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To me a computer should turn on, look nice, let me perform task and then turn off.
I don't want to look under the hood or the terminal or all that. I don't want to have to browse reddit threads about linux partitions. I want to paint comic books and titties.
and being honest with myself I am absolutely one of those linux bros that has a hard time really understanding why almost noone would switch. on some level anyway. on other levels I'm very aware that most people do not want to have to understand how computers work beyond what they actually need or want to do with them. the way windows and mac do it is promising an easy experience and then making you depend on their stuff and so on.
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posiputt ÖvÖ
in reply to JenJen • • •Why Not Zoidberg? 🦑
in reply to JenJen • • •I have been preaching this for years now:
The computer is a tool, or a necessary evil, to the vast majority of users. Desktop Linux is... a hobby project. Just like veteran cars or wood-hulled boats. They work, but they require a level of knowledge 95% of the population neither has nor feel like they should need.
As much enshittification that MS has pushed into Windows lately, it literally just... works. Turn on, work / game, turn off.
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Joshua A.C. Newman
in reply to JenJen • • •This is sure the goal.
It’s why I’ve used Macs for decades, and why it’s so hard to switch out: it’s not usually good design vs. bad. It’s usually design vs. no design.
David Bramian
in reply to JenJen • • •In other words, You want the convenience of technology without the responsibility of learning how it works, and you feel the need to criticize people's who suggest that you do learn. You're not alone. in fact, that is the norm, and it's why the tech bro sociopaths have more money and power than God. So thanks for that.
Please get a drafting table.
Space-G
in reply to David Bramian • • •Sensitive content
@davbram I gotta disagree with some things here.
Firstly, though, I will say that I agree with this:
I think that it's a good thing having technology that you can use without knowing how it works, it empowers a lot of people. One can use a car without knowing anything about engines, send letters without considering logistics, flush toilets without knowing hydrodynamics, or take medicine without knowing a lot of biology. I believe all these are good things.
That is at face value a bad thing, but there are a very vocal minority of linux enthusiasts that go around telling people to switch to linux as if it was as approachable as the alternatives. As if this learning was trivial and took no significant amount of time. This vocal minority can go fuck themselves. And it's common that people will think anyone suggesting linux are part of this group.
I simply disagree with this. If anything, scoffing at the suggestion of embarking on a new hobby (because it's a tall ask) is more of a symptom of capitalism, not it's cause. I'm sorry that I can't offer a more nuanced argument here, I can just say that you're wrong in this point.
Feel free to ignore me though, I'm intruding on the discussion
eishiya
in reply to Space-G • • •eishiya
in reply to eishiya • • •@spaceg I like your car comparison because in many places, cars are similarly a practical necessity rather than a luxury or a hobby, because car manufacturers have made it so.
If I want to get into cars for fun, it's reasonable to expect me to learn a lot about them. But if the residential area I live in is miles away from the jobs and there's no public transit, I'm probably going to use a car whether I care to learn about it or not, and car enthusiasts shouldn't expect me to be on their level.
Carl (He/Him)
in reply to JenJen • • •You can have the "Just turn it on" computer with Linux, easy.
Unfortunately, you'd do it by purchasing a computer with Linux pre-installed. I am not saying this would be practical or desirable for you, just that your laptop almost certainly (99%+) came with Windows, so you also didn't have to learn how to install that.
If you bought, say, a Raspberry Pi, it would come with Linux and Just Work. They just don't fit your use case.
Pinguin Techno Quantum Fairy
in reply to JenJen • • •> To me a computer should turn on, look nice, let me perform task and then turn off.
So like an electronic calculator?
Or more like a digital camera?
Or more like a game console?
> I don't want […] the terminal or all that.
I wonder: What kind of interface do you prefer for “I want to precisely express a non-trivial workflow that maybe no one has done exactly like this and/or that the devs did not anticipate”?
Gabriel Viso Carrera
Unknown parent • • •FLOSSbOxIN
in reply to JenJen • • •Tintin, Billo, Chacha Choudhary, Swat Kats, Captain Planet & Scooby Doo.
Cannot forget Archie's and Raj Comics..
Indian ones included above.
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
in reply to JenJen • • •Je ne suis pas goth
in reply to David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) • • •@david_chisnall amen.
@JenJen
Eoin
in reply to JenJen • • •John Wilson
in reply to JenJen • • •💯
When I was in college (in the late 90s!) I only had a Linux computer. I loved tinkering with my Linux computer
My few years older housemate said, yeah, I used to care about all that, but these days, I just want the computer to work with out all of the fucking around
At the time I was horrified. That could never be me!
Now I get pissed when a new dialog box I’ve never seen pops up. I don’t want to have to even read that shit, let alone figure out if I should care or not