.
The biggest behavioral impact is that once phones are in the mix, the conversation in the friend group never stops. Arguments continue, jokes continue, complaints continue, and all of this spirals and escalates on itself. Kids get stuck into online arguments with people they then see at lunch. So, you have kids talking mad shit online, creating this culture of anxiety and fear that keeps the students on edge. Grudges continue on for years. Literal years, over stuff that would have been forgotten in a week if it wasn't constantly recycled in the friend group for content.
Finally, kids who are removed from their phones freak out. That constant conversation that they know is happening is now inaccessible to them, and they know how they talk about each other. Now they have to worry about not knowing who has beef with who, what is being said about them, and not understanding the latest ridiculous meme or joke.
So, in answer to the specific behaviors that cell phones cause, there is no direct answer. Rather, take a school, give bullies access to everyone all the time, amplify every disagreement, argument, or compromising picture or piece of information, add in a constant distraction to the task at hand, which reduces reflection and growth, keep kids in constant contact with their parents and stymying their independent development, and then ask which behaviors are the result of that. Is it the violence? The disrespect? The apathy toward classroom instruction? The anxiety? The reliance on constant reassurance from either looking something up or receiving real time feedback from their parents and friends? It is tough to say.
What is easy to say, based on a lot of experience, is that when you stamp out cellphone culture, everything improves by every metric. Grades go up, discipline goes down, positive interactions with peers and kindness become the norm, and kids are able to just be kids while they are at school.
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in reply to Thunderbird4 • • •according to Carl Schmitt’s theory, a state in which the sovereign may ignore the law in the name of the public good
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Suddenly the executive order that English is the official language of the United States became a lot more clear in it's purpose.
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in reply to Zarxrax • • •A Tsunami of executive orders... this one passed me by. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Designating English as the Official Language of The United States – The White House
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andros_rex
in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •It’s kinda amazing how this was something people debated for a long time, talked about potential benefits and consequences, tossed around different reasonable ways to mitigate harm that might be done, what the point or use would be..
Then Trump just signs a piece of paper, and it’s barely even newsworthy before we move to the next thing.
MagicShel
in reply to Zarxrax • • •Probably, but that shit isn't even written in English. It's written in lawyer.
Have you noticed that with enough money you can't just commit a crime? Trump could pop in the Epstein video of him on every display in Times Square and the response would be "the alarming possibility that Trump engaged in potentially illegal acts."
The law has become so inscrutable that you literally can't know whether a crime has been committed until you have a jury trial. How is a soldier supposed to disobey illegal orders when he can't possibly know whether orders are legal or not?
I remember I wasn't too long out of the army when the stuff about waterboarding and abu graib came out. I would've refused orders to torture people had I been there. And I'd have probably gone to Leavenworth for years for disobeying orders.
It's time to just burn the whole system down.
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in reply to MagicShel • • •I get what you're saying, but one of our foundational principles (at least until now) was that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. So this notion that "we can't know if a crime has been committed until a jury says so" isn't a bug, it's a feature. Yes, it makes things complicated, but it is designed to minimize the chance that innocent people can be deprived of their liberties just because the government doesn't like them.
cAUzapNEAGLb
in reply to dhork • • •I'd counter part of that is that US law is based on common law, which is defined by prior court cases not just law - vs civil law which is only based on law.
There are issues with both of course, but, its common law that requires lawyers and knowledge of every court case and knowing what a judge in the 1800s thought a word means to win or lose a case.
I think the common law system of justice is deeply flawed and leads to this legalese where everything is vague and malleable with no certainty
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in reply to BassTurd • • •Lynching is pretty standard fare for mob justice in the US. It even happened to white people.
"The Tuskegee Institute has recorded the lynchings of 3,446 Blacks and the lynchings of 1,297 Whites, all of which occurred between 1882 and 1968, with the peak occurring in the 1890s"
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynchi…
extrajudicial killings in the United States by mobs or vigilante groups
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in reply to AngryCommieKender • • •A lynching is visually terrifying, sends a strong message, and gets the job done. That could be our thing.
There were some Nazis that gathered downtown in my city the other day, and they could have been a great choice for alpha testing.
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in reply to whodrankarnoldpalmer • • •Y'know. We are trying. Millions of us. I don't think I have ever blamed an entire people for the actions of one of their criminals.
Sounds like something trump would do.
whodrankarnoldpalmer
in reply to thedruid • • •thedruid
in reply to whodrankarnoldpalmer • • •Really? Say what you want. Tell everyone in plain words, no hemming and hawing. What do you want? You want a mob if millions running around the United states are just hurting people.?
Say it. You won't. You are being insulting, small and trying to make yourself look like a tough guy. You wouldn't have the courage to stand in front of a u. S cop, much less do what your suggesting , tough guy
Let me tell you something you won't believe , but I KNOW.
He will be jailed. It will happen.
Now you can either say what you mean using all the words you're thinly veiling, or have the courage of your convictions.
Me? I'll go back to protecting my family.
AfricanExpansionist
in reply to thedruid • • •Democrats will never allow a president to face consequences for their crimes. I doubt Trump will ever spend a day behind bars.
I hope they prove me wrong!
Rentlar
in reply to AfricanExpansionist • • •Please!!! Prove this fellow wrong!
(Canadian hands clasped tightly)
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in reply to MicroWave • • •"A majority of justices signaled that they no longer trust the administration to comply with the law"
"...the government’s unlawful efforts..."
"...the government lied to a federal judge..."
"...this president will gleefully defy judicial orders..."
It's all topsy-turvy. A.K.A. "coup". And not just any coup, a fascist coup. Who still thinks the comparison to Germany in 1933 is exaggerated? It isn't. But maybe we can still influence where it goes from there.
Also, fuck Alito and Thomas with a rusty pipe.
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in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •Godwin's Law is known to be the oldest meme on the Internet, made by Mike Godwin. The memes meaning is to say: The longer an online conversation continues, The more of a chance there is to mention Hitler.
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in reply to barneypiccolo • • •I think Godwin's law was meant for like arguing about tabs vs spaces, or other low stakes things.
But as discussed elsewhere, conservatives have abysmal literacy and analytical skills, so it's not surprising they wouldn't understand when a comparison is merited.
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in reply to nkat2112 • • •Having the branches of government fight amongst themselves is kinda the idea.
It's when they all fall in line behind one man that you get 1930s Germany.
Would I prefer they fight over how best to improve life for all of us and not how best to oppress people? Sure. But we're talking choosing between lesser evils here.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •They absolutely would have defied the lower court's order and just flown them to El Salvador. Then, when confronted, they could claim some sort of misunderstanding/incompetency. The worst that could be done to them would be to force them to ask El Salvador to return the migrants, to which the government of El Salvador just says "no."
It's better to seek forgiveness than ask for permission.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •cants were in imminent danger of removal, provided
little concrete support for that allegation."
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