If anyone wants to Fediblock atomicpoet.org because I said that Meta is able to use ActivityPub, and that ActivityPub not only should—but will—survive Meta, go ahead.
It won’t change anything, but for a brief moment, you’ll feel good about yourself.
Maybe they do it everywhere and I just never heard about it, but it's amazing how often people report other people on Mastodon for saying things they don't like. Which is apparently a crime.
@futureisfoss Yea, knee jerk I'm with @kev. My first response is to recoil with revulsion, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions. The first several I have is "Is this open source", "if it's a distributed social network as it claims, do we only block the Meta hosted instance(s), or all of them", and "if we don't block them all, will it even matter if we just block some"? There's just so many unanswered questions.
@mike @kev @tychosoft My biggest question/concern is about their business model. As a company their entire goal is to make profit, how are they gonna do that? Will they collect people's data? Will they put advertisements on fedi or on their apps? Will they have paywalled features like the twitter blue check mark? I feel like all of these are against the spirit of fedi, the reason why this place is what it is today is because its not commercialized and rely on donations instead.
@futureisfoss I would agree that it's against the spirit, and I agree that their business model is a huge question. Is it a reason to not federate? If Meta places ads in their UI, does that impact us in any way? I don't really think that it does. Technically that can be done with Mastodon without much effort. Equally, placing ads into the feeds can also be done. They don't need a social network to collect data as much of it is public anyway and can be read with 1/
@futureisfoss a standard RSS reader. Blocking p92 software for gathering publicly available information doesn't seem productive, and just hurts the users of the system, not Meta themselves. If their goal here is simply to hurt Twitter and improve their bottom line by doing so, is that something that warrants their instances being blocked? I'm not sure where I stand on that one. Many of the questions I have about data gathering aren't specific to p92. It worries 2/
@futureisfoss me significantly more having them behind a server because I know what their motivations are. @kev and I didn't get into this to make money, and only started taking donations because we couldn't afford to pay the bills anymore. Meta isn't going to stop at paying the bills. Then there's the fact that this is supposed to be distributed. Not a whole lot of details on what that means right now. Having meta1.social and meta2.social is a big Nope from me. If 3/
@futureisfoss the software is open source anybody can audit the software and create their own instances, how do we treat those instances? Is Facebook going to be inserting ads into those instances as well (as the big daddy instance of all p92 stuff)? Do we care if the users of those instances see ads but we don't? What if Meta is using AI to track people and some LLM to respond with "suggestions" that just MIGHT be in their best interest? I expect they'll 4/
@futureisfoss probably do something very much like that, if they're not already doing something similar in the Fed already covertly. There's just so many questions and not very many answers. I suspect that a lot of them are going to be academic as we won't have any way of getting answers to them without "trusting" Meta, and that's never going to happen. Sorry for the ramble. 5/5
@mike @kev @tychosoft Yeah I was gonna say that trust is an important factor here, no one trusts Meta, and for good reasons. We'll have to wait and see how things will turn out. For me personally I don't like the idea of a corporate entity with commercial interests joining an open non-profit community like the fediverse, can they even mutually coexist without one interfering with the other and creating problems? 🤷
@mike @kev @tychosoft Yeah I was gonna say that trust is an important factor here, no one trusts Meta, and for good reasons. We'll have to wait and see how things will turn out. For me personally I don't like the idea of a corporate entity with commercial interests joining an open non-profit community like the fediverse, can they even mutually coexist without one interfering with the other and creating problems? 🤷
I don't think it was a good idea for instance admins to agree to talk to Meta under a nondisclosure agreement, but that DOESN'T make it an excuse for people to go and harass those admins. If anything they're the victims of Meta IMO, and a lot of them may still be in favor of blocking Meta regardless of whether they agreed to the meeting or not. I think we have to stick together in situations like this and act accordingly, keep in mind that "divide and conquer" is a proven strategy.
@futureisfoss Trusting Meta is a no go, which is why we need a show, not tell environment. The question at that point becomes what are they doing that they're not telling us about? They're not going to be overt about all their methods. That's also why I'm torn regarding meeting with Meta behind an NDA. Information is always useful. It's just a question of who it's more useful for. Hypothetically, Eugen meeting Meta gives him information. But they know he has it.
Chris Trottier
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Just the protocol. Nothing else. There’s no other topic to debate.
And by the way, the reason I say this is because Meta can’t kill ActivityPub.
Chris Trottier
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •It won’t change anything, but for a brief moment, you’ll feel good about yourself.
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Unknown parent • • •billy joe bowers is tired 🇺🇦
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Unknown parent • • •Kev and Mike are awesome admins! 😃
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Rokosun
in reply to Mike Stone • • •@mike @kev @tychosoft Yeah I was gonna say that trust is an important factor here, no one trusts Meta, and for good reasons. We'll have to wait and see how things will turn out. For me personally I don't like the idea of a corporate entity with commercial interests joining an open non-profit community like the fediverse, can they even mutually coexist without one interfering with the other and creating problems? 🤷
Some other things I wrote about this - https://fosstodon.org/@futureisfoss/110572312022616810
@mike @kev @tychosoft Yeah I was gonna say that trust is an important factor here, no one trusts Meta, and for good reasons. We'll have to wait and see how things will turn out. For me personally I don't like the idea of a corporate entity with commercial interests joining an open non-profit community like the fediverse, can they even mutually coexist without one interfering with the other and creating problems? 🤷
Some other things I wrote about this - https://fosstodon.org/@futureisfoss/110572312022616810
Rokosun
2023-06-19 18:33:04
Mike Stone
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