Greta Thunberg kidnapped on Gaza flotilla; videos show Israeli forces hijacking Madleen
Greta Thunberg, in a video posted on social media, said she and other members of the Freedom flotilla en-route to Gaza have been kidnapped by Israeli forces. This comes after the Daily Mail reported that several Israeli vessels surrounded the ship Madleen, prompting the crew to raise an alarm.
Thunberg shared a pre-recorded video appealing for international help. “My name is Greta Thunberg, and I am from Sweden,” she said in the clip. “If you see this video, we are being intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces, or forces that support Israel. I urge all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on the Swedish government to release me and the others as soon as possible.”
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kreskin
in reply to Kirp123 • • •HumanPenguin
in reply to Kirp123 • • •For private citizens yes.
If a nations official forces do it. It is an act of war.
Kirp123
in reply to HumanPenguin • • •Curious to see how the EU and other European countries will respond. One of the people on board is a EU PM.
Besides Greta the boat had people from many other European countries such as France, Spain, Germany and the Netherlands. There are also a Turk and a Brazilian on board.
I really hope the people on board are safe. They don't deserve this.
HumanPenguin
in reply to Kirp123 • • •They will respond politically. And that is all.
The history means every nation in Europe is split to hell on this subject. So what ever action any specific gov takes. Will be the end of that gov. So no gov will have the courage to challenge with anything but diplomacy.
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in reply to RecipeForHate1 • • •they have been murdering activists, journalists, doctors, kids, women, pregnant women for decades. israel was founded by
you thinks these vicious scum care an iota about humanity ?
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Was Jeffrey Epstein a Spy?
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in reply to grue • • •CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •It does but the lobby wouldn't be allowed to exist if Isntreal weren't a useful tool for the US-aligned empire. The lobby is a how, not a why.
I don't think Epstein dirt is that powerful. We live in a post-truth time. Powerful men have been getting away withremoved kids for a long time, see Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin for a less political example.
geneva_convenience
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in reply to CommunistCuddlefish [she/her] • • •CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •hexbear.net/comment/6223363
Isntreal is a military base masquerading as a country.
reaper_cushions [he/him, comrade/them]
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geneva_convenience
in reply to CommunistCuddlefish [she/her] • • •CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to CommunistCuddlefish [she/her] • • •I have. Nobody seems to be able to explain why America is not stopping Israel from committing genocide.
Besides this, Israel is also probably the least reliable 'aircraft carrier' as it has turned on the US to collude with Russia many times in the past. And there is no doubt that Israel will gladly team up with China or Russia if the winds start blowing the other way.
Amnesigenic
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Amnesigenic • • •Because American soft power is getting destroyed. What do you think the 'rules based international order' theater was for? The entire illusion the empire crafted so carefully over the last decades has come crashing down.
military.com/history/jonathan-…
Another great example is Israel explicitly telling Europe they cannot send weapons their weapons Ukraine because they want to stay friends with Russia. Including putting it in the terms for the Israeli Pulse missile system. which many European countries are now buying. Nice ally lmao.
Jonathan Pollard Was One of the Most Damaging Spies in US History
Blake Stilwell (Military.com)Amnesigenic
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Soft power failure does nothing to explain how the US would benefit from suddenly reversing course completely on Israel to oppose this specific genocide.
The article you posted contains no evidence at all to support your claims. At one point it says "Some of his disclosures are said to have ended up in the hands of the Soviet Union, which many believe were traded by Israel to the USSR in exchange for the continued emigration of Soviet Jewish citizens to Israel" but presents no evidence to support that, and links to another article that presents the same claim with also no evidence. Try again.
geneva_convenience
in reply to Amnesigenic • • •Ending the genocide does not mean opposing it. Israel orchestrating it in this way is the dumbest thing possible. Even Hitler had more tact during the Holocaust about hiding his genocide and that's not a compliment for Hitler.
The guy transfered military secrers to Russia.
Also newsweek.com/israel-flagged-to…
Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Document
Jeff Stein (Newsweek)Amnesigenic
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •reaper_cushions [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to zephorah • • •For Germany: Israel is an indulgence for the Holocaust.
For the USA: Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a largely hostile region that is protected by international law.
For the rest of Western Europe: They are vassals of the US, so naturally they don’t want to piss of their daddy.
For everyone else: they don’t want to provoke the US either.
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in reply to Korkki • • •IttihadChe
in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •While their statement is a hyperbolic and reductive statement about only the other side of the symbiotic relationship, we must also not strip Israel of its agency. Also, Israel≠Jews, as much as Israel tries to convince you they are the same.
In the macro scale. Yes, Israel is propped up by the west as a powerful tool against other regional powers and the imperial system funnels funds into their upkeep.
But it's also true that in the micro scale. Politicians are more directly and personally rewarded to keep those funds flowing (AIPAC exists regardless of tropes) and Israel uses the leverage they have as one of the more valuable strategic tools to grant them leeway others wouldn't have.
It's a two way street. Israel and The US/west aren't parasites leeching off one or the other, they're symbiotic.
barrbaric [he/him]
in reply to IttihadChe • • •小莱卡
in reply to Korkki • • •小莱卡
in reply to zephorah • • •it should be fairly obvious to everyone by now. Israel is an extension of the US, their unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east, or as Biden put it "if israel didn't exists, we would have to invent it to protect our interests in the region."
also it's fairly obvious that the "rules based order" is nothing more than a "might makes right order" enforced by the US.
geneva_convenience
in reply to 小莱卡 • • •Biden is the top AIPAC recipient.
The aircraft carrier story is nothing more than a cheap excuse. The real reason US politicians support Israel is because of the AIPAC lobby bribing them and the Epstein tapes they are on.
davel
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •You really need to let this go. US imperialism is not a “cheap excuse,” nor are Christian Zionists. Every time you dismiss the hegemonic US’ agency and falsely lay all the blame on Israel, you’re feeding into antisemitic tropes.
MarxMadness
in reply to davel • • •It's simultaneously:
The U.S. is predominantly running the show, but Israel has agency too, and its state policy involves filtering out U.S. politicians who might oppose its interests as early as possible. This includes a massive amount of pro-Israel propaganda intended for mainstream consumption, harassing professors at colleges, etc.
geneva_convenience
in reply to davel • • •Nope. If anything people should have been completely convinced by now that I am right over the past 20 months. The 'aircraft carrier' is the cheap excuse from the same guy who destroyed the US global reputation so Israel can do genocide.
Are we watching the US and Europe destroying their entire reputation so Israel can do a genocide or not? Nobody can explain this away with convenience factor. This genocide is in no way beneficial to the empire.
Christian Zionists such as Genocide Joe are indeed also a reason this is happening, but they too do not support Israel for any pragmatic cause which would benefit the empire such as being an aircraft carrier.
Countries such as Egypt, UAE and Saudi are infinitely more obedient than Israel which does things like the USS liberty and selling American secrets to Russia.
ComradeRat [he/him, they/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •They want the Gaza Marine Gas field. They don't want the financial risk of the Palestinian people attacking the facilities and transportation.
geneva_convenience
in reply to ComradeRat [he/him, they/them] • • •Then they would have cleansed all the Palestinians into Egypt at the start.
There is nothing worse for the reputation of Israel and the West than getting these types of headlines every single day because they had to be literal cartoon villains and shoot 30 Palestinians trying to find food at an aid point.
If this ends with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which it might, doing it at day 600 instead of day 30 makes absolutely no sense.
It is not the negative news, but the repetition of negative news which sticks in people's heads.
IttihadChe
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Nakoichi [they/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Nah this is not the hill you should be dying on. This is literally ahistorical non materialist analysis with a dose of antisemitism.
Where do you think the Israel lobby gets its funding lmao.
小莱卡
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to 小莱卡 • • •The American hegemony runs on soft power and American exceptionalism. Showing other nations that they can... starve women and children in a concentration camp... is not what I would call a "great showing of might".
Even the MIC sales in Gaza are not that huge. Ukraine is making the MIC tonnes more money while the Western hegemony fully believes it is doing the right thing.
Gaza is the dumbest and least significant hill to die on for the empire. But it dead set to die on it.
小莱卡
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to 小莱卡 • • •No the US empire has many ties with other countries in order to allow their bases to be there.
USAID and all the other mass propaganda outlets and mainstream news networks have a purpose. Whitewash the empire.
If you are on Lemmygrad, that should be known to you.
Also, the empire just took the L from the Taliban. So in terms of hard power, nobody is really impressed anyways. A show of hard power would be if they got Ukraine to win the war. Not a genocide against women and children lmao
Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
in reply to 小莱卡 • • •merc
in reply to zephorah • • •Do you mean governments or people?
People don't have much power here. Other than boycotts, what can people do?
For governments, Israel is fairly powerful. They have powerful lobbyists, and aren't shy to leverage claims of antisemitism against anybody who speaks up against Israel. In many cases, there's also the guilt over how jews were treated in WWII. This is one reason Germany is so incredibly pro-Israel. Then there's the fact that Israel is still more-or-less a democracy, which makes it unique in the middle east. It's the one country in the region pushing back against various Islamic fundamentalist goverments, movements and terrorist groups. Many countries don't want to lose that "friend".
And then there's spyware. Most of the best spyware in the world is produced in Israel. Some cynical people would say that countries don't want to lose access to the world's best producer of spyware. Some even more cynical people would say that that spyware has already been used on politicians and Israel is using it for blackmail. Who knows what the right level of cynicism is.
Thesilverpig
in reply to merc • • •0x0
in reply to merc • • •How many are still alive? That excuse has long expired.
You can thank the CIA for that.
merc
in reply to 0x0 • • •It's not individual guilt, it's institutional guilt. In many other cases that's a good thing. We want German kids to grow up learning about the holocaust and thinking "we can't allow that to ever happen again". I don't think what's happening in Gaza could happen in Germany because of what Germans are taught growing up.
OTOH, in Israel they seem to only be taught that jews are victims and can never be perpetrators.
Yeah, they were involved. They were saving the world from the dangers of communism. Looking back, all the west really had to do was sit back and wait for the communist system to collapse. But, I wonder what the middle east would look like without the CIA's interference. It sure seems unlikely it would be a land of healthy, stable democracies. Look at all the places where the CIA didn't interfere. Countries ruled by strongmen is the rule rather than the exception.
But, however we got here, that has been Israe
... show moreIt's not individual guilt, it's institutional guilt. In many other cases that's a good thing. We want German kids to grow up learning about the holocaust and thinking "we can't allow that to ever happen again". I don't think what's happening in Gaza could happen in Germany because of what Germans are taught growing up.
OTOH, in Israel they seem to only be taught that jews are victims and can never be perpetrators.
Yeah, they were involved. They were saving the world from the dangers of communism. Looking back, all the west really had to do was sit back and wait for the communist system to collapse. But, I wonder what the middle east would look like without the CIA's interference. It sure seems unlikely it would be a land of healthy, stable democracies. Look at all the places where the CIA didn't interfere. Countries ruled by strongmen is the rule rather than the exception.
But, however we got here, that has been Israel's traditional role. It was a democratic country with somewhat similar values to the west, nestled among Islamic Arab countries with very different values.
0x0
in reply to merc • • •I think they kind of overdid it 'cos know they activelly defend nazis...
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in reply to lorty • • •IttihadChe
in reply to melsaskca • • •We have always lived under "might makes right". Ask any country that has been under the boot of western imperialism.
This is just the collapse of the charade of "rule of law" as the stranglehold of the western might begins to slip.
BestBouclettes
in reply to lorty • • •RealSpiderLane
in reply to BestBouclettes • • •Was gonna say, they’ve not been given any reason to care about international law.
Although, I swear I saw that the ICC put out a warrant for Bibi.
0x0
in reply to RealSpiderLane • • •Like the UN: nice, noble... toothless.
geneva_convenience
in reply to kreskin • • •At no point would the boat enter Israeli waters. Only Palestinian waters.
The illegal Israeli sea blockade is illegal for reason: it is not their water.
shadowfax13
in reply to kreskin • • •this country is run and heavily populated with most vile criminals ever to exist
when contemplating about what they are capable of, then think of them as the most disgusting mexican drug cartel not a country of law and human decency.
kreskin
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in reply to kreskin • • •Anomalocaris
in reply to kreskin • • •there's no "legally" what, they enter Gaza territoral waters, only gaza has authority to regulate it's territorial waters.
Israel has no right to control Gaza's waters.
Korkki
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •They will toss the aid to the wood chipper and laugh about it, won't they...
Aedis
in reply to Korkki • • •Nah they'll actually dangle the food in front of starving people to draw a crowd and then bomb them.
Fucking monsters.
SirQuack
in reply to Aedis • • •It's not a war crime, it was a warning bomb.
Fucking genocidal assholes
Kuori [she/her]
in reply to Korkki • • •of course not. they'll use it to lure in more starving people to massacre
death to israel
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in reply to Korkki • • •This is like someone with a micropenis criticizing the genitals of a kitten.
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in reply to pH3ra • • •MNByChoice
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •She was no dummy. But was always going to die this way.
(I only assume she is dead.)
Count Regal Inkwell
in reply to MNByChoice • • •Yeah I admire Greta, but anyone who's been paying attention had to know this would eventually happen.
Punch enough knife-tips and you'll get cut. Greta wouldn't shut up and wouldn't sell out, now she's going to die a lot.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •RealSpiderLane
in reply to PastafARRian • • •She had a pre recorded “please help us because IDF kidnapped us” video. They wanted this exact response and knew they would get it.
Even North Korea are less predictable than this.
PastafARRian
in reply to RealSpiderLane • • •CXORA
in reply to RealSpiderLane • • •0x0
in reply to RealSpiderLane • • •I guess israel still gives some credit to international opinion and deemed the rich white brat a relevant human better kept alive.
HiddenLayer555
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •#BringThemHome
Good thing Sweden isn't Israel or else they'd have bombed their hospitals already.
WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Fedizen
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in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to Hotrod54chevy • • •People KNOW! They are just racist and don't care about the victims in Gaza.
We need another approach. The world no longer cares how many bodies it pilles
rumimevlevi
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •Independence, sovereignty, just making it as hard as possible to kill and oppress.
Overall, never play by their rules. You will never get anything done by begging the psychopaths in charge to stop hurting you. Telling them how much you are suffering, only spurs them on. You can't count on democracy or the goodness of people either. There is no law and order.
Gaza is probably doomed. You have to prepare yourself to defend your own life.
rumimevlevi
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •That's not within the average joe and activists power to do
rumimevlevi
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •1 - She want too
2 - Israel has no right to arrest people in a ship in international water
WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •There's better ways to kill yourself than being in the hands of Israel. It's such a cruel fate for someone like her.
She would have been more useful elsewhere too.
rumimevlevi
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •rumimevlevi
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •Those behind nearly everything bad happening in the world is the United Snake in the last half century . Not to whitewash Russian and China evilness in history
Dying for Ukraine or for Palestine or any other occupied land is a noble death that require lot of courage
WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •Allero
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •So, she just chose one of two most cruel conflicts. Arguably, Palestinians face an even worse fate, with an extensive humanitarian crisis, than even the Ukrainians.
Why do you specifically choose Ukraine over Palestine?
WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to Allero • • •Ithorian
Unknown parent • • •ieatpwns
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Unknown parent • • •Vupperware
Unknown parent • • •They abducted her in international waters. Don’t try to legitimize that. They stopped her on the basis of trafficking weapons to Hamas. Israel and Egypt acknowledge that stopping humanitarian aid in international waters is a violation of their treaty, and yet Israel did it anyways.
If you try to rationalize this type of behavior, what else do you rationalize?
You should look into the atrocities that have been committed at Israel/Us “aid” checkpoints, specifically the massacre of innocent, starving people.
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in reply to Madison420 • • •Madison420
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Raping? Really? It's a war it's literally the thing we've been doing since the beginning of time.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual…
Again, it's a war we likely won't know the full extent of anything really but to take the basic assumption that any combatant force doesn't have rapists would be both contrary to history and basic statistics.
Sexual assaults committed by Hamas terrorists against Israeli women and girls
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in reply to MJKee9 • • •davel
in reply to Madison420 • • •- 2024-01-28: New York Times Puts “Daily” Episode on Ice Amid Internal Firestorm Over Hamas Sexual Violence Article
- 2024-02-28: “Between the Hammer and the Anvil”: The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé
- 2024-03-04: Kibbutz Be’eri Rejects Story in New York Times October 7 Exposé: “They Were Not Sexually Abused”
- 2024-04-18: New York Times Brass Moves to Staunch Leaks Over Gaza Coverage
Madison420
in reply to davel • • •It's one example which was highly publicized.
If you're under the impression either side isn't raping you're absolutely fooling yourself. One side isn't actively in the process of genociding stick with that instead of whatabouting rape and murder since both sides do that in every war just generally in different degrees/quantities.
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in reply to Madison420 • • •Madison420
in reply to BrainInABox • • •You responded to it, you may not like it but it is a source. Sexual assault and rape are known factors in war, saying either side isn't is statistically improbable so add basic math to that source list.
I'm not saying either is good I'm just saying rape is a real weird attempt at moral high ground in a conflict both are accused of sexual assault and rape in. And if we're being tedious their question also implies the worth of the person is based on their job which is fun.
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in reply to Madison420 • • •Madison420
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Uh huh, don't let reality stop those dreams.
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in reply to Madison420 • • •Madison420
in reply to BrainInABox • • •davel
in reply to Madison420 • • •.
Motte-and-bailey argument
type of informal fallacy
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