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in reply to compostgoblin

Of course it wasn't the hijackers the real ~~hero's~~ heroes were the CIA Agents who planted the bombs that actually took down the twin towers.😂😂😂😂😂😂
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in reply to Anna

Heroes! Stop using the fucking apostrophe to pluralize.
in reply to ninjabard

Technically apostrophes can be used to replace omitted letters and/or sounds. So it's not completely incorrect.
in reply to corsicanguppy

Don't always be pedantic when what was being said was still easily understood.

It's stupid

in reply to compostgoblin

The ultimate cause was US “national interests,” which have only ever been the interests of the the oligarchs who run the country. They have always run the country. “National security” does not secure anyone’s safety; it secures the profits of imperialists. The Department of Homeland Security isn’t protecting us, it is cranking up the police state to protect the capitalist class from the working class revolting against grinding neoliberalism.
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in reply to davel

I can’t like this post or the pic enough. Hard af. I’ve been shouting this from the rooftops since 2001.
in reply to davel

The boomerangs subtly implying the real truth of the matter - that the Australians were behind it all along! No wonder "the Bush" was involved!
in reply to davel

But for real though, Osama benefitted from Western Imperialism and was directly motivated by religious scripture, not his socioeconomic position.
in reply to feedum_sneedson

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in reply to davel

I'm aware - I think we disagree on which is the proximate and which is the ultimate cause.
in reply to feedum_sneedson

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in reply to AnneVolin

My friend, how are you so knowledgeable, I'm an avid fan of history and geopolitics. Do did you learn from books, articles, papers or just alot of digging and curiosity?
in reply to shezznazz

It's a combination of books, news sources, and some formal education. I was lucky that my highschool still heavily invested in humanities before I went off to a stupid ass tech collage. Beyond that I am constantly researching things because I'm weird. So when people pull up reasons that are fairly well documented quite literally easily sourced on wikipedia of all places it's incredibly easy for me to remember and reference them.
in reply to feedum_sneedson

Why did he constantly talk about how the attacks were politically motivated? What is the basis for claiming that he was motivated by religion?
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in reply to davel

The hijackers were motivated by slaughtering the infidel and entry into the afterlife, having spent far too much time in mosques. Bin Laden was motivated by an ideology borne of cultural hatred of the West and secularism.

I know I know, you're from the LARP instance, so it's tempting to believe US foreign policy is behind literally everything bad, but the world is just more complex than that ✈️🏢🏢

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in reply to Tregetour

but the world is more complex than that


Proceeds to give the absolute most naive surface level interpretation

Ok then.

in reply to Tregetour

Oooh so close! You're almost there. Just one more step.

Who put those extremists into power by overthrowing middle east democracies? Who funded them?

in reply to Olhonestjim

9/11 has nothing to do with the US overthrow of foreign governments. The US didn't make bin Laden into what he became, bin Laden did. The guy was an egomaniac bedazzled by his own bullshit. The notion that the attacks were reeeaaally about oil access or regime change or economic disparity as opposed to bloodyminded religious zealotry is a lie.
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in reply to Tregetour

The notion that the attacks were reeeaaally about oil access or regime change or economic disparity as opposed to bloodyminded religious zealotry is a lie.


I love it when dummies who made up their own history fight strawmen of other dummies who made up their own history instead of you know, reading.

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in reply to Tregetour

My guy do you struggle wirh reading comprehensive, he asked who funded the terrorists and extremism groups that came to power. Wanna know how iran became anti west when historically its the most liberal and urbanised muslim majority nation period.
"bin Laden did. The guy was an egomaniac bedazzled by his own bullshit" what bullshit would that be? You must think you're so smart and know geo politics yet come here insulting others giving the most peewee American propaganda bs. So you're conclusion "world is more complex than America doing all bad, but at same time Osama waa bloodyminded religious zealotry"
in reply to shezznazz

Latuff created his dopey comic because he knows his left-wing audiences want confirmation of their political biases. There's nothing wrong with that. We all seek it on occasion. But what crimes the US is and is not guilty of has virtually no bearing on the fact that 19 muslim men literally took up box cutters against passenger airliners as a profession of their faith. The hijackers didn't care about bin Laden's politics, they saw an opportunity to kill infidels and they took it. They certainly didn't care about Iran Contra or Mosadegh or fucking Halliburton profiteering, and they certainly didn't become fundamentalists because of those things.

The wikipedia links are stunningly impertinent. The charts contexually lame. Muslim fundamentalism is the cause of the 9/11 attacks; no ackchually-tier insistence on proximate versus ultimate cause is necessary.

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in reply to Tregetour

Again. You're not showing off you're capacity intelligence or critical thinking if you think 19 different men from various countries wirh a billionaire formerly cia asset Saudi billionaire leading them all for... Islam? I'm a former Muslim, so this is something I know alot of, but please dumb dumb, explain how they did it for "profession of their faith"
Did the IRA bomb London because of their Catholic estremist ways too? My god, I could make a fake news site right now, populate it with bullshit, and of 8 billion people, i know you specifically would find my site and believe whatever crap people say online
in reply to Tregetour

you’re from the LARP instance


Ah yes, no one could ever have a serious issue with U.S. foreign policy

in reply to Tregetour

You’re the one removing material reality from the picture and chalking it up to a culturo-religious clash of ideas. You’re the one simplifying things down vibes.

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Infographic: US military presence around the world The US controls about 750 bases in at least 80 countries worldwide and spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined.

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in reply to davel

That's a fantastic list of sources on the reality of US Imperialism. Saved
in reply to davel

Thanks for the links! I never knew about second thought. Now I'm sufficiently angry at work watching them lol
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Viking_Hippie
According to the IDF it is.
in reply to compostgoblin

Never forget this terrible 9/11 with 3000 victims..... in Chile 1973 U.S.-backed coup against leftist President Salvador Allende, democratic elected, to create an bloody dictatorship with the US friendly Pinochet. Never forget.
in reply to Zerush

Cheers Volker.
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in reply to Zerush

I think they are referencing this Clip from Volker Pisper (first Minute).

in reply to Orangenkuchen

Although I know some German cabaret artists, I didn't know this one. Here in Spain we have others. Chile 9/11 is widely known in Spanish speaking countries and mentioned shortly after US 9/11 in different publications.
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in reply to compostgoblin

I'm more offended by the shit spelling of "heroes".

And I was nearby NYC on that day and watched the second tower fall (largely as a shape in the smoke and particulate cloud).

in reply to corsicanguppy

Actually they misspelled 'ware', they're talking about who the nation's biggest hero is afraid of.
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PeriodicallyPedantic
You almost got the joke. You were right there
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Owl
I believe they’re speaking of all the medical workers, firefighters etc…
in reply to Owl

The OOP yes, the person who shared this here is suggesting the terrorists were almost heroes, but not quite.
in reply to compostgoblin

I think he meant Bush for saying that Christmas shopping was a patriotic duty
in reply to compostgoblin

Killing innocent people === HERO

Because the best way to stop US imperialism is to drag them into and/or start a war that only prospered US imperialism.

I am not even anti US imperialism but this is retard logic

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in reply to K̺͆e̺͆t̺͆a̺͆m̺͆i̺͆n̺͆e̺͆

Because the best way to stop US imperialism is to drag them into and/or start a war


Citations Needed podcast: Episode 13: The Always Stumbling US Empire “Stumbling”, “sliding”, “drawn into” war––the media frequently assumes the US is bumbling its way around the world. The idea that the United States operates in “good faith” is taken for granted for most of the American press while war is always portrayed as something that happens to the US, not something it seeks out.

I am not even anti US imperialism


Well see, there’s your problem.

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in reply to compostgoblin

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the real heroes that day; the first responders who are still dealing with the consequences of helping en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health…
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in reply to Jessica

They're heroes until they ask for help on their medical bills. After that they're just freeloading degenerates.