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Feature requests for a lemmy moderation bot


This entry was edited (4 months ago)
in reply to asudox

Filtered word: nsfw

in reply to RmDebArc_5

Sounds good. Added.
A certain strike threshold will temporarily ban the user within a specified time period.
This entry was edited (5 months ago)
in reply to asudox

I would add a way to send an automated alert to mods if a user gets repeated temporary bans (kind of like a super-strike), so human mods can decide if a permanent ban is warranted or if they need to review how zealous the automod is being.
in reply to Telorand

I'll think about it. But I'll most likely add a option to permanently ban a user after X temp bans instead. The thing with sending alerts to mods is that the API calls increases as the moderator count increases. I'd like to decrease the amount of API calls made since there certainly is a rate limit on the instance I'll be using for the bot.
This entry was edited (5 months ago)
in reply to asudox

I beg of you, please don’t. The worst thing to happen to Reddit was their Automod. Please reconsider.
in reply to dohpaz42

It's to easen the work of community moderators. And you can't just catch every comment that needs to be removed. Or posts, etc. This is where an automated moderation bot comes in. No matter how much you hate it, it is a must to have some automated system in growing platforms such as Lemmy.

It's also not like the bot instantly bans everyone. I honestly don't get the hate

This entry was edited (5 months ago)
in reply to asudox

OP I agree with you, it's a great idea imo.
I've been a moderator before on a Discord server with +1000 members, for one of my FOSS projects,
and maintenance against scam / spam bots grew so bad,
that I had to get a team of moderators + an auto moderation bot + wrote an additional moderation bot myself!..

Here is the source to that bot, might be usable for inspiration or just plain usable some other users:
github.com/Rikj000/Discord-Aut…

I think it will only be a matter of time before the spam / scam bots catch up to Lemmy,
so it's good to be ahead of the curve with auto-moderation.

However I also partially agree with @dohpaz42, auto-moderation on Reddit is very, uhm, present.
Imo auto moderation should not really be visible to non-offenders.

in reply to asudox

Banning members on their username. Locking down an entire community because of a small group of people spamming. Deleting posts because an account isn’t old enough?

Why not throw in the system to have to approve posts before they get published? Really make the community welcoming.

It was said in another comment above that this tool is easily abused by “overzealous mods”, but I believe the real problem are overzealous programmers.

Reddit failed for reasons, and I believe automod was one of them. But you’ll do you, and nothing I say can change that.

in reply to dohpaz42

in reply to dohpaz42

Why? Automod is just a tool, the issues people have with it is how overzealous the mods using it are. If you're moderating a community with 10,000+ people you can't expect to filter and manage everything yourself, so a bot scheduling posts and filtering potential spam/low effort content is necessary.
in reply to popcar2

That is a salient point, but I submit that if an instance is so big that the moderator(s) can't handle it, the instance should shut down sign-ups and/or split into smaller instances.

The Fediverse should work to reject centralization, not enable its proliferation.

This entry was edited (5 months ago)
in reply to popcar2

Automod is just a tool, indeed, but how a tool is designed dictates or at least encourages its usage.
in reply to dohpaz42

in reply to Lvxferre

Alright. Sounds fair.
Instead of taking dangerous actions, I'll make it create a report instead. Though I'll probably keep the feature to punish members by their usernames via regex or word blacklist.
in reply to asudox

Alright. Sounds fair. Instead of taking dangerous actions, I’ll make it create a report instead.


Thank you! Frankly, if done this way I'd be excited to use it ASAP.

in reply to asudox

Though I'll probably keep the feature to punish members by their usernames via regex or word blacklist.


This right here is the attitude that I have a problem with. I can think of one user who would get blacklisted right away because of their username alone. And that does not sit right with me.

in reply to asudox

please no welcome messages, they're like the most obnoxious thing Reddit ever had (well ok maybe not the most), they just clog your inbox.
This entry was edited (5 months ago)
in reply to asudox

I don't see a problem with having the feature as an option. It only becomes a problem if it is misused by moderators.
in reply to threelonmusketeers

The problem with something like this is that people start to dislike it more with experience. People have to be less experienced to become more experienced, and so it's a certainty that there will be a lot of moderators that misuse it.

I also don't mean to sound like a gnome dev, but what is actually the use case for this?

in reply to msmc101

I agree that welcome messages are often just clutter, but I don't think that this means the feature should not be included. For some communities, a welcome message is appropriate. Moderators don't need to use every feature for a given community.
in reply to asudox

Generally speaking please don't. I've never seen a reddit bot that I didn't find annoying.
in reply to solrize

To each their own, but I found plenty of useful or entertaining bots on Reddit. If you hate bots that much, there is a toggle in your Lemmy settings to block all labelled bot accounts.
This entry was edited (4 months ago)
in reply to threelonmusketeers

I have them blocked already, but that doesn't stop the moderation bots screwing up and deleting good posts, whether mine or other people's. It's unfortuanate to not get informed when the words in someone's post happen to be in alphabetical order though.
in reply to asudox

Half the features are helpful and the others are obnoxious or useless reddit vestiges. Auto banning users, locking communities, deleting posts is all rather harmful and not conducive to interesting discussion and posts. Welcome messages and auto mod comments on every post are also plain terrible.

Make a slim bot with moderation tools that helps mods and admins to do their tasks more efficiently and comfortably, but dont offload the mod role itself to the bot. That is one of the worst parts if reddit.

in reply to GregorGizeh

Your idea of a "bot" is yet just manual labor for mods with "advanced" features.
in reply to asudox

Honestly a bot moderator is just open source enshittification of the fediverse if you did it like this. Bots have no nuance, do not understand context and are generally unable to apply reason to a situation.

The most egregious suggestion is user name based bans, this is 100% going to remove a bunch of users without real cause. Or having automod comment the same irrelevant headline on every single post is just causing spam and kills the comment count function.

In my opinion the bots should do all the tediousness for the moderators, and there may even be scenarios where a bot content filter could be invaluable, but in general any tool you put out there will also be used to its fullest extent by at least one person.

Like cops with too many powers, eventually they abuse it for everything.

in reply to GregorGizeh

What exactly am I to do when mods use my bot maliciously? I just try to program features into the bot that might be used by the moderators. Everything is optional, if the features are used maliciously, it's not my fault but the moderators'. What fault does the creator of knives have when they are being used to murder people instead of cutting vegetables?

I do appreciate your comment though, some misc tasks don't necessarily need to exist such as welcome messages and auto comments on posts. Actually I'll remove welcome messages, they are a waste of API calls. Maybe auto comment on posts as well but scheduled posts are (most likely) staying. It is a moderation bot after all. I'll consider your compliant. Thanks.

This entry was edited (4 months ago)
in reply to asudox

Have you checked out awesome lemmy? you might want to improve an existing project.
in reply to wiki_me

None of the mod bots seem to be written in Rust, which I'll be using. So nope.
in reply to asudox

make it blockable, mutable.., i don't like opening a post and the first thing i see is a pinned bot comment.
in reply to scorp

Just block it and you'll no longer see any posts or comments of it.