When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
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Ag. V.
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord
it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up
and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord
do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?
🤪
do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?
no you don't
you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo
Ag. V.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •in the arab spring as well the people rose up on their own
you're the one living in a teletubbies world where they push magic buttons at CIA hq and then magically thousands, millions of people suddenly desire to be free of sick feeble autocratic corrupt govts
it's not possible that the people living in those countries, all on their very own, don't like their govts? that's a crazy idea to you?
😂
why are you so dumb?
why do you believe stupid weak kremlin lies?
Ag. V.
in reply to Ag. V. • • •@benroyce if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Rusdian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.
Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •i understand the vatnik lies, idiot
a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar
ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014
don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:
theguardian.com/world/2015/dec…
and nato base? 😂
don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab? 😂
nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar
Putin admits Russian military presence in Ukraine for first time
Shaun Walker (The Guardian)Ag. V.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa peoplesworld.org/article/the-o…
And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.
PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.
The Odessa trade union massacre, ten years later
People's WorldBen Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •@aguVV
the odessa clashes were pro-russia and pro-ukraine mobs fighting it out AFTER russia seized crimea and sent troops into donbas, you stupid liar
you are a lying vatnik, or you are a moron who believe kremlin lies with zero thought going on in that walnut sized cranium of yours
and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?
why. are. you. so. dumb.
Ag. V.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@benroyce which happened AFTER that coup d'etat. Crazy they wanted to salvage their base in the Black Sea, huh?
"and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?"
Nothing, it has NOTHING to do. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok, go back to read fantasy tales of good and bad. I won't bother to answer you anymore. It's like talking to a 5 year old kid.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •"coup d'etat"
"coup d'etat"
"coup d'etat"
you think if you keep repeating that embarrassing lie it means anything except that you're a complete moron? do you think you're clever? 🤣
you're a weak troll my friend. people are laughing at you, because what you're saying is so weak and stupid. understand they think you're a dimwit
"it has NOTHING to do"
what russia is doing in ukraine has nothing to do with imperialism?
why. are. you. so. dumb.
Ag. V.
in reply to Ag. V. • • •@benroyce I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.
It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •@aguVV
you talk boring stupid lying geopolitics crap and not once do you consider the wants and desires of the people themselves living in those countries. do you think they are incapable of revolting? do you think revolutions never existed in human history and then suddenly the CIA invented the concept in 2011 with magic mind control buttons?
why are you so dumb?
Ag. V.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •do you know what a coup d'etat is?
do you think the great mass of people on the street, a revolution, is a coup d'etat?
do you think at all about how fucking stupid you sound and how weak and hilarious your dumb lies are?
or does the taste of putin's boot in your mouth as you lick it so tenderly is just that appealing to you, you stupid liar
NoBorg
in reply to Ag. V. • • •@aguVV @benroyce
Ukranians have been distancing themselves from Russians over centuries! On their own, yes.
Here you have a book by Andreas Kappeler to learn about their history:
geographie-cites.cnrs.fr/en/ru…
Russians and Ukrainians, unequal brothers - Géographie-cités
Catherine Côme (Géographie-cités)Ag. V.
in reply to NoBorg • • •@hadon @benroyce en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukr…
Whatever you consider a 'Ukrainian' - probably induced by some wishful thinking Western induced propaganda - is up to you.
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Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •Denial of Ukrainian identity is straight up ethnofascism
So why are you on Mastodon you fuckwit racist? Shouldn't you be on Twitter with the rest of the Putin ass licking morons?
Ag. V.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@benroyce @hadon are you stupid or simply incapable of reading?
Of course there's Ukrainian identity. It's just not equally applied to all we have been knowing as Ukraine so far. While it's true in westernmost parts of the country, eastern parts seem to feel more Russian than Ukrainian. So the problem there is basically the drawn borders. Therefore, let the Eastern parts of the country join Russia and that's it.
There were intelligence agencies knowing that and they created that civil war anyway. So why would you support that? Again: are you stupid?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ag. V. • • •Donbas and Crimea decided to be Ukraine. Kremlin lies and manipulation of occupied land doesn't alter that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukr…
If there were any russophile Ukrainians, the years of war now has erased all of that from the mind of every Ukrainian. Mass murdering ethnofascist imperialism tends to do that, galaxy brain
independence referendum
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Ravonges
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.
Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ravonges • • •@Ravonges
if russia nukes europe moscow ceases to exist in an equivalent nuclear hellfire. so russia won't nuke europe
and europeans aren't just going to end themselves as you wish, vatnik
Ravonges
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@benroyce As an EU citizen, I don't want to end us. I fully support my own survival, and the survival of my fellow humans.
My point is, it's a fucking idiot move, to attack the biggest nuclear power, especially when they have threatened to fire their 5000 dirty bombs, if we do.
Play smart, not hard.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ravonges • • •no one is attacking russia. russia is attacking ukraine. "play smart" indeed
if the eu sent troops to relieve non front line activity that would allow ukraine to focus on repelling russian troops
if you find that provocative, recall russia already called in north korean troops
if russia goes "we'll nuke you" also recall russia has already threatened to nuke europe over every little fucking thing. they are full of shit
stop being a whiny weak coward and submitting to russia's lies
Ravonges
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ravonges • • •Give me the keys to your car or I burn your house down
(/s)
Do you give me your car keys? Of course not
Just because Russia threatens nukes doesn't mean anything. They can threaten to use nukes over any provocation they want. It's just grade school bullying shit. No one takes them seriously and unless you stand up to the bullying, you'll get MORE nuclear threats because you've shown they work on you. So giving into the threats *increases* the chances of being nuked