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One of the finest pleasures in life is to discover a complete series of novels as an adult, to devour them through to the end, and to arrive at that end to discover that, while you'd have happily inhabited the author's world for many more volumes, you are *eminently* satisfied with the series' conclusion.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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I just had this experience and I am still basking in the warm glow of having had such a thoroughly fulfilling imaginary demi-life for half a year. I'm speaking of the nine volumes in Naomi Novik's #Temeraire series, which reimagines the #NapoleonicWars in a world that humans share with enormous, powerful, intelligent dragons.

naominovik.com/temeraire/

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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If you are like me, this may not sound like your kind of thing, but please, read on! Novik is a gifted, brilliant storyteller, and even if you, like me, had never read a tale of naval or aerial battles that didn't bore you to tears, you should *absolutely* read these books, because I have never been so gripped by action sequences as I was by Novik's massive military set-pieces.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Likewise, if you're not a fan of dragon fiction - I'm not, though I do enjoy some heroic fantasy - or talking animal stories (ditto), you owe it to yourself to read these books! Novik's dragons straddle the line between fantasy and sf, with decidedly nonmagical, bioscience- and physics-grounded characteristics. In the hands of a lesser writer, this can be deadly, yielding an imaginary creature that is neither fantastic nor believable.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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But Novik's deft handling of her dragons - variegated in biological characteristics, sociological arrangements, and #umwelt - renders them as creatures both majestic *and* relatable, decidedly inhuman in outlook but also intensely likeable characters that you root for (or facepalm over, or sometimes both - a delicious sweet-sour cocktail of emotions!).

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Finally, if you're not a fan of historical fiction - again, as I am not! - you should absolutely get these books. Novik is an exhaustive researcher with a gift for rendering the people and circumstances of the past simultaneously comprehensible and unmistakably *different*, making the past "a different country" indeed, but nevertheless a place whose contours can be firmly grasped and inhabited.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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In other words, Novik has written a work of historical-military fiction with dragons in it that I enjoyed, despite having almost no interest in historical fiction, military fiction, or high fantasy. She did this by means of the simple trick of being consistently and variously brilliant in her execution.

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First, she is brilliant in the themes that run through these nine volumes: the themes of honor, duty and love, and the impossible dilemmas that arise from trying to be true to yourself and others. Captain William Laurence - the sea captain who finds himself abruptly moved into the dragon corps - is a profoundly honorable man, bound by the strictest of mores.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Nominally, Laurence's moral code is shared by his fellow gentlemen and officers, but where most of the world - all the way up to the Lords of the Admiralty - pays lip service to this code, Laurence truly believes in it.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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But there is something of Godel's Incompleteness in Laurence's Georgian morality, in that to be completely true to his ethics, Laurence must - again and again, in ways large and small - also *violate* his ethics, often with the most extreme consequences imaginable at stake.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Novik spends nine volumes destruction-testing Laurence's morality, in a series of hypotheticals of the sort that you could easily spend years arguing over in a philosophy of ethics seminar - but these aren't dry academic questions, they're the stuff of fabulous adventure, great battles, hair's-breadth escapes, and daring rescues.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Next, there is Novik's historicalness, which is broad, deep, and also brilliantly speculative. Novik has painstakingly researched the historical circumstances of all parts of Napoleonic Europe, but also the Inca empire, colonial Africa, settler Australia, late-Qing China, and Meiji Japan.

It would be one thing if Novik merely brought these places and times to life with perfect verisimilitude, but Novik goes further.

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She has reimagined how all of these societies would have developed in the presence of massive, powerful, intelligent dragons - how their power structures would relate to dragons, and how the dragons would have related to colonial conquest.

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The result is both a stage that is set for a Napoleonic War that is recognizable but utterly transformed, a set of social *and* strategic speculations that would make for a brilliant West Point grad seminar or tabletop military strategy game or an anticolonial retelling of imperial conquest, but is, instead, the backdrop for nine exciting, world-spanning novels.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Next, there's Novik's action staging. I have the world's worst sense of direction and geometry. I can stay in a hotel for a week and still get lost every time I try to find my room. I can't read maps. I can't visualize 3D objects or solve jigsaw puzzles. Hell, I can barely *see*. Nevertheless, I was able to follow every twist and turn of Novik's intricate naval/aerial/infantry battles, often with casts of thousands. Not just follow them! I was utterly captivated by them.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Next, there's Novik's ability to juggle her characters. While these novels follow two main characters - William Laurence and the dragon Temeraire - they are joined by *hundreds* of other named characters, from Chinese emperors to the Sapa Inca to Wellington to Napoleon, to say nothing of the dragons, the sea captains, the Japanese lords, the drunken sailors, the brave midshipmen, and so on and so on.

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Each one of these people is distinct, sharply drawn, necessary to the tale, and strongly individuated. I am in awe (and not a little jealous). Wow. Just wow.

Finally, there's Novik's language: the tale is told primarily through Laurence's point of view, which is rendered in mannered, early 19th century English.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Again, this is the kind of thing I usually find either difficult or irritatingly precious or both - but again, it turns out that I just hadn't read anyone who was *really good* at this sort of thing. Novik is *really, really* good at it.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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At the end of one summer, years ago, I ran into Vernor Vinge at a conference and asked him how he was doing. He lit up and told me he'd just had one of the best summers of his adult life, because he'd started it by reading the first #TerryPratchett #Discworld novel, and had discovered, stretching before him, *dozens* more in the series. It was an experience he hadn't enjoyed since he was a boy, discovering the writers that preceded him.

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As I read the Temeraire books, I kept returning to that conversation with Vinge. I listened to the Temeraire books as audiobooks, downloading them from Libro.fm and listening to them on my underwater MP3 player as I swam my daily laps. Simon Vance's narration truly did the series justice, and I could only imagine how complex it must have been for Vance and his director to juggle all the character voices, but they pulled it off beautifully.

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I normally read pretty widely, but almost always within a band of themes, settings and modes that I've specialized in. This can be a very satisfying experience, of course. Last year, I read *dozens* of fantastic books that were in my wheelhouse, for all that that wheelhouse is an extremely large one:

pluralistic.net/2022/12/01/boo…

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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But reading *against* type, outside of one's comfort zone, yields new and distinct delights. The Temeraire series joins the very short list of heroic fantasy novels that I count among my all-time favorites, along with such marvels as Steven Brust's #VladTaltos/#Jhereg series:

memex.craphound.com/2017/10/17…

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Brust is tremblingly close to finishing the Vlad books, which I started reading as a 13 year old and have been devouring ever since. I can't wait for the final volumes to come out, so I can binge-read the whole series from beginning to end.

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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There are so many good new books coming out every month, and it can feel like a disservice to those writers to indulge in backlist reading, but there is a lot to be said for revisiting beloved works of decades gone by. I am *so* glad to have read Temeraire at last - I haven't been this excited to read something I missed the first time around since I read #RedMars 12 years after its initial publication:

memex.craphound.com/2004/05/28…

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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I was already hooked at the description, but hearing that Simon Vance narrates is an extra push!

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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I can't find them on libro.fm. Tried searching by author's name and by first book title (that brought up som interesting results!)
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@baka Starts here libro.fm/audiobooks/9781415940…
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in reply to Cory Doctorow

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Thanks, been offline for a while. Unfortunately in the UK -
"Due to publisher restrictions, this audiobook is unavailable for purchase in your selected country" 😞
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reminds me of reading Susanna Clarke’s “Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell” a couple of years ago, also set during the Napoleonic wars and very much Not My Sort of Thing, but once I got going I couldn’t stop reading. I don’t think I would have even picked it up if Piranesi hadn’t been so good.

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Ok. Got the first book on hold now on my TBR. I have to admit I miss enjoying dragons and historical fic like I did when I was young and Anne McCaffrey was an unproblematic read. Your reviews have warmed my dragon-overloaded soul.
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I am always astonished by Naomi Novik's originality and skill, and enjoyed everything of hers that I have read. Good to see the word getting out about her books. #NaomiNovik
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I bounced off the first book when I first discovered it (I think book 3 had just come out), I think maybe because it DID sound like my bag. I was a huge fan of Patrick O'Brien, Horatio Hornblower, Honor Harrington (Wells's physics of spaceflight were such that it was basically Hornblower in space).

I've read and enjoyed a lot of what she's done since; Spinning Silver is an all time top 5 for me. Maybe I'll give the dragons another try!

in reply to Cory Doctorow

oh no, I think I've fallen behind. Now I'll have to read them all again.
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I'll tell you I love reading this and I'm happy to on Mastodon :) but I'm definitely not going to click "show more" 23 times / kills ability to scan it, it might as well just be one root post linking to the blog. Just me though! Such a good post!
in reply to Colin Megill

@colinmegill
Here's a bookmarklet to open all CW posts in a thread with a single click.

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Sorry, you sound like someone has complained about this before.

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@colinmegill
Here's a bookmarklet to open all CW posts in a thread with a single click.

mamot.fr/@proximacentauri@mstd…


Sorry, you sound like someone has complained about this before.

I made an bookmarklet, that opens all the CWs with single click:

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1. Add it to Bookmark bar
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Maybe you can give this to someone who next complains about this.


in reply to Cory Doctorow

I just downloaded the first audio book . 9hrs I’m excited to try something new!
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I loved this series so much. Everyone I’ve recommended it to tells me the same. I love all of her writing, she’s excellent.
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I recently stumbled onto Novik at the library, and I've loved every minute I've spent with her. There are some great audio books too

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in reply to Cory Doctorow

I also read this series this past year and loved it... Her Scholamance series and stand-alone novels Spinning Silver and Uprooted are some of my all-time favorites and very much worth reading, even if very different than Temeraire.

As satisfying as the ending of the series was, it really made me curious how that would would differ over the following two centuries. I can imagine Ning on social media & having a blog.

(Naomi has an account here at @naominovik)

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@nygren @naominovik I'll also mention there is an excellent audiobook series for these books. I've listened to the first two and Cory's post reminded me to go snag the third from Libby to listen to this week.
in reply to Cory Doctorow

This sounds very similar to the Harry Turtledove 'Darkness' series. Basically a retelling of the events of World War Two in a world where magic and dragons exist. Very different from his other alternate reality history novels.
in reply to Cory Doctorow

@fetner were you sitting at our dining room table last night? We had this exact conversation about discovering Novik and Temeraire. Like you, we discovered it after it had been completed so we were able to devour the books with no delays.

Afterwards we moved onto Uprooted and Spinning Silver. Then the Scholomance series came out. We had to wait for the release of each of those but it was worth it.

Novik is incredibly gifted. Thanks for your column.

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@ldunlop @fetner Uprooted was my first Novik but I’ve since sought out everything else she’s written. When I started the first Temeraire book it felt like pulling on a favourite jumper: it was exactly what I wanted to read.

Somehow Naomi Novik has nailed my particular disposition for the kind of books to read for pleasure. I’m sure many others feel this way, but her talent is that her books never feel generic or gimmicky. They just feel specific

in reply to Cory Doctorow

Well put and I would add that these books are tremendously well suited to reading aloud. Not all good books are, but wow. I just barely discovered this series in time to be able to read it to my children at bedtime. Aloud, the narrative voice reminds me of E Nesbit in its intimate charm and the deep affection for the characters that it evokes. Also Iskierka freaking rocks every scene she is in!
#NaomiNovik #Temeraire

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I loved these books for the same reasons you mention. Except for the trope in Blood of Tyrants I loved everything about the plots of the books, the characters are lovely, the dragons feel so unique and foreign and also just lovely, and the hundreds of supporting characters are magnificent. And she writes beautifully.

I loved the Horatio Hornblower books for similar reasons—and I’m not a military battles kind of reader, either. I wonder if you’d like them.

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@mnot I still feel horribly, unforgivably behind. There are so many people whose books I'd love to read and recommmend!
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I discovered this series a couple years back and really enjoyed it as well!
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I absolutely live Naomi Novik’s books. I also discovered them last year - I started with the first Scholomance book based on a positive review and moved on from there. Spinning Silver and Uprooted are two of the best standalone fantasy novels I’ve ever read. I haven’t read all the Temeraire series yet (I last read book 5) but I’ve really enjoyed each one. It’s truly amazing how well the fusion of different genres works - historical fiction and fantasy.

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Your reflection on this kind of reading experience is so well said that I used it to epigraph this article about #TheExpanse, reading, and growing up in #Toronto, in the new SFF journal @heartlines_spec:

heartlines-spec.com/andromeda-…

(And yes, @naominovik’s #Temeraire now tops my must-read list.)

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Your description sent me running to the library and I am now on the 3rd Temeraire book!