Oh hell no, years ago i would have signed up myself but nowdays blob.cat shouldnt be a big instance and i bet gargron wouldnt even suggest *oma even tho its compatible
RE: mastodon.social/@Mastodon/1159…
If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.(sorry it’s in Google docs)
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Default Server Recommendations - Interest and Newsletter Sign-up
Register your interest in participating in the Default Server Recommendations program. Filling out this form is not a guarantee that your server will be selected for participation. Your data will be handled in accordance with GDPR.Google Docs
We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.
Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.
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(The reason we’re starting with the apps and not the web is because the necessary data to run this experiment is already provided through the app store. It is more complicated to do this right for the web, and we want to think carefully about how to do this in a way that respects privacy.)
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The experiment will be designed to ensure that server admins remain in control: meaning they will have the power opt-in and opt-out as needed, or reduce the percentage of sign-ups flowing their way.
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Starting now, we’re recruiting general purpose servers with open sign-ups. To be eligible, servers must:
- Run default Mastodon (for now)
- Agree to the Server Covenant
- Have existed for 1+ year
- Have shut-down & disaster plans
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If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.
(sorry it’s in Google docs)
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The Default Server Recommendations experiment is a first step in reimagining how Mastodon onboarding & server discovery work.
Our team’s intent is to work with the community to build new onboarding pathways that support the entire network.
We can’t wait to get started 💜
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@ruud
Sounds like a really good idea. I am very excited to see the first results.
Before I fill in the form:
Is there anything in particular that should be done or followed-up server/admin side for this?
@admin hey! The only thing to do for now is make sure you’re meeting these eligibility requirements:
- Run default Mastodon (for now)
- Agree to the Server Covenant
- Have existed for 1+ year
- Have shut-down & disaster plans
Besides that, stay tuned!
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It's amazing seeing these sorts of things play out across the Fediverse. Making sure we make a better internet that is centered around Privacy and staying decentralized for all.
Keep up the good work and can't wait to see where we all are in several years to come.
✅already answered, no more need for reposts
@Mastodon
How about also interest based?
There are some for special interests
Like punkstodon.de for punk music, metalhead.club for metal heads, infosec.exchange for tech security interested people and so on.
So just the region is maybe too less?
At least it's something to be considered after the first iteration
Thank you.
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I suggest a rule:
That the number of servers that defederate this specific server in her language is low.
To prevent toxic server.
I presume by "default Mastodon", you mean that if a server has so much as changed the max characters per post from the default 500, they won't be eligible?
Otherwise, I think this is a fantastic idea!
Language I guess. This is the default mechanism for those that don't know or care about picking a special interest server. But you probably want a server with people posting in your own language and local subjects.
@OrionKidder @jannem
There's more to server than just understanding the language. Consider talk about politics, promotion of irl-events, or asking help with something.. these are all topics where a hobby is a secondary concern to location.
That isn't to say a hobby couldn't be a reason to pick a server, mostly that I wouldn't recommend a hobby server for a noob at fedi, even if I knew they lived for the suspect.
Of course, ymmv.
@iju @OrionKidder @jannem well said, Juho! This matches our reasoning well.
This is just a first experiment in how we will evolve onboarding, but it will not be the only one. We are starting to look at how to evolve Server Directory too, including adding more kinds of server classifications and categories. We also want to move that to a PR-based backend so it’s more manageable to keep updated. We think this will be a good first step to help with interest-based server discovery, and we’ve got some other ideas too. More soon…
But no need to use g forms and then apologize for it.
I like to use framaforms.org/
Framaforms - Créez et diffusez vos formulaires facilement…
Créez et diffusez vos formulaires facilement…framaforms.org
This is a link to the server covenant:
One important question – and one we’ve discussed together – is which definition of antisemitism are you going with? I’d appreciate it if you could state the decision you’ve reached on this publicly. Crucially, is it one that conflates opposition to Zionism, Israel, and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people with being bigoted against Jewish people or not? This is key in knowing whether only Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-genocide Mastodon servers will be featured in recommendations or not.
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@aral for us in Canada, we align with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and still are green in terms of the Covenant.
There's protected speech, and there's unprotected speech, and that is what we abide by.
Being a purely geographical instance, I know we enjoy being able to defer these decisions.
@aral
I feel like by asking this question you're — inadvertently — legitimizing zionism by implying that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism is a credible definition of that word.
Personally, I assume that antisemitism means antisemitism unless I have reason to believe otherwise.
besides geographical location, are there going to be any filters for like, interests or core topics etc?
A gardening and plant instance is going to have a different vibe from the software/hardware developer instance, etc.
It would be neat to be a part of this, but only if relevant users/signups are being directed.
Edit: "General Purpose Servers" ah.. missed that keyword (figured that would've been mentioned again earlier?). /ht: tyrol.social/@nitrml/115989922…
@colinstu it says "general purpose servers". So no special interests servers or topical servers are gonna be able to participate in this feature (at the moment).
For this experiment, that is correct. We are looking to partner with servers that have open sign-ups. But we've heard the feedback that spam is going to be a big issue for many servers to participate, so our team is going to discuss what we can do about that next week.
Thanks for clarifying.
As it stands any participating server would be paying a price for inclusion.
I'm not even sure how many reputable general purpose servers still have open sign-up after recent spam waves.
As a volunteer, eyeballing potential member applications while not attending to one's own business is the only way to do it.
@Matt_Noyes
Yeah, if by open sign-ups they mean you can sign up without admin approval, then this requirement is either hilariously stupid or purposely crafted so that they can exclude most, if not all, other servers except mastodon.social and then just return to the current status quo.
I'd so much like to apply Hanlon's on this, but given how long it took them to start working on this...
@Mastodon
@shadowdancer @Matt_Noyes
hachyderm.io/@haubles/11599538…
@piepants @mike @davey_cakes @OctaviaConAmore thanks for raising this. we hear you that open sign-ups/spam is going to be an issue for many servers to participate in this experiment, and we’re going to talk about how we might be able to help with that next week. And, this experiment is not the only thing we’re planning to improve onboarding and server discovery! We have more ideas we are discussing, we will be able to share more on them soon
@haubles
Okay, thanks for taking this into consideration.
And, please accept my apology for my rather hostile take on the issue. I was under the impression Mastodon was well aware about the concerns around the open signups issue, but apparently I was mistaken.
@Matt_Noyes @Mastodon
Good point! Just in case your team hasn't thought of this yet, I'd like to share an idea.
On the pricing page of my hobby project (link in my bio), I wanted to show the prices of the "correct" country. But I wanted to ensure that I don't get to know the result if someone is just visiting.
But sending the user's IP address to a third party geolocation service is not legally possible without first asking for consent.
Here's my solution: the web page contacts a tiny endpoint on my server that returns the IPv4 address it sees, but doesn't log it. Then the country lookup happens client-side via a geo-IP database file that the web page has loaded into the browser cache earlier. As the web server itself also doesn't log, I don't have any data on visitors (unless they become customers). 🎉
In the next step, you could list all languages of servers in that country, starting with the most common ones spoken there (e.g. for Switzerland: DE, FR, IT, RM) & let them choose.
"Correct language": Does it mean the favourite language that people choose individually in their preferences (but for which they need an instance) or official language of a country/region? Asking for all the multi-language migrants, bilingual regions, and foreign-language prefering people.
Fedi.Garden – An easy way to join Mastodon and the Fediverse
Highlighting nice servers on Mastodon and the Fediversefedi.garden
Fabulous news. Any movement away from mastodon . social (risk of centralization, and plenty of other issues) is progress
HT @FediTips
social.growyourown.services/@F…
Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-ide…
TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.
If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at fedi.garden
Mastodon.social is not a good way to join Mastodon. If you’re already on it, you might want to move your account to a different Mastodon server. | Fedi.Tips – An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
An unofficial guide to using Mastodon and the Fediversefedi.tips
"We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start."
And here is the core symptom of the core problem itself:
You're pointing the question and its solution right back at the Deathstar Mothership itself: @Mastodon dot Social
Sort of a recursive, self-fulfilling loop, no?
But not the least bit surprising
Awesome! The other issue is “filling up the feed”, right? Bluesky’s feeds to follow are nice, but we got hashtags here. Maybe when people sign up, you also give them a nice (and attractively presented) list of hashtags to follow???
LEAN IN on that old school spirit and people feeds will fill up right away!!!
Would you please like to focus your attention on the issue of encryption, please. Currently you are building a network with servers that do not encrypt user data and do not offer e2ee for private messages. This will explode into a gigantic privacy catastrophe when Mastodon will get it´s endless November, so these heavy design issues must be solved before that.
☝️ check out the thread, admins:
cc.
@chm
@admin@mastodon.nu
@trumpet
@hugo
@xaphanpl
@admin@paktodon.asia
@tc
@xrobau
@team
@sysadmin
@amministratore
@mastodonie
@maop
@kenobit
@chief
@support
@admin@piaille.fr
@valvoja
@henri
@saustrup
@donelias
@admini
@spla
@announcements
@mike@thecanadian.social
@admin@mastodon.com.br
@adrian
@xrobau
@aussocialadmin
@mike@chinwag.org
This sounds like a really good way to get regionally organized.
It could add tremendously to civilians getting organized.
The Fediverse as Civil OS.
Way to go!
not to defense mastodon.social, there's plenty of shit accounts here, but i've also found plenty of shit accounts on other servers too
what you're complaining about, it doesn't even seem like a fediverse problem, but a social media problem. there's always successful entrenched assholes and trolls, everywhere
if there's specific accounts you have in mind, DM me. maybe we can find a way to nuke them
kali, *you* summoned me into your complaint here. i can't even begin to mansplain to you what i don't even fucking understand that you're complaining about. do you understand who i am? i'm just some fucking dude in western ny. i have no real power, i have no agenda save my posts about ukraine, and voting in the usa, and other issues that catch my interest. how do i figure in your complaints that you think it's important to mention me? why do you summon me?
then just fucking block mastodon.social if you fucking summon me then attack me when i am just trying to fucking understand what the fuck is going on!
i'm just a rando dude in western ny kali
i'm a fucking shitposter of random shit i'm interested in. i'm a fucking nobody. why do you imagine i have fucking import or influence here?
fucking huge intractable world problems, and fucking server politics on the fediverse. what the fuck do you think i can fucking do about that kali?
@kali
kali there's accounts i like, and accounts i don't like. there's also plenty of accounts who think i'm peachy keen, and plenty of accounts that fucking hate me. this is all very normal and not remotely remarkable, the same applies to every other account, i'm not special
just please don't summon me into drama, so i try to understand what the fuck is going on, and i get rewarded for that by being accused of mansplaining. how can i mansplain what i don't even fucking understand!
what is there to understand? the people running the instance are spineless RE:palestine bc they want a big instance. basically what every single western media outlet has been doing. i tell you it has absolutely 0 to do wit german law.
so if i wanted that i could just read the NYT?
@kali
kali: i'm a fucking rando hothead loudmouth in western ny. i can't solve the shit israel is doing, i can't influence politics on mastodon.social or any other server. i can't do shit kali. all i can do is engage on social media on topics that interest me, that's what social media is for
what the fuck do you want from me? why the fuck do you think "i'm going to summon ben royce here" and i'm going to do... what? what is this random asshole from western ny supposed to do?
@kali
block it! i can't help you!
why do you think i have any fucking power here!
and don't fucking attack people YOU summoned who are just trying to fucking understand what the fucking problem is!
jesus fucking christ!
@kali
and frankly kali: fuck you
*you* summoned me. i'm trying to engage on why
and for that effort, i get accused of mansplaining?!
fuck you!
stop fucking summoning me in something i don't even fucking comprehend that you're complaining about. why me? what did i do that made you think "ben royce should be in on this"
in on what?
what is the point of summoning me, then attacking me when i try to understand? what is the fucking point of that?
@kali
you want me to leave mastodon.social?
i have left one server before for mastodon.social when i was just getting starting out and knew nothing of the politics
i am in fact thinking of starting my own server, but not tomorrow, not even next month or 3 months. so you may see me elsewhere someday. until then, what the fuck do you want me to do? leave the server because you have problems with it i can't get a grasp on without being fucking attacked by you? what the fuck?
There's a position that mastodon.social -users fall into three categories: the harassers etc / noobs who mostly lurk / and real posters™ like you (and mayhaps me).
The argument goes that real posters™ not moving to a smallish server, they make it impossible to block the harassers and the noobs.
( Personally I haven't moved due to fearing (among other things) that smaller servers' homogeneity may lead to regulating words and not intentions. De facto, if not de jure. )
@iju
as for moderation on mastodon.social, i'm sure someone could write 10 books on how much it sucks, but the same could be said for any server. moderation is not a science, and there's always grey areas and complaints. it's simply large enough, it's standard enough. having said all of *that* i do intend to move, and start my own server. someday. next year. 3 months from now
The fediverse is about avoiding the problems of centralisation. Having centralised topic servers has already resulted in much fedi-infighting.
I have several special interests. But its nonsensical to need multiple accounts. Resulting in topics most people are excluded from because they are not a member of that club. And those topics are watered down with other topic or non topic posts.
This is all because Mastodon doesn't yet have Federated groups, where 'anyone' can join. Where topic posts stay within those groups.
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in reply to :blobcatverified2: • • •@Jain it's good as a default suggestion though. some dutch servers, some german ones. .. most casual users will want to see content generally related to their real life. we are the outsiders in this sense i think.
it's not a bad idea I think.
+ it's a lot better than everything on mastosoc!!!
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in reply to 🔻 aetios 🇪🇺 • • •@aetios @Jain aren’t most servers hosted on VPS located somewhere in either EU or US regardless of where the people on there are anyways?
like mstdn.jp and misskey.io are hosted in US for example
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