Yesterday we had some elderly people over for our bday and at some point we talked about billionaires and how they should not exist

I started about taxing the super rich and getting rid of loop holes but they kept repeating stuff like:

"It's just how it is, accept it" and "We can't do anything about it, it's just how it woks."

And it kinda triggered me a bit..

Why the F would you accept shit as is?!

These are the same people who allow fascists to take over and start another world war..

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It feels like I spend half my life arguing either "if we don't keep saying this is wrong it will never change" or "this isn't going to change after time so soon so we need to..."

This includes the arguing with myself. It's so hard some days to have the serenity to keep on believing things can and should change and doing what's possible, while also dealing with the reality of what's here right now. But it is also the only way to live life where I can both survive now and live with myself later.​

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I think that sort of lazy thinking is present across the generations.
Society has always* seemed to be split into those who accept the status quo, those who don't, and those who are prepared to attempt to change society.
(*Speaking as a 70 year old)

I don't think these divisions are necessarily driven by class or education, more by life experiences, and maybe to some extent the attitude of parents.

The ones who fight for change need the 'passive' group for support (moral, financial & political). The passive group can influence the 'acceptance' group to change their views, and to take simple action like voting differently.
People may slowly move between groups as their circumstances change.

Just my theory.

Hold the faith!

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Learned helplessness?

Age has taught me that there are some things that no matter how vile, are just inevitable, and there are hard limits on how much one can do about them. When you have expended tons of energy and emotion on something only to see it revert each time, you start picking your fights to only those where you can make a difference.

Sometimes that is mistaken, because it was actually possible, but sometimes it is realistic

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I am not sure *how* old these elderly people are but a good portion of elderly people aren't truly aware of "just how it is".

As just a surface example, I bought my home in 1999 for about $140k, and a home just like mine on my street recently sold for over $600k. My parents see this sort of thing on the news and are aware of it and will say things like "it must be hard for young people to buy a home if they are barely making $200k/year eh?" And I am like "oh mum they're lucky to make much more than half that" and they are just mind blown.

My parents were born before WW2 and grew up through the end of the depression and wartime rations so know hardship, but have lived their entire lives through fairly constant progress and prosperity. For older boomers they don't even know that pre war hardship, and comfortably retired they are all quite isolated from the experience of young adults. They cannot conceive of the concept 1st world society has unacceptably declined in recent years.

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People who started out in the boom years before the Reagan/Thatcher reaction, when taxes on the rich prevented the emergence of billionaires and there was funding for social goods and services, have lost perspective. It's the baseline fallacy: they just assume what they had is normal.

And admitting things are different now would mean acknowledging that all the reactionary tax cuts and roll-backs of social benefits they voted for were at the expense of others. It would mean they were selfish. Not intentionally, of course: but they bought the BS.

@stux

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Though i agree there's this: the older, the more wars experienced and the more war-weary.

Grew up during the cold war, had a glimpse, a moment of hope when the soviet enemy fell, lost that after during both Iraq wars, 9/11, Aleppo, Bucha, 7/10 and recently tRump and his maggats.

57, Seriously think i'm not going to make it to 60. Have hit the Hopium too often, it doesn't work any more.