#AI is going to kill us, but not in the typical scifi way: robots with laserguns or control over nuclear bombs
That's too flashy. It will be far more mundane
It's going to kill us via the firehose of falsehood
The tricky part:
The problem is not making people believe lies
The problem is making us so cynical, we disbelieve truth
In a world where nothing is trusted as true, and only bias remains, this will lead us down familiar societal paths of mob "truth" over real trusted evidence
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Look at this picture
What do you see?
Context:
The picture blew up on social media because it depicts police outside the Louvre, which experienced a spectacular theft of Napoleonic jewels, which seems like a detail right out of Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes... and so... et voila... the frisson of this picture is remarkable
Is the picture real? Or is it #AI?
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Ganbatte
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to James Wells • • •James Wells
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC
No, the man is wearing five layers of clothing and a tie... Only Chump and kleptomaniacs do that while pretending to be a tourist. No, he stole the jewels.
@benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James Wells • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to James Wells • • •@nikatjef He's just a very typical Parisian dapper working as an assistant in a law firm.
You see what happened? Cultural bias between our interpretations ...
@benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Indeed. I see that as a laughing, but not rolling on the floor laughing emoji... But what do I know, I just learned that what I called the chocolate ice cream emoji means something else.💩
@NatureMC
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Now here is the problem
Because #AI fakes have trained you about "too good to be true" scenes, you immediately distrust the picture above
*That* is the problem
Where before a picture was a picture, now, for everyone, there is the bias of distrust. We, buried in cynicism now, distrust first, and discard evidence *on the bias of 'too good to be true'*
Here is another picture from the same scene by the same photographer (Thibault Camus, a photographer for The Associated Press):
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❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •"someone else altered it"
"the lighting is too perfect"
"it's not #AI it's photoshop"
etc
maybe the picture is real?
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To be honest, I don't care
The picture is a prop for my point here:
*It's not about whether or not the picture is real or fake, it's about how we distrust everything now*
Pointless insipid endless arguments about real v fake... what is that replacing?
On far more important issues in the world
And that can be manipulated
Meta-deception
Deception, about deception
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •There's many multiple layers here
A picture, concerning a heist with deception... if that picture's a deception. Based on a preconception about fictional masters of deception. And the implications of it all about how we are becoming victims of #AI deception. Or, more deeply- how our biases about being deceived by lies, deceives us from seeing the truth: boomeranging self-deception
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🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Hah! Fooled you but good! I was suspicious of pictures *before* AI. (I work closely with Photoshop experts, see.)
Now *that* is how to be cynical!
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •It'll be far more simple. Humans are extremely vulnerable to the power of suggestion. The AI will simply over time gain our trust and then convince us to kill ourselves.
We'll all willingly walk to death camps and check in.
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Hypolite Petovan
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@Ben Royce 🏳️⚧️ 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 I've seen this picture in Instagram captioned with "This is the detective in charge of the Louvre heist". My partner showed it to me and I said "This doesn't look too unlikely for someone in Paris to be dressed like this but it is unlikely this would be the detective. After looking at the comment of the post, bingo, nothing to do with the police but the picture seems authentic.
Not everybody has someone who's lived a few years in Paris to debunk such a blatant piece of misinformation to gather likes on a commercial social platform though.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Hypolite Petovan • • •@hypolite
and, correct me if i'm wrong, but these are people leaving the museum, which was closed when this picture was taken?
so i would guess, as if i were a detective, that this is an employee
if you work in an art museum, dapper historical dress does not seem at all out of line with your profession
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in reply to Jack Yan (甄爵恩) • • •@jackyan
indeed. i loved his performance in "lupin"
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MFennVT
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •*nod* There's a line between critical thinking and cynicism. One of the things that stuck with me from my time in film school was realizing that every photo, every scene composition is biased. What is the photographer/filmmaker choosing to focus on, and what are they choosing to ignore/hide? I think this is important to keep in mind when taking in any kind of media. But the underlying assumption is there is some truth to discover.
Deciding there is no truth leads to nihilism.
Flipper 🐬🏳️🌈
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I wrote an essay a short while ago (comparing Darwin and Nietzsche), a short essay but it took me a decent amount of effort, reading the Descent of Man and the Genealogy of Morals from real, unabridged, paper books, and thinking hard about how to structure my argument. Submitted it.
I got a 1 star peer review with the single word of feedback: gpt.
I mean: just fuck that guy. But yeah: we now distrust what we see and read. Perhaps I used too many em-dashes?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Flipper 🐬🏳️🌈 • • •@flipper
uggh
and now extrapolate:
everyone approaching everything from the point of view of "fake" if they don't like it
Bence Varga
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in reply to Bence Varga • • •and now on social media, there are no such safeguards
but the most insidious part is not the fakes
it is this generalized "i don't trust anything"
even truth
and that will have consequences
already has
run_atalanta 😷💯
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Or is it photoshop? Or CGI? or "staged" ?
Without a photographer credit, it can be a number of "faked" sources. and even a staged photo, is not a true depiction of "the actual event."
These "re-enactment" crime shows have twisted everyone's expectation of (actual) Journalism.
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to run_atalanta 😷💯 • • •@run_atalanta AP *always* shows photographer's credits and the photographer of this photo even talked about how he accidentally made it.
The dangerous step follows in social media when people share crude or weird stories using such photos. Then you can't check it, context lacks, also the source. You have to decide yourself. And in that moment happens what @benroyce is explaining so well.
ShadSterling
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •yeah but that can be faked
and i remember arguments from the beginning of cell phones and social media how this was shared, and then this was used to stalk people. so everyone from cell phone manufacturers to social media companies and individuals began turning all of this off
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •@ShadSterling @NatureMC @run_atalanta
i don't understand though. i can go into the metadata of a picture of someone peeing on my mom's flowers, and have it say "picture taken by Shad Sterling." are you talking about some sort of cryptographic scheme? i don't think we have anything like that. the industry would have to come up with a standard, then people would have to buy into it. plenty will go "well i don't trust this. what if the cops use it against me? seems like surveillance"
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to ShadSterling • • •@ShadSterling Just a tip: if you follow @Bellingcat and watch their website, you can see how complicated it is even for specialized investigative journalists to check deepfakes.
The days when one method was enough are over. You need a whole range of tools plus crowdsourcing, including special software. And shortly after a security mechanism is invented, it can already be cracked. We are far beyond "one person" checks and one easy method.
@benroyce @run_atalanta
ShadSterling
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •@ShadSterling @NatureMC @Bellingcat @run_atalanta
because the sourcing information can be faked
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •@ShadSterling @NatureMC @Bellingcat @run_atalanta
well you have one channel, the image, which can be faked
then you have another channel, the source, which can be faked
so you're adding a layer, but... what does it add?
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •of course citing sources means something to me
here is a picture of me at niagara falls, published by the associated press
because the associated press published it
here is a picture of me at the louvre with napoleonic jewels, published by the associated press
because the metadata says so
except the metadata is faked, the ap never published it
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •then you follow the link, and it goes 404, or to an unrelated picture, or to a local pizza place, or to a related picture, but you can see it is different, etc
and so you know it's fake
ShadSterling
in reply to ShadSterling • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •@ShadSterling @NatureMC @Bellingcat @run_atalanta
i don't understand. by writing this comment you realize the faker's problem. they can't link to a source. therefore, they can't prove it's not fake
not being able to get a link for a fake post is exactly the whole point
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to ShadSterling • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •"but metadata"
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shad probably has an "original" jackson pollock hanging on their wall, and the deed to "authentic" ownership of the brooklyn bridge framed next to it
ShadSterling
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ShadSterling • • •you're very busy proposing a concept that is full of shit, and are very offended when people calmly point out the problems with what you're saying
since politeness doesn't pay any dividends, i'm fine with going full send on the indecency
The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@ShadSterling @NatureMC @run_atalanta I remember the days when simply by viewing the EXIF metadata on a social media post, you could sometimes precisely geolocate where a pic was taken. Potentially very dangerous if the pic was, for example, a family barbecue in the subject's own back garden.
Stalkers were exploiting this to track victims.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉 • • •@ApostateEnglishman @ShadSterling @NatureMC @run_atalanta
now they just have all that data, and more, via the social media app and the phone os
now the only stalker is the surveillance state
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉 • • •The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @ShadSterling @run_atalanta Exactly. This is why objections to security and privacy typically come from a place of extreme privilege - from folks who, being so comfortable in life, simply can't imagine living in a world where the powers-that-be work against them.
Even within the Western nations, governments being able to track our every move is a lot scarier if you're not in the dominant social group, or are an activist working against the prevailing political climate.
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉 • • •@ApostateEnglishman You nailed it. Plus: most people have a quite bad media literacy about personal rights and security.
When I see social media photos exposing single persons at nokings protests and some people debate: but she was on the street, so she's public! - No, she has to be asked if you may take a photo, and you have to ask, if you may publish it in X or Y.
That starts in normal cozy life. Example: in our museum you can take photos of everything
@benroyce @run_atalanta
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta
for the oct 18 no kings i took a bunch of photos of people and published them here
every single photo of mine was precluded with a question: "can i take your picture?" or not, if the people were far enough away
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@ApostateEnglishman but - personal rights - not of people (exception big masses, from behind, or allowed). When people are angry about that law I explain to them: Imagine someone takes a photo of you for Twitter, I can easily find out the place. And your wife learns from this photo that you met with your lover. Or let's have a war and you hide here. What happens if the enemy can learn about the front behind? If they target the bomb for the museum?
People
@benroyce @run_atalanta
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@ApostateEnglishman don't think about it. And they can't (don't want) to imagine how a single photo can bring someone to prison in a dictatorship.
@benroyce @run_atalanta
Gentleman Technologist
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta ok, but I can take a photo of a street scene, and automatically upload it to (e.g.) Google photos, where it can be accessed by (e.g.) the FBI, who can determine that one of the people in that photo is “of interest” and my innocent photo is suddenly the key identifying data that leads to their arrest and persecution.
I’m confused about what needs to happen here and how this works.
Gentleman Technologist
in reply to Gentleman Technologist • • •@NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta I mean, obviously (e.g.) Google Photos is in the wrong, because they’re giving access to my photos to (e.g.) the FBI, but I took the photo. I am the copyright holder for this photo, it’s my property and therefore my responsibility.
How do we negotiate this? Our laws were made when taking a photo was a rare deliberate act. Now it’s like breathing. People take hundreds of photos daily
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Gentleman Technologist • • •@GentlemanTech I'm not a lawyer and I don't know the laws of your country.
"It's like breathing" is no argument. You would never say: "So many people are breaking into the Louvre": even if many do it, the law exists. 😉
Personal right in Europe means: if you photograph a person who is recognisable or isolated from a homogeneous mass, you need the permission of this person to take photographs and publish them. It's called 'model release' (a lot of
@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @run_atalanta
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@GentlemanTech info and templates in the internet). This personal right has nothing to do with copyright. If you have the model release, everything is ok for you (therefore, many make it by signature).
And the law exists for private persons posting on social media as well a for professional photographs.
If you don't want to endanger people in certain situations: blur or pixelate faces or use emojis, if you are interested in the sign that the person
@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @run_atalanta
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •i would register one exception:
if someone is committing a crime, or simply just harassing you or someone else, especially someone in an official capacity, you should photo or video them without any approval or authorization
which makes the whole masked ICE goons thing so vile
Gentleman Technologist
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta ok so is that an actual exemption? “The general mass of people “
Walk in any street in London and you’ll be captured by half a dozen CCTV cameras without signing any kind of model release or permission.
Stand near any tourist attraction anywhere for 20 seconds and you’ll be captured by 100 photos that are uploaded to Google/Apple photos without your permission or knowledge.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Gentleman Technologist • • •@GentlemanTech @NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta
well i think petra is talking about responsible photography. that is, the kind practiced by us
but yes, the surveillance state doesn't give a fuck
Anthony 🇦🇺🦘🐨🪃🌟🕯🏏🧩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ozzelot
in reply to Anthony 🇦🇺🦘🐨🪃🌟🕯🏏🧩 • • •And background details (windows, lamps...)
@benroyce
~* Spooky Sarah *~
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •is the guy in the suit like the super skilled detective who's going to crack the case wide open? He's definitely dressed like the main character.
I assume it's a real photo and that dude isn't photoshopped into it because at least one of the guys dressed like a cop seems to be looking at him.
James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •No, no, no. The words are;
"Look at this photograph, every time I do it makes me laugh"
🤣
Dannyboyguyman
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •"The problem is not making people believe lies
The problem is making us all so cynical, we disbelieve truth"
This is exactly why fascists lie about everything and I think an important insight to compare 'AI' and our fascist moment
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Mason Loring Bliss
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
Unknown parent • • •2/2 This is just a personal note on this one photo itself - I don't want to disturb your very informative thread! You show very well how it works.
And unfortunately, prejudices, expectations and clichés affect not only the photos themselves, but also the stories and fake news in social media. (BTW, I professionally distrust every content in social media, and check it or trust people - even before AI existed).
So thanks for the thread!
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC
the point is not whether it's real or fake
the point is we wind up arguing about it
instead of doing anything about a topic *someone doesn't want us doing anything about*
it's the trick of flooding the zone, the gish gallop, the firehose of falsehood, etc:
wear us down, disengage us. make us doubt everything. fill us with cynicism, unwilling and unable to act
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Roknrol
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Make us stop caring about identifying the truth.
@NatureMC
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in reply to Roknrol • • •@roknrol @NatureMC
exactly the point of such meta-deception
the point is not to lie to us
the point is to wear us down and we stop caring, and passively accept
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Jan
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •This reminds me of the term "liar’s dividend":
cambridge.org/core/journals/am…
In short: It's when people claim that something is fake, although it's real, especially, when the false claim benefits them.
The Liar’s Dividend: Can Politicians Claim Misinformation to Evade Accountability? | American Political Science Review | Cambridge Core
Cambridge CoreShaltiar
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Unknown parent • • •Matt Blaze
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Unknown parent • • •@NatureMC
we need you now more than ever
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@NatureMC @nikatjef
you and James are working together, in cahoots!
you took my point about silly arguments, and then you faked a silly argument, drawing me in and making me believe it is real, all to demonstrate to me i can be a victim on my own point about deception about what can be trusted about what is real!
this is an outrage!
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James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •We planned it that way. I mean, we didn't buy it sounds cooler to say we planned it, so I am gonna run with it.
@NatureMC
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James Wells • • •@nikatjef @NatureMC
wait a second
are you deceiving me about my accusation of deception?
that's ok
because i am in fact right now deceiving you about me believing your deception about my accusation of deception, which is on the topic of meta-deception
it's a little deceptive
🤭
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to James Wells • • •@nikatjef Yes, it was a French-US conspiracy inspired by Miss Marple whom you can see on the second photo. 😎 🤭 😂
@benroyce
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in reply to Seán Fenian • • •Probably a good point to mention that I'm playing around right now with an LLM-based, uh ... interactive story mobile app, I guess. I wanted a first-hand look to see how good it is at adapting on the fly, handling curve balls I toss it, simulating plausibly-human reactions and interaction.
And the short answer is, scarily damn good. After playing with it a little I can easily understand why lonely, lost people out there who feel they have nobody to turn to are listening to what their "AI girlfriends" tell them.
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amazing photo!
Tormod
in reply to Seán Fenian • • •We were always at peace with the Broligarchs.
Magical Cat
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •To be precise, deny existence of objective truth at all. "Everybody are lying!" ™️ is the main pitch of Kremlin propaganda.
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FediThing
in reply to Magical Cat • • •@koteisaev
I've seen so many far right people say essentially this: "everyone is just going on faith, so it's okay for me to believe what I want"
It's like they're disowning objective reality, because it might get in the way of their self-contradicting fantasies.
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Magical Cat
in reply to FediThing • • •May be this is a "mental self-defence" trick, like "whoa the thing I believe so hard is a piece of bullshit infinitely far from facts?! Then let it be worse for facts! There is no facts!!!111" then [screeching] and all these Netflix-level special effects.
And it was exploited by Surkov's "post-modernism vulgaris" & kremlin Goebelses 2.0
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in reply to FediThing • • •FediThing
in reply to Grumble 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 • • •@grumble209 @koteisaev
That's a really good way of putting it.
Perhaps the people most in touch with reality are those with the least amount of privilege 😞
This might explain a lot of problems in society.
Urzl
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❝ The problem is not making people believe lies.
The problem is making us so cynical, we disbelieve truth ❞
this is how they believe they can hijack ALL OF HISTORY. life doesn’t work like that though.
knowledge is a social contract because language is a set of rules and agreements.
they need to break all social contracts to impose their new social order. that’s why what they are waging is war, not just social but on every aspect society, cultures, civilization and Life.
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Sounds familiar to Americans who have been exposed to talk radio and fox faux news...
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I agree on almost all points. I have two comments though.
A) We have been too trusting of pictures for too long. Not trusting one and challenging it, is the natural state of things and the right thing to do.
B) Almost everyone makes this mistake. Status quo. Your extrapolation is correct based on status quo but in reality we will do the following:
1) Identify the problem - you just have
2) Create something new to fix the problem
We are going to go back to the 80’s style of having a trusted source. We just haven’t invented the mechanism yet.
mrflash818
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Unknown parent • • •in the us i believe the legal standard is:
done in public, fair game for photography/ video
this doesn't stop cops from going after people filming them
or aggressive assholes going "you don't have my permission!"
of course if it is in private all consent must be given. if it isn't you are open to a lawsuit
but again, this is about us: i will always ask permission. it's considerate (unless i'm filming an aggressive asshole)
Gentleman Technologist
Unknown parent • • •@NatureMC @ApostateEnglishman @run_atalanta thanks for the info, but does anyone actually get prosecuted for this any more?
There are laws on the books saying it’s illegal to drive cattle over London bridge on a Sunday (or something like that). Is this in the same territory as that?
I can imagine the conversation if I’m caught in someone else’s selfie and want them to delete the picture because I didn’t give consent.
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •new headcanon: Idiocracy is a Terminator movie, but the machines were pacifists. They didn't need to kill the humans - instead they just LLM'd them into increasing levels of stupidity until the humans were no threat to their world domination.
The machines went off to some other part of the planet to do their thing in peace while the humans rotted in their piles of garbage and drank Brawndo.
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it's a perfectly sound premise
we can imprint on AI all the malice we want, but the real source is the plutocrats controlling it
James Wells
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Doesn't GPT-8a come before GPT-7?. It's OpenAI so it could be any order, but I am pretty sure 8 comes before 7.
Just to be sure, I asked GPT-5 and it confirmed it for me.
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in reply to James Wells • • •David J. Atkinson
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •A big part of the challenge is deciding WHO to trust as well as the object of trust. Human society requires trustworthy, authoritative figures. People whose word can reasonably be accepted. Today, celebrities and anybody with a couple thousand followers on social media gets treated as a trusted, authoritative source. As a result, people believe lies. It is too easy and the result is what we have today: a morass of BS.
People need to be persuaded to rely on information from sources who are experts with the deep reasoning, knowledge, experience and skills that true expertise requires.
I wish everyone could exercise enough critical thinking to make good choices on who to trust, but that is not true today and if it can change it will take a generation or more. We need a solution that can help today.
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in reply to Cassi • • •all those unemployed people don't just fade away
it's fuel for a blowback