Nah, he’s revitalized the party, brought in a new demographic of voters, and even gained the most seats the Conservatives have ever seen. Just cause he lost to Carney doesn’t automatically make him a bad party leader.

I think they’re counting on Carney to take on Trump, make some fatal mistake, and then swoop in whatever election comes next.

It's really not surprising, it's hand selected delegates travelling to Calgary in winter... Anything less than 80% would have been shockingly catastrophic for him.

Honestly though, holding onto leadership is good, because he's lowered their ceiling of support so incredibly low. Yes his support base is large but he basically has no chance of getting the Conservatives a majority.

Was never even in play. For one, he keeps a firm grip on power inside the CPC and they make it pretty clear that anyone who goes against him will be attacked brutally and publicly for doing so. Then, on the voter side, if you choose your voters, the voters will choose you. The way they set up the leadership vote ensured those voting would be his base.

He and Jenni Byrne captured the party and keep a tight grip on it. Even though Byrne has formally been distanced, she's not.

In an extremely friendly and loivng manner - 🤗 please adjust your expectations 🤗. The very least so you don't get disappointed, but also to be better connected with the reality of fellow Canadians so we can take appropriate actions before we reach the point of a large PP (or equivalent) majority. Running a non-profit social media platform certainly helps!

I'm having a similar conversation with some RL friends today.

Yeah. It's how it is these days. 🫠

Voting was only in-person and for delegates. The CPC have over 600,000 members nationally. They had under 3,000 eligible to vote on leadership, so <0.5% of members choose the leader.

Tells you a lot about the party.

Compare that to the other party also about to select a new leader, the NDP. In their process, 100% of members get a vote on their leader, no matter where they are in the country. People just had to join before January 28, and fees I think are as low as a dollar for people who couldn't afford it.

Night and day in terms of democratic process.

Is this true? I can't find a source about only delegates being allowed to vote. An ex-conversative friend of mine was saying that they usually send the ballots out by mail to any member in good standing.

Edit: doing more reading I don't think its 100% fair to compare this to NDP election. This was a leadership review not a leadership election. If PP lost this then a leadership election would happen that works basically the same as NDP leadership election in terms of who's allowed to vote. Second the NDP has similar rules about delegates to NDP conventions as far as I can tell. You can read both their constitutions here

xfer.ndp.ca/2023/Documents/Con…

cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-c…

Yeah, in 2022 they didn't use delegates and Poilievre won with 67% from several hundred thousand votes, but this time it was back to delegates again, as they did under Harper. Harper’s last win was 84% of 2,900 delegates. The exact number hasn't been released yet for this one I think, but estimates are 2,500 or so. Reporting is that 95% of delegates voted and 87.4% went for Poilievre. So, probably around 2,080 votes total for Poilievre.

That's why if you look at the coverage over the last few days, you'll read about Poilievre meeting with delegates behind the scenes in closed door meetings and trying to shore up votes. You're not doing that with hundreds of thousands of voters, but you can with such a small number deciding your future.

We'll probably get the exact numbers some time soon, but it'll be in that ballpark.

The 2022 election was an actual leadership election. This was just a leadership review. People who did vote weren't voting for a new leader. They were voting on if they still think PP should be leader. There wasn't candidates to vote for. It was a yes or no question. If he lost this election there would be a leadership election similar to the 2022 one you reference. The 2022 election was triggered by the previous leader stepping down just like the NDP leadership election has been triggered by Jagmeet stepping down.

I do think the system is a bit strange that they have a leadership review and it's handled by delagtes who only get picked if they are voted in at meetings in the different electoral districts. Makes it easy to stay in as leader if you can convince the right people to come.

But again what I said before stands. If the NDP did a leadership review at a convention they could do the same thing as the conversatives here cause the constitution allows for it.

Ah, okay. That makes sense. Appreciate the correction.

Not a great representative process for the NDP either in leadership reviews. The delegate system isn't great. Having a tiny percentage of the membership and only the most dedicated shouldn't be taken as wide support of the party membership. With modern tech it really shouldn't be so hard to do with more direct representation.

But, I guess the voters will have their say when a real election comes and the party will deal with whatever the consequence is.

Looking back now at the last NDP leadership review, I see Jagmeet got 81%, and then lost his seat and the party's prior gains.

Unfortunately by all accounts they do have a chance even with PP as a leader. In a late Wynne or late Trudeau scenario, the CPC could very well win a majority. Doug Ford has been riding the wave since 2018. If the LPC hadn't pulled the Carney rabbit out of the hat, something that was far from certain to happen, we'd be saluting PM PP at the moment. We spent a lot of time and money to take Trudeau out and prevent Freeland from taking over the party. This type of maneuvre isn't common. The chance of failure is very high.

Over the short term they wouldn't win. By the time we get to the next election, it's not so certain.

Or they vote Con because Carney won't fix housing, and has a new housing minister that immediately said housing prices can't fall as its boomers retirement fund.

Liberals attempt to straddle the vote, they pretend to care about climate change for the youth vote, as they mass immigrate people into massive urban sprawl for the boomer vote. They straddle the conservative talking points about fiscal discipline as they leapfrog Trudeau level deficits.

It's no surprise that European cars are the best and have been for centuries.

It also makes sense they have the capital to make the best EVs and software, but they are also expensive.

Chinese cars are cheap, but they are probably worth it if you do the pros and cons.