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After the oil ran dry and the corps moved to nuclear power, many of the rigs in the Gulf weren't worth salvaging, and were left to decompose or be occupied by squatters.

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Wide shot, exterior, day - A decommissioned oil rig platform, transformed into a home by Cooperatists.
Wide shot, exterior, day - A decommissioned oil rig platform, transformed into a home by Cooperatists.
Wide shot, exterior, day - A decommissioned oil rig platform, transformed into a home by Cooperatists.
Wide shot, exterior, day - A decommissioned oil rig platform, transformed into a home by Cooperatists.

Seth Rutledge

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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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love the concept, I also see it for a #solarpunk setting.
#solarpunk
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd My current project is basically the conflict between cyberpunk and "solarpunk", although I really hate that term. If you aren't flipping off the man, you aren't punk, no matter what marketing pukes want to tag things with.
@justinkd
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd Solarpunk as a term is as dumb as every political scandal being a 'gate'.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd Just call it "eco-utopian sci-fi" and move on.
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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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I can understand the argument against #solarpunk as a genera as it currently stands but, I see it differently than many others such as, the stories should be about the fight not the ideals realized. For example #cyberpunk is about the fight against the corporate powers not the dystopia as a whole. Solarpunk stories should take place in a dystopia, not a paradise.
#solarpunk #cyberpunk
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd Yeah, that I can definitely agree with. To be fair, I have a similar problem with Steampunk - it should be labour strikes and riots, not tea parties on airships.
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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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Yeah like yeah show the wealthy and "nobles" but also the servants poisoning their drinks.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd And gutters....dirty, stinking gutters where people build lean-tos. If you don't show how evil the upper class is, it's not punk.
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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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Agreed, for me the solarpunks are more like the Green Guerillas from the '60s I want to say might of been later, but yeah reclaiming green space for the betterment of the city.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd The only thing with that is that showing how the upper class use "solar" to keep the peons down is a lot harder....and that's what you'd have to do to make a real "Solarpunk" Perhaps if the rich had that solar-powered tech, and the only thing the poor had were sticks and the light of the sun...
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@justinkd solar powered water cannons is just cyberpunk though. Solarpunk is where you have to ask around to find the old person who knows about the book about how the servants poisoned all the rich people and lived happily ever after. If that's what insolates your wafer.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd That's like calling a story a "horror" story because the grandfather sits in a bright living room telling the young-uns how he beat Dracula.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Or, in less polite, but more punk terms - "Fuck that." Solarpunk is mainstream bullshit appropriation for marketing purposes.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd and I agree that solar powered water cannons are cyberpunk....hence why the entire "genre" of Solarpunk is bullshit.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Once again, I have zero problems with eco-utopian stories, I think we need more of them. Just keep them away from my punk, it's as ridiculous as "Solar Noir" would be.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd @octarine_wiggle My definition of an "xxx"punk story is "A dystopic society where the lower class takes and repurposes the technology of the upper classes to try to get ahead." That works for cyber, steam, diesel, and perhaps even atom.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd @octarine_wiggle The only story I can think of that might even come close to actual "Solarpunk" would be Brave New World.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd We *could* have a "Solarpunk" genre, it would be a Conservatives wet dream - it would talk about how thought and freedom of the people have been constrained and made illegal in order to create a bright and cheery society where everyone is happy.
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@justinkd nah it's not evil, it's heterogeneous, albeit sorely lacking in diverse references due to the commercially appropriated aesthetic of western concrete-and-steel urban settings with plants on top which would be entirely inappropriate to build from scratch en masse in a setting that prioritises appropriate technology.

It's also not utopian. It's just better than this. This is the dystopia, and we don't always need another cartoonish reflection of it to want something different.

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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Sure. You can want something different. I love eco-utopian sci-fi. You just can't appropriate my culture.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd All are welcome to the tribe of 'punk', but you can't claim the name without the ethos to sell books.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd When someone with a lifetime of being punk tells you something isn't, you can chose to argue, but it's a shitty thing to do, and makes you sound like an appropriating white person. "I like the term, so I'm using it." is pretty damn disrespectful.
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@justinkd ok pithiness aside for a moment, synthesizing a diversity of traditionalism with a forward looking technological society at scale that doesn't shie away from discussing limits to growth means you're imagining a society with a functioning political steady-state that's distinct from organising the struggle against a single oppressor. One example cited as a solarpunk reference is News From Nowhere (1890), a very white, very privileged, mediaeval larping rural utopia which also happens to go into lengthy detail about violently unmaking Victorian England and disavowing imperialism. Is it solarpunk? I'm not sure. Separate from whether it's solarpunk, what do you do to analyse whether it's punk?
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Punk - anger, aggression, a refusal to be satisfied with the scraps they give you - rebellion that is almost always doomed, and you know it, but you do it anyway. Punk is a more visceral outgrowth of "Noir". A feeling of powerlessness.
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Seth Rutledge
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@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Was talking over on the FB about this too, and a friend suggested "Solarcore", which I like a LOT. "At its core, a story about sustainable tech and our relationship with it." 100%. On board.
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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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@octarine_wiggle #solarcore interesting like cottagecore, maybe for more of the eco utopian stories but, I still like solarpunk for the non utopian stories. You see like I have stated before I want the fight stories. "The fuck you for building this city to not include nature stories." To me that is a punk story.
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@justinkd a trope I see hanging out on this hashtag is that you need the political element to be solarpunk, otherwise you're just doing greenwashing, cottagecore, or you're a prepper with a solar panel.

Also there's the idea that solarpunk tech is just what we've already got used appropriately, so solarpunk isn't scifi it just happens to look a lot like it.

I'm down for more solarcore scifi.

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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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@octarine_wiggle I think that is a little extreme Seth. To be honest in the "Solarpunk" terms the majority do want the eco utopia story. But for many others it is the same grip you have about steampunk. There are many paths for punk to exist in said generas.
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@justinkd
"should take place in dystopia", I would like to counter that thought and say it should take place "from" dystopia

we don't need more stories about ppl fighting unwinnable battles in misery, the story shouldn't _be_ dystopic, it should show how dystopia can be overcome through some form of activism, either in the form of looking at it as activism overcomes the dystopia, or as a looking-back story taking its initial point from the aftermath of successful change

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Seth Rutledge
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@amici @justinkd Tell whatever story you want - but what you are describing isn't "punk" in any form....using the word is appropriation and marketing.
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Seth Rutledge
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@justinkd You may not LIKE punk...that's fine, it's not for everyone....but don't take the name 'cause it sounds catchy and will sell because people think the word is 'cool'.
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Seth Rutledge
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@amici @justinkd Don't call something a "horror" story if it isn't horrific, or a "romance" if it isn't romantic. Same ethos applies.
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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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@amici I agree solarpunk is very eco utopian, but the punks are those who are deemed worthless in present tense not in the utopia realized.
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Seth Rutledge
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@amici that’s too meta..again, like calling a happy story where all the monsters are dead ‘horror’. Winning isn’t ‘punk’
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Seth Rutledge
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@amici absolutely a cool story, absolutely not punk.
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Seth Rutledge
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@amici it’s just middle class moderates trying to appropriate and rebrand punk because anger makes them uncomfortable.
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Seth Rutledge
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@amici and it legitimately makes me angry to see, so I’m going to stop arguing why cultural appropriation is bad. If you don’t see it, that’s on you.
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MadeInDex
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@alxd @justinkd
Always wondering why nobody utilizes the left over oil rigs - would even be great for tourism.

Are they still owned by the fossil fuel corporations or what's the reason?

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Simon Lucy
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@madeindex @alxd @justinkd
In some parts of the world rigs are left to become reefs, in the North Sea there's agreement to dismantle rigs.

But I doubt you could make them safe for tourists.

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MadeInDex
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Interesting! Isn't the foundation of an #oilrig very sturdy (often steel + concrete¹), so what are the main safety issues?

It's just such a waste, as incredible amounts of resources and time went into them (average 650 million $ price tag¹)

Found this interesting graphic about the different types:

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fil…

¹ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_pl…

² interestingengineering.com/sci…


The Engineering and Construction of Offshore Oil Platforms

It's estimated that 84% of all Earth's natural resources are located under our oceans. How do we get it out?
Trevor English (Interesting Engineering)
#oilrig
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MadeInDex
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@MontgomeryGator

This would definitely be what the corps would try before letting squatters have them like @eldritch48 suggested ;)

The ocean even is slightly radioactive already encyclopedia.com/science/news-…

But the impacts on the ocean are not completely studied, here is an old but interesting article about this very topic:
e360.yale.edu/features/radioac…

They still seem to be uncertain about the impact today: npr.org/2023/08/24/1195419846/…

Radionuclides in the Ocean | Encyclopedia.com

Radionuclides in the Ocean Sea water is slightly radioactive: it contains a small but significant amount of radioactive elements that undergo spontaneous radioactive decay and produce energy, subatomic particles, and a remainder, or daughter nucleus,…
www.encyclopedia.com
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Montgomery Gator
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@madeindex @simon_lucy @alxd @justinkd What if we built a nuclear reactor ON the oil rig? Electrolyze some hydrogen, pipeline it back, and if things go badly you just sink it and let the sea cool it down like submarines do. Then Karen can't be upset about the water that is polluting the sky from the smokestack.
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MadeInDex
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@MontgomeryGator

It's definitely an interesting idea.
The next generation nuclear fission reactors seem to test new coolants though: technologyreview.com/2024/01/1…

There are also many major #nuclear #fusion experiments upcoming in the next few years. Let's hope for a breakthrough 😀


The next generation of nuclear reactors is getting more advanced. Here’s how.

Alternative ways of powering, cooling, and constructing reactors could help get more nuclear energy on the grid.
Casey Crownhart (MIT Technology Review)
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Montgomery Gator
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@madeindex The thing is, if you had the reactor below sea level, you wouldn't actually be exposing fuel to the seawater. You definitely would be activating the metals already in the water, and that's not great but... We actually did that to an American river for decades and not a lot happened.

youtube.com/watch?v=CdY2dhe3St…

This not entirely serious idea, would be that in the event of a cooling failure, you could just open some doors and valves and the seawater coming in would prevent meltdown just by replacing what boils off rapidly. That keeps the cladding of the fuel rods from melting, and you end up with a mess of salt corrosion instead of a nuclear meltdown.

Light water reactors were built for the sea, it's kind of an example of committee thinking that they were the kind to end up being built on land at all.

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Justin Kuhn-Dennis
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@deedeeque @madeindex @simon_lucy @alxd the primary issue with them getting repurposed is there is not anyone who has enough capital to purchase them and maintain them. Plus do you think that corporations that cut corners all the time want someone else to find out their safety violations and such?
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