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If you are in the U.S., you can buy produce directly from black farmers and they will ship it to you. It can cost less than your supermarket and will piss off people in power.
@APBBlue This is so cool! I immediately found a farmer I order from in California - Corky’s Nuts. I plan to use this. Off to search for farmers in my region now.
cool, I'll boost although white farmers deserve the same, equal rights like, I would once buy from a white farmer, once from a black farmer, both small businesses, so noone gets left out.
i’ll tell my family about this. The homegrown stuff tastes better anyway, and it will be helping people out. I miss my garden. I have one when I was little and we had some of the best food ever. Maybe when I get my own place, I can have another one.
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Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
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So beyond fighting about what happened in 2024… What are you going to do about it?
Are you calling your senators? Representatives? Federal level? State level? Governor?
Even if you live in a red state, you can be annoying. Leave voicemails. Ask for call backs. Write letters. Blue state - better. Cmon, they’re spineless. Shout louder than everyone else.
Then look for local issues. Local manifestations of fascism that are small enough for you to do something about. Show up to city council and school board (there have been lots of efforts to overtake these smaller bodies too.) Community organizing for Palestine could also be community organizing for addressing attacks on the homeless, women’s autonomy, etc.
Boycotting using apps such as No Thanks is very effective. Israel needs money to bribe politicians. Once companies take even a 1% loss for supporting Israel they will rapidly divest.
Yeah, because Kamala was so pro-palestine lmfao. The democrat party's policy was literally "maybe we'll support genocide a little less than the other guys. Maybe."
Like, any sane party would have seen how polling showed that a huge chunk of your base rejected your stance on Palestine and reevaluated. But nope, Dems went full steam ahead with it.
Like goddamn, you're here calling other people trash because they didn't want to support a candidate who was okay giving a blank check to a foreign country earmarked for carpet bombing civilians? Get over yourself jesus.
You're the one who told me that me contacting politicians every week, which is something I very clearly said I do, is the reason why contacting politicians every week doesn't work. But also that you do it even though it doesn't work.
So I'm pretty sure I'm not the one making no sense and I'm sorry my spending hours every week contacting politicians to try to stop this genocide has ruined it for you somehow. I think I'll keep doing it anyway... out of spite, I guess?
No that is your logic. You'd be pro-supporting-the-lesser-genocide. There's no lesser option that is available beyond your choice. There is for someone who abstained, so their position actively supported exacerbating the genocide.
And bad faith how, this guy has based his identity around Chomsky who agrees with what I'm saying. He is arguing in bad faith 'Are you sure you’re an anarchist?' lol
And they aren't mutually exclusive. You should be doing the other things AND voting for whatever party is most aligned with your views that has a chance of winning.
Okay so here’s the biggest issue I take with liberals about this. There are countless studies that show that leftists do strategic voting. I do it myself. But leftists bringing up that it’s bullshit and we aren’t happy about it is what liberals choose to blame lost elections on.
I am a leftist, not a liberal. IDK what the liberals are doing or why you're telling me. I'm pretty sure they stole the election - but the narratives equating Trump/Kamala on Palstine certainly contributed to lower-turnout and apathy.
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Ethnic cleansing has been described as part of a continuum of violence whose most extreme form is genocide. Ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or population transfer. While ethnic cleansing and genocide may share the same goal and methods (e.g., forced displacement), ethnic cleansing is intended to displace a persecuted population from a given territory, while genocide is intended to destroy a group.
Your quote is just a bunch of insinuations leading questions without an answer. Pure bad faith.
Folks, let me tell you, the deal of a lifetime is waiting for our Palestinian friends! You don't want to miss out on this incredible opportunity. Imagine leaving Gaza and moving to a place where everything is better—like really, really better than before.
Just think about it, folks. Gaza has been through some tough times, but we’ve got a solution that’s going to make your lives so much better. You’ll have more opportunities, better jobs, and the best of everything. It’s like a real estate deal that just can't be beaten.
Now, I know some people are worried about Jordan and Egypt not being on board, but believe me, they’re just jealous of how great this deal is. They don’t want to admit it, but deep down, they’re envious. You don’t need their approval because you’re already winning with this move.
So don’t hold back, folks! This is your chance to make things huge. You’re going to love it, and so will everyone else. It’s going to be treme
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Folks, let me tell you, the deal of a lifetime is waiting for our Palestinian friends! You don't want to miss out on this incredible opportunity. Imagine leaving Gaza and moving to a place where everything is better—like really, really better than before.
Just think about it, folks. Gaza has been through some tough times, but we’ve got a solution that’s going to make your lives so much better. You’ll have more opportunities, better jobs, and the best of everything. It’s like a real estate deal that just can't be beaten.
Now, I know some people are worried about Jordan and Egypt not being on board, but believe me, they’re just jealous of how great this deal is. They don’t want to admit it, but deep down, they’re envious. You don’t need their approval because you’re already winning with this move.
So don’t hold back, folks! This is your chance to make things huge. You’re going to love it, and so will everyone else. It’s going to be tremendous!
P.S. If you’re on the fence, just think about it—what do you have to lose? The best deal in history is waiting for you, and it’s not going to be around forever. Make the move while you can!
Cowbee got banned for misinfo, and aftwards had to provide sources for his arguments, even though you all are allowed to run your mouth without a single shred of evidence. Then when he asked for proff that his source was misinfo, he got banned
Edit: Cowbee wasn't banned from this community
Linkerbaan was banned for making at worse snarky remarks. And I can see a bunch in this thread, although I know they aren't gonna get removed
Because they would just be inactive rather than banned? You're the one claiming that bans have occurred, which would be a major censorship issue for lemmy...
That was the problem though wasn't it? Right after the Economy was Gaza and the Dems were the guy on the right. It was only ever the leadership on the left.
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I'm not a fan of Biden. I didn't even vote for him in the last election. I'd much rather be angry about the amount of weapons we are still supplying to Israel, than be on here skewering the morons who threw out the baby with the bathwater and skull fucked the country for the foreseeable future. I'm gonna do this every fucking time trump does something shitty to Palestine, because 4 fucking years is damn long time for the protest voter's and abstainer's goldfish mental faculties to remember what their little stunt cost everyone.
I mean I never used the term "Genocide Joe" it seemed a little silly, but I was and am a person who said that in good contious I could not suport Biden, or Harris who said the only difrence we would see is a republican in her cabinet. No where in here am I saying this is anything less than the same level of genocide... nor am I saying that this is not more blatent, but the reality is that it is not significantly worse than the previous, that was just constantly being bombed, and that was being enabled by Biden
Maybe just maybe they stopped complaining because there reason to complain is no longer there, and they are complaining with you that Trump is aiding in a genocide.
Though for this specific topic "genocide of Jewish people" would be better than "Jewish genocide" as the latter is unclear if the genocide is being perpetuated by or against Jewish people (and also the larger Jewish population shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of Israel). Neither would have alarm bells going off in the same way as using "Jew" as an adjective though. That's a very specific white supremacist phrasing.
I don't think you can blame the Dems for a majority of Americans voting for a man his own current VP once called "America's Hitler". We are here entirely because the majority of Americans wanted this.
In case you aren't aware our presidential elections aren't decided by popular vote but but electoral vote for each state apportioned sort of but not evenly according to population of state. If you get 50% + 1 vote in a given state you get all of that state's vote. You could in theory win as a red candidate with 40% of the popular vote. The majority of electoral votes are a foregone conclusion and even almost 40% of the vote in competitive states.
You could run your neighbors dog's ass as team red and win all of the vote in red states and 40% of the vote in purple states.
The entire direction of our country is determined by how as little as 2% of the county votes in 6 states. This privileges the conservatives control the country better than half the time despite only winning the popular vote twice in the last 32 years. Based on our constitution we can't change it wit
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I don't think you can blame the Dems for a majority of Americans voting for a man his own current VP once called "America's Hitler". We are here entirely because the majority of Americans wanted this.
In case you aren't aware our presidential elections aren't decided by popular vote but but electoral vote for each state apportioned sort of but not evenly according to population of state. If you get 50% + 1 vote in a given state you get all of that state's vote. You could in theory win as a red candidate with 40% of the popular vote. The majority of electoral votes are a foregone conclusion and even almost 40% of the vote in competitive states.
You could run your neighbors dog's ass as team red and win all of the vote in red states and 40% of the vote in purple states.
The entire direction of our country is determined by how as little as 2% of the county votes in 6 states. This privileges the conservatives control the country better than half the time despite only winning the popular vote twice in the last 32 years. Based on our constitution we can't change it without either their assent or a civil war and breakdown of all order.
You should make this comment in a thread about Israel and Palestine vs in an article about Trump. It's not making it about Trump to discuss Trump in an article about Trump.
That said its not our fault Israel is a clusterfuck. It's a clusterfuck because of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore before it was Israel it was a British territory. The US is to schizophrenic and too morally weak to rely on to save anything. Save yourself or drown.
You should make this comment in a thread about Israel and Palestine vs in an article about Trump.
If this was /c/news you'd be right and I should not bother with this kind of comment, because then it would be about looking at this from the point of view of US politics. This is /c/world news. Trump is not a candidate that won your election, Trump is the sitting US president. Like, listen, if Trudeau says something stupid about Palestine, it would be ridiculous for a bunch of Canadians to brigade the thread and make it about how strategic NDP voters spoiled the last Canadian election. You would be complaining and you'd be right. If we were to go do that over at /c/canada, we'd be right to tell you off if you complain, but here in /c/world, you'd be right.
It’s not making it about Trump to discuss Trump in an article about Trump.
I didn't say don't make it about Trump. I said stop whining about your last election. We don't care any more, it's tired, and it's stupid and I don't fucking want to hear about how mad y
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You should make this comment in a thread about Israel and Palestine vs in an article about Trump.
If this was /c/news you'd be right and I should not bother with this kind of comment, because then it would be about looking at this from the point of view of US politics. This is /c/world news. Trump is not a candidate that won your election, Trump is the sitting US president. Like, listen, if Trudeau says something stupid about Palestine, it would be ridiculous for a bunch of Canadians to brigade the thread and make it about how strategic NDP voters spoiled the last Canadian election. You would be complaining and you'd be right. If we were to go do that over at /c/canada, we'd be right to tell you off if you complain, but here in /c/world, you'd be right.
It’s not making it about Trump to discuss Trump in an article about Trump.
I didn't say don't make it about Trump. I said stop whining about your last election. We don't care any more, it's tired, and it's stupid and I don't fucking want to hear about how mad you are at Jill Stein or Kamala any more. If you want to whine about other Americans, go to /c/news and knock yourself out.
That said its not our fault Israel is a clusterfuck. It’s a clusterfuck because of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore before it was Israel it was a British territory.
That's where you're wrong, yank. It is your fault. Your country has been enabling the Israelis for the last 5 decades. They would not be able to do shit if you didn't sell hand them over the weapons you do, if you didn't play their big brother lawyer at every single fucking UN institution, vetoing every single fucking condemnation for every single fucking crime that they do. They wouldn't be half as brazen if you were not doing everything possible to cover their asses at every single fucking opportunity you get. The Israelis are the primary culprit here, but the US is the reason why Israel keeps acting with complete fucking immunity and overwhelming power.
("you" == your country, not you personally)
The US is to schizophrenic and too morally weak to rely on to save anything. Save yourself or drown.
Your argument's defense of a nonexistent boundary between genocide and ethnic cleansing boils down to genocide denial. There is no agreed upon definition of ethnic cleansing. There is no way to peacefully forcefully relocate a group of people. An attempt to forcefully relocate a group of people is motivated by the desire to destroy that group in whole or in part.
The quote from the wiki article points out everything I have now written down in this comment. It's written as a series of rhetorical questions with clear answers. Your argument's effort to misrepresent the wiki page's descriptive analysis of ethnic cleansing as an official definition is an attempt to police a none existent boundary. You argument left out the last part of that section.
Multiple genocide scholars have criticized distinguishing between ethnic cleansing and genocide, with Martin Shaw arguing that forced deportation necessarily results in the destruction of a group and this must be foreseen by the perpetrators.
A call for ethnic cleansing is a call for genocide. The
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Your argument's defense of a nonexistent boundary between genocide and ethnic cleansing boils down to genocide denial. There is no agreed upon definition of ethnic cleansing. There is no way to peacefully forcefully relocate a group of people. An attempt to forcefully relocate a group of people is motivated by the desire to destroy that group in whole or in part.
The quote from the wiki article points out everything I have now written down in this comment. It's written as a series of rhetorical questions with clear answers. Your argument's effort to misrepresent the wiki page's descriptive analysis of ethnic cleansing as an official definition is an attempt to police a none existent boundary. You argument left out the last part of that section.
Multiple genocide scholars have criticized distinguishing between ethnic cleansing and genocide, with Martin Shaw arguing that forced deportation necessarily results in the destruction of a group and this must be foreseen by the perpetrators.
A call for ethnic cleansing is a call for genocide. There is no way to engage in peaceful forceful deportation or population transfer. There is no meaningful difference between getting rid of a group by forcefully removing them and destroying them.
The Armenian genocide involved death marches, into the desert without food or water. What's the meaningful difference between sending people to die in the desert and destroying them? There isn't one.
The Armenian genocide was the systematic killing and deportation of millions of Armenians by Ottoman Empire Turks from 1915-1920, during and after World War I.
I think the vast majority of Democrats in House and Senate will bend the knee or just stay silent before facing persecution.
Since Trump's inauguration, the Democrats have been ineffective so far, but they haven't been silent. We'll find out soon.
And everybody voting the furthest left viable is a flimsy strategy for fighting fascism.
It was the only useful, viable strategy we had.
Many people already do that all the time, but you can’t make sure that everybody does.
We can count on people to act in their own self-interest. People can organize online to spread true information. The issue was that people fell for propaganda that convinced them to act against their own interests without them realizing it.
Also, with this there never was a chance to move the party any further left. Every election there was this myth that you have to vote moderate to change the party, but it never happened. Why should it? Moderates can say that the voters have shown they wan
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I think the vast majority of Democrats in House and Senate will bend the knee or just stay silent before facing persecution.
Since Trump's inauguration, the Democrats have been ineffective so far, but they haven't been silent. We'll find out soon.
And everybody voting the furthest left viable is a flimsy strategy for fighting fascism.
It was the only useful, viable strategy we had.
Many people already do that all the time, but you can’t make sure that everybody does.
We can count on people to act in their own self-interest. People can organize online to spread true information. The issue was that people fell for propaganda that convinced them to act against their own interests without them realizing it.
Also, with this there never was a chance to move the party any further left. Every election there was this myth that you have to vote moderate to change the party, but it never happened. Why should it? Moderates can say that the voters have shown they want moderate positions when they win. And when they lose for some reason they go, “Well, if you need them the most the progressives will stab you in the back. Let’s cut them out”. This is what I mean there are no consequences for Democrats, at least for the leadership that’s moderate and neoliberal. They will never move.
My argument is that voting for neoliberal Democrats will only incrementally shift the party to the left. In order to make the Democrats meaningfully change from a leaning right of center organization to at least a leaning left of center organization they must be co-opted by a progressive or socialist candidate with a populist narrative. This populist narrative would ideally be a progressive and socialist agenda. Like Bernie tried to do twice. In order for someone like Bernie to do this we needed more time before a fascist takeover.
We know this strategy can work because Trump did it to the Republican party. He used a populist narrative of white christian nationalism. However, we are now out of time and relying on the idea that fascist incompetence will give us another chance.
There is no fulcrum on the political spectrum that can force Democrats to change. And if what your argument wants is a reason for Democrats to change that is not consequences but incentives. To be clear, in a democracy the only consequence for losing elections is to lose out on political power. There is no mechanism besides voting to make Democrats agree with one group of constituents. Democrats look at who voted and then chase those votes.
As long as money is in politics the incentives will always be for the Democrats to incrementally change at best. At a pace that is far to slow to fix wealth inequality or climate change. Political power has to be seized when it is up for grabs during primaries in order to see more systemic change. But in order to do that there needed to be future elections which is no longer guaranteed.
What does that have to do with people who claimed they cared about Palestinians doing the right thing and voting for the BEST candidate regarding Palestine? Because Trump made it extremely clear he wanted Israel to steamroll Palestine and, oh shit, now that he's president that's the stance he's taking. WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS!?!?!?!?
Honestly, you're doing a great job of personifying the exact fools I'm talking about.
Like, any sane party would have seen how polling showed that a huge chunk of your base rejected your stance on Palestine and reevaluated.
You realize that a responsible government can't just change its stance regarding allies every 4 years just to win an election, right? We would have no allies. It'll be a cold day in hell before we jeopardize our most important ally in the Middle East. So are you suggesting Democrats should have stooped to Republican levels and lied to the American people by saying they would stop supporting Israel and then ju
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Yeah, because Kamala was so pro-palestine lmfao
What does that have to do with people who claimed they cared about Palestinians doing the right thing and voting for the BEST candidate regarding Palestine? Because Trump made it extremely clear he wanted Israel to steamroll Palestine and, oh shit, now that he's president that's the stance he's taking. WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS!?!?!?!?
Honestly, you're doing a great job of personifying the exact fools I'm talking about.
Like, any sane party would have seen how polling showed that a huge chunk of your base rejected your stance on Palestine and reevaluated.
You realize that a responsible government can't just change its stance regarding allies every 4 years just to win an election, right? We would have no allies. It'll be a cold day in hell before we jeopardize our most important ally in the Middle East. So are you suggesting Democrats should have stooped to Republican levels and lied to the American people by saying they would stop supporting Israel and then just taken that back after they won?
Like goddamn, you’re here calling other people trash because they didn’t want to support a candidate who was okay giving a blank check to a foreign country earmarked for carpet bombing civilians?
No, I'm here calling trash people trash for pretending they cared about Palestinians and then refusing to vote for the BEST AVAILABLE OUTCOME for Palestinians. I mean, I guess you could argue that they aren't actually trash, but just really, really, super stupid people that somehow thought not voting for Palestinian's best shot would be a smart thing to do. I'm willing to meet you in the middle on that one.
These dipshits sealed Palestinian's fate AND put our own nation in extreme jeopardy. They can honestly go fuck themselves.
Yeah loser, my first thought after these dipshits sealed Palestinian's fate by not voting for the BEST candidate regarding Palestine while simultaneously placing our own nation in extreme jeopardy is to point out that they're fucking fools and WE all told them so before they made a huge fucking mistake.
even “vote blue no matter who” shills know Kamala’s position on Gaza was indefensible
Herp derp, I guess we should vote 3rd party or not vote at all and guarantee that the worst possible candidate for Palestine gets elected. That'll help Palestine. Herp derp.
Kiddo, why would I feel stupid when I voted for the BEST candidate regarding Palestine's future? I made the right decision while these fools wasted their vote on a 3rd party or didn't vote at all in protest, ensuring Palestine's worst-case-scenario, which is now happening.
Do you tie your own shoes in the morning or do you use velcro?
Jill Stein? You mean the clown that shows up a couple months out from every election, then disappears for 4 years? You mean the Jill Stein that got more votes than any other 3rd party candidate and that amounted to a whopping HALF OF A SINGLE PERCENT of the total votes cast by Americans?
That Jill Stein?
Lol. Anyone that voted 3rd party for president is a fool of the highest caliber. They threw their votes away on candidates that COULD NOT win, ensuring a Trump victory. Because every one of those fools went into the election not knowing if their vote for a 3rd party was going to be the deciding factor of the election.
The amount of mental gymnastics you're doing to justify the Democratic party supporting genocide is genuinely sad. And I do mean that, like it's truly sad to me that so many people have convinced themselves that it's a fine and normal thing that a nominally progressive party should support the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. I didn't vote for that platform and I never will, because it's truly, fundamentally evil. "Oh but it's better then the other guy" so? I'm still voting to kill these people. I'd sooner not vote at all.
If Kamala had won, I absolutely guarantee you the overwhelming majority of Democrats would have conveniently forgotten how we were bankrolling these terrible crimes overseas.
Palestinians, Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics listen up. This is how much Democrats respect you. If you ever decide to not do exactly what they want, expect racist treatment from them like you see here. Might as well find a party that actually respects you & that won't genocide you when it benefits them.
That’s simply false, and literally every aid organization and the UN and international press said otherwise. Long lines of hundreds of trucks were not allowed to enter Gaza by the Israeli military, I saw the videos and interviews of the drivers, even Biden admitted it was because Netanyahu refused to allow trucks in and not because of logistics inside Gaza itself. It was part of Netanyahu’s attempt to starve the population both to please the rightwingers in his coalition and to pressure Hamas into surrendering.
You’re still strawmanning, because it’s no secret that Harris was better than Trump on literally every issue except Palestine. I admitted it above and you gloss over that so you can repeat the same thing as if you’re not listening. Trump is doing all the horrible things he promised he would do. You’re trying to blame me for this even though I wanted Trump to lose too. Peace.
Edit: you’re still ignoring what I said and trying to talk past me. Blame Kamala for deciding she would rather sacrifice votes and risk her own election than say anything against Israel. That’s on her and not the voters. She couldn’t even call for a ceasefire but Trump did. That should tell you how bad Kamala was blowing it. And we’re not quiet, the Palestinians are still suffering but now that the election is over you and the Democratic leaders decided to ignore us because you never cared. I’m not gloating because we knew this would end badly and spent over a year trying to warn the Democrats, meanwhile so many “liberals” are trying to ru
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You’re still strawmanning, because it’s no secret that Harris was better than Trump on literally every issue except Palestine. I admitted it above and you gloss over that so you can repeat the same thing as if you’re not listening. Trump is doing all the horrible things he promised he would do. You’re trying to blame me for this even though I wanted Trump to lose too. Peace.
Edit: you’re still ignoring what I said and trying to talk past me. Blame Kamala for deciding she would rather sacrifice votes and risk her own election than say anything against Israel. That’s on her and not the voters. She couldn’t even call for a ceasefire but Trump did. That should tell you how bad Kamala was blowing it. And we’re not quiet, the Palestinians are still suffering but now that the election is over you and the Democratic leaders decided to ignore us because you never cared. I’m not gloating because we knew this would end badly and spent over a year trying to warn the Democrats, meanwhile so many “liberals” are trying to rub it in our faces as if they weren’t the ones who lost.
So, I am a sadistic monster for pointing out that kidnapping civilists and meístreating them instead of just getting rid of your extremist leaders led to the desaster. And not even showing regret and distancing yourself from those religious zealots doesn't help, of course. But I am the monster, not the kidnappers. How dillusional are you???
No, what I am trying to point out is that all the people who kept repeating the "both sides"-bullshit actually HELPED Trump win. Repeat something often enough and idiots will believe it. I have no actual statistics about this, but I wonder, how many people eventually stayed home because they thought both sides are the same and voting wouldn't matter anyway? How many people just sorta protest-voted Trump because they believed it wouldn't make a difference anyway? How many people actually switched to third party voting because they initially wanted to, and it wouldn't make a difference anyway?
Perpetuating this idea that Kamala was the same helped Trump win. It was repeated by certain people ad nauseam how Trump and Kamala were the same. How you shouldn't vote for democrats because it would be voting for genocide. If they were the same, you'd end up with genocide either way, so then vote for the one who's better on every other topic, no? But no, that's not what they said. It was an intentional campaign to make people not vote for Kamala, either by staying home or voting Trump.
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No, what I am trying to point out is that all the people who kept repeating the "both sides"-bullshit actually HELPED Trump win. Repeat something often enough and idiots will believe it. I have no actual statistics about this, but I wonder, how many people eventually stayed home because they thought both sides are the same and voting wouldn't matter anyway? How many people just sorta protest-voted Trump because they believed it wouldn't make a difference anyway? How many people actually switched to third party voting because they initially wanted to, and it wouldn't make a difference anyway?
Perpetuating this idea that Kamala was the same helped Trump win. It was repeated by certain people ad nauseam how Trump and Kamala were the same. How you shouldn't vote for democrats because it would be voting for genocide. If they were the same, you'd end up with genocide either way, so then vote for the one who's better on every other topic, no? But no, that's not what they said. It was an intentional campaign to make people not vote for Kamala, either by staying home or voting Trump. Every single thread was full of "both sides"-trolls and 99% of those have mysteriously disappeared since Trump won. I mean, it's logical, their work was done, right?
This is world news but the thread is STILL about Trump specifically. If you don't want to talk about Trump the logical thing would be to downvote such thread so you see less of them.
So noble that you don’t reject genocide on principle
This kind of shit is why adults can't take you children seriously.
Do I actually have to type out the words "I AM AGAINST GENOCIDE" before you're willing to allow your brain to take common sense into account?
Like, how slow do you have to be to not grasp that being against genocide and choosing Harris over Trump to minimize the fallout are not mutually exclusive?
Dipshits who sat out the election or voted 3rd party didn't accomplish ANYTHING. They sat on the sidelines and cried like children while allowing the situation in Gaza to deteriorate to a maximum degree.
Harris supported genocide You voted for Harris You effectively voted for genocide
See, unlike you, I'm not okay with making such a compromise. Here's a crazy idea, instead of making the boneheaded decision to run Harris, the DNC could have run a candidate who was actually popular, or at least not notably unpopular. But no, we got the sidekick to genocide Joe.
And let me remind you that the situation in Palestine got so terrible under Biden's policy of enabling Israel to no end. Seriously, Trump's been in office for a week or two, the overwhelming majority of the devastation is Gaza happened under a blue administration who was more than happy to give an endless supply of lethal aid to Israel for the last year and a half. FFS, if the Democrats had the spine to pull the pipeline of tax dollars to Israel within the first month of the ethnic cleansing, we never would have reached this point. Nearly the entire death toll in Gaza so far happened under Biden.
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Well, let's see here:
Harris supported genocide You voted for Harris You effectively voted for genocide
See, unlike you, I'm not okay with making such a compromise. Here's a crazy idea, instead of making the boneheaded decision to run Harris, the DNC could have run a candidate who was actually popular, or at least not notably unpopular. But no, we got the sidekick to genocide Joe.
And let me remind you that the situation in Palestine got so terrible under Biden's policy of enabling Israel to no end. Seriously, Trump's been in office for a week or two, the overwhelming majority of the devastation is Gaza happened under a blue administration who was more than happy to give an endless supply of lethal aid to Israel for the last year and a half. FFS, if the Democrats had the spine to pull the pipeline of tax dollars to Israel within the first month of the ethnic cleansing, we never would have reached this point. Nearly the entire death toll in Gaza so far happened under Biden.
But hey, go off on blaming the voters who voted based on some pretty fundamental moral principles instead of the DNC for giving unlimited unconditional support to Israel for well over a year now.
Ah, sorry I didn’t know, like I said English is not my native language so I just copy what I read. But now I know to say better, thanks for explaining. 😸
There is no meaningful difference between getting rid of a group by forcefully removing them and destroying them.
Please read that again. There’s a gigantic difference between dead or alive.
100,000 Armenians were ethnically cleansed in 2023 with less than a dozen civilian deaths. Compared that to the Armenian Genocide at the beginning of the 20th century with a million deaths.
Using the same term genocide for both is watering down the term. It betrays why it was coined in the first place.
The UN and aid organizations of course don’t publicize their inability to distribute aid inside Gaza. They will always blame Israel. However there are also statements by aid organizations and UN that they can’t distribute because of armed groups.
COGAT are the ones actually checking and counting all the trucks going into Gaza. Aid organizations only count their own trucks, so their numbers are always too low. Commercial trucks have been going into Gaza all the time as well.
That’s a very selective reading and being intentionally misleading, that was only the problem AFTER 13 months of Israeli forces not allowing trucks in. Look at what they were saying in October and earlier, the main obstacle was trucks not being allowed in. I watched this unfold in real time.
You’re denying what NGOs and the UN were reporting for the 14 months prior; aid was not being allowed in by Israel. Biden said it, and Netanyahu admitted it. It was intentional to try and pressure Gazans into a ceasefire, and it was illegal like I said above.
They even stress that this is only a part of the aid getting into Gaza.
undermines our ability to track data on goods handled by some international non-governmental organizations, the Red Cross / Red Crescent and the commercial sector.
Luis Moreno Ocampo, the inaugural prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, has classified the ethnic cleansing of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians as a second Armenian genocide, and opined that the inaction of the international community encouraged Azerbaijan to act with impunity.[34][35]
The number of deaths has nothing to do with it. The intent is the same, the only difference between the two genocides is that they were less successful at killing people in the second one. The only people that are helped by defending a distinction between ethnic cleansing and genocide, that does not exist, are the people who want to commit genocide.
Israel makes wholesale use of administrative detention - holding Palestinians without charge or trial, for terms that can be renewed indefinitely. These detentions are based exclusively on secret information, preventing any meaningful judicial review.
How do you define hostage versus prisoner when people are being locked up for indefinite periods of time based on 'evidence' that they, their lawyers or anyone outside the IDF are able to see?
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