Same as always, world and ml are competing to see who can fling the most shit. Whats most funny is that in a sense theyre both right and complete idiots. Ml accuses world of being genocide supporting imperialist NeoLibs (which isn't exactly wrong), while world accuses ml of being tankies (not completely wrong either).
Okay but in post A, people from B won’t chime in, and conversely for things posted to B.
I guess instance C can make posts where both people from A and B can chime in. So would people in instance A be able to talk to people in instance B in the instance C’s comment section? Cause A people don’t want to hear from B people.
So we would still see less active posts as interactions would go down.
Given your concern. I would recommend joining a instance with as few defederations as possible and blocking instances yourself. You don't need a admin to determine what you want or need to see with your experience here on lemmy.
Block instances/communities/users yourself and make it how you want. Or not. It's your lemmy, use it how you wish. Peace.
That's because they feed off each other: the liberals throw lots of shit at the wall in the hopes of driving up their engagement from their large but inactive user base while the leftists engage on their own; this creates an environment where the tiny subset of the most active liberals are left alone w the leftists and theyre predisposed to hate tankies, hence the drama.
Aren’t liberals and leftists the same thing? Everyone seems to agree that capitalism is bad, the government should provide more social services, our democratic leaders suck (but we should vote for them anyway because republicans are worse), etc.
Honestly Lemmy seems more like a circlejerk than a divide, the only divide I see is how far we need to go to fix/destroy the system. I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative voice, which is pretty surprising considering Trump apparently won the popular vote, and I’d expect I’d at least see someone from the other side.
Liberalism is the ideological component of Capitalism. It supports things like private property and whatnot, so Capitalist ideologies typically fall under its umbrella.
Leftism is a broad anticapitalist categorization of ideologies like Marxism and Anarchism.
What you describe as "everyone" is the more progressive side of liberalism, but not leftists. Leftists go farther and say that to fix those issues, we need Marxism or Anarchism, generally.
Defenestrate corporate media framing. There are no advertisers to market social media “engagement” to. We are not the product. In fact there is no product, just as there is no customer.
Ideally content is properly cross posted. But no big deal if not.
Hopefully some day people can view "shitposting" "All" and be able to see shitposting communities no matter their instance. (Minus those they defederate of course)
Is this one of those things where lemmy users "remember" things that happened to hexbear, or are you telling me that the dbzero admins also got themselves banned from .ml and dessalines also decided not to defed?
Hexbear is federated with dbzer0, I have no idea why you think otherwise. They banned the admins for being Anticommunist, but left it federated because Hexbear is pro-piracy and there are cool dbzer0 users
I think it's just lemmy.world, and they actually aren't defederated from dbzer0, they just blocked the piracy community specifically. I think dbzer0 is pretty much fully federated with all the major servers except for lemmygrad. With .world blocking the piracy community, it only affects their users, dbzer0 users can still participate in any lemmy.world content.
If everyone on .world just blocked a handful of people, the issue would disappear. It's mostly a small number of shitheads using a common "enemy" for attention and power.
Engagement is just "emotional involvement or commitment", it's not necessarily "corporate media framing". Capitalist platforms abuse this for profit (as they do with everything good), hopefully we can use it to create stronger communities.
Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
I’m pretty progressive leaning and just joined .world because I had no idea what lemmy was and was tired of reddit but I thought it didn’t matter what one you joined since you can see all the other instances correct? Or am I wrong here, like if I go to All it shows pose from all instances? Have been curious why I have seen so much far left as in comrade leftist post so I guess that adds up if .world is where they mainly hang out. But again I still don’t completely understand lemmy but I enjoy it more than reddit
Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can't see any of that content and the other island's users can't comment.
Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can't see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your "All" feed doesn't show anything from them.
Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that's part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.
Wait did world defederare from ml after all? I thought it hadn’t. Because people keep complaining about ml and I still see memes.ml and comments from ml users. Or is it one of these things where federation works in ways that are more complex than most of us assume? Is it that the other instances defederated from world? But I’ve seen ml users comment on my comments. Argh federarion is confusing…
What exactly are instances? I picked one at random that claimed to be "general purpose" because I didn't know what I was doing (I migrated very recently)
Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren't defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then inter
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Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren't defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then interact with other instances.
Wait....you can browse instances without making an account??? Whoops, lol, I guess I was a little too eager to get Boost for Lemmy working with an account of my own immediately following Boost for Reddit getting nuked.
Is there a good way to browse instances? (Particularly through Boost?)
Also, what are the instances.... literally? Like, I've never seen social media have groups like this (tied to the account, and separate from the communities, that is)
Yep, you can browse instances just by visiting their sites! It's how I signed up to the couple I use, not sure how Boost handles it, I just use my mobile web browser (Hexbear has emojis you can use if you use the web version, so I just use that). I am sorry about not knowing Boost specifically, my fiancé uses Voyager.
As for what instances literally are, they are their own websites and servers, but they can talk to each other, think email. Gmail can talk to protonmail, etc
Yep! There's also a bunch of inter-instance drama too, but by and large it's a much better experience than Reddit, and if all else fails you can find an instance you really like and just browse locally, avoiding most of that drama. A big source of that drama is generally along political lines, Lemmy generally has 3 camps: Marxists, Anarchists, and Liberals, and each instance is more or less friendly with each of those, or hostile to them, so picking an instance that generally aligns with your views will dramatically smooth out your experience.
There's currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the "official" community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
Yes! It's a sad, sad world. It mostly has to do with people's political opinions on moderators, i.e. ".ml are tankies" and ".world are right-wing normie fascists" or something like that. I have never — literally never — witnessed a .ml mod doing something I thought was bad. I have also seen only one tankie since I joined .ml. I have witnessed some kind of conflict between .world and .ml everytime single time I open Lemmy though. Kind of depressing. I wish we could make less of a deal of an issue that, all things considered, seems pretty small. Ah well, that aside, Lemmy is still great, it will just take time to mature — like all social platforms in their beginnings!
The other day I was on all and ended up reading a comment chain and saw something like "Cuba is a democracy, and for proof just look at the official website of the central party."
I found it ridiculous to essentially say "Doug is a skilled electrician, for proof look at this note Doug wrote saying he's a skilled electrician."
This made me a dirty shitlib (I guess the instance I signed up on makes me a liberal). The reaction seemed intense so I checked and it was .ml, so I assume it's a rivalry thing.
You'll see me venting and shitting on eg conservatives but I don't go around calling people these things. You probably don't either. But clearly there are users categorizing us into labels and associating us with our instances regardless of merit.
I'm not complaining, I'm giving you a relevant example of where these labels come from. It's .ml and .world and I just don't have any recent memory of this on .world. I'm sure there's an example or two, just not recent.
I was silent because I wasn't sure what people were saying. I don't think people who disagree with what I say are necessarily misinformed, or less intelligent, or mean. So it comes down to how I am certain people (including you) know that what is written on paper and what flows in reality are not 1:1 matches. But they tell me something they wouldn't accept if they were in my shoes.
Maybe that skepticism sounds ridiculous? But if structure is important and reality can be different and everyone knows this I think it's odd to see officially meaningless official material in the room. Why can't we throw it out?
Edit: imagine we're pointing out that America is controlled by billionaires and someone links the official site saying "No, it's still three branches and the will of the people." You toss it immediately.
To speak of the Cuban system, it's important to recognize that your skepticism almost certainly originates in perceptions formed by Western media. The structure itself is honest, it's what they literally have. Whether or not this is sufficient, or working well, is a separate argument, but not the one you made. Your argument seemed to be that we can't even trust the Cuban government to report on its own legal structures, which is as silly as saying going and looking up US legal code could be fake because we don't trust the US government.
What reasoning did you have to distrust the Cuban government on its own structures? What source would have been better and thus more reliable for you? No source is free from bias, but things like legal structures tend to be fairly straightforward. Now, if I were linking an article where the Cuban government was talking about how its democratic structure is the best in the world, that leans heavily into opinionated territory and the bias shines through more clearly. However, again, we were talking about the literal structure,
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To speak of the Cuban system, it's important to recognize that your skepticism almost certainly originates in perceptions formed by Western media. The structure itself is honest, it's what they literally have. Whether or not this is sufficient, or working well, is a separate argument, but not the one you made. Your argument seemed to be that we can't even trust the Cuban government to report on its own legal structures, which is as silly as saying going and looking up US legal code could be fake because we don't trust the US government.
What reasoning did you have to distrust the Cuban government on its own structures? What source would have been better and thus more reliable for you? No source is free from bias, but things like legal structures tend to be fairly straightforward. Now, if I were linking an article where the Cuban government was talking about how its democratic structure is the best in the world, that leans heavily into opinionated territory and the bias shines through more clearly. However, again, we were talking about the literal structure, which is evidently democratic.
I think I'm mixing up your statement of a basic datum, the way Cuba is written to be, with the idea that it's indicative of what you'll likely find. Hence, I was skeptical of the utility of using the written system as meaningful to the statement that Cuba was democratic. Like if people are going to talk about that, I assume it's not a technicality they are referring to, they are talking about real people living in a real country... so what good is the official parties word on how things are operating?
Also didn't even realize you were the same person from the other thread, didn't mean to show up here and bother you.
Quick correction: you didn't bother me, I saw you commenting here about the meme I posted and wanted to set the record straight on my end. I am a different person from the one you initially replied to on this thread, so no worries.
As for Cuba, there is a large variance in what people who think Cuba isn't democratic actually believe. There are many people who think they don't even have elections, or are otherwise entirely unfamiliar with the Cuban electoral structure. For these people, looking at what the Cuban government says about its structure is massive, there's really no reason not to trust their stated legal structure as reality just like there isn't much reason to think US legal code isn't reality either.
Once we are aligned on structure, then we can talk about how well the structure performs, or what hang-ups it may or may not have. Once everyone knows at least what the Cuban system is, then we can discuss how it works in practice. Without evidence of the system not working well, though, all that remains as a negative opinion
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Quick correction: you didn't bother me, I saw you commenting here about the meme I posted and wanted to set the record straight on my end. I am a different person from the one you initially replied to on this thread, so no worries.
As for Cuba, there is a large variance in what people who think Cuba isn't democratic actually believe. There are many people who think they don't even have elections, or are otherwise entirely unfamiliar with the Cuban electoral structure. For these people, looking at what the Cuban government says about its structure is massive, there's really no reason not to trust their stated legal structure as reality just like there isn't much reason to think US legal code isn't reality either.
Once we are aligned on structure, then we can talk about how well the structure performs, or what hang-ups it may or may not have. Once everyone knows at least what the Cuban system is, then we can discuss how it works in practice. Without evidence of the system not working well, though, all that remains as a negative opinion on Cuba is through the lens of a media apparatus under the control of an Imperialist regime that seeks to recolonize Cuba.
Does that make sense? To use your own example, I would trust DPRK legal code to be enforced as it says it is, the effectiveness or net results are what can be debated on.
It might help people to see some local journalistic coverage of Cuban elections. Seeing the kinds of things Cubans say publicly about and during the elections can give people a more intuitive understanding of what Cuban democracy is actually like for the people participating in it, as well as start to reveal the outlines of the overton window there.
Journalism is my preferred medium for understanding the political landscape of other countries; for an example I like to watch friendlyjordies on youtube for a peek into Australian politics. I'm not sure if it would be very easy to find English translated Cuban sources though.
Like I said I was starting on "step 2" where you start with internal + external analyses = a result. A system is what is written and what is lived, I just assume it's where we start in politics / economics / whatever. What is prescribed is a simple data point. That's why I looked at the statements "Cuba is X, for proof here's the governments website" as absurd. I didn't realize people were speaking about hypotheticals, and reacted at the idea that someone would use that kind of logic to explain how something functions in reality.
Pretty much the same for me. I've seen many posts and comments complaining about those kinds of things from .ml and .world; but close to zero of the actual behaviour that people complain about.
I don't give a fuck. I know .ml and .world don't get along. I know that people disliked hexbear (they are pretty silent, dunno if they changed policies). I want everyone to be here.
You could at least try to be civil. I am still curious as to what your original reply meant though. Are you calling me centrist? I am communist, how in the world could I simultaneously be centrist? Furthermore, I wasn't — as far as I'm aware — stating any kind of political opinion with my original reply.
Please, I beg you, elaborate. I would appreciate that a lot more than jumping to conclusions.
It kinda pisses me off tbh. It's like that friend that has to keep telling you how boring the movie is when you're just trying to sit and watch it. Like, stfu and go away then, stop trying to be a crab on the bucket for the rest of us.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It's a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
Every wall I've seen from you has been very informative. Sometimes additional context is needed for a complex topic/point to make sense and as concise as you may try to be, the question deserves a longer answer. Besides walls of text are a meme at this point and we must stick with tradition!
The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.
Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It's so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It's also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that... /s
It’s so inefficient to have these different instances defederating from one another. We should prevent defederation and make it illegal to have redundant instances.
There should be a Chief Efficiency Overlord to make all this happen.
Blahaj can start fostering an inclusive community and stop legitimizing trolls whenever they want drama to stop
Edit: Anyone who's seen what happens when mods legitimize trolls knows it kills communities. I wish i could have stayed on blahaj but it's just as toxic as reddit lgbtq spaces now...
Fighting trolls should not be done by invalidating neopronouns, speak to anyone that uses neopronouns and they'll likely tell you that it quickly cascades into witch hunting.
Not sure I agree as it seems like black and white thinking.
I.e. I could imagine a scenario where someone is very obviously/admits to using neopronouns disingenuously and that would break my social contract with them to honour it.
If I make an assessment of neopronoun usage on a case by case basis I can still avoid witch hunts. It’s similar to how I determine in real life if someone is an asshole or not.
Another way; I can support a person who I genuinely believe uses neopronouns while denouncing and excluding someone who doesn’t.
It is a very tricky slope. It's best to never compromise on neopronoun usage even with suspected trolls, they can be discredited without erasing the pronouns.
One of the nice things about Lemmy is that people are willing to actually discuss things with multiple sentences and even paragraphs (gasp) rather than it being a fire hose of quips and one-liners.
The microblogging format is truly awful. I've seen professors and incredibly smart writers get into childish feuds with each other, because the format almost encourages it by rewarding dunks and gotchas.
Forcing people to try to communicate over text without paragraphs, or any way to make themselves more clear, is not a good system.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
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Grandwolf319
in reply to aradgus • • •If instance A and B block each other, can a user on instance C still see all the posts from B and A?
What worries me is the drop in posts if things fracture.
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Jyek
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in reply to Jyek • • •Okay but in post A, people from B won’t chime in, and conversely for things posted to B.
I guess instance C can make posts where both people from A and B can chime in. So would people in instance A be able to talk to people in instance B in the instance C’s comment section? Cause A people don’t want to hear from B people.
So we would still see less active posts as interactions would go down.
Jyek
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in reply to Jyek • • •hidden?UltraGiGaGigantic
in reply to Grandwolf319 • • •Given your concern. I would recommend joining a instance with as few defederations as possible and blocking instances yourself. You don't need a admin to determine what you want or need to see with your experience here on lemmy.
Block instances/communities/users yourself and make it how you want. Or not. It's your lemmy, use it how you wish. Peace.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Aren’t liberals and leftists the same thing? Everyone seems to agree that capitalism is bad, the government should provide more social services, our democratic leaders suck (but we should vote for them anyway because republicans are worse), etc.
Honestly Lemmy seems more like a circlejerk than a divide, the only divide I see is how far we need to go to fix/destroy the system. I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative voice, which is pretty surprising considering Trump apparently won the popular vote, and I’d expect I’d at least see someone from the other side.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to knexcar • • •Liberalism is the ideological component of Capitalism. It supports things like private property and whatnot, so Capitalist ideologies typically fall under its umbrella.
Leftism is a broad anticapitalist categorization of ideologies like Marxism and Anarchism.
What you describe as "everyone" is the more progressive side of liberalism, but not leftists. Leftists go farther and say that to fix those issues, we need Marxism or Anarchism, generally.
davel
Unknown parent • • •Defenestrate corporate media framing. There are no advertisers to market social media “engagement” to. We are not the product. In fact there is no product, just as there is no customer.
badhops
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in reply to NigelFrobisher • • •Ideally content is properly cross posted. But no big deal if not.
Hopefully some day people can view "shitposting" "All" and be able to see shitposting communities no matter their instance. (Minus those they defederate of course)
jol
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alcoholicorn
in reply to FeelThePower • • •.ml banning the dbzero admin instead of defederating will never not be funny.
"The users are fine, it's just the admin"
ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to aradgus • • •Lemmy.today is one of the most drama-free instances.
Just go and explore whatever of Lemmy you want.
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UltraGiGaGigantic
in reply to aradgus • • •Solidarity amongst all instances.
Our fediverse comrades.
Chemical Wonka
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AlexWIWA
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in reply to aradgus • • •There was a good comment by @pjwestin@lemmy.world the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:
onlooker
in reply to Elgenzay • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to onlooker • • •Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
That's it. Some users make it a fight.
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Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to YippieKyeAy • • •Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can't see any of that content and the other island's users can't comment.
Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can't see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your "All" feed doesn't show anything from them.
Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that's part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.
gcheliotis
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •eldavi
in reply to gcheliotis • • •there are multiple instances whose domains end in .ml. lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml and the ones that i'm aware of.
lemmy.ml is the primary instance where Lemmy was (and is) originally developed from and that's usually what they're referring to when they say .ml
Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to YippieKyeAy • • •Fatur_New
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •For me, "slight liberal leaning" is more appropriate for them
Codeviper828
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Codeviper828 • • •Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren't defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then inter
... show moreInstances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren't defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then interact with other instances.
Codeviper828
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Wait....you can browse instances without making an account??? Whoops, lol, I guess I was a little too eager to get Boost for Lemmy working with an account of my own immediately following Boost for Reddit getting nuked.
Is there a good way to browse instances? (Particularly through Boost?)
Also, what are the instances.... literally? Like, I've never seen social media have groups like this (tied to the account, and separate from the communities, that is)
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Codeviper828 • • •Yep, you can browse instances just by visiting their sites! It's how I signed up to the couple I use, not sure how Boost handles it, I just use my mobile web browser (Hexbear has emojis you can use if you use the web version, so I just use that). I am sorry about not knowing Boost specifically, my fiancé uses Voyager.
As for what instances literally are, they are their own websites and servers, but they can talk to each other, think email. Gmail can talk to protonmail, etc
Codeviper828
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Codeviper828 • • •Yep! There's also a bunch of inter-instance drama too, but by and large it's a much better experience than Reddit, and if all else fails you can find an instance you really like and just browse locally, avoiding most of that drama. A big source of that drama is generally along political lines, Lemmy generally has 3 camps: Marxists, Anarchists, and Liberals, and each instance is more or less friendly with each of those, or hostile to them, so picking an instance that generally aligns with your views will dramatically smooth out your experience.
I recommend sorting this server browser by "most active" and checking each out locally.
Lemmy - Browse servers
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in reply to Codeviper828 • • •NutWrench
in reply to onlooker • • •There's currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the "official" community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
drascus
in reply to aradgus • • •Übercomplicated
in reply to drascus • • •mhague
in reply to Übercomplicated • • •The other day I was on all and ended up reading a comment chain and saw something like "Cuba is a democracy, and for proof just look at the official website of the central party."
I found it ridiculous to essentially say "Doug is a skilled electrician, for proof look at this note Doug wrote saying he's a skilled electrician."
This made me a dirty shitlib (I guess the instance I signed up on makes me a liberal). The reaction seemed intense so I checked and it was .ml, so I assume it's a rivalry thing.
You'll see me venting and shitting on eg conservatives but I don't go around calling people these things. You probably don't either. But clearly there are users categorizing us into labels and associating us with our instances regardless of merit.
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Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to mhague • • •You were given the official outline on how Cuban Democracy works. What genuine reason do you have to not trust the structure reported? It isn't in dispute or anything. Further, there were other non-cuban sources listed on that thread. When you were asked what source would count as valid for you, you were silent, but now you're complaining in an entirely different thread, which is kinda funny.
It wasn't your instance, it was your attitude.
How do elections work in Cuba?
en.granma.cumhague
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •I'm not complaining, I'm giving you a relevant example of where these labels come from. It's .ml and .world and I just don't have any recent memory of this on .world. I'm sure there's an example or two, just not recent.
I was silent because I wasn't sure what people were saying. I don't think people who disagree with what I say are necessarily misinformed, or less intelligent, or mean. So it comes down to how I am certain people (including you) know that what is written on paper and what flows in reality are not 1:1 matches. But they tell me something they wouldn't accept if they were in my shoes.
Maybe that skepticism sounds ridiculous? But if structure is important and reality can be different and everyone knows this I think it's odd to see officially meaningless official material in the room. Why can't we throw it out?
Edit: imagine we're pointing out that America is controlled by billionaires and someone links the official site saying "No, it's still three branches and the will of the people." You toss it immediately.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to mhague • • •To speak of the Cuban system, it's important to recognize that your skepticism almost certainly originates in perceptions formed by Western media. The structure itself is honest, it's what they literally have. Whether or not this is sufficient, or working well, is a separate argument, but not the one you made. Your argument seemed to be that we can't even trust the Cuban government to report on its own legal structures, which is as silly as saying going and looking up US legal code could be fake because we don't trust the US government.
What reasoning did you have to distrust the Cuban government on its own structures? What source would have been better and thus more reliable for you? No source is free from bias, but things like legal structures tend to be fairly straightforward. Now, if I were linking an article where the Cuban government was talking about how its democratic structure is the best in the world, that leans heavily into opinionated territory and the bias shines through more clearly. However, again, we were talking about the literal structure,
... show moreTo speak of the Cuban system, it's important to recognize that your skepticism almost certainly originates in perceptions formed by Western media. The structure itself is honest, it's what they literally have. Whether or not this is sufficient, or working well, is a separate argument, but not the one you made. Your argument seemed to be that we can't even trust the Cuban government to report on its own legal structures, which is as silly as saying going and looking up US legal code could be fake because we don't trust the US government.
What reasoning did you have to distrust the Cuban government on its own structures? What source would have been better and thus more reliable for you? No source is free from bias, but things like legal structures tend to be fairly straightforward. Now, if I were linking an article where the Cuban government was talking about how its democratic structure is the best in the world, that leans heavily into opinionated territory and the bias shines through more clearly. However, again, we were talking about the literal structure, which is evidently democratic.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •I think I'm mixing up your statement of a basic datum, the way Cuba is written to be, with the idea that it's indicative of what you'll likely find. Hence, I was skeptical of the utility of using the written system as meaningful to the statement that Cuba was democratic. Like if people are going to talk about that, I assume it's not a technicality they are referring to, they are talking about real people living in a real country... so what good is the official parties word on how things are operating?
Also didn't even realize you were the same person from the other thread, didn't mean to show up here and bother you.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to mhague • • •Quick correction: you didn't bother me, I saw you commenting here about the meme I posted and wanted to set the record straight on my end. I am a different person from the one you initially replied to on this thread, so no worries.
As for Cuba, there is a large variance in what people who think Cuba isn't democratic actually believe. There are many people who think they don't even have elections, or are otherwise entirely unfamiliar with the Cuban electoral structure. For these people, looking at what the Cuban government says about its structure is massive, there's really no reason not to trust their stated legal structure as reality just like there isn't much reason to think US legal code isn't reality either.
Once we are aligned on structure, then we can talk about how well the structure performs, or what hang-ups it may or may not have. Once everyone knows at least what the Cuban system is, then we can discuss how it works in practice. Without evidence of the system not working well, though, all that remains as a negative opinion
... show moreQuick correction: you didn't bother me, I saw you commenting here about the meme I posted and wanted to set the record straight on my end. I am a different person from the one you initially replied to on this thread, so no worries.
As for Cuba, there is a large variance in what people who think Cuba isn't democratic actually believe. There are many people who think they don't even have elections, or are otherwise entirely unfamiliar with the Cuban electoral structure. For these people, looking at what the Cuban government says about its structure is massive, there's really no reason not to trust their stated legal structure as reality just like there isn't much reason to think US legal code isn't reality either.
Once we are aligned on structure, then we can talk about how well the structure performs, or what hang-ups it may or may not have. Once everyone knows at least what the Cuban system is, then we can discuss how it works in practice. Without evidence of the system not working well, though, all that remains as a negative opinion on Cuba is through the lens of a media apparatus under the control of an Imperialist regime that seeks to recolonize Cuba.
Does that make sense? To use your own example, I would trust DPRK legal code to be enforced as it says it is, the effectiveness or net results are what can be debated on.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •It might help people to see some local journalistic coverage of Cuban elections. Seeing the kinds of things Cubans say publicly about and during the elections can give people a more intuitive understanding of what Cuban democracy is actually like for the people participating in it, as well as start to reveal the outlines of the overton window there.
Journalism is my preferred medium for understanding the political landscape of other countries; for an example I like to watch friendlyjordies on youtube for a peek into Australian politics. I'm not sure if it would be very easy to find English translated Cuban sources though.
Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to aradgus • • •Übercomplicated
Unknown parent • • •Would you care to elaborate?
Edit: Well, to be fair, I could have paragraphed a little more effectively.
Übercomplicated
Unknown parent • • •You could at least try to be civil. I am still curious as to what your original reply meant though. Are you calling me centrist? I am communist, how in the world could I simultaneously be centrist? Furthermore, I wasn't — as far as I'm aware — stating any kind of political opinion with my original reply.
Please, I beg you, elaborate. I would appreciate that a lot more than jumping to conclusions.
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in reply to Lenny • • •- YouTube
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in reply to aramova • • •mortemtyrannis
in reply to surph_ninja • • •Mods will always be a problem.
I’ve yet to encounter a well adjusted human who voluntarily mods.
surph_ninja
in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •mortemtyrannis
in reply to surph_ninja • • •My preference is for completely community moderated platform.
People essentially vote for content moderation. Likely susceptible to gamification but I’m still interested in seeing it in practice.
surph_ninja
in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •PriorityMotif
in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •MeowZedong
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Confirmed, Cowbee is an AI but with good takes!
Fr though, are you really a leftist if you don't respond with a wall of text occasionally?
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to MeowZedong • • •Noooo you found it out....
But fair, lol. I've been trying to cut back on the walls and get to the point more, lol
sytone
in reply to aradgus • • •Martineski
in reply to sytone • • •volodya_ilich
in reply to Martineski • • •NutWrench
in reply to sytone • • •Yes.
federation-checker.vercel.app/
This link lets you type in an Instance name and it will tell you what other Instances allow it and which ones block it.
imaqtpie
in reply to NutWrench • • •There's also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.
defed.xyz/
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It's a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
@Martineski pinging you
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •intensely_human
in reply to aradgus • • •sozesoze
in reply to intensely_human • • •NigelFrobisher
in reply to sozesoze • • •intensely_human
in reply to NigelFrobisher • • •It’s so inefficient to have these different instances defederating from one another. We should prevent defederation and make it illegal to have redundant instances.
There should be a Chief Efficiency Overlord to make all this happen.
SoftTeeth
in reply to aradgus • • •Blahaj can start fostering an inclusive community and stop legitimizing trolls whenever they want drama to stop
Edit: Anyone who's seen what happens when mods legitimize trolls knows it kills communities. I wish i could have stayed on blahaj but it's just as toxic as reddit lgbtq spaces now...
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to SoftTeeth • • •mortemtyrannis
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in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •mortemtyrannis
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Not sure I agree as it seems like black and white thinking.
I.e. I could imagine a scenario where someone is very obviously/admits to using neopronouns disingenuously and that would break my social contract with them to honour it.
If I make an assessment of neopronoun usage on a case by case basis I can still avoid witch hunts. It’s similar to how I determine in real life if someone is an asshole or not.
Another way; I can support a person who I genuinely believe uses neopronouns while denouncing and excluding someone who doesn’t.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •SoftTeeth
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in reply to SoftTeeth • • •davel
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •It’s just basic maffs, Cowbee:
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to davel • • •davel
in reply to SoftTeeth • • •SoftTeeth
in reply to davel • • •Hi again Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Also why was your davel ml and hexbear accounts banned from so many places for "Defense of pedophilia"?
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Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to Empricorn • • •As a Dutchman representing the Dutch, we fully agree with the statement made.
Obligatory: G E K O L O N I S E E R D
LiveLM
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in reply to Zink • • •broadcast medium
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in reply to aradgus • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to MidWestKhagan • • •Dessalines
in reply to davel • • •The microblogging format is truly awful. I've seen professors and incredibly smart writers get into childish feuds with each other, because the format almost encourages it by rewarding dunks and gotchas.
Forcing people to try to communicate over text without paragraphs, or any way to make themselves more clear, is not a good system.
Sujit
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in reply to aradgus • • •Thank you. Spot on.
I’m also seeing bizarre infiltrations of instances by likely paid teams of saboteurs who know exactly how to deFed the federated.