Earth will spin faster on July 22 to create 2nd-shortest day in history
Earth will spin faster today to create 2nd-shortest day in history
Our planet has been rotating at its fastest since records began in 1973.Jamie Carter (Space)
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Nobody cares. We all know the FBI did it.
Epstein files.
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Cool, so FBI, right? It seems obvious but an answer would be neat
So the global network of child rapists... Where are we on that?
NASA investigates vision disorder affecting 70% of astronauts
Vision Changes on Space Station - NASA
When astronauts began spending six months and more aboard the International Space Station, they started to notice changes in their vision. For example, manyChristian M. Getteau (NASA)
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I feel like a lot of people are going to take that as some sort of anti-space program sentiment, which may or may not be your point.
But for those people, I think it's worth considering that we don't know what all of those environmental challenges are until we go to space and find out.
One way or another, earth will become uninhabitable, whether by our own hand thanks to climate change nuclear war, etc. or by some natural phenomenon that we are powerless to prevent- gamma ray burst, asteroid impact, the sun dying out
In all likelihood, we won't have to worry about those natural disasters for hundreds, thousands, millions, or even billions of years, but we don't actually know that for sure. For all we know, we could just be days away from destruction by some ridiculously powerful space-bullshit that we don't even know to be worried about yet.
We aren't always going about space exploration in the right ways or for the right reasons, but every tiny step we take does inch us closer to a better understanding of what's all out there in the universe, what dangers it presents to us, and how we can avoid or counteract those dangers.
If we hadn't been sending astronauts into space for the better part of the last century, we wouldn't know that it might cause these kinds of vision problems, and so we wouldn't know to work on a solution for that to have it ready for when it's really needed. Sure would suck to have all of our other ducks in a row to set up a sustaining Mars colony or whatever, only to find out when we got there that 70% of our colonists can't see right due to the trip there. Now we know, and we can work on a solution, whether it's bioengineering, or special contact lenses, or whatever may be needed.
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I'm just venting about the people (who I've talked to irl) who hype space so hard they disregard how important it is to look back towards our mother planet before we set our dreams on the next.
I hear what you're saying. To be fair though, it's never too soon to start thinking about the future. And from my perspective, the future in space looks very bright indeed.
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I think the problem I have is with the word "first". If we do that, we'll all be miserable for the next several millennia, and then we all die. If we try to make earth work "first", it will never actually be time to focus on space.
We can do them both at the same time, and that time is now.
Also, what about interplanetary habitation wouldn't be possible? You just create an earth-like environment in space. Yes, that's a monumental task, but it's also a fairly straightforward task. If you can build a park or seed a forest on earth, you can do the same on a large spinning habitat in space.
In some ways doing it at a smaller scale is really more complicated. When you can simply recreate a whole biome, that certainly makes things simple. But when you need to pack everything necessary for sustainable living into a small station, that's quite complicated and results in a delicate ecosystem with a lot of failure conditions which could end in total ecological collapse. But again, to master those techniques, we need to start doing it.
What if the core problem is elbow room. What if what we really need is room to expand, "space" if you will.
And why does it have to be about solving problems? Why can't it be expanding into space for the opportunity it represents. Space habitats aren't for escaping earth, that's not the point. It's more like expanding earth, until earth is more of an idea than a single place.
space is not currently habitable
I disagree completely. There are many problems associated with living in low gravity or freefall, but I don't advocate living like that. Rotating habitats are not that hard.
That's before we get into the bevy of other problems in medical, manufacturing, and energy
Medical problems there may still be, it's true. But I would argue that for every challenge we face in manufacturing, we'll see just as many advantages. And energy is a completely different story, energy is just easier in space than on earth. Certainly for space around Erath, Mars, or anything closer to the sun, solar is the obvious choice. It's cheap, steady and runs 24/7 with no weather or nights.
It doesn't mean don't do it, it means have your priorities straight
I would argue that having our priorities straight would mean providing NASA with 20x their current annual budget. We could easily account for that cost but adjusting our spending on tax breaks for the wealthy and new military programs. As it is, we're mostly ignoring space rather than investing in it.
Don't get me wrong, earth is great, biologically it's perfect for us. But societally, it's limiting, and we'll never achieve more if we don't actually reach for it.
"I disagree completely" with a statement that's never been disproven in the entire existence of our species?... This is literally an article about long term astronauts suffering a serious medical complication, and that's not even a lifetime up there. You think we could have a baby and raise it in orbit? You understand the radiation shielding isn't perfect? You understand there are unexplained medical complications in bone density, muscle density, and heart function for returning astronauts? You understand that new bacterial and microbial colonies have manifested in the iss and we don't know anything about the long-term effects that will have?
"Energy is easier in space"
Alright, here you're just brazenly wrong. Energy is so so much more difficult in space due to the vacuum. Managing thermal effects is exponentially more difficult, and it's not as easy as just "slap some solar panels up" are you even familiar with the failure rate of solar panels due to space debris? Even the smallest of micro debris can pick up significant momentum with no atmospheric drag and slight gravitational acceleration.
The budget is one thing we agree on. We spend vastly more than that on yachts so it's not even an issue. I don't believe you have any idea how difficult space really is though, and I encourage you to study it further because it's not the escape you hope it will be. Not in our lifetimes. Not without a miracle.
Yes I disagree... Your argument was:
Space is uninhabitable
Which is a weird stance, as humans have been living in space continually for the last 25 years... (With zero gaps btw). But the word "uninhabitable" implies more, it suggests that it can't be done. But I think it's clear that this is a limitation of funding and priorities. If we wanted to build larger habitats in space, we could, we have the know-how.
And again... While this appears to be an article about serious complications to living in space, it's almost certainly about serious complications to living in zero G. If that sounds like a minor distinction, know that it really isn't. Because all that stuff you mentioned, heart issues, bone density, etc, those are all 0G issues. And do I think it's safe to have a baby in orbit, in 1G? Yeah, I think it is.
Radiation and shielding really aren't a huge problem or a huge challenge either, there are clear ways to mitigate the issue. Specifically, you can use your water supply as shielding. Also, the problem scales well with size, as your habitat gets larger, shielding requirements become a lower and lower percentage of the habitat's mass.
it's not as easy as just "slap some solar panels up" are you even familiar with the failure rate of solar panels due to space debris?
Oh so you must know that the original solar arrays installed on the ISS 25 years ago are still running then? We've added additional arrays over the years and recently put in much more efficient rollout arrays to account for increased power usage. Yeah, occasionally debris will knock out individual cells, but that doesn't lead to the whole array going down. So yes solar arrays degrade over time, especially in low earth orbit, but it's not like the original ones have been blasted to bits, they still work 25 years later.
And yeah you need radiators for heat management. This is not an enormous cost or engineering challenge.
Too sum up, there are a few extra considerations for developing radiation resistant panels and providing adequate cooling, but when you figure that out (and we have) it really is as simple as "slapping some solar panels up".
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You see insane engineering challenges as just easy because thousands of very clever engineers have already spent billions and their lifetimes working it out for you
Close, I see engineering challenges as possible and potentially already solved exactly because thousands of very clever engineers have already spent billions and their lifetimes working it out for us. It looks to me like the issue is that you refuse to differentiate between "hard" and "impossible". Obviously space is hard, but there's a lot we have the ability to do right now. All we need is the will to fund it, we already have the experts ready to do it.
your theoretical radiation shielding has not been proven nor is it just as easy as "surround yourself with your water supply".
You act like this is my theory, this is generally considered the plan for interplanetary missions and long term space stations going forward. It's an old idea, I couldn't even tell you when it was first proposed. And as for "unproven", water is the primary material used to shield nuclear reactors, the methodology could not be more proven.
Even the iss you mention is being deorbited in 2027 because it's not long-term sustainable and has developed untraceable leaks.
The ISS is only the second space station NASA has built, space station version 2.0, still sort of a prototype. We built it in the 90s and we've learned an incredible amount in the process, but of course it wasn't going to last forever. But with proper funding it stands to reason that we could build something better today using everything we've learned so far. To say we shouldn't because it's hard... well that's just not how progress is made.
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Nowhere, not once, have I stated we shouldn't.
I mean, there's the post I initially responded to:
It's almost like we should stop destroying this perfect insanely unique and suitable planet we live on until we've reached a level of bioengineering that allows us to artificially adapt to the significant environmental challenges of interplanetary travel...
You're not saying we shouldn't explore space, just that we should wait until we can genetically engineer ourselves to live in that environment. But is that not the same as saying "we should stop for now"? My entire response to that post was simply to say that it wasn't too early to start, and you seem to have taken offense to the sentiment.
So that makes this, what, an attempt at gaslighting? But perhaps I'm deranged, surely that would explain your faulty logic.
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If you equated stop destroying the planet with stopping space development, that's on you. I clarified my stance in a comment below it minutes later.
I take offense to you and people like you thinking space is habitable or easy instead of insanely environmentally challenging, unknown, and complex. Seeing it as an escape instead of the immense and violent challenge it is. It's disrespectful to both life and the accomplishments of those before you.
So yes, you are deranged. I've not attempted any gaslighting. You continue to argue with yourself, ignore nuances, and call my logic faulty when it's not. You hand wave immense complexities of shit you **do not understand ** just because you've seemingly read the wiki on it. It's astounding. You even think space is habitable, which it is undebatbly at this time, not, and that's before comparing it to our immeasurably more habitable planet. The frustration I experience reading the shit you post is from this inherent fallacy you've attached yourself to. I even agreed with the immense increase in space funding you asked for, explicitly, and yet you seemingly doubt my alignment to continued scientific development.
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These symptoms became known as Space-Associated Neuro-Ocular Syndrome (SANS).
If you stay in a zero G environment for months on end...
Your eyes are gonna have a bad time.
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Maybe "2001 A Space Odyssey" had the right idea ... spinning a whole big station to produce 1G. (Arthur C. Clarke was part of the writing team.)
Discussion here sez it takes a radius of 224m at 2rpm:
space.stackexchange.com/questi…
At this site you can play with the parameters:
artificial-gravity.com/sw/Spin…
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It frustrates me that nobody has attempted construction of a Coriolis station yet. They are so prolific throughout science fiction and theoretical scientific literature, and they have been prolific for ages.
Detractors of Coriolis stations will usually say that the scale required for the optimal 1G is not feasible, but the physics behind the idea are more or less sound.
We have the technology to build one, it’s just a matter of profitability. Nobody wants to burn their trillions on a moonshot.
224m radius from the previous comment equates to 1400m circumference. With a crossbrace of another 900m (assuming an X shape). And a bit of stuff in the middle to affix the solar collector arrays (which must be stationary).
For comparison, the ISS is 109m long.
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I've seen a video (maybe it was Smarter Every Day?) about a research team experimenting with the effects and acclimation potential of small-radius coriolis stations. From what I remember we can get used to the centrifugal force well enough, even though experiencing coriolis forces across the length of your body is certainly an unusual situation.
Profitability is a huge problem regardless though. The ISS is getting destroyed by the end of the decade, and no replacement is seriously planned. The ISS was born in a geopolitical context of unprecedented international cooperation in the '90s, and that era is long gone. Unless China, the EU or US (lmao) wants to finance an ISS replacement all on their lonesome, not much will happen there for the foreseeable future. There's not a whole lot "because we can" budgets going around these days.
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Hmm, mankind's glorious expansion into the Milky Way has been temporarily suspended while we figure out the correct kind of reading glasses we'll need.
We're not going anywhere, and astronauts, at this point, are superfluous. Space is not for us. Send machines. It's mostly a deadly, hostile, radiation-blasted empty hell, what's the appeal?
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Israeli soldiers arrested in Belgium after war crimes complaint by rights groups
Israeli soldiers arrested in Belgium after war crimes complaint by rights groups
Belgian federal police on Sunday arrested two Israeli soldiers facing accusations of war crimes in Gaza following a complaint by two rights groups.Sondos Asem (Middle East Eye)
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After the interviews, they were released
Yes, despite the soldiers posting their crimes against humanity on their own social media like they were proud of it.
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You can tell which ones is ok to genocide if you wait a few decades to see what the winning side wrote into the history books.
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(The "is ok" is sarcasm, the rest is just a fact of humanity tho, we seem to praise ancient as well as recent genocidal spoils victors.)
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There is a difference between what the powers that be allow and what we personally think is okay.
And the person I replied to apparently thinks genocide is okay as long as it hits the right people.
I don't disagree (and I didn't write anything disagreeing with that).
What I added was that we still on average admire nations build on genocide or immoral individuals just because of their wealth and status achieved (& how long lasting & persistent it is).
I never said that a bunch of us don't disagree with genociding anyone. There are always voices like this through the history.
(Tho on that note, not that it's relevant, about the person you replied to - I don't like when ppl use the word 'genocide' for a political party/military group & not something broader, like ethnicity.)
They are technically free to leave the country
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Twee Israëlische militairen op Tomorrowland tegen wie klacht was ingediend, werden verhoord en vrijgelaten | VRT NWS: nieuws
De twee Israëlische militairen tegen wie klacht was ingediend terwijl ze op Tomorrowland waren, werden opgespoord en verhoord. Dat laat het federaal parket weten. "Na afloop mochten ze beschikken", zo laat het parket nog weten.VRT NWS
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I know you can't just detain people arbitrarily in a free country, but it sucks that they're probably just going to flee back to Israel now that they've learned the lesson that they're not untouchable outside of Israel and the US.
Reminder that the IDF has published guidelines for its troops on how to evade getting arrested by an ICC member state while traveling abroad, which is definitely something a very moral and humane military does.
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AOC's campaign office vandalized with red paint in NYC
AOC's campaign office vandalized with red paint in NYC
AOC's campaign office was vandalized with red paint early Monday on Herschell Street in the Bronx, police say.Renee Anderson (CBS New York)
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I mean... it really doesn't take much to get people on the left to turn on each other. It's kind of a historic problem with leftist ideological groups in general - they're awfully quick to declare each other the wrong type of leftist, or not leftist enough, and then refuse to cooperate.
There certainly are outside provocateurs, but I wouldn't leap to that conclusion in every occasion. Hanlon's razor applies.
Al Gore may not have really invented the Internet
Which, to point out, he never actually said. He said "creating" - which is actually accurate, since he pushed the policies that allowed for it to exist. Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn support his stance that he was a primary driver behind its development from a policy perspective. I believe they even said no other politician has been as important to the internet (rough paraphrase, someone else can grab the exact quote) as Gore.
The claim that he said he "invented the internet" came from dirtbag pundits, of course.
Al Gore may not have really invented the Internet, but when he was in politics we haven't figured out how to really weaponize it for political purposes yet. It's not bizarre moon logic, it's active manipulation.
"Genocide" is one of those hot button terms that short-circuit people's critical thinking whenever someone invokes it, that's why provateuers online like tossing it about. ("Pedo" is another one, which has been in the news lately). Turns out getting lasting peace in the region is difficult and can't be reduced to slogans....
Maybe. It's real hard for me not to notice the pattern recognition of "Kamala Harris supports genocide!" "AOC supports genocide!" "Bernie supports genocide!", basically literally any person in American politics who's trying to do some kind of leftist thing with any level of popularity, there's some kind of bizarre moon logic whereby they must support genocide and we've got to start screaming it at them and never support them again.
I will agree with you that some stupid features of the left tend to provide some nice dry powder for this kind of thing but I don't remember this kind of thing happening in American politics any time previous to the social-media-mass-shilling age of political discourse. Like circa 2000, there was a super vigorous protest movement, but it was aimed at shadowy neoliberal quasi-governments, fascist police, war machines... you know, the enemy. No one was out screaming at Al Gore for destroying the climate and throwing red paint at his offices.
My personal opinion she should have voted against funding the genocidal regime of Israel and this is the consequence 🤷
They're committing a genocide. No amount of wishy-washy Behavior about whether or not is real people deserve a right to defense matters anymore when they've systematically slaughtered 200,000 Palestinians and these defensive systems are enabling that Slaughter.
Israel would be much less bold if they didn't have their missile system to protect them from any retaliatory strikes like the strike on Iran.
The bill providing funding for Israel, she voted against. Pretty sure I mentioned that.
So further if your metric for being able to support a vigorously left-wing politician who's been voting against aid for Israel, calling it a genocide, yelling about it on the house floor, and so on and so on, including pushing for justice for working people whose voice is basically nonexistent within the US congress, is that never once do they say one dumb thing on Twitter, then I would wonder who in or out of politics you would be willing to support. This is like the people who are yelling about how Mamdani is a "fake leftist" and as a good leftist they can't support him because he's just a fake for the Democrats and they won't get fooled again...
Okay. I'm upset that people are using this absurdly skewed framing of this whole event and trying to blow it up into the whole of AOC's Israel stance and ignoring the backdrop of her entire vigorous opposition to Israel in both word and deed. Since I'm upset, can I come to your house and throw a bunch of paint over your doors and windows and write slogans about you? I feel like that would be a good way to "remind" you about good principles of political progress and online discourse.
Or is that something we're only doing to prominent successful leftists when we're upset, and that scenario would be a completely different story?
Old and busted: Tying burning tufts of wool to the sparrows and cats and letting them loose in the enemy city to set the whole thing on fire
New hotness: Lighting the electric vehicles on fire and letting them drive through the streets on their programming, and cause mayhem
The other way round, she voted against blocking military aid for the iron dome
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel
US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has come under fire for defending her decision to support a bill which will see more military aid go to Israel's Iron Dome air defence system.MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
They could reduce the money they spent on offensive weapons and operations to buy the iron dome missiles.
This argument only makes sense if Israel could not otherwise afford to defend itself.
See, that's how the propaganda works. She voted against the MTG amendment that stripped a tiny tiny fraction of the funding from Israel. Which was always going to fail, pretty much unanimously, because MTG. And then, when the whole bill (with whole funding for Israel) came to the floor, she voted against it. And also, separate bills which are just for funding Israel in the past
But it's been consistently presented to you with wording that makes it sound like she had a chance to strip all funding from Israel, and she decided not to. Search "horseshit" in this comments section, it's a little complicated, but basically, no she literally didn't vote against what you described.
So she should have voted symbolically for it like the five Democrats who did?
I don't care how much money it takes away from Israel they deserves no money while it's committing a genocide.
I'll just copy and paste.
For the uninitiated: MTG's amendment left intact the funding for offensive weapons, but cut the funding for defensive weapons for Israel. So there is literally no way AOC could win. Leaving aside the fact that it was a kooky MTG amendment that was never going to pass in the first place... If she voted for the amendment, then everyone who is currently screaming that she's a fake leftist who supports genocide could say "See? SHE VOTED FOR KEEPING ISRAEL'S FUNDING INTACT, SHE SUPPORTS GENOCIDE!" Since she voted against it, they are currently screaming "See? SHE VOTED AGAINST DEFUNDING ISRAEL, SHE SUPPORTS GENOCIDE!"
It's just more can't-win, let's-eat-the-leftest-person-because-we're-super-leftist-I-promise horseshit.
Edit: Here's AOC voting against funding for Israel, in bills that were actually non-Hobson's-choice opportunities to vote against aid for Israel:
timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ent…
And her voting against the actual funding bill providing aid to Israel (both offensive and defensive): clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025212
I was going to link to those from my comment above, but I guess my brain malfunctioned before I got to it. I've said the exact same thing on this topic a sufficient number of times that it's like I'm getting that World War 1 disorder where you can't pull a trigger anymore because the weight of doing it over and over is insupportible.
Roll Call 212 Roll Call 212, Bill Number: H. R. 4016, 119th Congress, 1st Session
VOTE QUESTION: On Passage, DESCRIPTION: Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2026, VOTE TYPE: Yea-And-Nay, STATUS: PassedOffice of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives
I don't care what's politically expedient. I don't care what's politically acceptable.
I care about my Representatives standing up for what's morally acceptable.
Continuing to give any sort of funds to a state committing genocide is tangential support of that genocide.
I do not care that AOC has also voted down other Israel funding bills when she has been consistent on funding the Iron Dome.
I do not care about her preconceived notions about how this would leave "Israelis defenseless". Israel is entirely surrounded by US military bases on all sides and is capable of manufacturing the Iron Dome missiles.
Israel would simply need to use the $9 million already allocated to them ( for their genocide) instead of the $500 million of United States taxpayer money so that they can continue to be the most belligerent Empire in the Middle East.
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As you pointed out this vote was never going to win and so was symbolic. This would have been an easy win with her constituents with how unpopular Israel currently is instead she is currently doubling down and accusing people of being fake leftists for criticizing her position.
Unfortunately she seems to have lost the plot
I do not care that AOC has also voted down other Israel funding bills when she has been consistent on funding the Iron Dome.
I feel like you've been infected at this point, and can't really grasp what I'm trying to explain here.
She has not been consistent on funding the Iron Dome. She has been consistent, as far as I know, about trying to defund US aid for Israel in any way she can. This whole thing is a weird and stupid blowing-up of one isolated vote of a stupid amendment proposed by the worst person in congress that was never going to pass, and then a pretty dumb way she chose to explain it.
When has she ever voted, previous to this, to give funding for the Iron Dome? Or did you just make up this "consistency" randomly on the spot because it fit in with the ginned-up stuff you'd already seen about this one particular weird blown-up situation?
Look you would have a point if it weren't for the fact that they were five other Democrats that supported mtg and all of them are pro Palestinian.
Voting for stripping any money away is unequivocally a win when the country is responsible for a genocide.
It's not infectious. I just really really really want my tax dollars to stop funding a genocide.
As far as her voting consistently on the Iron Dome funding I'll go look into her voting record and report back because this is something I heard consistently. It's one of the places where her and Bernie Sanders seem to be weak.
It's one of the places where her and Bernie Sanders seem to be weak.
My guy lol
Okay, sure. Read up. Find the votes and their statements on the floor, I actually think you'll find it pretty interesting.
And reading the comments on Lemmy, it's working.
This is what the left does best. Eat itself.
Hanlon's razor applies
No it doesn't. Why would anyone still put any stock in that bullshit after witnessing the pure malice that has infected every aspect of American society?
Hanlon's razor was never really a great axiom, imo, but now it's completely dead.
How's your research going?
Here's some stuff if you've had trouble finding:
timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ent…
because this is something I heard consistently
I'm sure this is true. I would really, really recommend that you take a hard look at why people you're paying attention to are consistently lying to you, and maybe reevaluate how much you want to keep paying attention to them going forward if all they're trying to do is deceive you into not supporting leftist figures.
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Wow. You're such an asshole. PhilipTheBucket is more then capable of checking my profile and seeing what I have been up too.
Can't handle the smoke in the other thread so your going through my history to warn others from talking to me?
You're the idiot that thinks electoralism is the be all end all and refuses to admit that its not the most important front or not a very important one. This is not just my opinion but is the opinion of most anarchist and marxists.
This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
Wow. You’re such an asshole.This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
Because you are very polite. Notice I never said anything negative of your leftist positions. We are on the same side. I am just asking you to beware that this is important and that your actions on that front have material consequences for many of us. You basically are like the shit libs from the rachet effect meme that keep progress from happening. If you don't vote you are stopping it from happening.
As are you evidentially.
Its funny thats what you chose to screencap because I am clearly being sarcastic.
As far as the rachet effect I see you as the reason the democrats won't veer left since your ilk will always vote them in regardless of their position.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for "Not Hitler" and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer "95% hitler" instead of a "Not Hitler"
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
It's not privilege it's realism.
It's not a privilege to know that no matter how I vote that It ultimately isn't going to affect anything and that things have to be done locally through local organizations to help your community.
It is waste of any time on electoralism other than "go vote"
It’s not privilege it’s realism.
Sorry you can't spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
Is that not what you want? Or do you want people to vote a very specific way and then if you do how much energy should people spend trying to accomplish that? And finally how would this attempt to be any different from any of the other attempts that we've done the last 20 plus years that were not effective
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
And yet you keep commenting to discourage people to do so. Would you call me out if I said no to show up to a meeting on organizing a garden because its not going to feed everyone? You would (and should)
I simply Advocate that people shouldn't waste their time advocating for the Democrats or trying to convince people to vote. There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
As far as your example it's more like a group deciding they want to grow lemons in Colorado to feed the homeless and me doing my best to Advocate they don't do that because it's a literal waste of time.
I simply Advocate that people shouldn’t waste their time advocating for the Democrats
And I am not. I am saying we need to vote for progressives where possible, and harm reduction where our options are more limited.
There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
Do you want to screenshot where I said that this is not important? And you will never have a political group to help you and expand your efforts because you are not building one. And you are making life difficult for your allies by not doing so, what does that say about your support in the fight in the class war?
Tankies are not serious people.
Yes they should vote for the most radical candidate that will bring the most benefit to workers regardless of the party.
You keep saying that electoralism is one of the most important fronts for the class war.
I'd be very happy to go pull it out of a screenshot for you.
I disagree. I think electoralism should be practiced only in so far as we can get something pragmatically out of it. This of course would mean advocating for people like Zohran Mamdani but also be willing to call him out for playing to corporate interests over those of the community. Frankly I'm super excited for him to get elected. It's going to be a wonderful example of the ineffectiveness of electoralism to actually get anything done. And if I'm wrong that's even better because the material conditions actively get better for people.
Currently I don't think we'll get anything out of the Democrats. I don't think they'll roll back any of the Trump changes and it would just be a pause before the next fascist Administration rolls in.
Liberals have no idea where to put in their time and effort when it comes to making changes politically and it shows throughout this entire thread. You know you should at least read the commie books since they have a ton of information on how to properly organize a community and how to utilize their local power including when to use electoralism.
You keep saying that electoralism is one of the most important fronts for the class war.
So what about that statement negates the importance of other fronts?
I think electoralism should be practiced only in so far as we can get something pragmatically out of it.
100% agree and the only way you will is to engage with it and build out the critical mass of progressives; which we have not done.
Liberals have no idea where to put in their time and effort when it comes to making changes politically and it shows throughout this entire thread. You know you should at least read the commie books since they have a ton of information on how to properly organize a community and how to utilize their local power including when to use electoralism.
Says the guy that would rather spend an afternoon buying a jacket to insult fellow allies than to vote to help our causes. Like i said it is just one [important] front in the class war. And again, voting helps minimize the hostility you will get from city hall and state capital; which gives you more room for your local organizing. You might be privileged and unaffected, but your comrades are and you keeps saying you won't do it for them.
I get why you feel the DNC is gross; notice I never said the contrary? Still war is uncomfortable comrade, be a trooper and pull your weight in the fight. Sometimes that means you get to elect a progressive. Sometimes it means harm reduction. PLA had a famous retreat not a grand stand. You need to live to fight another day not surrender because the ideal outcome is not happening tomorrow. We are counting on you and you are letting us down with your rhetoric and behavior.
That was a good play trying to tug on my heartstrings with the PLA except they're not actually a good model to replicate in the Quest for liberation. Nice try though.
It would have been better for you to quote Lenin.
You still can't let the sarcastic comment about a jacket go. Besides I would not waste my time buying a jacket I would make my own. I am a proud communist after all.
Being pragmatic about voting is not the same as investing time into electoralism. Being pragmatic about voting means voting in the working class candidate always regardless of their chance of winning. Or voting in a policy that will help uplift the working class. Thats it.
You should spend literally no more time than that on voting.
You should not waste your time trying to create policies or trying to push them through the parliamentarian process. It is a Fool's errand and a waste of time. Attempting to push policy through that will benefit the working class against the capitalistic interest is basically just a waste of time, money, and energy. The capitalist literally built the system so that it would not work that way and it could not be used against them in that way. Something that Rosa Luxembourg addresses in her book reform or revolution.
If your local organization wants a certain person to win then yes they obviously should spend some time on electoralism. Probably about 10% of their time doing some sort of propaganda for their chosen candidate. The rest of the time they should be doing other much more useful things like collecting donations to feed the hungry in their community, or finding beds and shelters that are open for the homeless folk in their community, or educating the masses on communist Theory so that they gain class consciousness.
These are the things we should be focused on not getting people elected. Thus electoralism is not a major front at all and hardly worth considering when faced with the other monumental tasks that must be done in order to facilitate the rise of a working class party.
Any truly progressive person wouldn’t resort to vandalism in the first place
Do you at all think we're in a civilized and rational world? The best way to prevent your ideology from being harmed by the actions of a few is to not fucking lie or live in delusion. Call it out, reject it. Don't stick your fingers in your ears and say "OUR SIDE WOULD NEVER" or you look the fool.
Okay so yeah you are objectively correct that she did vote down the overall bill that funds Israel in general but let's not forget that she was condemned by Ilhan Omar and DSA for voting no on the MTG Amendment. It's not just people throwing shade at her she is receiving legitimate criticism for not voting away more of Israel's funding. The argument is quite simple As long as Israel commits a genocide they should receive no military funding period regardless of what they would use the assets for.
She is using the proper terminology calling this a genocide. She is heavily critical of Israel and she at least didn't vote Yes on a funding bill in 2021.
So in general she tends to be pretty Pro Palestinian but I think in this particular case on the MTG Amendment this is a loss unequivocally for her and she made a mistake. And she's deepening that mistake by doubling down.
That was a good play trying to tug on my heartstrings with the PLA except they’re not actually a good model to replicate in the Quest for liberation. Nice try though.
My point with it is that they were an underdog group with increasingly limited options, and they believed in what they were doing. They did what they needed to to pull ahead, and it was uncomfortable.
You don't go to war with the army you want, nor the partners you want. You go with what you have and make due. Make of that metaphor what you need for elections and why minimizing harm is important. If you are not willing to soldier on for that; then you are not helping us win the class war. That makes you not very serious. The alt right has upped the ante several times now and you are still not sure about what you really want to do, or if you can spare an evening to vote and help others outside of your state and county.
Like I said. I get why you are unhappy about the lesser evil, but you are leaving many of your fellow socialists and lefties out to hang and be defeated in detail. The NYC elections are exiting, but we need more than just islands of progressivism.
Okay, sure, that part I agree with. She should have voted "yes" on the doomed amendment and maybe gotten into it more afterwards about how even "defensive" funding for Israel is a terrible thing to do at this point. My point was (a) this is being ginned up into the entirety of her Israel position, overriding a ton of pro-Palestinian things she has been consistently doing that are way bigger deals than this, pretty consistently throughout her career, and I think it's being done on purpose by people who are trying to hurt the left (who will wind up hurting Palestinians a lot more than helping them through the effort) (b) saying that her and Bernie are weak on Palestine in general is a sign that you're probably listening to some people who are lying to you on purpose. Those two are among the strongest Palestine supporters in congress, probably second only to people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
So yeah if you want to condemn her vote on this, fine. If you want to spin it up into her being pro-genocide or in any way deserving of her office being vandalized or her being singled out as a genocide supporter, you are helping some people who are lying and hurting the Palestinian cause (as well as lot of domestic left issues). That's my point.
"If you're saying I voted for military funding, you are lying," she wrote. "Drag me for my positions all you want, but lying about them doesn't make you part of the 'left.' If you believe neo-Nazis are welcome and operating in good faith, you can have them."
She did though, right?
Like, the most devils advocate I can be for her vote is that she's arguing that we shouldn't take away their shield, we should take away their spear.
To which... I still don't see the logic. Because if you can block with one hand you're free to stab with the other. If all you have is stabby implements, you got no way to deal with when they stab back.
They'd be forced to be less aggressive, which they seem intent to be.
The best explanation I heard was that any funding at all, even if it's for a "defensive" weapon, is still funding that makes doing their genocide easier.
Another good take I heard is something along the lines of "they have healthcare and we don't, they can fund their fucking iron dome themselves".
Oh I don't think she's a genocide supporter I know she's Pro Palestinian. I just think this was unequivocally a loss for AOC.
I don't agree with the people that smeared paint all over her office but I do understand why they are upset.
So there is literally no way AOC could win
You know some people voted against it, right?
AOC’s vocal opposition to genocide
Actions speak louder than words. She's supposed to be the vanguard of the "new democrats" that are supposedly going to save the party.
here is a solution, make it clear you don't support a genocide ! how is that hard is beyond me. If you are okay with "war crimes" and "using food as a weapon" and "apartheid state" and "illegal occupation" then how people should "trust you".
This like saying "I am okay with giving Hitler weapon to defend German while he is committing a genocide" or "I am okay with giving apartheid South Africa weapons to protect white people while discriminating against black"
If your morality change based on who is affected do not breach morality.
I have pointed out numerous times how this strategy is just a repeat of the same electoral strategy that radical liberals have been engaging in for the better part of 20 years.
This is clearly not a winning strategy. You're not being pragmatic you're being insane because you continue to do the same thing expecting a different result while watching our government inch closer to fascism.
Pragmatically voting for minimizing harm means voting in the most working class candidate possible because that's what we should all do regardless of party and vote for the most Progressive policies to uplift Working Class People. Anything past that is generally a waste of time.
If there's a candidate a particular group is interested in sure they could spend some of their time doing electoral politics but they have additional responsibilities they have to do which are far more important and then spreading the propaganda of whatever candidate they're trying to get voted in.
Like I said before education is incredibly important to help build the working class party and an educated working class would vote for the working class candidate regardless of party.
To your point you don't get to pick who the generals are either. Nor do you get to pick who your comrades are or what the proper strategies are. Sometimes we have to conform to reality which I would argue that you are not.
Hanlon's razor always applies. If you always assume that everything bad that happens is intentionally malicious, with no acceptance of human weaknesses and the potential for mistakes, then you are part of the extremism problem. You are part of the "everyone who does something that I don't like must be evil" group.
Hanlon’s razor was never really a great axiom, imo, but now it’s completely dead.
If you actually believe this, I'm afraid you're on the wrong side of the razor.
We don't need more extremist rhetoric. We don't need more division. We don't need to perpetuate the "us vs. them" mentality.
If you are othering, you are wrong.
Yes, even with Republicans.
We take away the power of divisive, destructive autocrats by finding or making common cause.
Yeah. There's always something to capitalize on.
There are some fucking emergencies going on, among them the literal starvation of everyone in Gaza. Go up to the US Capitol building or your local Brooks Brothers, or fucking wherever, and spray-paint "PEOPLE IN GAZA ARE DYING TONIGHT"? Fuckin' spot on, man, please do. Go and shit on the lefty-est person you can find because you found a tiny chink in her behavior that you can exploit and start bullying her over for the next year and a half? Honestly, man, it really irritates me.
I think the reason they like to do it is because she's vulnerable. If they were protesting the people actually killing Palestinians, or the people taking over our country and cancelling democracy, they might punch back real hard. That's scary, so let's go throw some paint on someone who is in a precarious enough position that she'll have to just take it.
Honestly, fuck 'em. Like I say it irritates me.
That's some crazy shit to try and distract from the Epstein files.
How the fuck do you know if your "ally" is using a weapon defensively or offensively.
Stupid shit.
She's the chosen lightning rod and MTG is the chosen lightning. Everyone ignores her voting record and stares into the flash.
Because it's that easy. Textbook. But it shows that progressives are a threat. And we'll see more of this. Especially at midterms.
Wait, I looked it up and found this amendment introduced by MTG that AOC voted no on. It didn't seem to have to do with the defensive weapons at all.
It was to defund the Israeli Cooperative Programs.
congress.gov/amendment/119th-c…
I googled that program and found the below.
Israeli Cooperative Programs refer to various initiatives and collaborations that involve cooperative efforts between Israel and other countries, organizations, or communities. These programs can span multiple sectors, including agriculture, technology, education, and research. Here are some key aspects:
Agricultural Cooperatives: Israel is known for its advancements in agricultural technology and practices. Cooperative programs often focus on sharing these innovations with other countries, particularly in areas like water management, irrigation, and sustainable farming techniques.
Technology and Innovation: Israel has a robust tech ecosystem, often referred to as "Startup Nation." Cooperative programs may involve partnerships with foreign companies or governments to foster innovation, share technology, and develop new products or services.
Research and Development: Many Israeli universities and research institutions engage in cooperative programs with international partners to conduct joint research projects, share knowledge, and develop new technologies.
Cultural and Educational Exchanges: These programs may also include cultural exchanges, educational partnerships, and initiatives aimed at promoting understanding and collaboration between Israel and other nations.
Economic Cooperation: Israel engages in various economic cooperative agreements that facilitate trade, investment, and economic development with other countries.Overall, Israeli Cooperative Programs aim to leverage Israel's expertise and innovations to foster collaboration and mutual benefit across different sectors and regions.
I'm pretty sure there was a genuine amendment defunding the Iron Dome that MTG introduced. I could be wrong but I saw that in sources that don't just make stuff up.
She proposed a big handful of amendments; maybe Iron Dome is in ICP and they just don't like to publicize it very much, or maybe it was in one of the other amendments.
You make an important distinction, but by voting against the statement AOC is still saying “I don’t like the idea of defunding Israel’s Iron Dome”.
Is that not something to be frustrated with?
We have virtually no progressive politicians in the US. The ones that are progressive inevitably concede to safe and exhausted liberal ideologies, and this further proves that point.
So I’m exposing my ignorance here, but I have a question.
Apart from MTG’s association, how am I to make the distinction between a “real” bill and a “statement “ bill?
I understand what you’re saying, and have been persuaded by your latest comment; I’m just hung up on that “just a statement bill” thing.
E: I guess it’s literally as simple as “MTG is such a joke that her bills will never pass”.
Meanwhile Republicans figured out decades ago that alienating your own party (even the "radicals") doesn't get you elected, and simply protesting the chosen candidate by just not voting doesn't actually help you achieve your goals. It's a hard pill for establishment Democrats and leftists to swallow, but it's truth.
Republicans weren't doing Nazi salutes on stage at presidential inaugurations until recently, but they have been pandering to the far right for a very long time. They've gradually moved further and further right, while the left has been ignoring their own base in order to welcome aboard the fiscal conservatives (and their donations) slowly jumping ship.
Paul Weyrich created the new right movement. He voted Republican for his entire life, but he also seemed to really hate the establishment Republican party. He was quite vocal about it, and as every election year approached, he would start shit talking Republicans for not focusing enough on conservative social issues.
Before Weyrich and the creation of a moral majority, "fiscal conservatives/Rockefeller Republicans," who didn't really care about social issues were the backbone of the Republican party. Abortion was mainly just an issue conservative Catholics and nobody else cared about. Once Weyrich created his movement though, he used public pressure to change the party little by little. It took his whole life, and he didn't actually live to see the absolute batshit fruits of his labor, but without Paul Weyrich, there would be no Donald Trump and no Project 2025.
There would also be way fewer rich conservatives who have pressured the democratic party to embrace a move towards moderate centrism.
1983:Righting Reagan's Revolution
The 1980 presidential election rewarded incompetence, and that incompetence moved right into the White House. If you have to find out who makes the decisions over there, you will go insane. I challenge you to go to the White House and find out. You'll be in St. Elizabeths in short order, and I'll come visit you."He thinks Reagan has ignored issues most important to Weyrich: school prayer, an end to abortion, pornography, government "hand-outs"--issues that appeal to what he calls "cultural" conservatives, grass-rooters most concerned about family, God and country. That concern includes free enterprise, a balanced budget and a pre-eminent weapons system for America
1998: Religious Right, Frustrated, Trying New Tactic on G.O.P.
Early in March, Paul Weyrich, the godfather of social conservatives, summoned about 25 prominent leaders from the religious and political right for a secret meeting in his office here overlooking the rail yards behind Union Station.They fumed that they had been used and abused, like some cheap date. In one election after another, they said, conservative foot soldiers had dutifully worked the phone banks, walked the precincts and turned out masses of voters for Republican candidates who had promised action on issues like abortion, pornography and homosexuality. And the Republicans, they complained, had consistently failed to deliver.
2000: Hard Right Burning for Bush?
Perhaps it was because he was recovering from painful back surgery, but a few weeks before the Republican convention, Paul Weyrich, a founder of the religious right, was awful grumpy about George
He did this kind of shit nonstop until he eventually shaped the right into what it is today. If you didn't know who he was, and you just heard the way he described his frustration towards the Republican party when he first got involved in politics back in the 70s, you might just as easily think you were listening to a leftist complain about Democrat centrists in 2025.
Weyrich hailed as conservative pioneer
“In the early ‘70s, when most conservatives were reduced to wringing their hands and resigning themselves to life in the political wilderness, Paul just seemed to know what was needed to break the liberal stranglehold,” recalled Feulner.
Paul Weyrich: Father of a New Right
Weyrich waved aloft a monograph from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a right-of-center think tank. The study carefully examined both sides of a controversial issue—the federal funding of a supersonic transport plane (the SST). The Senate had just voted 51-46 to halt government support of the SST, which some conservative hawks favored to maintain U.S. technological superiority over the Soviets. The AEI report arrived in Allott’s office after the Senate debate.A puzzled Weyrich contacted William Baroody, Sr., AEI president and a member of his church. “Great study,” he said. “But why didn’t we get it sooner so we could use it in the debate?” Baroody explained: “We didn’t want to try to affect the outcome of the vote.” Unspoken was the admission that AEI didn’t want to be too “political” and jeopardize its tax-exempt status. For one of the few times in his life, Weyrich was speechless.
Paul Weyrich: Father of a New Right
He co-founded the Heritage Foundation, named the Moral Majority—and fought to make conservatism more working class and democratic.Modern Age
Yeah, anything MTG puts forward that isn't already supported by Republicans is likely pointless nuttery (the supported stuff is dangerous nuttery). But more generally, these people all know when a bill is going to be 50/50 and when it's going to get 400 no votes.
That's not to say representatives never should be judged for their votes on doomed bills, but their vote should be in the context of it just being a statement itself, and with MTG writing the amendment, the statement is a muddled mess.
"Everyone who doesn't want the destruction of Israel = Zionist"
Well, by that definition, sure, he's a Zionist. On the other hand, if you say that a Zionist is a ham sandwich, he's not a Zionist. The point is: Words are fun, we can redefine them to make all kinds of great arguments.
Hanlon's razor always applies
No it doesn't. It's a heuristic. More like a "rule of thumb," and it absolutely does not always apply.
britannica.com/topic/Hanlons-r…
It's naive and foolish to try to convince yourself that people just don't ever act in malice. That's absurd.
Hanlon’s razor | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts
Hanlon’s razor is an adage that states to “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.Laura Payne (Encyclopedia Britannica)
Look at the goalposts go lol
"He's not a REAL supporter of Palestine"
"Why does it not count, all these things he did to materially support Palestine, from inside the US government where it can actually make a real material difference in a way that almost no one else on earth is able to do when they care about Palestine?"
"Because he doesn't want to see Israel destroyed. That means it doesn't count."
Fuck outta here
Palestinians Are Collapsing in Gaza's Streets From Israeli-Imposed Starvation Campaign
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33477630
[can't believe that it keeps getting worse, but it does]Abdel Qader Sabbah and Sharif Abdel Kouddous
Jul 21, 2025
Over the past five days alone, more than 550 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, according to ministry of health figures. The confirmed death toll since the beginning of the war crossed 59,000 on Monday in what is widely acknowledged to be a vast undercount. Over the past two months, more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed as they are forced to seek aid in militarized zones in a system mostly overseen by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a shadowy U.S.- and Israeli-backed group.One of the deadliest days for aid seekers came on Sunday, when over 70 people were killed, at least 67 of them in northern Gaza where Israeli troops opened fire on crowds trying to get food from a World Food Program convoy entering through the Zikim crossing.
“The tank came, surrounded us, and started shooting at us and we kept raising our hands,” Ibrahim Hamada, who was wounded in the leg, told Drop Site as he lay on a hospital gurney wincing in pain. “There were many martyrs, no one was able to retrieve them. I crawled on my stomach just to reach a car to take me to the hospital,” he said. “I went there to eat, because there was no food at home.”
Palestinians Are Collapsing in Gaza's Streets From Israeli-Imposed Starvation Campaign
A frontline report on a people forced to face death from starvation or being shot in a perilous quest to obtain meager rationsAbdel Qader Sabbah (Drop Site News)
like this
Oofnik likes this.
i think lots of people do care. i do. but i cannot do anything
it is not as if anything i do or say makes even a small difference in all this. israel is going mad, like a rabid dog, and does not listen to reason or anything else anymore. there is nothing that i can do, and i guess the same goes for most other agencies.
it would still be nice to see big countries like germany say publicly that israel is stupid and should stop though
Only once it's too late.
They'll go straight to "nothing we could have done" or might even have the gall to say "we didn't know"
Never again!? More like always has always will.
You seriously expect a bunch of white Christofascist Zionists to care about brown Muslims?
If the Holocaust taught us a lesson it is clear the Jewish people of Israel didn't get it.
It's worth remembering that no one was fighting Germany to stop the Holocaust. The world would have happily stood by and watched it Germany had stuck to just exterminating its own people without invading Europe.
People do suck, but it's not a new condition by any means.
[can’t believe that it keeps getting worse, but it does]
I was assured by many "uncommitted" lemmykins that this wasn't possible.
There was certainly no course change, which Uncommitted tried to promote as an option. It was an attempt to make a public appeal that genocide should be an issue worth making political decisions around.
The lesson the victors over Uncomitted demand is that genocide is not a political enough issue worth acting or voting on.
Nigel Farage says he would send violent offenders to El Salvador under crime crackdown
Nigel Farage has said violent UK offenders could be jailed overseas under his plans to cut crime by half.The Reform UK leader named El Salvador as a likely destination, though he said he has not held conversations with officials there and "multiple" partners would be considered.
El Salvador is home to a notorious mega-prison, the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT).
Nigel Farage says he would send violent offenders to El Salvador under crime crackdown
The Reform UK leader sets out plans to cut crime by half in the first term of parliament if his party wins the next election.Faye Brown (Sky News)
Canada had a Trump clone run in its last election. He faceplanted because Trump started threatening to annex Canada during the election. Maybe Farage’s endorsement of the worst Trump policies will have a similar effect.
Coincidentally, Canada’s Trump clone also had a punchable face. Maybe being full of shit naturally makes you look constipated and ill-tempered.
Does Farage want another Australia?
Because the last time the British government tried this shit, we got Australia.
A journalist should ask Farage if Trump's arsehole tastes like Putin's knob.
And by Trump's arsehole, I am not referring to J D Vance.
A short excerpt:
“F‑‑‑ him. F‑‑‑ him. F‑‑‑ him and everybody around him,” Hunter Biden said during the interview released Monday, in response to an anecdote about Clooney’s political involvement. “I don’t have to be f‑‑‑ing nice. No. 1, I agree with Quentin Tarantino. … F‑‑‑ing George Clooney is not a f‑‑‑ing actor. He is a f‑‑‑ing, like … I don’t know what he is. He is a brand.”
He seems emotional, perhaps angry. Oh, well
UK, France and 23 other countries say the war in Gaza ‘must end now’
[now let's see if they do something]
By SYLVIA HUI and JILL LAWLESS
Updated 1:05 PM EDT, July 21, 2025
LONDON (AP) — Twenty-five countries including #Britain, #France and a host of #European nations issued a joint statement on Monday that puts more pressure on #Israel, saying the war in #Gaza “must end now” and Israel must comply with international law.The foreign ministers of countries including #Australia, #Canada and #Japan said “the suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths.” They condemned “the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food.”
The statement described as “horrifying” the deaths of over 800 #Palestinians who were seeking aid...
https://apnews.com/article/europe-israel-hamas-war-gaza-e4062cffa9585790061105236a93d8e5/
And I say everyone should get a free donkey.
Words don’t mean shit!!!!!!!! Sick of all the “investigations” and statements. We need action.
Anything less than sanctions and total economic boycott is a stalling tactic aimed at allowing the genocide to finish.
This is no different from if the police show up to a drug house, and one of the residents stands in the doorway opining about how horrible it is that drugs were discovered at their home and how morally bankrupt the illicit drug trade is, in order for their buddy to finish flushing their stash. Except it's even less subtle when countries do it.
My MIL and FIL were just down there visiting family and told me that they've built what are essentially giant walled off communities full of houses and businesses that are essentially their own independent cities where people never need to leave and security doesn't allow any unauthorized individuals inside.
I saw similar things when visiting a resort outside of Playa Del Carmen when we'd hired a local cab driver in Playa to take us around for the day and drop us off at the resort. Security checked us all for our passes but chilled out a little once they saw me (a gringo) in the taxi van with everyone else.
I grew up in rural america in a tourist town. We hated the tourists. Wealthy. Arrogant. Rude. Unaware of local customs. Drove up rent and grocery prices.
But, at the end of the day, we were the only town within an hour radius that wasn't crumbling. All those vacation homes paid property taxes and the school system was great. There were jobs for people.
There are a lot of issues with unregulated tourism and immigration. But it's better to regulate the issues and keep up with fostering good job markets and building government controlled affordable housing instead of try and ban a chunk of your economy. Which, from this limited article, it seems like the government is trying to do.
good argument (/s)
if you want to provide an actual argument, better provide the whole argument, instead of basically just saying "you're wrong lol"
what causes it instead?
I know why you got downvoted, but you are right, it's not about tourists, it's about the USA immigrants (the so called expats), since the goverment made changes to privately benefit from all the airbnb shit, we have people earning in dollars, that pay 0 taxes to México and of course the market tries to squeeze out their dollars, rising prices and changing the environment to appeal to those migrants, leaving out and even kicking out the nationals.
People are right to be angry about it, but they are aiming to the wrong part, this was allowed (and boosted) by the past and present administration (even when they were warned about it) to fill their own pockets even if it meant stepping on their own people.
The people in power allow the rich to become richer on the backs of the poor.
“I’m not the problem!” Says the rich man, “it’s those immigrants, whose money I’m taking, who are the problem. Fight amongst yourselves”
This is how demand works. If the population of an area want a Starbucks, they get a Starbucks. I’ve lived in many areas that were cool until they became “cool,” if you catch my meaning. Prices went up and I had to leave. It’s tempting to blame the people who came in and were willing to spend money. But while trying to find the root cause of the problem, they quickly become… Not the problem.
I’d say few people go into a new area and think, gosh I want to make this different. They went there because they wanted to be there. If a Starbucks pops up, they aren’t exactly upset, but they probably could live without it.
The problem is the people who own these places. Those people aren’t the ones protesting. And if you want to think of it from a purely ownership standpoint, the people protesting have no right to complain what the people who own the land want to do with it.
I have no idea what the solution is beyond rent control and price caps. Those two things will keep costs down regardless of tourism, discouraging landowners from changing the area to suit the demand of tourism.
Additionally, preventing foreign companies from establishing their businesses in the region would preserve the local culture. However, as previously mentioned, it is the individuals who own this land—both in a literal and a political sense—who are facilitating this occurrence.
UK, France and 23 other countries say the war in Gaza ‘must end now’
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33476377
[now let's see if they do something]By SYLVIA HUI and JILL LAWLESS
Updated 1:05 PM EDT, July 21, 2025
LONDON (AP) — Twenty-five countries including #Britain, #France and a host of #European nations issued a joint statement on Monday that puts more pressure on #Israel, saying the war in #Gaza “must end now” and Israel must comply with international law.The foreign ministers of countries including #Australia, #Canada and #Japan said “the suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths.” They condemned “the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food.”
The statement described as “horrifying” the deaths of over 800 #Palestinians who were seeking aid...
UK, France and 23 other countries say the war in Gaza ‘must end now’
[now let's see if they do something]By SYLVIA HUI and JILL LAWLESS
Updated 1:05 PM EDT, July 21, 2025LONDON (AP) — Twenty-five countries including #Britain, #France and a host of #European nations issued a joint statement on Monday that puts more pressure on #Israel, saying the war in #Gaza “must end now” and Israel must comply with international law.The foreign ministers of countries including #Australia, #Canada and #Japan said “the suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths.” They condemned “the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food.”
The statement described as “horrifying” the deaths of over 800 #Palestinians who were seeking aid...
https://apnews.com/article/europe-israel-hamas-war-gaza-e4062cffa9585790061105236a93d8e5/
Forget a year ago, Britain was in court a month ago arguing there was "no evidence of genocide in Gaza" after a challenge on supply of military parts to Israel.
Some of these countries I put a little more stock in, but the UK, like the US, is duplicitous as fuck and fully complicit in this Holocaust.
US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return
US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return
The world is more divided than ever, but there’s still something (nearly) everyone agrees on: The U.S. is unloved.Giovanna Coi (POLITICO)
Playstation AND an N64
Ha, well, these days it's hard to be sure. I see some kind of weird penchant for collecting things like cassettes now, and among a much younger set than I would have ever imagined. I've not priced a N64 or an original PS1 in a while, but it seems like they are old enough now to start becoming collectible?
A great term I've run across recently is "anemoia" - nostalgia for a past you've never even experienced. I think I see some of that in Gen Alpha, anyway. Actually, quite a lot of it...
They love the hit of Dopamine they get. There's lots of ways to do that, but they've socialized themselves to get their fix in response to political outrage.
FoxNews knows this, so they oblige by offering various outrages all day, every day, so MAGA Nazis can stay constantly cranked up.
They're addicts, it's as simple as that.
Politics have been a convenient correlation, but I've been convincing my wife to move further and further north to more climate-change resilient areas
Almost like that poleward range shift is gonna affect humans just like any other animal
We (me much more strongly than my wife) are considering leaving altogether.
One reason I advocated for the twin cities as our "final" stopping point was because the boundary waters are a very porous border and I know i could get my family across with relative speed and low risk
the country first has to act and function in a way that elicits pride!
ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you
It annoys me too, as an American. Particularly one who doesn't believe in the Judeo-Christian god, or any god for that matter.
It's just religious chauvinism.
I think a lot about something I read years ago. It said something like, "Some people love their country the way a child loves a parent. The parent is the smartest and the best and perfect. Some people love their country the way an adult loves a peer. They see the strengths, the potential, but also the weaknesses and problems that need to be addressed."
Conservatives are generally children. Driven largely by emotion with a very simple moral framework. Much like you will likely struggle to explain to a toddler that taking the other kid's toys, screaming constantly, and shitting in the sandbox won't make a lot of friends, explaining politics to a conservative is likely to be an ordeal. They don't care. They have feelings and that is their reality.
It's also kind of funny how conservatives are the ones who typically say "reality doesn't care about your feelings". Everything is projection.
"reality doesn’t care about your feelings"
but science is woke
The qons are very much into performative bullshit that they think is patriotism. They'll cry about how someone kneeling while a song plays and a piece of cloth is displayed at a sportsball game hurts "the troops".
Then they'll proudly vote for a party that treats the men and women of the military like a used Kleenex, and embrace a figure like Taco who called them suckers and losers.
They'll blather about free speech, then cry about Hollywood airing shows they don't like. They'll talk about liberty and The Constitution, but want xtianity to be put on a pedestal.
Xtianity
You know, it's hilarious how the rabid xtians often get up in arms over that on some more "normie" moderated platforms I am on/have been on.
They would repeatedly say I violated the TOS and would try to get comments taken down and/or me banned. They would claim this is "offensive" to xtians.
When this is THEIR abbreviation for Christ, and has been for centuries, FFS. Of course, these are the very same dipshits that get "offended" about things like someone telling them in a secular setting like a shopping mall or big box store or printed on something like a coffee cup: "happy holidays". These people have zero historical context for fucking anything. For decade upon decade, primarily xtians would tell each other "happy holidays" to cover xmas and New Years.
And no one got butthurt about it (except for maybe a few fringe anecdotal crazies that I knew, but these people also believed in crazy shit like Marilyn Manson removed a rib to blow himself, or that the profit from arcade games went to the Satanic church. I wish I was kidding. In other words, people fixated on trivial nonsense and conspiracy theories.).
Then, introduce Faux "News", and they blow up shorthand like "happy holidays" into a "war on xmas". Of course, you have the attendant bullshit to go with it where again, their own abbreviation for Christ, X, being used in places like xmas, xtians, and xtianity drives them fucking crazy and they run around trying to cancel (irony) anyone that uses these abbreviations and short hands. I guess everyone now needs to tell these fucking snowflakes "Merry CHRISTmas and Happy New Years" and really emphasize the CHRIST part of that phrase, instead of just "happy holidays", or else they'll melt into a puddle, the poor dears. Gosh, if ONLY our secular government and our national culture would cater to xtians just a little fucking more....
Trump is a result of American culture, not driving it.
Trump is a representative of America, not an outsider.
Trump happened again secondary to the diseases of hate and greed, not in advance of.
In the US, it's now long past hope - the corruption runs so deep, so broadly that it's taken over, and that means the country is doomed to be somewhere I never wanna live.
I still generally have confidence that the majority of countries’ populations respect general decency, human rights and lack of corruption enough to keep the hate and greed mostly at bay.
And yet fascism is on the rise 'cos dumbass illiterate bigoted motherfuckers exist in the EU too.
yeah, that's why you have christians hellbent on increasing the suffering in the world sothat christ comes back faster
and "suffering builds character" and such
We don't need Freedom of Religion, we need Freedom FROM Religion.
The government is a reflection of the electorate which is a reflection of the culture.
American culture is dogshit. That's why our politics are dogshit.
Turns out most of the world doesn't like felon rapist liars.
'Merica does though.
As a non-American, I can say that amongst the people I know it was the re-election of Trump that really did it. The first time you could write off as an anomaly - he managed to fool enough people at just the right time or something like that, and then you guys got rid of him after a single term. Pretty bad but shit happens.
But then after that he showed everyone exactly who he was for eight years straight and then he got in again. And since then he's really been ramping it up to insane levels of fascist nonsense and nobody's kicked him out or even made a serious run at removing him from power yet. When I talk to people the vibe is very much "What the hell is going on over there?"
TBH I don't know why he wasn't over as soon as the "Grab 'em by the pussy" tape was leaked. I feel like that would have tanked most candidates.
TBH, I lost a fair bit of respect for America when they nearly elected the clearly-none-too-well-informed George W Bush and then pushed him over the line with clearly broken legal shenanigans.
But Trump makes Bush Jr look clever, knowledgeable, statesmanlike and wise. I didn't think that was even possible, but it's not even a narrow thing.
Trump's a complete moron, has the emotional maturity of a toddler, the charm of a slug and the kindness and bonhomie of General Hux.
The media plays a big role but a lot of people choose to only listen to the media outlets that tell them what they want to hear.
There are a lot of things to blame but I think it's time we put some of the blame back on the voters themselves.
It's actually been quite nice here in Canada lately, in the last few years we've been quite politically divided but once Trump started talking about annexing Canada it seemed like everyone I know came together to be like he can fuck right off lol.
Our household is still refusing to buy anything American or go anywhere near the place until (at the very least) Trump is gone and the US can demonstrate that something like this won't happen again.
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Whoopsie, Humans Built So Many Dams That We Shifted the North Pole by 3 Feet
Whoopsie, Humans Built So Many Dams That We Shifted the North Pole by 3 Feet
Our redistribution of mass on the surface has gone a bridge—or a dam—too far.Darren Orf (Popular Mechanics)
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Petition to "release Trump's FULL medical records" grows
Petition to 'Release Trump's FULL Medical Records' Grows
"This man has his finger on the nuclear button," the petitioner wrote, adding that voters needed to know if he was "falling apart."Jordan King (Newsweek)
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The Epstein files however, I'd very much like to see those records.
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I mean both parties have pretty much done it already. Republicans with Reagan snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-r… and democrats with Biden.
To be honest it's pretty obvious they're already doing it with Trump given that he clearly isn't mentally or physically well. The guy can't talk coherently, he's certainly not the person really running things.
FACT CHECK: Did Ronald Reagan Have Alzheimer's Disease While in Office?
Ronald Reagan, who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease five years after he left the presidency, was actually suffering from the disease while he was in office.David Emery (Snopes.com)
Death certificate works too. Sort of a final medical certificate, lol.
No, I'm not calling for violence. He's old, his mind is failing him (tertiary syphilis should really be considered) , and he has a steady diet of garbage topped off with diet coke, plus whatever drugs he can get his hands on.
The man is not long for the world, we'll just see if he croaks before or after his term is up. If before, we get Vance... so not great. If after, we really may get to test the military oath to constitution if he doesn't want to leave his position peacefully. Sadly, Vegas odds are not looking good for the average citizen.
I think God made his position clear in the first term, when the sky turned blood red and rained ashes while a deadly plague ripped through the streets of America.
This one is on us
He’ll never release the records but you will stop talking about Epstein because of all these diversions.
People will stop protesting because they will become used to the SS tactics.
The cult will keep voting for him because well it’s a cult
He cheated and still barely won against the worst campaign like... Ever. It was so weak and tone deaf, the Democrats are now the least popular they've been since the party was founded
He's actually shedding core cult members over the Epstein thing, and we're seeing a huge progressive shift in every election that pops up.
And who's the cult's successor? JD Vance? MTG? Eric Trump? Elon Musk? I don't think there's anyone with the sauce right now, so I think the non-Nazi cult members are not transferrable
But we do now have a cult of gleeful Nazis that need to be handled, but they don't have the numbers, they just have the microphone.
This too will end. It's just a question of when, but it could be as soon as the midterms if we can do a progressive sweep
Nothing above-board, I think.
But it's hard to project a strong man image if people find out humanising vulnerabilities like arthritis or low blood pressure.
It's also evidence he lied again about being "the healthiest president ever" or whatever he said.
I guess some kind of degenerative mental health condition would be grounds for removal.
But yeah I think a lot of people are sick of the "left" playing fair while fascism and theocratic nationalism are becoming more and more powerful (by playing dirty).
Also yes it could just be a big nothing burger to give the appearance of fighting back. Like changing the name of that bill.
more evidence he's a liar
the ability to laugh at him for how not-strong he is relative to what he claims
Why the federal government is making climate data disappear
You can view their disappearance a few ways, experts said — as a flex of executive power, an escalation in the culture war over climate change, or a strategic attempt to erase the scientific foundation for climate policy.
“If you suppress information and data, then you don’t have the evidence you need to be able to create regulations, strengthen regulations and even to combat the repeal of regulations,” Gehrke said.
This isn’t climate denial in the traditional sense. The days of loudly debating the science have mostly given way to a campaign to withhold the raw information itself. “I don’t know if we’re living in climate denial anymore,” said Leah Aronowsky, a science historian at Columbia Climate School. “We have this new front of denial by erasure.”
Why the federal government is making climate data disappear
Under the second Trump administration, climate denial has given way to climate erasure.Grist (LAist)
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The strategy appears to be designed to boost the fossil fuel industry
That's it. Just billionares doing billionare things.
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It is no longer climate change denialism, now it is just scientific denialism.
The really fucked up part is the fossil fuel industry knew this would happen 70+ years ago as fact. So now the conservatives deny the conclusions of those they support. Must be hard twisting your mind into a pretzel.
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I am sure there are. They are the Evangelicals who are trying to bring about the apocalypse because Jesus.
You allude to something that turns out to be even worse. Reality is often worse than you typically imagine.
At any rate, yes there are a bunch of people excited to capitalize on climate change. Buy up land, move production, etc. It turns out you can make a lot of money off of human suffering!
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They can make the data disapppear, but they can't make our own experiences (or the weather news) disappear.
Where I grew up, every year the winter temps got down to where F and C are the same temperature. That stopped happening 15 years ago, when temps in the Arctic had climbed fastest. There's plenty more evidence out there, from all directions. They're hoping that we'll start to distrust our own senses? We can live underground, but that's a hard place to grow food.
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There's plenty of data in the countries around you.
And can't they just share the data with a friendly/partner university outside the US, before they have to delete it?
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Honestly, back in 2022 it was the one thing that absolutely enraged me: Yellen and Biden both were pretending that the very high inflation was just a temporary effect and was going to vanish quickly.
It would have been the time to call attention to the reckless spending of the Trump administration, and the direct link to high inflation a year and two years later.
Instead, they denied the problem existed, and thus inherited it.
I mean, it was, by the time Trump took office the inflation numbers were almost back to normal. They're jumping up again because we elected someone who doesn't care about America.
The issue is that people kept believing that inflation going down would mean prices would go down, but that's not how any of this works.
So much this. Biden (or his admin, I don't really care - even if we were to Weekend At Bernie's that shit for another whole term, I DGAF, as long as Biden was surrounded by capable people that have human emotions, unlike team taco) was trying to responsibly run this country, including the economy. Someone might take issue with the messaging or various nuances, and that's fine.
But when certain people kept saying the economy was terrible under Biden? WTAF? And taco keeps repeating it, LOL. It's a real up-is-down, black-is-white type of thing...while I watch things like seeing MS do mass layoffs I see taco and his admin talking about a new golden age for America. 🙄
It was too woke! Most of the time it was only to first blood, buncha pussies!
If you can't tell this is a joke go get diagnosed for autism. I am autistic I can make these jokes!
Gabbard plans to refer Obama administration officials to DOJ for prosecution
Gabbard plans to refer Obama administration officials to DOJ for prosecution
The report suggested a cover-up of crucial information about Russia's intent and capabilities in hacking election systems and infrastructure.KRISTINE FRAZAO | The National News Desk (KOMO)
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You're not wrong that Sanders had some of the most toxic supporters. And still seemingly does. But there's a lot of reasons for that. Part of it was that many of them just like the concept of him and were not supporters of him for any particular political stances. He was the candidate that the GOP focused on promoting the most, to divide and conquer left-leaning voters turning them against each other. Something Sanders himself didn't want. But which worked in spades.
Sanders the person I think is genuine and a great candidate. I would easily vote for him AOC or Warren on any given day.
All the people that tried to convince me over the last decade that she was somehow an intelligent principled candidate.
Just like with Ron Paul, the fact that she was outspokenly critical of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (among other fronts) made her such an outlier that people would tilt towards her on reflex. Also like Ron Paul, her deeply reactionary religious beliefs and her profound racism never got the kind of daylight it deserved even among her mainstream media critics.
She was worse than even I implied at the time.
I saw a lot of people lashing out at her as a "Russian Asset" precisely because she was so staunchly anti-war. The fact that she was corrupt (and, largely corrupt in favor of Narendra Modi, whom these hawks continue to adore) was incidental to the fact that she was opposed to the Bush Era Middle East atrocities.
One of the most damning critiques of Gabbard in the modern day is that she was absolutely full of shit with regard to her anti-war stance. Turns out it was entirely circumstantial and fell away rapidly when the belligerents changed. But, again, this never seems to be a point against her with the Bush Era neocons. If you can get Gabbard on board with bombing China or Pakistan or Iran, that's good enough for them.
I remember when people preferred her to Bernie or thought she was like Bernie in 2020.
I always thought she was a Putin loving cultist stooge and she keeps proving me correct.
I think Tulsi Gabbard is quite possibly the least principled politician I’ve ever seen.
It's not really a competition. More of an over/under sort of thing. You either have enough principles to function as a productive member in society or you don't.
Hmm...
Santos was a bit different though. Gabbard tries to tell something resembling the truth, twisted as necessary to accommodate her lack of principles. Santos didn't even try to tell anything vaguely resembling the truth. He just spewed a constant stream of ridiculously obvious lies.
Yeah.... probably on an absolute scale, Santos was even more unprincipled than Gabbard.
I guess I didn't even consider him because it was never necessary to dive that deep into his character to discover fatal flaws. I never made it to the point of questioning his principles because he couldn't even open his mouth without lying. With Gabbard on the other hand, her sort of superficially honest-ish approach to things throws her complete and total lack of principles into stark relief.
Or something like that...
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Statute of Limitations isn't going to save you from a fascist pogrom.
Atlanta journalist fights deportation from Ice jail despite dropped charges: ‘I’m seeing what absolute power can do’
A Salvadorian reporter with an audience of millions, Mario Guevara was arrested while livestreaming a protest against Trump in June – and is still struggling for freedomGeorge Chidi (The Guardian)
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Trump during Bidens administration: “he’s weaponizing the justice system, waaahhhhh”
Trump now: “weaponize this baby, let’s fuckin go”
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These people spent years mewling about "lawfare". Just like they bitched about "free speech", "cancel culture" and "making comedy legal again".
And what do they do the minute they get (more) power? They start up with tons of legal action against virtually every facet of society. They worked to actually cancel comedy.
It's tactical. The idea is that if you convince your supporters that your enemies are breaking the rules and getting away with it that your supporters will cheer you punishing those enemies by breaking those same rules.
It's just like in sports. People get upset when the refs punish their team for what they perceive the other team getting away with.
What's that sort of government you get when you prosecute political enemies for doing completely legal and ethical work that just so happens to undermine your position of power?
Oh right, Authoritarianism. Tyranny, monarchy, fascism, it's almost like these all have a problem in common.
It might be that, but I don't think that makes it any less dangerous as a path to set precedent to start going after any political group that they don't like.
Couple that with an illegal, but unchallenged executive order (not implemented yet) to prevent candidates from running, or appearing on ballots who are 'under investigation', and the mid-terms could be completely derailed by bogus charges on key candidates, cementing the current administrations strangle-hold.
They've already shown they have to problem doing the exact things they accused the Democrats of doing, so I wouldn't put this past them at all.
lol, there’s an even bigger problem. Presidents have presumptive immunity per SCOTUS.
Even pretending anything is true, Obama gets away with it.
Did she eat toenail clippings? And FFS, could the Democratic establishment please bring back "weird" when they talk about conservatives and Republicans? Because the right are just fucking weird.
wonkette.com/p/was-tulsi-gabba…
Was Tulsi Gabbard In A Cult That Eats Its Leader's Toenails? Is She Still?
To be fair they could have been talking about fingernail clippings.Marcie Jones (Wonkette)
Trump’s Stunning Response When Asked if He Has Sexual ‘Age Limit’ Resurfaces as Epstein-Mania Boils
Trump’s Stunning Response When Asked if He Has Sexual ‘Age Limit’ Resurfaces as Epstein- ...
Trump's stunning response when he was asked if he had a sexual "age limit" has taken on a new dimension amid the fallout from the "Epstein Files" controversy.Tommy Christopher (Mediaite)
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How can this guy be your president, US folks? It was absolutely well known.
Even now, still no appropriate response. Instead, just more of what was also totally foreseeable: corruption and fascism.
How can you allow this to happen?
If you don't act now, you will be the next dictatorship.
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there won't be a next election if you don't fight back.
Why do you think ICE needs a budget of 100 billion? Are you seriously so naive as to believe that it's about illegal immigrants?
Edit: This is not a call to violence, but merely a warning to finally wake up. I don't think you can still rely on your legal system as it is obvious broken beyond repair, but I do think it is possible to remove this despot by civil means. My suggestion: a general strike across all industries – if there's one thing that scares your rulers, it's loss of profit.
What would you have a normal person who likely can't afford to miss much in the way of work do? I am asking sincerely.
Outside of throwing everything away to Luigi it up, I'm not sure what a single person could hope to accomplish.
Even considering the protests, which one would think have had enough people to accomplish something an individual could not... what exactly are they to do that would make things better? Seems like the nonviolent protests are just being ignored to me, but even if they were violent, what exactly are they to direct it towards?
It's a thing I have been wondering in the face of the calls to "do something", and I don't know the answer to what this "something" is.
Organize a general strike - on the biggest scale possible, a scale that cannot be ignored by your news outlets (social media giants included, of course).
Your employer won't be able to do anything about it if there are enough people participating.
Find allies even in the ranks of the conservatives as there must be people not ok with this wreched course.
I have nothing better to offer. Only the warning not to remain inactive like my great-grandparents, Germans who were not Nazis but who did not act when it was still possible.
But yes, this will take courage and might mean hardship. I'd say it's still the best option - but yes, it's easy to say for me as I'm not involved.
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Then it will probably end up in a system like today's Russia. Trump or Vance as the sole ruler above the law.
That would be disastrous not only for US citizens, but for the whole world.
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I interviewed old timers who were involved in the early unionization struggles of auto workers and other industries. Those folks really lived under the thumb of landlords and employers and segregation and so much more bullshit than people remember.
Resistance to employer shit and abuse develops by people being neighbourly and helpful, by building bonds, by sharing their common outrage, and by connecting the dots.
Talk about pay with coworkers, it’s illegal for an employer to restrict such talk. You don’t necessarily have to unionize, but you do have to organize. This means finding solidarity at work, even if the coworkers are boring or misogynistic or different.
You know, apes strong together and all that. Build community around resistance to authoritarianism.
What would you have a normal person who likely can't afford to miss much in the way of work do? I am asking sincerely.
Thank you for honouring the spirit of a forum. The honest answer, from an old fuck’s perspective, is that it entirely depends on
- what you know
- what you are capable of
- what opportunity you have
- and who you know
Outside of throwing everything away to Luigi it up, I'm not sure what a single person could hope to accomplish.
Ah, then that suggests is the first few steps should be seen as ‘helpful training’, until you develop a sense of the first item, what you know. A single person can in fact achieve a huge amount, even without thinking so.
So read and watch about resistance to authoritarianism, wherever it arises. Develop a personal curriculum. Ask old folks like me who have been involved in people’s resistance to authoritarianism for a long time, who they like to read.
Unless, of course, if studying history or political thought isn’t your thing.
In that case, start at grassroots in a service position so you can connect with the issues of the people who are the worst victims of abuse, find out how they got there, and what they need. A soup kitchen or something. Maybe stick to secular organizations.
Even considering the protests, which one would think have had enough people to accomplish something an individual could not... what exactly are they to do that would make things better? Seems like the nonviolent protests are just being ignored to me, but even if they were violent, what exactly are they to direct it towards?
Antonio Gramsci was imprisoned by the OG fascists for years, but he smuggled out his writings, which included an analysis of how social movements turn into hegemonic power, which kind of answers your question.
TL;DR: think of social change as walking like a millipede, not a person. There are many leaders, many strikes and protests, many interests coming together, and culture or propaganda is a big part of it working. Educate yourself and your peers.
It's a thing I have been wondering in the face of the calls to "do something", and I don't know the answer to what this "something" is.
Yeah, if you’re a lawyer you don’t really have to ask this question. If you’re a retail worker or a warehouse gnome, okay then, those are limiting circumstances so just bide your time and listen to audiobooks or lectures on the bus, then put in a couple of hours a week or month at a soup kitchen etc..
That ‘something’ just boils down to actively making a better society, however you can, but you know, all the time really. It will develop from there.
I think that was an actual question and invitation to dialogue, and your first response is to disavow? You mistake genuine concern for anger?
Why?
No shit.
If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.
And if you’re wondering why Democrats like Tim Walz are not even interested in investigating it themselves, well, the existence of certain files and whether or not they are disclosed could have something to do with that.
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- We didn’t really have a democratic choice
- Most of my countrymen are stupid and proud of it
- Most of the people who are aware of how bad it is are not willing to break the law or upset the status quo to fight it
- Reform and revolution take organization but that takes time and effort that most can’t afford.
- People who were aware of how bad things were and are getting have become exhausted and constantly feel powerless to the point they can’t find the strength to keep trying
Those with the time/wealth/power to do anything are too blind or unsympathetic to do anything real. Those without time and resources lack the resources to do anything influential without organization which they also lack the time and resources to create as well.
We’re already in a dictatorship. But you likely have time to stop your country from following suit. Make sure there are good guys left to beat the shit out of us in the end
Edit: to clarify, by “we didn’t have a democratic choice” I was referring to gerrymandering, vote suppression, and other things like winner take all states. I voted and I know there were a surprising number of people who voted blue despite being lifelong republicans. It didn’t do anything because we don’t have democracy.
- We didn’t really have a democratic choice
You had "NOT TRUMP", a former prosecutor with a firm grasp of the law and the progressive half of Biden/Harris. .. who was also Not Trump. If you wanted to ensure Trump didn't get in , the box was right there.
They just needed to vote "not Trump". How fucking hard is that?
Man, this gets hard to repeat so many times.
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Hey love, calm down. I was referring to gerrymandering and vote suppression not the inability to vote for the lesser evil.
I did vote and in fact a surprising number of my peers voted blue despite the fact they typically hard line republican. It made no difference because our state is an all or nothing state, so as long as you can gerrymander well enough around cities and convince rural areas to vote red out of fear, ta da the red party gets all the marbles as if the entire state voted unanimously.
That’s what I meant by not having democracy.
I was referring to gerrymandering
For the 273645234th time, gerrymandering does not play a part in a presidential election. Voter suppression, sure. Gerrymandering affects congressional elections.
Agreeing with the main statement here, but there are knock on effects to gerrymandering. Higher races get fewer votes from places where the elections aren't competitive. With few competitive races there's less benefit to voting, so marginal voters stay home. That's why a motivating ballot question is considered a political benefit.
And gerrymandered states can also give the impression that state level results are a foregone conclusion as well. With the electoral college, where the number of votes on the losing side don't matter, living under a red trifecta creates an impression that the state itself will never flip.
How can this guy be your president, US folks? It was absolutely well known.
Because millions of people didn't care
Hate is a hell of a drug. The religious people (primarily Christians) in our country are particularly susceptible to it. Trump pretends to be religious, and his cruelty is embraced by these types.
It's just layers of indoctrination, basically. It's not the majority of Americans, it's around a third, but they vote in very high percentages, and the actual majority of Americans don't vote.
So, we have this loud, delusional group with the most power right now purely because the majority of Americans don't care to vote.
How can you allow this to happen?
I love how people ask questions like this, like we're gods who can snap our fingers and magically stop the fascists who outnumber us. The number of people who wanted it to happen outnumbered the number of us who didn't want it to happen. Simple as that. Can't even blame the electoral college.
And those people still absolutely love him and will do anything for him and to keep him in power. The only option left after losing the election would be civil war, but even if enough people were ready to go all out and start one, we would lose that war because they have the government and its resources, including the military. That's the problem with democracy, you see--majority rules and if the majority decides they don't want a democracy any more, then it's over.
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I guess that's true... He didn't say anyone below 12, he just said he has no age limit, then added that 12, specifically, was an age he wasn't interested in.
What an absolutely disgusting old man this guy is. He really is the personification of everything wrong with this country.
Release the list and investigate+arrest every fucking person on it.
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“Voice Over: There must be more to life than having everything,” the note began.Donald: Yes, there is, but I won’t tell you what it is.
Jeffrey: Nor will I, since I also know what it is.
Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.
Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?
Jeffrey: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Trump: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.
If I didn't know any other context, I'd say these two were exploring each others brown starfish.
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Not exactly. The quote is:
I don’t want to be like Congressman Foley, with, you know, 12-year-olds.
So I guess his cutoff is 13 which is absolutely no better.
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I think it's Elon.
Trump also pays outsized mind to social media in general and Twitter in particular.
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It went from locker room talk with him acting offended children were being harmed (also by "illegals") to why won't he release the records.
His baddy status is more confirmed.
So which network billionaires does he rub elbows with?
You’re absolutely right. Truth doesn’t matter, networks push certain stories and remove other stories.
FUTURE PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don’t want to be like Congressman Foley, with, you know, 12-year-olds.
Was that Mark Foley? IIRC, he was caught with (male) Congressional Pages, who are older than 12. But the key thing about Foley was that he was caught. So I read this as "I don't want to get caught with someone underage"....
You forget that Trump is a pathological liar. Never tell the truth when a lie will do.
Trump was almost certainly aware that the congressional pages were around 16 or 17 years old. But Trump wanted to say something nasty to tear someone else down, and that’s exactly what he did. It’s exactly what he always does.
So what Trump was really saying was, “don’t look at me! Look at that other “perv”! I’m definitely not a perv! “
The question was whether he had an age limit.. a maximum age he would consider as a cutoff.
Trump went to the opposite extreme.
Makes you think.
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Look into rabbit or kangaroo, depending on where you're located they could be reasonably priced vs beef. Pets with common protein allergies usually don't have reactions to those, or venison for that matter.
Source: one of our cats is allergic to basically all poultry, we switched to rabbit and salmon based foods
Ya gotta teach your kitties to chase down their own Roos. My kitties love to hunt mice, a Roo is just a big mouse.
Oh, right, I just remembered Sylvester getting his ass kicked by a Roo in the old Looney Tunes cartoons, maybe that isn't such a great idea.
Look into rabbit or kangaroo
Interesting how things that hop don't have the triggering protein. Now I wonder how frog and crickets would compare...
Lmao. Seriously though it's exposure; beef, chicken and pork are the cheapest and most common animal proteins available to pet food manufacturers so they're in just about everything. If for some reason the animal has an immune response and those proteins are present at the time the immune system can decide that they're the cause and the animal then develops an allergy or sensitivity to them. With limited ingredient or single protein foods you're just dodging the proteins most pets are pre-exposed to and feeding them one that doesn't cause their immune system to think they're under attack.
One of our cats is so allergic to poultry (chicken, eggs, etc) that he'll scratch and chew himself bloody if he eats it consistently. We had to switch to rabbit and fish based foods or he was an unhappy creature. Just giving him a cat treat with chicken as an ingredient has him scratching his neck immediately and he'll have a couple of fresh scabs by the next morning.
Damn, it's the same exact thing at my house, I could have written this. Beef is absolutely a special occasion thing at my house, I now cook it maybe twice a year. I really dislike pork for various reasons, but chicken prices have gone up a lot too. I just can't do the pork though, sometimes I'll get sausage(s) when the local maker has them on sale, but thats it.
I've been preparing a lot more bean dishes this last year or so, often times I won't have meat so my husband and son can have it and it stretches further.
Beef is so resource intensive to produce, I'm not actually that upset its gotten so expensive, it probably should be expensive. So a beef dish feel special when we have do have it.
Retail beef prices are soaring, but I can tell you from the other end, auction sale prices of market weight steers sure as fuck hasn't gone up that much.
Lot of squeezing happening in the middle somewhere. Curious, that one.
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Why the Beef Supply Is Shrinking (And Why You Should Care)
America’s cattle herd is the smallest it’s been since the 1960s—and it’s not just about drought or feed costs.Jenni Bajema (Rebel Pastures)
I dont want to sound condescending but this is pretty simple economics.
If you tax imports then vendors of local products will increase prices to match the imported goods.
The market for local beef is an oligopoly with only a few buyers, so it's easy for them to manipulate the price.
The market for local beef is an oligopoly with only a few buyers, so it’s easy for them to manipulate the price
That's an oligopsony, not an oligopoly which would have only a few sellers.
They are not vegan. They are into permaculture because they're in a "manly man make money women stay home" cult and they can't afford to have 5 kids and a stay at home wife on husband's paycheck.
Those who have the room usually raise chickens at least, there's centrally not a large intersection of vegans and far right people.
MAYBE if we give Producers LESS Regulations and Competition they'll DROP Prices?
-Donald Trump and ALSO Democrats!
If he could he would wreck Thanksgiving for everyone.
Simply speaking, it’s the folks that prop this puppet not just dt that need removal. It’s that Stephen Miller bitch who needs his skull turned into an ashtray. It’s the inhuman Tom Homan , he’s despicable on his best day. If we can begin that process of removal , I then have a shred of faith that America may begin to recover.
Unfortunately, some serious sausage is gonna need to be tubed up. Well ya’ll understand how it happens. No need to go on to any further detail here.
Lol, New Zealand imports more beef to the US than Brazil. Brazil is #5 at less than 10%.
Absolutely outdated source.
ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2019/…
beefcentral.com/trade/brazil-s…
garrainternational.com/brazili…
datamarnews.com/noticias/brazi…
euromeatnews.com/Article-Brazi…
Among many, many, many other sources. So stfu if you don't know what you're talking about.
Brazil's Beef Exports to the U.S. Soar by 498% Despite Trump's Tariffs - DatamarNews
In April 2025, Brazilian beef exports to the United States surged by an impressive 498% compared to the same period in 2024, jumping from 8,000 to approximately 48,000 tons. Roberto Perosa, president of the BrazilianDatamar
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Uno reverse the hackers, 4 passwords instead of 1. 😎
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Now, you got me thinking. I could make the questions cryptographic hashes that I decrypt to an answer. My wife is going to kill me.
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in reply to return2ozma • • •Pedantry time!
When they talk about this stuff they really need to specify which "day" they're talking about, or else for places that do so, the day the clocks go forward is the shortest day in a year with no others being close.
From another viewpoint, all rotations relative to the non-Sun stars - aka sidereal days - are still shorter. The daily movement along our orbit around the Sun contributes an extra four minutes to make up the full 24 hours.
And so, they must be talking about the solar day. They do say 24 hours after all. Or must they? The discrepancy in the nearest sidereal day will be almost exactly the same, and that rounds to 24. So for which day was the lacking one-and-a-bit milliseconds calculated for?
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in reply to palordrolap • • •There's another factor - days where thr earth is orbiting faster, eg on the closer side of the ellipse - are a different length midday to midday from when we are on the far side of the ellipse.
You can convince yourself of this when you consider that the area of the arc we traverse each day is the same (Kepler's law). On the short side of our eliptical orbit, since the orbital distance is shorter, the arc must have a larger angle that we travel. That means the amount a point on the earth rotates to have the sun come back directly overhead must be different in different parts of the year.
This difference, summed day over day, results in a +/- 20 min movement of actual midday to 12pm. The 'mean' in Greenwich Mean Time refers to averaging this difference over the whole orbit.
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"Something" in the core is "happening" "in a way" that's speeding us up. Temporarily.
This is just minor trivia in Earth's history. 🤷♂️
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