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Twitch declares “Zionist” a slur — and a bannable offense


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in reply to Alsephina

OK, so people can use the definition instead. In fact it might be more useful.
in reply to Avid Amoeba

I'm still not sure what it means, judging by the comments here it (murderer / terrorist etc) it does seem to be used as a slur. So yeah, using the definition instead would be useful.
in reply to Alsephina

Zionists really captured that platform.
in reply to INHALE_VEGETABLES

Congrats on your Bush era islamaphobia you ghoul
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in reply to INHALE_VEGETABLES

I would like to see a version where it's pro Israel and zionist quote or terrorist quote
in reply to Alsephina

Can we make Twitch a slur for terrible tech companies.
in reply to chloroken

All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol
in reply to Alsephina

Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.

Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.

in reply to InfiniteGlitch

Twitch is garbage, so you moved to a platform ran by a gambling company, where rules practically don't exist, and the majority of the userbase is vehemently sexist and racist? That's a level of mental gymnastics I genuinely will never understand
in reply to InfiniteGlitch

Even technologically Twitch has always been shit. For all the hate YT rightfully deserves, I'm kinda glad they just said "ok we do livestreaming now too" one day and it works so much better. Simply so I never have to use twitch ever again.
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in reply to zqps

The issue with YouTube is, I don't see many people on it to Stream (or I just don't look in the right direction?). I barely to not use Twitch these days, sometimes Kick but that's about it.
in reply to Alsephina

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.
in reply to ceoofanarchism

From the link of this post that you could have clicked on:

Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”
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in reply to Azzu

but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”


Yeah, how dare people try to demean someone just because they checks notes hold dehumanizing beliefs and support a government and movement bent on removing the people from their land so they can steal it and build new homes while ethnically cleansing the existing population.

smh my head.

in reply to Alsephina

I'm willing to get this will increase the amount of actual ethnic slurs.
in reply to Alsephina

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.
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in reply to 1984

And on top of that, pretty much all the platforms, even all the way down to this one, are censored in at least one increasingly-relevant way.
in reply to grue

At least we can still talk about butt stuff in peace.
in reply to Alsephina

Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

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in reply to Alsephina

Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.
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in reply to Alsephina

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Peace is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

Edit - corrected Jewish Voices for Peace

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in reply to JovialMicrobial

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.


Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

in reply to anarchotoothbrushist

I know there's a lot of Christians involved but how do we know it's the majority? Young Israelis are raised largely around Zionist propaganda after all.
in reply to zqps

the majority of zionists are christians.


us braindead fundies are numbered in dozens of millions and they largely support Zionism.

in rural US, radio glorifying genocide... it is very disturbing.

in reply to zqps

There's about 100 million evangelical christians in the US, and a LifeWay poll in 2017 showed that about 80% essentially considered themselves zionists. That's 80 million. There's 15.8 million jews worldwide. So the non-Jewish zionists outweigh Jewish zionists by a fair margin. Heck, they outweigh the zionist and the non-zionist jews taken together by a beefy margin, even.
in reply to wpb

That's an insane number. Must be a very broad definition of Zionist.
in reply to zqps

oh no, statistics that challenge my world view! Quick, let's not look into it at all and move the goal posts!


Could you at least try to engage in this discussion? Or maybe come up with any evidence supporting your world view?

in reply to wpb

A different definition of the term isn't a different worldview. Also, not immediately spinning every exchange into an exhaustive debate isn't a critical character flaw. Unlike being an insufferable ass about not getting the amount of attention you apparently feel entitled to.

Though I would take look at that poll about 80% of Christians being "essentially" Zionists if you'd link to it.

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in reply to JovialMicrobial

If you had looked at the link of this post, you would have read:

Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”


I.e. nothing is masqueraded here as long as they keep to this. This seems to be a reasonable policy. I've seen a couple of instances of people being derogatorily called zionists just for supporting the people of current Israel not being pushed away out of their now decades-old homes, which is hard to still call Zionist if they don't support any further expansion and any offensive military action.

There's almost never anything gained to use "Zionist" on someone as if saying "asshole".

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in reply to Azzu

I guess my pessimistic lens is a little strong and I generally don't trust large companies to act in good faith. So maybe I'm over scrutinizing here and being a bit of a curmudgeon.

I think your perspective is fair, and it's likely this is akin to a high school faculty dealing with some random word or idea becoming a meme of sorts and causing problems. So they have to write some new rule that sounds ridiculous or weird.

It sucks there's so much racism and bigotry driving forces in the world that it's hard to not be dubious of everything. You always kinda wonder about the actual motivation behind things like this.

in reply to Azzu

Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”



Zionist is a political term, it has nothing to do with one’s background or religious belief.

in reply to Anas

You're entirely right.

But see if the political view is only held by members or a certain religious group (even if not all members of said religion accept said political thought), it's easy to conflate it, so that you can ban anyone opposing said political thought based on "they're discriminating against me because of my religion".

Fuck twitch.

in reply to Dasus

Except not all Zionists are Jews, many are Christian.
in reply to Schmoo

Well, I guess, but... you could argue that Zionists are mostly seen to be purely Jewish due to the nature of the movement.
in reply to Azzu

which is hard to still call Zionist if they don't support any further expansion and any offensive military action.


Your 'if' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. And is fucking hilarious given they keep expanding and pushing people out of their decades old homes.

Funny how that part seems to be ignored in defense of zionists....

in reply to Passerby6497

say what you say about state of Israel but they got AIPAC to run propaganda of the history!

being able to mobilize foreign population to support your genocide really is the psyop of all times lol

in reply to Azzu

Zionists identify themselves as zionists. How's that a slur?
in reply to small44

I identify myself as a homosexual.

I've heard homo being used in a derogatory way as an insult. That usage should not be tolerated.

Retarded is just a medical term, yet you can use it as an insult as well.

That is what this "specification of conditional" aims at. It's fine to use the word in a descriptive way, you're just not allowed to go around angrily calling people "fucking zionist"

in reply to Azzu

They use the word starting with F not the word homosexual
in reply to JovialMicrobial

Which makes the blob anti-semitic for saying anti-zionism is anti-semitic.
in reply to Alsephina

How about "genocidal assholes?"
Can they still say that?
in reply to Alsephina

Never used it and never will, but maybe we can make Twitch become a slur?
in reply to مهما طال الليل

This might be out of context for the article, but once we are in /c/technology get this: GIMP is a slur, and their slogan during startup is "we glitch because we twitch" which makes me want to kick them in the nuts every time I use the fucking software.
in reply to Alsephina

Didn't few weeks ago it was accused of being anti Semite? This shows that it's the opposite
in reply to small44

If you're equating the Jewish people with zionism, or conflating being in favor of zionism as somehow being benevolent to the Jewish people as a whole, you are treating the Jewish people as a monolith and are yourself being anti-semitic. Zionism is perfectly compatible with anti-semitism (see for example all those anti-semitic christians who enthusiastically support zionism), and anti-zionism is in itself not anti-semitic (cf Jewish voice for peace).

So making "zionist" a slur has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with being anti-anti-semitic or not.

in reply to wpb

I removed my comment because I realized after that I've would be interpreted like that. I don't believe that all Jews are zionists
in reply to small44

Fair enough, all good. I'm leaving mine up because I think the point about the conflation of anti-zionism and anti-semitism being in itself antisemitic bears repeating.
in reply to Alsephina

Is this why we should not delegate the control of hate speech to the state, because it will always blow up in our faces?
in reply to OneMeaningManyNames

Jewish Supremacism was the instigating lobby for such laws. They wanted to enable other "supremacist liberal-themed" movements to take advantage, and hopefully ally, with Zionism. Me too, at the height of the cultural wars, essentially was representing that women can never lie.

An inherent problem with equality, awareness for oppressed groups, advocacy is that the advocacy never stops at equality. The ADL is canonical example of supremacist overreach.

in reply to humanspiral

I am not subscribing to this bullshit, and I am sad my comment enabled you to spew it out. "Me too" was a valid and necessary movement to combat sexual assaults that were institutionalized in many industries and protected by law enforcement and judicial authorities. Many prominent figures went rightfully to jail for sex crimes, and the proportion of women lying about it is rather small to make a political argument off it. Tracing back "liberal-themed supremacy movements" to Jewish supremacism sounds to me quite close to Nazi conspiracy theory, to take any of this seriously. I am sorry this reached my feed, and I can't wait to engage the likes of you in combat.
in reply to OneMeaningManyNames

sorry to be triggering, but there is a link between zionists using "Jews have a history of oppression" linking to "everything a zionist says is true" is a related tactic to "empowerment advocacy" doesn't stop after equality achieved. Hate crime legislation was sponsored by zionists, but they welcomed allies into broadening protections. Flipping out over the comment is a supremacist tactic.
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in reply to wpb

I wish I could upvote this more.

Edit: a word

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in reply to wpb

the problem is that about 75% of people have no idea what happened during the partition plan and 20% who do think what the Zionists did were justified (even pre partition/pre war/war time(
in reply to wpb

Izan - Nazi backwards Iz A Nazi or IzrAeli Nazi
in reply to Alsephina

Once genz matures, public opinion on Israel will shift. I hope Israel enters the "and find out" stage.

Fuck 'em, disgusting parasites leeching on US might to commit a genocide. Americans will pay for this too...

next 9/11: why would anybody do this to us 🤡

sad reality many of us did not sign up to fund the genocide but AIPAC was able to infiltrated state and corpos from within while avoiding foreign agent registration.

our spooks are fucking useless...

in reply to Alsephina

Are they gonna lock up genocide joe for hate crimes?

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in reply to Alsephina

But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.
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in reply to Thteven

I actually do think “zionist” is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too).


Do any of the forms of zionism (a belief that they should own the land) involve market purchases of the land they would like? (instead of settler colonial theft?)

in reply to Thteven

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/*remov…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetbac…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spic

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(…

So yeah. Not that 'Zionist' is a slur

Edit: Really, shitty censorship bot? We're adulterating URLs now, and selectively only that specific slur? Gross on both counts

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in reply to Alsephina

sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

wow twitch, very brave!!

in reply to Alsephina

"How dare you use a word that means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate' in a way that explicitly means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate'!" - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.
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in reply to Alsephina

Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won't)
in reply to lorty

One of the orchestrators of this whole thing, Destiny, defends child porn and the use of slurs.

Ironic is putting it lightly.

in reply to Alsephina

They probably don't like zionazi either. Neither this nor zionist is a code word for Jew. The entire political class, the great majority being Christian, and their donors are zionist, because going with the flow of AIPAC is path to get your candidates to also serve your oligarchist or Christofascist protections.

Netanyahuists or likudists or Mossadists or Epsteinists ok?

BTW, Chuck Shumer is going to allow a vote in Senate over this "criticism of zionism is anti semitic" law in US. Reddit also supports mods who recomend permabans over criticism of zionism already.

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in reply to Alsephina

Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that 'bibi's removed' is a good term.
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in reply to Alsephina

They already banned a swathe of pro-palestinian political streamers in the run up to the US election, so this is likely retroactive reasoning.
in reply to Alsephina

I really don't like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.