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PeterKReilly
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Linux Is Best
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I want to step in and point out that there’s a lot of misinformation circulating.
Some people have been incorrectly claiming that if one country passes a certain law, then everyone — everywhere — must comply with it.
That’s not how jurisdiction works.
You’re responsible for following the laws of your own country. Your government can’t impose its laws on the entire world, and neither can any other government.
For example, if Russia suddenly requires that anyone signing up for a website must pay $5 and submit a DNA sample — but your site, and you are based in France — you’re under no obligation to comply. Russia can make whatever demands it wants, but you’re not Russian, and it’s not your responsibility to enforce their laws.
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Mastodon Migration
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •@Linux
What is particularly troubling about #Bluesky is their aggressive policy of obeying in advance all laws from any jurisdiction. They banned Turkish dissidents under this rationale, and are now preemptively doing UK ID verification. It makes one think these reasons are pretextual, or at the very least cowardly.
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Linux Is Best
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •@mastodonmigration
Blue Sky is a corporation trying to please its shareholders.
I also don’t know where Blue Sky’s offices are. If they’re registered in a particular country, then they’re subject to that country’s jurisdiction.
But if you're running a forum or a Fediverse site, and neither you nor your server is located there, you can tell them to go to hell — because it’s not your problem.
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All valid points. And that is sort of the whole point. Bluesky, as a US corporation without apparently very deep pockets has got to be afraid of their legal exposure if only due to the potential cost of litigation. So, they are not well situated to protect their user's privacy rights.
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Linux Is Best
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •@mastodonmigration
I’ve supposedly violated the laws of several countries in the past when I ran a forum community. I was allegedly summoned, sued, and even "lost" cases simply because I didn’t acknowledge them or show up. But I couldn’t care less then, and I still don’t — because it was all political theater. I wasn’t a citizen of those countries.
Back in the day, my forum had over 20 million users. I focused solely on following the laws of my own country — not the laws of every country on the planet.
vandorb12
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Fantastic work.
Linux Is Best
in reply to vandorb12 • • •@vandorb12 @mastodonmigration
Arguably, The Pirate Bay was violating international copyright law — not just the laws of a single nation.
Everyone who has challenged my comment keeps citing extreme cases as examples. But that’s exactly the issue: those are extreme circumstances — just like The Pirate Bay itself.
If you’re reckless enough to violate global, internationally recognized laws, then yes, that’s a problem. But you are not obligated to recognize the laws of every country on Earth, nor can any one nation claim the right to make laws for the entire planet.
vandorb12
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •If we had international law, then we would need international representation and international taxation.
Last I recall, I never had to pay a percentage of my wages to any international body.
CM Thiede
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •The Vampire Fish Queen
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •Linux Is Best
in reply to The Vampire Fish Queen • • •@TheVampireFishQueen @mastodonmigration
I personally, disagree with Blue Sky's stance on this. But I am also not trying to please shareholders either.
I get why some sites choose to block UK users — it’s the path of least resistance. But I’d rather not take that route.
My goal isn’t to fragment access or limit the reach of the site, especially when there’s no legal obligation to comply with UK-specific laws just because someone from there signs up.
As long as I’m not operating in or targeting the UK, I’m within my rights to keep registration open. UK users are responsible for understanding their own local laws — that burden doesn’t automatically fall on every website they visit.
Blocking might be easy, but it’s not necessary — and it’s definitely not the only responsible option.
Just a trash panda 🦝
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •@Linux @mastodonmigration The act applies extras territorially. So please be careful if you run a Mastodon server with UK users and have anyone involved in your team that is personally subject to UK jurisdiction.
Edit: Removed "not true" after re-reading your post.
Linux Is Best
in reply to Just a trash panda 🦝 • • •@trashpanda @mastodonmigration
They can word it anyway they want, but they cannot enforce their laws on every nation on the planet and every citizen everywhere.
That is not how the world works.
If it did, we'd all be in deep trouble with Russia, China, and the United States dictating terms to everyone on earth.
Thankfully, it does not work that way.
skua
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •@Linux @trashpanda @mastodonmigration
Australian hacker was charged with crimes in USA.
Was arrested in Australia and extradited to the USA.
Some countries will arrest and extradite their citizens under international agreements.
USA will seek to extradite (remember Julian Assange?) foreign citizens while not extraditing (except accidentally as ICE is doing) it's own citizens.
Linux Is Best
in reply to skua • • •@skua @trashpanda @mastodonmigration
I feel like you're reaching.
Wiki Leaks, was leaking state secrets. They became an international skeptical and yes, America made a deal with Australia.
That does not mean you need to comply with the laws of every foreign country, and that every foreign country can make laws that apply to everyone on earth.
skua
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Feel you've been over generalising.
Just a trash panda 🦝
in reply to skua • • •skua
in reply to Just a trash panda 🦝 • • •@trashpanda
Aren't we living in ridiculous times?
(rhetorical question)
It's a quirky space that Johanna Mastodon made for us. I get that blocky feeling occasionally too. People sure got their triggers.
As far as risks go, IMO operators need to quantify the risk of being A. charged under their own local laws, & B. being extradited to face foreign charges.
B. seems very difficult to judge unless your country always refuses to extradite.
I think the risk is low if local laws are followed.
Just a trash panda 🦝
in reply to skua • • •@skua @thenexusofprivacy @mastodonmigration Looks like it's starting. LGBTQIA.space just blocked UK users from their CDN because of the act.
lgbtqia.space/@mcp/11497837099…
Dan 🌻
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I'm in danger
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MastodonLylah Kauis
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Unknown parent • • •Curt Olson
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •9 o'clock Hashtag Games
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This targeted many game plays of our once per day #HashTagGames tonight at around 9:30pm EST. Thanks for the quick suspension of that account.
@paul
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Chewie
Unknown parent • • •Huh? It's not a bug
Francois Heinderyckx
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Suggestion: maybe we need a "Phishing" category in the reporting process. And a "Spam" while we're at it.
Len
Unknown parent • • •it's a social engineering scam as old as the very bones of the Earth.
In seven thousand years, our descendents will still be trying to lie their way into gaining access to whatever secure accounts they have in the future, by claiming they're the admins.
What makes you think this has anything whatsoever to do with Mastodon in particular?
Dani Nani
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Marvin Oppong
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in reply to Marvin Oppong • • •Marvin Oppong
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •0%/100% TAX ✅ ✅
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •so if they posted like 20 messages with the same message should I select all or just like 2 and then report?
For me I think that selecting just 2 which look alike would be more practical.
Does Mastodon have like any "best practice" when dealing with scammers?
Also if Anna123666 hasn't been suspended yet(haven't checked) please help.
Here's a screenshot
#Mastodon #BestPractice #ScamBot #SpamBot #Anna123666
solitarywalker
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Loona Kathy
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