So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: lemmy.ml/post/40744781
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So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: lemmy.ml/post/40744781
Lemmy is a self-hosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. It is completely free and open, and not controlled by any company. This means that there is no advertising, tracking, or secret algorithms. Content is organized into communities, so it is easy to subscribe to topics that you are interested in, and ignore others. Voting is used to bring the most interesting items to the top. Thanks to @[url=https://ukfli.uk/u/flamingos]flamingos-cant[/url] for contributing to resolve this.
Changes
We messed up the previous release and did not include the full list of changes. In fact there were a handful of other bug fixes, and notably a maximum page limit of 10 to prevent a DDoS attack. Some users were also hitting this limit, so with this version the limit is increased to 100. We apologize for these mistakes.
Here is the full changelog since 0.19.13:
Don't allow accessing page numbers greater than 10 by @[url=https://mastodon.social/users/dessalines]Dessalines[/url] #6017
Update deps based on cargo audit by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6258
Increase page limit to 100 by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6252
Ban federation for deleted users by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6207
Federate mod actions on deleted users by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6199
Allow admins to view deleted user profiles by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6194
Adding creator and community indexes for post_aggregates. by @[url=https://mastodon.social/users/dessalines]Dessalines[/url] in #6025
Ignore apub person banners which cannot be parsed by @[url=https://soc.ialis.me/users/nutomic]Felix[/url] in #6015u
Now for the good news, the development version of Lemmy 1.0 is available for testing on voyager.lemmy.ml with lots of new features. Registration is open, you're welcome to create an account. Feel free to post spam and try everything out. Here is only a short overview:
Multi-communities: Combine different communities together into a custom feed.
Post scheduling: Specify when your post should be published.
Keyword filter: Automatically hide posts about certain topics.
Private communities: Only followers can view the content, and need to be approved manually by mods. Other community visibilities are also available (unlisted, local only).
New notification system: Including notifications for mod actions, and subscribing to communities and posts to be notified about new comments.
OAuth: Login to Lemmy with existing account from another website. Use this link to signup with your Github account (the UI still needs to be improved).
Post Tags: Categorize posts within a community (UI part not implemented yet).
User vote totals: You can see the total number of upvotes and downvotes given to each user.
User notes: You can keep notes on other users.
Combined Feeds: View your saved, liked posts and comments together in a single list.
Comment Locking: Mods can now lock comments recursively.
GDPR style data exporting: You can now export your full posting history as a JSON file.
Plugins: Can be written in JS, Python, Rust, and any other language that targets Webassembly. The test server has a plugin for automatic language tagging of posts.
Cursor pagination: Don't lose your place in the feed when switching pages.
API v3 compat: Lemmy 1.0 can be used by existing apps with no changes (but most new features are only available via the new API v4).
More: Countless smaller features, bug fixes and improvements, too much to list here.
All the above mentioned features are already implemented and fully working, but may need some polishing. If you encounter any problems, please open an issue (backend, frontend). voyager.lemmy.ml is automatically updated to the latest development version every night, so that changes can immediately be tested.
Keep in mind that Lemmy 1.0 is still in alpha state. There may be breaking changes and critical bugs, so do not attempt to upgrade your own instances yet. We intend to publish the first beta version in January, along with API docs and upgrade instructions for test servers.
We hope that you are as excited about these new features as we are. With all this said, happy testing and Merry Christmas!
Upgrade instructions
There are no breaking changes with this release.
Follow the upgrade instructions for ansible or docker.
We’d like to thank our many contributors and users of Lemmy for coding, translating, testing, donating and reporting bugs. We're glad many people find it useful and enjoyable enough to contribute.
Support development
We (@[url=https://mastodon.social/users/dessalines]Dessalines[/url] and @nutomic) have been working full-time on Lemmy for over five years. This is largely thanks to support from NLnet foundation, as well as donations from individual users.
If you like using Lemmy, and want to make sure that we will always be available to work full time building it, consider donating to support its development. A recurring donation is the best way to ensure that open-source software like Lemmy can stay independent and alive, and helps us grow our little developer co-op to support more full-time developers.
I have no idea. I'm a vanilla, semi-norm who came from Reddit, mainly because they banned me after 15 years of active and mostly chill engagement.
I'm basically just a slightly opinionated guy who's interested in what other people have to say on a variety of subjects.
I'm only dimly aware of PieFeed. I like lemmy as it feels like early Reddit and I access it through the boost app on Android, which was the peak Reddit experience before they locked down the APIs.
I've no interest in spreading myself over multiple platforms - I just want access to other humans via the path of least resistance.
With this in mind, is PieFace better? And if so, in what way?
We are currently finishing to implement the last feature community post tags. Once that is done there is still some cleanup and bug fixing to do. Soon after that we will publish the first beta version of 1.0 (likely in February), and ask app devs to start implementing the new API v4. How long the beta phase lasts is hard to say, it depends how many problems pop up.
Description
Adds the ability for community mods / admins to create community tags. Fixes Support creating community tags #3566
Adds the ability to add community tags for a post. Fixes Support addi...
Piefed does more hand holding during the on-boarding process: when you first login, you get a list of a few topics you would like to follow, so that your Subscribed feed already has a few communities, instead of directly arriving to the All feed.
Piefed does more hand holding during the on-boarding process: when you first login, you get a list of a few topics you would like to follow, so that your Subscribed feed already has a few communities, instead of directly arriving to the All feed.
Piefed also has a few features that Lemmy does not currently have
cross-posts comments consolidation: example: piefed.zip/c/privacy/p/1011777… . Community fragmentation is a regular criticism of the Threadiverse, and this solves it.
multi-communities, so that smaller communities are not drown in the most active ones in the Subscribed feed, allowing once again to avoid the "all there is is US news"
Lemmy 1.0 is planned to add some of those features, but still doesn't have a defined release date yet: lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
Due to all of this, Piefed is currently considered a better platform for new joiners than Lemmy. This can change once Lemmy 1.0 is released, but that's how it is right now.
Why not point to both? Now that most of the tech crowd left Reddit after the 2023 API shutdown, the average Redditor isn't ready to go through a lot of hoops to get to a new platform. See also lawsofux.com/choice-overload/
A recent comment showed the disconnection between a Threadiverse enthusiast and a potential new joiner: old.reddit.com/r/BuyCanadian/c…
But even beyond that, as we all know, people don't have to understand federation to use the platform: lemmy.world/post/35166124
That's why a few people have been pointing only to Piefed recently.
(Why should we even try to get people from Reddit to here? More people allows niche communities to become active rather than relying on one single poster, if any. That's an issue we usually see on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip )
There have been a few posts recently on Reddit promoting Piefed:
The tendency for people to get overwhelmed when they are presented with a large number of options, often used interchangeably with the term paradox of choice.
A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
Many Lemmy apps actually added Piefed compatibility fairly quickly once it was catching on. Boost, Summit, Blorp, Voyager, Interstellar and Mlem all support Piefed.
Do any of these have the gesture of swipe up/sideways to go back/close picture from full view? I'd like to move away from Eternity, but I use this constantly. The ones implementing gestures or swipes seem to be focused on upvoting actions and so on, but not to go back.
I'm not well versed in all of them. Summit has press-and-hold to maximise a picture from thumbnail and then swipe up to dismiss, which works well enough for me. Also basic swipe to go back and three tier swipe gesture actions on posts/comments (swipe, longer swipe, longest swipe).
I think Mlem does, although I usually swipe down to close an image from view so I’m not sure about up. I definitely swipe sideways to go back, but it’s been a bit hit-or-miss since the new iPadOS uses this in the corners to shrink an application for some reason I can’t fathom.
Summit you can swipe right while in comments to go back. You can swipe left on a comment or post to vote. It's extremely similar to Sync was on Reddit or the Lemmy version.
There's one point you haven't mentioned that, to me, is the most important one and is honestly, I think, the core issue most people are talking around: Piefed defederates actual Socialist instances (Hexbear, Lemmygrad, Lemmy.ml) by default in a blatant bid to suppress left-wing speech.
If some libs want to go off and make their own little safe-space reddit clone because seeing a post sympathetic to China makes them angry, sure, go ahead I guess. But I'm a Socialist, and all serious Socialists - or Liberals who believe in the merits of free discussion and debate, of which there are vanishingly few these days - are going to be opposed to that sort of thing.
I moved to Lemmy because /r/CTH was banned and /r/GenZedong getting quarantined was the final straw. It is clear to me that the goal of the administration of the major PieFed instances is to recreate the same Anticommunist culture of Reddit within the fediverse.
If the developers of PieFed want me to like their app (or at least be neutral to it), literally all they have to do is refederate with Lemmygrad and enf
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There's one point you haven't mentioned that, to me, is the most important one and is honestly, I think, the core issue most people are talking around: Piefed defederates actual Socialist instances (Hexbear, Lemmygrad, Lemmy.ml) by default in a blatant bid to suppress left-wing speech.
If some libs want to go off and make their own little safe-space reddit clone because seeing a post sympathetic to China makes them angry, sure, go ahead I guess. But I'm a Socialist, and all serious Socialists - or Liberals who believe in the merits of free discussion and debate, of which there are vanishingly few these days - are going to be opposed to that sort of thing.
I moved to Lemmy because /r/CTH was banned and /r/GenZedong getting quarantined was the final straw. It is clear to me that the goal of the administration of the major PieFed instances is to recreate the same Anticommunist culture of Reddit within the fediverse.
If the developers of PieFed want me to like their app (or at least be neutral to it), literally all they have to do is refederate with Lemmygrad and enforce moderation policies that do not infringe on legal left-wing speech. If they choose not to, it's they who are putting their politics ahead of their development goals, much in the same way (if this isn't too melodramatic) Imperialist states suddenly stop caring about free markets and the international rules-based order when it comes to the Cuban embargo, Iranian and Russian influence, or Chinese loans.
“Piefed defederates actual Socialist instances (Hexbear, Lemmygrad, Lemmy.ml) by default in a blatant bid to suppress left-wing speech.”
It has less to do with your politics and more to do with pretty much everyone collectively deciding they don’t want to deal with your toxic instance culture. You guys create such a massive moderation overhead in instances where you engage that it isn’t worth having you around.
Why not point to both? Now that most of the tech crowd left Reddit after the 2023 API shutdown, the average Redditor isn’t ready to go through a lot of hoops to get to a new platform. See also lawsofux.com/choice-overload/
This! But it does draw into question Piefed's decision to an instance chooser into the registration page.
I going to stop engaging with this stuff now. I'm just so sick of this inane inter-software fighting. Piefed does some nice things, Lemmy does some nice things, both have questionable aspects. That's just software, baby!
The tendency for people to get overwhelmed when they are presented with a large number of options, often used interchangeably with the term paradox of choice.
I feel the same. I'm going to be a bit self-centered and quote myself from the piefed matrix chat:
I like lemmy. I still use, run communities on, and donate to lemmy instances.
Different threadiverse implementations just means different features available to people looking for them, and a bigger, more diverse threadiverse is a better one.
…yeah this is absurd. We’re all reading the same content. Who cares how we read it? They’re both pretty great as far as I can tell as an ignorant end user.
Even though I'm on lemmy, I was very interested in Piefed and even upvoted this post thinking it's very cool, but then through this post I've read this comment and this is lame af lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/62580326…
I kept reading and found someone else pointing a lot of those filters are off by default (like decreasing reputation if you reply with a gif, what was even the idea here lol). I'm also not a native speaker, and if I'm talking about a serious subject and write a long text I usually use a chatbot to grammar check me and sometimes that crap changes my hyphens for em dashes and I don't notice - at least it seems like you only get flagged for posting an em dash instead of losing score. I'm still not sure what to think about the reputation score though... Lastly, even though I have blocked hexbear and lemmygrad, I find it lame that'd they'd ban it by default :P
Well most instances do block them even on the lemmyverse. Dbzer0 obviously doesn't. But the default defederation includes a lot more instances than them in the first place. They're just the most notable.
That's quite surprising given by how touchy they are about everything (that ml user comment even says "stupid" is ableism), I thought they would be welcomed all around the fediverse.
With many of those comments being the recent code-level takedown of PieFed. I mean, I'm not saying that this user is a nutomic sock puppet account, but it would be hard to make it more obvious.
Irelephant's OP there is a solid point, but the comments down below are horribly misleading disinformation.
To name just one thing wrong, nowhere is lemmy.ml ever hard-coded in as a defederated instance (hexbear and Lemmygrad I believe are, but not Lemmy.ml). I've seen this piece of disinformation floated several times now in multiple posts - but it is simply not true.
The PieFed devs welcome honest questions and feedback, but if someone is going to spread criticism about the code all over posts in several communities, it could help if they actually read it first to confirm what they are saying?
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Irelephant's OP there is a solid point, but the comments down below are horribly misleading disinformation.
To name just one thing wrong, nowhere is lemmy.ml ever hard-coded in as a defederated instance (hexbear and Lemmygrad I believe are, but not Lemmy.ml). I've seen this piece of disinformation floated several times now in multiple posts - but it is simply not true.
The PieFed devs welcome honest questions and feedback, but if someone is going to spread criticism about the code all over posts in several communities, it could help if they actually read it first to confirm what they are saying?
We're here to answer any questions you have about PieFed's code
I have received word that there are people combing through the PieFed code looking for anything that might be harmful. This is excellent and can only make PieFed better and less harmful.
But my favorite has to win! There's no way the devs would/should be able to learn from each other, and they smell for making a competing product. Monopolies are awesome. /s
'where is the hostility coming from?' sure, the evangelists for it tend to be very polite, however it's because there's been posts like this happening all year that makes it pretty clear why people prefer piefed:
The conclusion is that piefed is popular with people looking to be free of 'degenerates'
I hope, say in a few years, that I'll be able to make light-hearted jokes about the "piefed v lemmy" flame wars and people will either not care to learn about it or smile knowingly and then change the subject anyways.
Elon Musk's SpaceX wants to launch a constellation of 1 million satellites that will orbit Earth and harness the sun to power AI data centers, according to a filing at the Federal Communications Commission.
A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
Piefed does more hand holding during the on-boarding process: when you first login, you get a list of a few topics you would like to follow, so that your Subscribed feed already has a few communities, instead of directly arriving to the All feed.
Piefed also has a few features that Lemmy does not currently have
cross-posts comments consolidation: example: piefed.zip/c/privacy/p/1011777… . Community fragmentation is a regular criticism of the Threadiverse, and this solves it.
multi-communities, so that smaller communities are not drown in the most active ones in the Subscribed feed, allowing once again to avoid the "all there is is US news"
Lemmy 1.0 is planned to add some of those features, but still doesn't have a defined release date yet: lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
Due to all of this, Piefed is currently considered a better platform for new joiners than Lemmy. This can change once Lemmy 1.0 is released, but that's how it is right now.
Why not point to both? Now that most of the tech crowd left Reddit after the 2023 API shutdown, the average Redditor isn't ready to go through a lot of hoops to get to a new platform. See also lawsofux.com/choice-overload/
A recent comment showed the disconnection between a Threadiverse enthusiast and a potential new joiner: old.reddit.com/r/BuyCanadian/c…
But even beyond that, as we all know, people don't have to understand federation to use the platform: lemmy.world/post/35166124
That's why a few people have been pointing only to Piefed recently.
(Why should we even try to get people from Reddit to here? More people allows niche communities to become active rather than relying on one single poster, if any. That's an issue we usually see on !fedigrow@[url=https://lemmy.zip/]Lemmy.zip[/url] )
There have been a few posts recently on Reddit promoting Piefed:
The tendency for people to get overwhelmed when they are presented with a large number of options, often used interchangeably with the term paradox of choice.
Very helpful, thanks. As for me, as long as a piefed instance exists, I'll put this in the same container as politics and let the rest of you handle it.
I love the fediverse, no matter which way you choose to view it from. As long as PieFed and Lemmy users can see eachothers posts, I don't mind. The last thing we should be doing is dividing ourselves further.
Are the terminally online leftists infighting again about inconsequential purity tests instead of uniting in solidarity against the ruling class to try to form a unified movement against the rising fascist tide across the western world?
Ah, I see I've hit a nerve. If anybody would like to do actual praxis or start a book club, a good start could be found in the links below.
Piefed does more hand holding during the on-boarding process: when you first login, you get a list of a few topics you would like to follow, so that your Subscribed feed already has a few communities, instead of directly arriving to the All feed.
Piefed also has a few features that Lemmy does not currently have
cross-posts comments consolidation: example: piefed.zip/c/privacy/p/1011777… . Community fragmentation is a regular criticism of the Threadiverse, and this solves it.
multi-communities, so that smaller communities are not drown in the most active ones in the Subscribed feed, allowing once again to avoid the "all there is is US news"
Lemmy 1.0 is planned to add some of those features, but still doesn't have a defined release date yet: lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
Due to all of this, Piefed is currently considered a better platform for new joiners than Lemmy. This can change once Lemmy 1.0 is released, but that's how it is right now.
Why not point to both? Now that most of the tech crowd left Reddit after the 2023 API shutdown, the average Redditor isn't ready to go through a lot of hoops to get to a new platform. See also lawsofux.com/choice-overload/
A recent comment showed the disconnection between a Threadiverse enthusiast and a potential new joiner: old.reddit.com/r/BuyCanadian/c…
But even beyond that, as we all know, people don't have to understand federation to use the platform: lemmy.world/post/35166124
That's why a few people have been pointing only to Piefed recently.
(Why should we even try to get people from Reddit to here? More people allows niche communities to become active rather than relying on one single poster, if any. That's an issue we usually see on !fedigrow@[url=https://lemmy.zip/]Lemmy.zip[/url] )
There have been a few posts recently on Reddit promoting Piefed:
The tendency for people to get overwhelmed when they are presented with a large number of options, often used interchangeably with the term paradox of choice.
The organisation said it was unable to secure basic assurances regarding the use and protection of that information. "Despite repeated efforts, it became evident that we were unable to build engagement with Israeli authorities on the concrete assurances required," MSF said.
The charity added that it sought guarantees that staff details would be used only for administrative purposes and would not place employees at risk.
MSF said those assurances were not provided and that it therefore "concluded that we will not share staff information in the current circumstances".
Israel has banned the international medical charity Doctors Without Borders (MSF) from operating in Gaza and the occupied West Bank after the organisation refused to hand over a list of its Palestinian and international staff.
Qatar and AJ aren't anti-imperialist at all, but you can only be this 🤏 critical of the fascist project as an outsider before you're seen as an adversary.
In my experience while I wouldn't call AJ "anti-imperialist" per se it does offer uniquely West Asian perspectives on things that Western media either isn't reporting on at all or is just straight up lying about, which is useful when trying to deprogram liberals. They're not as likely to scoff at AJ articles as they would actual anti-imperialist outlets - which they're all convinced are sock puppets for the Kremlin.
I think so. Even though they claimed that the so-called "Uyghur Genocide" is real, at least they criticize the Zionist Entity and they are pro-Palestine too. So I can say that they're left-leaning right now but they are still a bit liberal.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you're correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don't know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
It's been very funny to see the rhetorical slide in the last decade.
Sure I'm a progressive but I'm not a socialist
-Sure I'm a socialist but I'm not some communist
-Sure I'm a communist but I'm not some kind of tankie
The overton window will continue to shift as conditions deteriorate, reform continues to fail, and us "tankies" continue to be proven correct about everything. Enjoy the ride
I can't say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That's why people dislike them, not because they're "leftists."
It's their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with "communism" as a whole and ofc they love to "No True Scotsman" being they're the only "true" leftists lmfao
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Wow the hexbear brigade really does not like the idea of non-tankies commies. Communists were there before Marx and Engels, some disagreed with them, and still do, and some that agree with Marx and Engels disagree with stalinism and maoism. Authoritarianism isn't built in communism.
I am said non tankie commie. Its so weird being told I'm a lib by them because I don't like any repressive regime.
Edit: I find it fascinating that I a trans woman am supposed to support multiple governments that have outright said I ethier don't exist or jailed people like me.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, Piefed has a lot of anti-communist shit in its code.
It essentially exists because some libs were whining about supposed tankie censorship, and then made their own lemmy with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ censorship had coded into it.
Piefed literally has a social credit score for users. You can't make this shit up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Someone thought it would "poison" LLMs using their content in their training data (it doesn't). It's an attempt at throwing rocks at the passing armoured truck that is AIs rolling through the neighbourhood, telling yourself that you've at least done something so you can feel good about yourself.
I just wnat to complain about lemmy users and stop having 20 piefed bros lecture me how how if i go to piefed everything will be rainbows and sunshine and my farts will smell like cotton candy.
everyone is weirdly insufferable about their little tribe being the best because they use it. might as well be lecturing people about what brand of milk to drink.
I've never had that interaction. I'm also kind of a dum dum and don't even know the difference between between the fediverse, lemmy, all the little stuff. I got my account working and haven't put much thought into it past my brain rotted shit posting.
PieFed is FOSS. It runs in a docker container with fewer resources than Lemmy so you could self-host your own instance if you wanted - see e.g. jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-pief… for one person's irl story attempting to do both.
Other alternatives, besides Lemmy, are Kbin, now forked into Mbin, nodeBB, and flarum at least announced that it would but I am not so sure it will follow through. And that's just the Threadiverse: there's still so much in the wider Fediverse as well, like besides Mastodon there's Pixelfed, and Friendica, Loops is coming up, etc.
You don't ever have to go back to big tech again.
Unless you want content, since we don't have endless varieties like them. This is the price we who stay here pay.
It's easy to make allegations like that but you haven't provided any evidence so far
Also maybe the reason why some people aren't such big fans of Hexbear/Lemmygrad is because they justify and endorse imperialism, invasions, and murdering, as long as it's non-western countries doing those things.
To add to this, the blocking features on PieFed are more robust, granular and ACTUALLY FUCKING WORK, which allow users to completely block ml/grad/hex along with the users from the instances. Contrary to lemmy where blocking instances at user level doesn't block the users and you still see their posts if they crosspost to another instance that federates with them.
I literally commented a screenshot of their user profile where maam says "alt of sunshine" ask @hamid@crazypeople.online about how healthy sunshine is for the fediverse
Same, honestly it seems like a very malicious post to paint lemmy as a victim instead of something that keeps digging it's own hole. But nobody seems to want to fork the software for some reason.
I think Hamid (that post author) was the one with the vegan instance and freaked out when he got any kind of criticism, then shut down his instance? Sure seems to love drama.
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I'm not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That's awful I don't want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Sorry I don't understand what you mean here, but in the worst case sharing links has never worked well across the Threadiverse - depending on how you mean that, as in if it is on a different instance than what they are on it will take them instead to that other place where they have no account and so cannot vote or comment - while in the best case PieFed has solved this long-standing issue by auto-translating links to be on the same instance as the sender. I do not know how that work for the recipient - I don't think that it would, or could go back to the above scenario.
Anyway this is not unique to PieFed, as I thought PieFed was at least no worse than Lemmy in this regard and ever so slightly more functional - at least I've been ecstatically happy (yes I'm odd:-P) with this new capability it offers, as I've been waiting for it since the Rexodus and it is finally here!!!
The links were functional, but odd looking. The recipients didn't like seeing characters that don't usually show up in links and considered the links suspicious as a result, sometimes not clicking them.
Not exactly a flaw with the tech, but also a reasonable precaution by the recipients. I'm flattered that you assume my friends are on the fediverse but most of them aren't so trying to explain instances and such to them wouldn't go smoothly.
Irelephant's OP criticism seems legit, yes. The comment replies on the other hand are chock full of misinformation - e.g. PieFed does not defederate from lemmy.ml right out of the box, nor is that nonexistent capability hard-coded into the software. I don't remember all the details but I do recall Irelephant pushing back against some of those incorrect replies.
PieFed needs help to get better, it's not perfect. The main dev Rimu has always asked for exactly that kind of not only direct aid but even critical feedback, or see this post from a month ago: piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/… That's fairly open and transparent, it looks to me?
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Irelephant's OP criticism seems legit, yes. The comment replies on the other hand are chock full of misinformation - e.g. PieFed does not defederate from lemmy.ml right out of the box, nor is that nonexistent capability hard-coded into the software. I don't remember all the details but I do recall Irelephant pushing back against some of those incorrect replies.
PieFed needs help to get better, it's not perfect. The main dev Rimu has always asked for exactly that kind of not only direct aid but even critical feedback, or see this post from a month ago: piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/… That's fairly open and transparent, it looks to me?
We're here to answer any questions you have about PieFed's code
I have received word that there are people combing through the PieFed code looking for anything that might be harmful. This is excellent and can only make PieFed better and less harmful.
Plus they can still vote on your content, and send you DMs, which at first did not but the next version increased the rights of the so-called "blocked" users further to also include pinging you. Which is made all the worse by Lemmy not allowing you to stop notifications for any of your content. That "instance block" is so incorrectly misnamed as to be active disinformation, especially when it was promised to us beforehand as the ability to block instances with problematic users (i.e. hexbear and Lemmygrad), but then instead it merely lets users trolls you incessantly unless you move your account to an instance that dares to actually defederate from them (except virtually nobody does to lemmy.ml).
PieFed's set of features is so nice. Like you can set, or deselect, notifications on pretty much anything - get notifications for every single post by a community, or by a user account, or for a comment that is not yours, etc. I have never once regretted switching to PieFed!
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
You see comrade, you're illegal because Stalin and Mao hate you. You're the bad working class because you have gender expression. To the education camp!
I have identified as a communist since I came out of the alt right pipeline. But I also learned that just because propaganda says one thing that the opposite is true. Having a nuanced view of how to world works isn't a "rhetorical slide". Just because the west is evil doesn't mean the east isn't.
I am for an armed revolution I just don't think installing a dictator at the end of it will help the people in a meaningful way long term. Putting a single person in charge will always lead to corruption eventually.
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code... aren't exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don't change people. that's what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to 'solve' the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how 'true' their nutjob commitment is.
i've seen nothing but piefed users being smug jerks about piefed and treating lemmy users like they are unwashed plebes. myself included. i've used piefed and it's the same flavor of shit in a different layout.
i have not seen it go the other way around. most are going 'wtf is piefed and why are these people so weird'.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities... being exactly the same. it's just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are 'old and uncool'.
1) If you believe in evil, your view isn't as nuanced as you think it is
2) The assumption that "tankies" (communists with an understanding of history, geopolitics and systems theory) are simply swapping one set of unthinking blanket loyalites for another out of some kind of contrarianism or intellectual laziness is itself an intellectually lazy assumption based in a lack of understanding. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't have had to read so many damn books. The actual truth is that the "tankie" worldview is by far the most nuanced out of all the mainstream political tendencies. It is built on dialectical and historical materialism rather than a static liberal idealism composed of floating signifiers. Rigorous analysis, critique and self-critique are built into it's foundations. To put it simply, the liberal and western leftist understanding of the world is a static, abstract diorama drenched in the residue of christianity while the tankie understanding is a scientific machine in constant motion. When western leftists who haven't yet examined their intern
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Two points:
1) If you believe in evil, your view isn't as nuanced as you think it is
2) The assumption that "tankies" (communists with an understanding of history, geopolitics and systems theory) are simply swapping one set of unthinking blanket loyalites for another out of some kind of contrarianism or intellectual laziness is itself an intellectually lazy assumption based in a lack of understanding. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't have had to read so many damn books. The actual truth is that the "tankie" worldview is by far the most nuanced out of all the mainstream political tendencies. It is built on dialectical and historical materialism rather than a static liberal idealism composed of floating signifiers. Rigorous analysis, critique and self-critique are built into it's foundations. To put it simply, the liberal and western leftist understanding of the world is a static, abstract diorama drenched in the residue of christianity while the tankie understanding is a scientific machine in constant motion. When western leftists who haven't yet examined their internalized propaganda and chauvinism say things like "just because the west is evil doesn't mean the east isn't" and think they're addressing something the "tankie" actually believes, they are projecting their own lack of nuance onto the tankie.
I started this comment feeling a lot more snarky, but have ended it feeling a lot more up to the task of explaining in good faith. I've been exactly where you are, I've been you. You have not yet been me.
Yeah I'm about to leave bc I can't even look at a cartoon's comments without seeing everybody calling each other tankies. It's been a good few months, but...
that's completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
If you are using an app, you might look into how safe it is keep using that app? Or perhaps you ran into a special niche case for a particular URL, but I don't really recall seeing special characters in any URLs related to PieFed so I don't think that's a (major) thing?
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Although I wish it was a bit more intuitive and the UI elements worked for it - like the sort functions only work for posts but not comments so sometimes it is difficult to use. For posts though, it's one of the better searchers I've yet seen, especially compared to Reddit 😝.
Like one example is jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-pief… - that's the irl experiences of an actual dev trying out both. That's not "Lemmy hate" to simply report on what this new instance admin actually encountered?
Or there's the account of slrpnk announcing its upcoming switch from Lemmy to PieFed - this is even an established, experienced admin team giving up on bugs in Lemmy and moving to PieFed that is easier to maintain. About those long-standing bugs, the admin says "I have reported the issue multiple times and I am not the only one with the problem since many years..."
How is this hatred of Lemmy's entire existence, as in not merely preferring one software over th other for one's own sake, vs. expressions wishing that the other software did not even so much as exist, as we see in several of those posts (and comme
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does it happen both ways though?
Like one example is jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-pief… - that's the irl experiences of an actual dev trying out both. That's not "Lemmy hate" to simply report on what this new instance admin actually encountered?
Or there's the account of slrpnk announcing its upcoming switch from Lemmy to PieFed - this is even an established, experienced admin team giving up on bugs in Lemmy and moving to PieFed that is easier to maintain. About those long-standing bugs, the admin says "I have reported the issue multiple times and I am not the only one with the problem since many years..."
How is this hatred of Lemmy's entire existence, as in not merely preferring one software over th other for one's own sake, vs. expressions wishing that the other software did not even so much as exist, as we see in several of those posts (and comments therein) that Blaze has shared in his post?
Yes there disagreements about the tankie devs and how they misuse funds, taking away from further software development in order to run their heavily politically charged and controversial instance (where based on the amount of moderation work going on, seems to consume a great deal of time and effort), without offering much in the way of choices to fund exclusively the software itself alone. But those are "concerns", not actively wishing that the other software platform did not exist?
Neither software is perfect, but the only active hatred I've seen is towards the PieFed side.
Lemmy != Tankies, Software != People, and Instance != Platform. e.g. you cannot simply delete someone from "~~Lemmy~~ PieFed", it would have to be from a specific instance, perhaps PieFed.social?
Likewise railing against tankies is not the same as hatred vs. a FOSS offering - like, anyone at all could make a fork of the PieFed project and thereby become entirely independent of its original main creator?
I dunno what to tell you other than FOSS is FOSS. Hate against free software all you like, but at the end of the day it's still entirely and completely free.🤷
Some fair points here but don't allow the person you are responding to here warp the conversation with highly charged wording choices, possibly influenced by the very drama posts that OP was referring to (except in reverse).
I do not see the word "negligent" anywhere at piefed.social/auth/instance_ch… I see only "Newbie-friendly" and "Choose your own adventure". Is there something wrong or negative (hehe, "negligent") about "Choose your own adventure"? Conversely, "Newbie-friendly" speaks to a playground like experience where even a former Redditor might be able to understand something - without having to bother to read anything at all, certainly nothing as complicated as my very own comment here🤪.
PieFed.zip is not "negligent", nor have I seen any hint or question that it ever might have been? There was concern that it might rather have been "Choose your own adventure" (and if so, then what would be wrong with that?) rather than "Newbie-friendly", but ev
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Some fair points here but don't allow the person you are responding to here warp the conversation with highly charged wording choices, possibly influenced by the very drama posts that OP was referring to (except in reverse).
I do not see the word "negligent" anywhere at piefed.social/auth/instance_ch… I see only "Newbie-friendly" and "Choose your own adventure". Is there something wrong or negative (hehe, "negligent") about "Choose your own adventure"? Conversely, "Newbie-friendly" speaks to a playground like experience where even a former Redditor might be able to understand something - without having to bother to read anything at all, certainly nothing as complicated as my very own comment here🤪.
PieFed.zip is not "negligent", nor have I seen any hint or question that it ever might have been? There was concern that it might rather have been "Choose your own adventure" (and if so, then what would be wrong with that?) rather than "Newbie-friendly", but even that was cleared up in favor of the latter.
The person you are responding to is being negligent themselves (in their wording choice) if they are accusing piefed.zip of being negligent.
PieFed.zip is a wonderful instance and to anyone else reading, it is highly recommended by many people to check it out and then recommend it to others as a great default Threadiverse instance (as lemmy.zip likewise used to be, before PieFed's additional features eclipsed Lemmy's).
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No, it does not. It has options to censor things, if the instance admin so chooses. A simple click of a box in a UI can control this? (As just one possibility.)
They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don’t like the pinkos there
Lemmy.ml is not blocked by default, and as people are saying there, this nonexistent block is also not hard-coded (chiefly since it does not exist, but also the blocks for hexbear and Lemmygrad are likewise not hard-coded, but again are options to select or not).
No, it does not. It has options to censor things, if the instance admin so chooses. A simple click of a box in a UI can control this? (As just one possibility.)
They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don’t like the pinkos there
Lemmy.ml is not blocked by default, and as people are saying there, this nonexistent block is also not hard-coded (chiefly since it does not exist, but also the blocks for hexbear and Lemmygrad are likewise not hard-coded, but again are options to select or not).
Btw, here is a post from 2 days ago made by a Lemmy.ml user to a lemmy.ml community, appearing on PieFed.social, the flagship PieFed instance. Can you please explain to me then how lemmy.ml is blocked by default, and that is hard-coded right into the software?
this rational system gets them labelled with “Defederation: Negligent” in the piefed onboarding flow.
No, it doesn't, nor was it ever thought to? For one, the word "negligent" does not appear anywhere in piefed.social/auth/instance_ch… (please do not take my word about any of this that I say here, look it up for yourself and see, but otherwise you are simply spreading someone else's disinformation) - what it says is "Newbie-friendly" vs. "Choose your own adventure", and PieFed.zip is clearly labeled as "Newbie friendly: Yes", and shows up when the selector has chosen Newbie-friendly rather than Choose your own adventure.
The word "negligent" is highly charged (enshittified?), but the wording "Choose your own adventure" is not, which anyway, again, does not even apply here to begin with?
There was a question about whether PieFed.zip was fully "Newbie-friendly", and if you look up hexbear's history you will see why. Especially when they were caught lying to other instance admins. They brought this censorship upon themselves, by refusing to moderate themselves and then harboring people engaging in trolling behaviors outside of their instance, effectively protecting those bullies. Hexbears are leftist MAGAs, and many people on Reddit legitimately cite having left the Threadiverse as a result of being exposed to such, making any instance that federates with hexbear not 100% fully "Newbie-friendly", and rather more "Choose your own adventure".
On the internet, people sometimes lie. You do not have to choose to repeat their lies elsewhere as if they were 100% true (without even so much as a "I heard that people are saying..."). Honestly I expect better from someone on mander.xyz.
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It makes sense - for one thing, Rust is a very difficult language to work with, whereas one reason that PieFed is able to be developed so quickly is its choice to be coded in Python (the non-SQL parts anyway) that many developers are already very familiar with.
And look at the huge backlash against PieFed for even so much as existing alongside Lemmy, even as a fun project that is helpful to the development of the worldwide Threadiverse overall. A fork of Lemmy would be treated much more this way, with scorn and disdain.
I mentioned that it's been a while; maybe they resolved it. In mine there were plenty of at signs and colons. I agree there's nothing upsetting about your links.
Disclaimer: this is not a personal attack. I am critiquing the Western-Marxist movement as a whole, if you're not a part of it, if you don't attack actually existing socialism or discredit them un-dialectically, then it's not aimed at you, thank you.
Or you can substitute East to Global South. You know what I mean.
Platt och intetsägande om techimperialism i Tidningen Svärm. Det är mest floskler och plattityder i en artikel om techimperialismen som en person från Alt åt alla i Stockholms skrivit. Och det är fullt med felaktigheter. blog.zaramis.se/2026/02/01/pla…
Yes, Bessent was just bragging about this in Davos. These aren't international sanctions, they're not approved by the UN. These are unilateral sanctions by the Burger Reich and their vassals used as a form of siege warfare against Iran.
The UN doesn't have any particular claim to the word "international", except insofar as anything they do is international because the UN itself is international.
Other organisations, or even loosely affiliated groups of nations, can do international things because the word just means something like "between nations".
That's pure nonsense. There is only one version of international law and the UN is the only globally recognized organization to enforce it. These other organization are just unilateral tools of specific countries representing their interests. And sanctions such as the ones the west does against their adversaries are unilateral actions by these states.
i don't think they are arguing about international law, they are making an irrelevant and pedantic point about the meaning of the word international in general
thank you for your vote. Would you like to finish the child I've been eating?
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in reply to beSyl • • •I have no idea. I'm a vanilla, semi-norm who came from Reddit, mainly because they banned me after 15 years of active and mostly chill engagement.
I'm basically just a slightly opinionated guy who's interested in what other people have to say on a variety of subjects.
I'm only dimly aware of PieFeed. I like lemmy as it feels like early Reddit and I access it through the boost app on Android, which was the peak Reddit experience before they locked down the APIs.
I've no interest in spreading myself over multiple platforms - I just want access to other humans via the path of least resistance.
With this in mind, is PieFace better? And if so, in what way?
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in reply to YeahIgotskills2 • • •Nutomic
in reply to Skavau • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Nutomic • • •Hello,
Hope you are doing well. Any time-frame (even rough) in mind for Lemmy 1.0 release?
Nutomic
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Community tags by dessalines · Pull Request #3795 · LemmyNet/lemmy-ui
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