@Lana @draNgNon

when facing #fascism and #bigotry, you can fight them when they are small, or you can fight them when they are large, later. because you didn't fight them when they were small

those are your only choices

you never ever have the choice to kick the can down the road, or "someone else's problem," or shout "do something!" at other people

it's on you

because you will be facing them

one way or another

now or later

#AlwaysPunchANazi

#APAN

a Nazi is a #fascist, a #bigot, a #racist

they do not understand anything else. you can't debate. you can't convince. they do not possess reason nor morality

they only understand a bloody mouth

there is no other way

if you worry about "sinking to their level":

what the fuck do you think is happening in the #USA right now?

you are already at their level. you are fucking drowning in them

because you didn't punch them when you had the chance

the left/ #democrats have to use the full force of all levers of power and pummel them and call them out as the fascist fucks they are

"but if we do that, then if/ when the fascists gain power they will do the same"

who the fuck believes that binds #MAGA behavior?

does anyone think "oh they played nice, so we have to play nice too" is a thought that goes through the walnut sized craniums of donald #trump or that of any of his bootlickers?

Did we not grind through Waffen SS units with reasonable dialogue and strongly worded letters?

@macacator @draNgNon

@howtophil @galad @draNgNon

the usa had/ has plenty of homegrown bigots and racists

fuck operation paperclip but this is a war that rages in society, all societies, forever

@galad @draNgNon Point in fact, because we were "nice" and "paperclipped" many of them into our society at key levels, we didn't fully beat the nazis... :(

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio…

secret program of the US to bring German scientists, including former Nazis, into the US to work for the US government

^{Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)}

north korea has elections too

obviously #usa #democracy is in peril, but that's no reason to capitulate prematurely out of #cynicism

voting is merely a realm of a larger battle

you participate because a #vote shifts the battle lines

"but i want perfection now so i'm not voting" like an airhead makes the struggle harder

you move in a direction, you don't stand on #toxicIdealism

it's not romantic, it's pragmatic

or, don't vote

now we're even more fucked

@bebadefabo @galad @draNgNon

correct, but without the cynical resignation:

fighting #fascism is not a one-and-done, never was

there is always a rising tide of #ignorance and #indecency

it requires you to always fight it. now and forever. that's just the cost of #society

this shouldn't depress you, this should educate you on the terms of living in our reality

it's just taking the trash out every thursday

and if you don't take out the trash, you live in filth

example: the current #usa

@howtophil @galad @draNgNon

and so to extend your observation, the failure was the north going soft on the south after the civil war

we are still paying for that mistake, with compound interest

@hallunke23 @Lana @draNgNon

Scheiß auf die Nazis

@Huntn00
I believe these people became easily swayed when they were disenfranchised by late-stage capitalism. In that vulnerable state, they were manipulated into joining the MAGA cult, and picking up that ideology.

We have to be careful not to assume these people are fundamentally flawed. Nobody's born a racist/xenophobe/homophobe/etc. They become that way when their sense of reality gets twisted - usually from outside manipulation.

this is like saying a rapist had a poor upbringing so we have to be careful not to judge the rapist

yes all vile crimes have their roots in poor environment

but there's plenty of people with terrible upbringings who are wise saints

and there's people with blessed upbringings who are vile bigots

so you're wrong

we do judge MAGAts

i do not care about the story that made them #MAGA

they have crossed a threshold

they are bootlicking sycophants of #fascism now

we judge them

@Stoneycase @jadon1 @Huntn00

no i know

i don't understand this reticence and hesitance to judge people who are gleeful fascists and bigots like #MAGA

a person may steal a loaf of bread to feed their family

we forgive them

they may then find other means and never steal again

but they may also relish the theft and graduate to murdering someone in a robbery out of simple greed

*character matters*

there is a line that is crossed

and when that line is crossed, we damn well fucking judge them

@Huntn00 @jadon1

"adding1+1 coming up with 10"

it does in binary

{insert joke about binary thinking here}

@Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1

but the petit bourgeoise will be thrown under the bus by trump as easily as he sends the MAGA poor who voted for him to fight in Iran

the motivation may be slightly different but they are equally stupid con job victims

@jadon1 @Huntn00

I have to disagree to a point here. At least if we're talking about the voters. They believe what they've been told. What has been "reported" to them. We can't throw people under the bus because they're ignorant. This is the "leaders" fault. This is societies fault.

@DoNotPunchDown @jadon1 @Huntn00

"They believe what they've been told"

you mean like

"Just following orders"?

because they sat like a zombie on social media and blindly believed every stupid thing they read?

excusing morons who are destroying society is a road to hell

you are also providing cover for the genuinely malicious to pretend to be stupid and then you forgive them

you condemn people who present as extremely stupid, genuinely or as a trick

@Huntn00 @DoNotPunchDown @jadon1

also because what donotpunchdown is describing is how troll farm works

they just lie, lie, lie in ways to appeal to the stupid and create power bases for malice

so when you're presented with absolute stupidity, you can err on the side of forgiveness, which let's the manipulation agendas off the hook

or you can err on the side of condemning all stupidity, everywhere, even if out there there exists the genuinely innocently stupid who fell for a trick

@Stoneycase @Huntn00 @jadon1

a rapist hasn't healed or addressed their personal problems

you still jail a rapist

same with #MAGA bigots: you condemn them, period. there is no excuse that justifies their racism and ignorance

thing is, in societal breakdown, you can't eat gold

you can promise your head of security a lot of money to secure your bunker. but since money is meaningless now, there's nothing stopping them from putting a bullet in your head and just taking your bunker from you for their own safety

the rich need society more than we do

they're just too stupid to realize it, as they destroy it for short term money grubbing and bigoted goals

@Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1

at our current tech level, and the resources he will need, he is doomed

but i only have "bon voyage!" to say to musk about going to mars right now

a guy feared a US civil war

so he built a bunker

this caught the attention of another guy, with the same panic and fear in him

and that guy had more serious mental health problems

he tried to get the bunker in a home invasion, killing the first guy's daughter

this is a microcosm of their apocalyptic bullshit

they bring it on themselves, self-fulfilling prophecy

their doom, our doom, is their fear playing out

lex18.com/news/lex-18-investig…

Search Warrant: Shannon Gilday had notes about finding bunker inside Morgan family home

The man charged with shooting and killing 32-year-old Jordan Morgan while she was asleep had written notes about finding the bunker inside the Morgan family's home.

^{LEX 18 News - Lexington, KY (WLEX)}

@purplepadma Exactly right.

His followers will loudly and proudly tout whatever he does, regardless of whether or not it’s the right thing to do, or exactly the opposite of what he just said he would do (which they also cheered on), and even if it’s something that directly and negatively affects them.

They’re cultists in a very literal way, checking off each of the usual hallmarks in their devotion to a flawless leader who everyone around them can see for who and what he is.

gold's value in ancient times as a means of exchange is due to rarity and exquisite properties that are appreciated by all

but, as a means of exchange, that only exists in an environment of civil engagement

in societal breakdown, with empty stomachs everywhere, there is no more civil engagement

there's only "i need food badly and this fucker's babbling about gold. i see cans of beans behind him, i'm going to bludgeon him and get the beans"

@rowanshielding @Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1

would be ironic if the gold bar ended up being used as a weapon...

😆

that would be the cinematic ironic twist

but

"i will win this fight because my bludgeon is made of osmium, which is denser than your puny gold"

@rowanshielding @Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1

FACT

@rowanshielding @Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1 Right! Also, if you had the power to mobilise people to mine gold (this applies to other "precious" metals as well) and have someone make you jewellery from it, those adornments would have conveyed visible status. But it's actual value as a medium of exchange would have been questionable.

In the post-apocalyptic scenario, value would be determined solely by need...and you can't eat gold or make anything useful out of it (too malleable)!

@RustyRing @Uair

the only real wealth in this world is life

@RustyRing

Other people are the only thing that makes life worth living. Fuck Sartre.

While I'm at it, most things that don't kill you leave you crippled. Fuck Nietzsche as well.

@rowanshielding @ApostateEnglishman @Huntn00 @Stoneycase @jadon1

tis true

bbc.com/news/articles/cp3nz54e…

Largest Iron Age gold coin hoard acquired by Chelmsford museum

The finder of the "nationally significant" hoard of 933 coins was convicted of theft, says museum.

^{Katy Prickett (BBC News)}

@Uair @RustyRing

"what doesn't kill you makes you stron-

leaves you with PTSD"