What is your favorite Fediverse platform?
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I'll go first...
My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024
- Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.
- Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.
- Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I'm on
- Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don't know how but there's FediVideo.
- Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.
BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately
WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog...RIP.
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Kyle Judd
in reply to linearchaos • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Lemmy, shortly followed by Piefed.
Will probably switch once Piefed gets mobile apps support and comments view
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Blaze (he/him)
in reply to sabreW4K3 • • •Much more advanced moderation tools: join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/β¦
Actual instance blocking compared to the incomplete "mute communities" instance blocking on Lemmy
Development seems fasters than Lemmy, they are almost at feature parity while being much younger
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ChilledPeppers
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Dave
in reply to ChilledPeppers • • •PieFed communicates with Lemmy. Same content, different platform. That's one awesome thing about federation.
There is also mbin (fork of kbin), and Sublinks, which is API compatible with Lemmy so should be able to use Lemmy apps with it (from memory, this is what Beehaw are hoping to move to).
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OpenStars
in reply to ChilledPeppers • • •tron
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •imaqtpie
in reply to tron • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to tron • • •Lemmy admins can already see who downvotes what, I'm sure they already ban accounts who systematically downvote their communities content
It's a tool. If some admins power trip, well report them on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •SorteKanin
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:
OpenStars
in reply to SorteKanin • • •If it helps:
1) this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically "collapses" comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that "hides" comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user's behest.
2) it does have such a "reputation" feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather "known" for such. But crucially, it's a label - it doesn't hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it's a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won't work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.
Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it's something
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1) this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically "collapses" comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that "hides" comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user's behest.
2) it does have such a "reputation" feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather "known" for such. But crucially, it's a label - it doesn't hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it's a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won't work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.
Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it's something, and again it's just a label).
Yeah, I constantly get downvoted - and some of my posts are among the most heavily downvoted content existing in certain communities (but I also note that such things as Innuendo Studios The Alt Right Playbook got heavily downvoted by the same community as well so... I feel vindicated:-). So I mean it when I say that believe me I KNOW what you mean when expressing those concerns. Perhaps the experiment won't work out, or perhaps it merely needs tuning - e.g. so that any one post or comment doesn't weigh so heavily but rather only their aggregate (median rather than mean perhaps? or maybe only the binary choice of positive or negative total score, and even then perhaps not centered at zero but something more highly negative like -10?).
Also PieFed.social has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so those sources of downvoting are entirely removed. It also preferentially weights scores more highly feedback from those with high reputation already - which state I achieved in roughly a week and with only two posts, one a cross-post of the other even. So it's not like seniors are locking out the noobs.
Anyway yes there's enormous potential for misuse there, but it's also something that people have been clamoring for - so it's something that they are being responsive enough to try it out?
3) I'm not sure about the categories - but again the devs are very responsive so surely easy to change things? Also I've definitely joined communities that aren't in those, and while there are large federation issues with any non-Lemmy.World instance right now (I see the same from many instances including my 2 alt accounts elsewhere - so it has little to nothing to do with PieFed; especially after the enormous surge in content surrounding the USA election), I believe that they show up in the main feed.
4) I have never heard that before but I would support it - more "experimental" communities should be allowed, to try things out, a "safe space" if you will:-).
All of these are valid concerns - and seem like they are being worked on.
SorteKanin
in reply to OpenStars • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to SorteKanin • • •OpenStars
in reply to SorteKanin • • •Absolutely π―!
And truth be told, we don't know what the future holds as well. As moderation tools improve on Lemmy.World, as communities evolve, and new concepts rise to the foreground e.g. PieFed, and also Sublinks, both on top of Mbin too.
A year ago I thought one way about e.g. communities located on Lemmy.ml, then time passed and I changed my mind. Then technology changed and I switched instances to follow.
What I am saying is: it is so fantastic to have choices! βΊοΈ THAT is the real win in this situation, IMHO, whether I end up liking PieFed's approach or not. π
SorteKanin
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to SorteKanin • • •dborba
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to dborba • • •I will concede that it could be problematic, but as for "bad", I think that depends heavily on the implementation?
A positive example: "new" accounts could be labeled, to help identify someone who e.g. could use some pointers as for how to do formatting, like how to embed rather than simply link to an image. I have zero issues with this kind of factually-based, simple labels, and from looking at the user requests in various places (Ask Lemmy, Shower Thoughts, etc.), people very much want this.
Now, complex labels on the other hand, or those that are not straightforward but rather deceivingly simplistic such as "this person is GOOD, this other person is BAD" are a whole other matter altogether. I'm with you there.
So what about the in-between: is it worth it to use spam filters at all, even though it might throw out something good along the way? The answer to that seems to me to be how well it is tuned, and also ofc up to the user to decide if worth it to them or not. On that note, the account admin
... Show more...I will concede that it could be problematic, but as for "bad", I think that depends heavily on the implementation?
A positive example: "new" accounts could be labeled, to help identify someone who e.g. could use some pointers as for how to do formatting, like how to embed rather than simply link to an image. I have zero issues with this kind of factually-based, simple labels, and from looking at the user requests in various places (Ask Lemmy, Shower Thoughts, etc.), people very much want this.
Now, complex labels on the other hand, or those that are not straightforward but rather deceivingly simplistic such as "this person is GOOD, this other person is BAD" are a whole other matter altogether. I'm with you there.
So what about the in-between: is it worth it to use spam filters at all, even though it might throw out something good along the way? The answer to that seems to me to be how well it is tuned, and also ofc up to the user to decide if worth it to them or not. On that note, the account admin piefed.social/u/rimu has an "attitude" score that I've seen hovering around the 75-82% range, so I doubt we would see a filter such as "must never downvote or receive downvotes", or 90%, or even 50%. On the other hand, if let's say ~>90% of someone's every single post and comment were downvoted heavily, on an account older than let's say a month, that seems like a different story? That speaks to a repeated pattern of someone not taking a hint as to how their content affects others around them. A horrible implementation could be too simple minded and count e.g. every post or comment as "bad" even if it received 1000+ upvotes but got one downvote, but a smart implementation could do MUCH better than such?
Ofc people could misuse those in any case - but how is that different from anything else? e.g. I could see a "he/him", and decide that I don't want to talk with "a man" or "a person who uses pronouns". And frankly, someone uses such quick judgement calls is perhaps best to avoid talking with their hated audience anyway, if they are e.g. misogynistic or whatever.
Gaming the system is a better counterargument - but that too is like spam filtering: not a reason to not do it at all (and thereby allow all spam through?), but rather realizing that no system is perfect. Which is why I like how these are LABELS, not filters. (There are filters too, but those are per-comment/post, not per-user.)
So, as long as it is optional, and not heavy-handed, I am excited to see how this may develop. Definitely there are concerns, as there would be for any software project or social media endeavor. Remember that there are significant concerns with Lemmy as well:-) - e.g. a good fraction of people on Reddit refuse to check us out due to the known political leanings of the devs. However, it's a strong counterargument that the model is federated, so someone doesn't have to join lemmy.ml, yet can still make use of the software from them. Btw the same applies to PieFed as well - it is open source and anyone can spin up their own instance.
So: we'll see how it develops. I think that an extremely limited amount of labelling could be helpful, if applied with care and consideration.
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in reply to abff08f4813c • • •yep, fedidb has it at a single instance;
fedidb.org/software/kbin
i wish i could get a hold of kbin.social if no one is going to do anything with it.. maybe forward it to fedia.io
abff08f4813c
in reply to originalucifer • • •What's interesting is that currently, the site is broken, but in the footer you can see the last set of magazines that were new.
Which means the database is still intact, and if not a full resurrection, we could get our data back at least (I lost a lot of content when kbin.social went down). Just gotta figure out who to contact - which company is actually maintaining or hosting the servers that kbin.social run on..
hOrni
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •seaQueue
in reply to hOrni • • •breakfastmtn
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Lemmy has eaten up just about all the time I used to spend on Mastodon. Pixelfed would be in the running for #1 if it hadn't become so vaporware-y in the last few months.
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grimer
in reply to breakfastmtn • • •breakfastmtn
in reply to grimer • • •I use peertube.tv.
Stux (from mstdn.social) is the admin and he's generally pretty great a running stuff. I haven't used it a ton lately but no complaints!
Edit: Daaaamn. Just realized that registrations are disabled. Bummer. Sorry.
grimer
in reply to breakfastmtn • • •Faresh
in reply to grimer • • •Daeraxa
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Out of curiosity rather than necessity, are there any activitypub based messaging apps (i.e matrix/discord-like)?
One not listed is Ibis (ibis.wiki/) which hasn't had much traction. Honestly unsure of how useful it is as a direct wikipedia replacement but i can see it as a cool idea for a bunch of related communities that would otherwise be on separate wikis.
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in reply to kirbowo808 • • •eldrichhydralisk
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Mastodon has successfully replaced Twitter for me, so it's by far my favorite. It does still need better tools for dealing with large-scale posts and users, but overall it feels like it's actually doing the job I want done.
I want to like Piefed/Lemmy more than I actually do. The Fediverse answer to Reddit just doesn't feel ready for prime time yet. It's hard to find/connect with communities and the user base doesn't have that "can address basically any question" magic.
OpenStars
in reply to eldrichhydralisk • • •Right now the tools wouldn't support mainstream users anyway. They will only come after those are ready, and even then it will be a struggle.
But for now, e.g. a good fraction of the time on PieFed.social a notification won't take me to where it is intending to send me, bc of some prior comment being collapsed, hidden, buried in a thread, etc. - and this is the kind of stuff that will quickly send mainstream people packing.
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in reply to BossDj • • •Following hashtags is really powerful and useful on Mastodon. You can click any hashtag on a post to see other posts that use it, and if you like it there's a button you can click to start following that hashtag. You can also search for hashtags in the Explore section. Since there's no algorithm, hashtags are the primary way to get things that interest you into your feed.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services posts tips on how to use Mastodon, so it's really helpful to follow as a newbie.
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services posts lists of interesting accounts on Mastodon, usually by topic. It's a good way to grow your follow list!
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Unknown parent • • •As far as I can tell there's been no communication from him for several months and not since he posted saying he'd turn kbin.social over to a new admin.
But the domain for kbin.social was recently renewed (I posted full details over at fedia.io/m/fediverse/t/1403334β¦ ) which gives me hope that ernest is still around, just a bit more behind the scenes.
Of course, it could also be that the domain was simply auto-renewed (as described in godaddy.com/en-ca/help/turn-my⦠). I think some registrars or services even offer prepayment options for auto-renewing, meaning that ernest might have set this all up before he disappeared, rather than slowly reappearing now...
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in reply to Eggyhead • • •What's your current kbin instance? Curious to see if it's running mbin now or if it really is the original kbin on there still.
Also, anyone remember kbin.cafe ?
InternetCitizen2
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in reply to InternetCitizen2 • • •pseudo
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •But to read content from all over the fediverse, it is best to have an account on the twittoverse. I use Sharkey. I can access so much content that's not on Lemmy. It is much less of an echo chamber plus there is lots of people and I can still post to Lemmy.
seaQueue
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Lemmy, I like the simple post structure with all related commentary under the original submission.
Mastodon is fine for people who like it but it's hard to follow the thread of replies as every reply is its own individual post.
I guess the twatter format makes sense for dashing off quick messages but I find it hard to follow and it's difficult to find communities and topics of interest without also including a shit-ton of noise along with the signal.
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •It technically still is in development. But all the devs lack time, and the devs themselves officialy recomment WriteFreely on the Plume website.
Even though Plume has features that are nothing but TBD plans for WriteFreely (e.g. comments, built-in image storage).
PlzGivHugs
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •OpenStars
in reply to PlzGivHugs • • •Iirc Mastodon is about to add a global search function. I've never used it, nor even Twitter (back before it was cancelled into X), just passing on what I heard.
And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of "Lemmy" (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).
α΄α΄α΄α΄Κα΄Κ εΈ
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in reply to Kyle Judd • • •I try to post little things aken to Tumblr shitposts but I've gotten a grand total of 0 likes.
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viking
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Nextcloud is federated? First time I hear about that.
For me it's Lemmy, without a doubt. Never used Twitter, tried mastodon to see what it's all about, didn't like it.
Matrix seems decent, but nobody I know uses it, and finding useful groups is painful, especially on other instances (servers, whatever they call them).
JustEnoughDucks
in reply to viking • • •Also, I am confused at why nextcloud is at the intersection of networking, music, and multimedia.
Yes it technically has a video viewer and music player, but I would be very surprised if any person in the world right now is genuinely using it to post that content to the fediverse social-network style.
vittoria666
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Cossty
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Instead, I switched from goodreads to StoryGraph like two years ago.
I really like some of its features like content warnings, moods, very detailed stats of my reading habits, etc.
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in reply to Kyle Judd • • •FundMECFS
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •I wanna check out the fediverse blogging platforms, they seem interesting. Which one would you recommend? I looked at writefreely but it seems that none of the instances let you post as many blogs as you want unless you pay?
Also, is anyone working a fediverse IMDB/letterboxed alternative that uses OMDB dataset?
Perhaps a Bookwyrm fork could make it not too hard to start.
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in reply to Kyle Judd • • •A Roblox alternative in the fediverse.
Because I want to get off Roblox.
Read Bio
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in reply to Read Bio • • •Closed source and aimed for kids, sorry
Already read its ToS
It will suffer the same fate as Roblox
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in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Kyle Judd
in reply to lizard-socks • • •I was a Mastodon artist before, but then I almost left the Fediverse and came back restarting my entire social status also.
I have characters, but no inspriation.
Plus, I killed off my WordPress websites because the CEO was setting a bad example.
C126
in reply to lizard-socks • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to C126 • • •Ackchually, most of the Fediverse runs on professionally-operated Hetzner rack iron at huge data centres in Germany.
Even if this comes from 22% of the Fediverse being mastodon.social.
Traumkaempfer
in reply to b00m • • •molave
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Kyle Judd
in reply to molave • • •I understand that.
Lemmy is a handy platform.
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in reply to Nate • • •secret300
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •For me it's definitely Lemmy. I don't like the microblogging format and never have. I've always used forums and then reddit.
The fediverse just works so well with Lemmy I think. It's so fun seeing new communities from instances I've never heard of. I think this format is perfect for the fediverse
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Unknown parent • • •John
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Its worth a look :)
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π¦πΊππ¦ππ₯ππππ£π ππ ππππ
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Lemmy
Peertube - the linux experiment is all i got so far but more content would b great. Also tubular integration is sick
Matrix
Mastodon
Havnt tried the rest but open to beibg convinced
Kyle Judd
in reply to π¦πΊππ¦ππ₯ππππ£π ππ ππππ • • •Youβd like Fediverse apps instead of all the more mainstream apps the world is using.
I left Facebook and Reddit because other people in my life are the real monsters.
Mastodon and Lemmy are nicer communities depending on what instance you go to.
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Ziglin (it/they)
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •I pretty much only use Lemmy but also contact friends and share photos on a Nextcloud instance one of them kindly provided (I assume it isn't federated though?).
I would really like to start using matrix but unless I host my own instance and get everything ready I'll never be able to convince my friends to switch, though some of them are slowly getting fed up with discord too.
Kyle Judd
in reply to Ziglin (it/they) • • •Ziglin (it/they)
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •I mostly use Discord for a few group chats, unixporn (please post more of it to Lemmy :3 !unixporn@lemmy.world) and some BG3 stuff. If the group chats moved to Matrix+Jitsi or even some form of Signal (that is still foss and does not require a phone number, self-hosted if possible) I would barely use Discord.
Edit because somehow I missed the most relevant part: I already barely get memes or trolls so not too many changes there.
Kyle Judd
in reply to Ziglin (it/they) • • •Ziglin (it/they)
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Kyle Judd • • •Hubzilla. Closely followed by the intentionally nameless fork of a fork...... of Hubzilla that's colloquially being referred to as (streams).
Perks of both (excerpt):
- not based on ActivityPub, it's actually optional; you can turn/keep it off if you want to
- nomadic identity; my channels are resilient against instance shutdown because they aren't restricted to one instance
- multiple channels = IDs on one and the same account/login; no need to register additional user accounts for this, and you can easily switch back and forth between channels
- OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, both client-side and server-side suppor
... Show more...Hubzilla. Closely followed by the intentionally nameless fork of a fork...... of Hubzilla that's colloquially being referred to as (streams).
Perks of both (excerpt):
Extra perks of Hubzilla:
Extra perks of (streams):
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