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Another bad derivative of my art:
- Reusing my Creative Commons artwork without attribution
- Putting it on top of AI gen
I wonder how they managed to sell 568 of them...
😤 Revolting.
Well, I filled in a report to ask them to at least give credit.

link: share.temu.com/00LkQzG68XA
my art: peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/art…

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in reply to David Revoy

its a shame... Good luck even if I fear that it will be unsuccessful 😔
in reply to David Revoy

You should hire a lawyer. Without credit this is not allowed. You deserve the money.
in reply to Frodo

@frodo I did it once; it cost me 600€ for the first appointment, just to study the case. It taught me that unless you're sure you can get more than €5000 for the repair, it's not worth trying. Unfortunately.
in reply to David Revoy

I understand. How sad. I am the price of a court case at the moment. That is even more sad.
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Sylvia Ritter
@NatureMC I am wondering why they haven't gotten through Amazon yet. For at least ten years they have been selling illegal products with health risks.
in reply to David Revoy

I think there is a good chance they will add attribution at least in the description or the title. As long as you don't want any compensation :(. I am also always worried about the chemicals in the apparel and heard about Temu's bad working conditions...
in reply to Sylvia Ritter

@sylvia_ritter oh yes, chemicals, and probably child or forced labor in backstage, and big environmental footprint.
in reply to David Revoy

I'd not ask politely but seek a permanent injunction and damages, but alas it's not my work nor do I not.know the license terms, so the milage if yours may wary.

#NotLegalAdvice

in reply to Kevin Karhan

@kkarhan They don't give you freedom of expression unfortunately on their form to fill a report. It's a form in four steps, asking all about your address, name, email, phone number, company, professional ID, etc... And various way to authentify the copyright ownership of the Intellectual Property.
in reply to David Revoy

ugh I'm so sorry, David.

Temu is such a monster. Run by thieves, for thieves, thriving on the backs of slaves.

Pepper and Carrot deserve better. :(

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in reply to Kyle Blaine

@KyleBlaine Thank you. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. I would still like to thank every young person who appreciates their "Carrot with Heart" T-shirt.
in reply to David Revoy

There are makers and there are takers. We’ve built a system that rewards the takers :(
in reply to Aral Balkan

@aral True.
It's also the first time I see this industry using AI-gen for the photo model and stealing real art on top. Disturbing.
Maybe they are starting to realise that their AI art is hard to sell.
in reply to Aral Balkan

@aral the problem is the justice system, it should be accesible for david to sue them and win such a clear cut case
in reply to El Tico

@ElTico I’m sorry, we are currently unable to approve your usage of the justice system due to insufficient funds in your account.
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in reply to David Revoy

use an LLM to transform your request into aggressive legalese UwU
in reply to Cykonot

@cykonot haha, the 🔥 against 🔥 method 😆
Unfortunately, their forms (long to fill them out) had no room for exercising all my opinion about this seller's activities.
in reply to David Revoy

Ouch... I feel that. Worst thing is, if they're doing it to you they're most certainly doing it to other artists too. :reeEEE: what a shitty move. At least ask for permission or link the artist. But that's a big nogo.
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David Revoy
@generika Yes, that's what I meant by "AI gen" on the post; it's obviously AI generated images.
in reply to David Revoy

this is not ok. In your shoes I would write to Temu Boston headquarters with a cease and desist to allowing your copyrighted work being sold without consent and it breaches your moral right which is the right to be named as the creator, which really means that they have voided the creative commons licence and I'd send an invoice with it for a very large sum. Happy to help. In some instances justice is fought in small steps. It is lovely artwork btw.
in reply to David Revoy

on a related note, David sells shirts too via redbubble redbubble.com/people/davidrevo… so go there if you want a shirt!
in reply to David Revoy

Well that was a wild ride from “he’s got merch!” to “fiddlesticks”.

I see the link to your lovely art, but do you have merch by any chance? As it turns out I need clothes, and it’s a way to support various people whose work I enjoy.:)

in reply to David Revoy

Under which license is the picture from you? But not even giving you credit in the description is disrespectful!
in reply to David Revoy

Même les commentaires sur le site paraissent généré par IA ;-)

Je suis même pas sûr qu’ils en aient vendu autant qu’ils disent : aujourd’hui ils prétendent en avoir vendu + de 800, et il y en a toujours moins d’une vingtaine de disponibles…

Bref c’est quand même un site bien limite. Si on peut déjà en faire de la mauvaise pub, c’est ça de gagné !

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in reply to David Revoy

Temu is terrible for theft. So many artists I know are finding their work for sale on Temu's site.

Another reason no one should buy from Temu imo

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in reply to David Revoy

For the AI side, I'm okay with using it for marketing purposes, but not respecting the CC licensing is Atrous. You should do what you can to get them to obey or ask the @eff guys to help you send the correct legal documents to at least get them to follow the CC liscense.

With that said, I would purchase to verify the quality. Then launch your own limited run T-Shirt and donate the proceeds to a foundation if you don't want to profit from it. So in my eyes I see an opportunity.

in reply to David Revoy

beautiful art, by the way.
Shared it with my sister. For the kids ;-)

Also, my Linux wallpaper changed ;-)

in reply to David Revoy

Quick update: Temu wrote me this morning that they have removed the product:

> "[...] After receiving your infringement notice, we quickly reviewed the submitted materials and removed the infringing content [...] TEMU's stance on infringement aligns with the rights of intellectual property owners because infringement not only harms our shared consumers' interests but also tarnishes TEMU's reputation"

Not what I asked for (I wanted the :cc: :ccby: Attribution), but it's still a win. 🎉

Fell reshared this.

in reply to David Revoy

I mean, they're a platform where "anyone" can sell. If someone violates something, they react automatically.
Dealing with such cases is too expensive, it's all automated.

update: sorry, wrong language ^^"

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in reply to David Revoy

Well, honestly, I think you can be happy they removed it. I wouldn't want to be responsible for any health risks especially when it is clothing for kids. reddit.com/r/ScienceBasedParen…
in reply to David Revoy

A win indeed.

But also a reminder that big platforms don't aim for the right solution, but just a solution which reduces their liability. Temu is known for draconian punishments of sellers for real or perceived harm to them or to customers.

in reply to David Revoy

on a related note, is there a way to buy Pepper & Carrot merch online? 🤔
Or an artbook.
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in reply to David Revoy

You could contact the seller directly on Temu to get the attribution, if it helps you to promote your art under the CC license. I guess you already thought about it for findings in the future..
in reply to David Revoy

Try it again and ask for the :cc: :ccby: Attribution again.
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David Revoy
@Gend4r That is true. Perhaps they are aware of this and are investing in a moderation team to deal with reports quickly.
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David Revoy
@tanavit @Gend4r Tanavit: I don't think the removal was a decision made because of pressure from here (that's what I understand when you write "social media"); just a result (probably semi-automated) of me filling out their long form behind their "report" button.
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@Gend4r
Are people complaining to TEMU or only on social networks ?
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Sylvia Ritter
@aurochs Unfortunately, you will probably only receive contact details from a Chinese company from Temu and because China doesn't acknowledge copyright you won't be able to receive anything. The rules for platforms concerning copyright infringement need an update.
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David Revoy
@tanavit @Gend4r Oh yes, that's a classic. Good point. Here I have the reflex thanks to my years in the Free/Libre and Open-Source community: report the bug first if you can, and complain later about it. 😺
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David Revoy
@aurochs 😂 ha ha, I think I can forget that: it is not even mentioned in the email. This type of product is probably still profitable for both the seller and Temu's percentage commission.
in reply to David Revoy

damn, would be good to buy this and you can earn a little bit of money
in reply to David Revoy

>I wonder how they managed to sell 568 of them

"Oh is that the latest Dave Rave? I'm investing, itt'l be worth millis down the line. Millis!

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Sylvia Ritter
@aurochs They should but in their view and their lawyer's view, they are only a platform and can't be held responsible for third-party content. Therefore we need regulations that shift the responsibility to the platform if their customer doesn't pay for damages.
in reply to David Revoy

@tanavit @Gend4r

(problem is we’ve had so many cases of companies ignoring issues until they’re called out on xitter that people how see that as the default rather than as the second step)