US Bill proposed to jail people who download Deepseek
Senator Hawley Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek
According to the language of the proposed bill, people who download AI models from China could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both.Emanuel Maiberg (404 Media)
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in reply to JOMusic • • •Good thing I've just accepted a faculty position outside the US.
I'll get to move to a country that doesn't persecute academics and I think I'm just beating the crowds on the way out.
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in reply to thevoidzero • • •The position is in Germany. It might be out of the frying pan and into the fire given Germany's right wing rise, but that's happening across the western nations and we're all in trouble.
I don't have a ton of advice for you. I defended over 10 years ago, so I'm moving straight into a tenured/permanent position as senior faculty. For an ABD, I'm not sure what the landscape looks like these days.
If you want to make the move, start talking to people. Reach out to people publishing in your field and talk shop. Collaborate with them, talk about the future, and be willing to take a postdoc (or german system W1) position. It's more ramen and a small bedroom, but it's one where there's healthcare and civil rights.
Academia (and most professions) are all about networks. Talk with people, collaborate, and grow that network. Something will come along.
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in reply to thevoidzero • • •My university in Germany operates entirely in English. The academic world is very international so it often falls back to English to support the faculty and students. Issues in the community will also be run through the university news routes, so while I've been learning German, I'll also have a big resource with my work community.
There's a few places to check for positions. I interviewed in Ireland and Scotland as well (didn't get the jobs). There's also Australia and new Zealand hiding out there. Or Canada. Hell, Mexico has a great university system you could look into.
Your PhD does open new doors. It's by no means a guarantee of a faculty spot, but it's valued so you can leverage it.
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This skill is increasingly useful.
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in reply to lordnikon • • •Can a model be open source? Dont we need the data it was trained on to truly be able to reproduce, understand and modify it?
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in reply to prenatal_confusion • • •No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSee… I can get the models from huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/Dee… and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSee… I can get the models from huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/Dee… and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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GitHub - deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3
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in reply to lordnikon • • •Okay let's talk terminology
I meant the useable application as a for example chat bot.
The model itself is useful as far as it enables me to understand the underlying logic of the whole thing right? But without the data and I guess a training period with it I can't use it if I understood it correctly.
If I am right with the above this wouldnt make it useful as in I can reproduce it as a functioning application and I wouldn't call that opensourve in my understanding of the word.
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in reply to prenatal_confusion • • •Now does that make it open source?
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in reply to prenatal_confusion • • •sure a model could theoretically be open source, but in this case that source would be 1) the software to train the model and 2) the training data, and good fucking luck getting either of those honestly.
the AI sphere has co-opted the term "open source" because it sounds nice, what they actually mean is just "a free copy", a free copy of deepseek is available for download.
They seem to be able to fiddle a lot with the models, but in the end calling it open source is just blatantly not fucking true.
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in reply to JOMusic • • •they want to jail people who use Deepseek
but not people who use Tiktok or Xiaohongshu
XHS has been out for weeks longer than Deepseek yet no action
this means that Deepseek is way more important and Sam Altman or someone else has tremendous power over the US government compared to facebook/google executives?
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Unknown parent • • •The Nazis were also extremely incompetent when I came to stuff like this. Hitler had generals scrambling behind his back to produce their best weapon, but he kept finding out and making them stop along with tons of other micromanaging.
Trump is an idiot and so is musk. Most business people are short sighted and fascists even more. They also may be high on their own farts and think the system won't collapse with them "in charge" like a toddler left in s room full of candles and napalm.
Not saying that foreign powers aren't loving this, but they don't have to have control over it.
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in reply to JOMusic • • •For people who see this, I think they meant "last month."
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in reply to JOMusic • • •oh, these third world dictatorships with no consideration for individual freedoms and human rights...
no, wait.
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in reply to JOMusic • • •So we've gone from banning books to banning apps.
So I'd get less for stabbing someone.
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in reply to GooseFinger • • •There are probably a few other mirror sites, but for now I think you could try out with this, until the law is passed and comes into effect.
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in reply to jaschen • • •Do you have a source on Taiwan banning the local model? I only see this:
thehackernews.com/2025/02/taiw…
Taiwan Bans DeepSeek AI Over National Security Concerns, Citing Data Leakage Risks
The Hacker Newsr.EndTimes
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in reply to JOMusic • • •Well, we do have ex post facto protection for the moment, soooo...
Yeah I have it on every device I own now.
No reason to use it ever, but it's there. Like, not installed, but there.