Trump exasperated by his poor polling on the economy
Trump exasperated by his poor polling on the economy
'When will people understand what is happening? When will Polls reflect the Greatness of America at this point in time, and how bad it was just one year ago?' Trump wrote Thursday on social media after the opinion poll from the University of Chicago …Le Monde with AFP (Le Monde)
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US engaging in ‘extreme rightwing tropes’ reminiscent of 1930s, British MPs warn
US engaging in ‘extreme rightwing tropes’ reminiscent of 1930s, British MPs warn
House of Commons calls on Keir Starmer to condemn Donald Trump’s ‘interference’ in European politicsEleni Courea (The Guardian)
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Finally, that's a very common reaction I see online and all I can think of it is that it is very feminine in nature, lol.
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House of Commons calls on Keir Starmer to condemn Donald Trump’s ‘interference’ in European politics
That's pure comedy gold.
The House of Commons seems to have never had a problem interfering in the politics of other countries. For example, in Georgia:
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In various degrees and according to domestic conditions, the trend is the same all over the empire.
The US never went through a character arc. Why and how would they? They're hyper focused on violence and the self, leaving behind morality, self reflection and self restraint, and they're self-centered enough that they never cared for someone else's suffering. This is also why the US is not an actual community but a collection of competing strangers. It's a nation of selfish villains, basically Western European culture on crack (which would make Israel Western culture on fent? lol), the unholy child of the two major historical villains France and the UK...
After all these years, they're the same people, the same amoral, heartless morons. They haven't changed and they never will without external help, because from their Anglo-Saxon/Western European origins they will only find idk forest fairies and Viking pillaging and orgies in their ideological toolbox. So whatever excuse for violent takeover they had centuries ago will work again today, and I don't think it'll change, not for at least 50 years post American balkanization or something, and God knows when that's gonna happen.
Yeah...both can be scumbags. One has camps.
Hardly rich, they are shit on a smaller scale.
There is a small group of accounts on .ml who keep posting this shit.
This is the first time I've ever seen an .mler criticizing this behavior.
Any MLM supporting Putin is a fake.
I agree. Real multi-level-marketing scheme cults only support trump or similar.
1) I'd like a source on that, the way you phrase it is suspiciously dramatic
2) It absolutely is, since the weakening of NATO and the US empire is a net positive to all socialist projects everywhere on earth. It doesn't matter who the capitalist hegemon loses a proxy war to, that loss is socialism's gain.
Ukraine ready to accept Donbas demilitarized zone in concession to end war
Ukraine ready to accept Donbas demilitarized zone in concession to end war
Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak tells Le Monde that the zone would require Ukrainian and Russian forces to both pull back from the front line.Philippe Ricard (Le Monde)
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IMO, it is. Trump wants a “win” that he can bullshit about. Ukraine won’t give up territory (understandable) and Europe is backing Ukraine and freezing assets outside the reach of the US
[1]Trump is clueless. Not sure he can even point out Ukraine on a map. Not sure any of his bitches can either.
Euroclear warned that without clear legal ownership structures and enforceable rights, investor confidence could be undermined, potentially disrupting broader European capital flows.
both euroclear and russia have promised to bring up legal action ensuring that this economic nightmare comes to pass and this combined w their recent capitulations to trump goes to show how much the eu will cut off its nose to spite its face to the detriment of its future.
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Quit with these nonsense fever dreams. Nothing of what you described is remotely relevant to the discussion.
The party to blame for the failure of 2016 and 2024 WA the Democratic party. Trump was and is one of the least popular candidates of all time. Democrats litterally needed to make some of the worst strategic choices available to them to lose to him, and they did.
It's the Democrats fault they lost both those elections. The lost those elections by blaming voters in advance while they courted a non existent center.
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At least some of the hard r's I once knew back then, blue collar old timers in the factory, supported Bernie. When he was not the one running, guess who they voted for.
It was the biggest mistake.
In related news, I saw today what year other countries implemented universal healthcare... My jaw dropped as I saw many dates listed long before I was even born.
I'm so sad.
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Google life. Google a family. Google a washing machine and mind numbing spirit crushing game shows
Well I didn't Google life. I googled something else.
I still love my ex-wife and you can't stop me either (hell I tried very hard to stop and couldn't).
Why? Cause I fell in love and it doesn't have to make any fucking sense.
(Jill Stein, though....nah)
Starting to think you are Steven Crowder. Would explain loving Jill Stein.
But seriously I hope you can understand that I agree you don't need to justify your opinion, but usually when people state an opinion online it's to discuss said opinion. Usually when people say they love something they also love talking about said thing. If you don't want to talk about Jill Stein then by all means I agree you don't have to. But you did, though. No one asked, you offered it up freely. Then when asked to follow up you instead lashed out. Telling me to delete my account? Why? Because I asked in the nicest way humanly possible why you feel the way that you self-declared that you do? If asking a question is, to you, tantamount to an interrogation and being unable to handle the opinions of others, and the only consequence that makes any sense to you is to delete my account, then by your own logic... If you can't handle follow up questions, then shouldn't you keep your opinions to yourfuckingself? Hm?
Ahh yes. The votes that Democrats are owed.
In a FPtP voting system you must vote strategically. You must vote against the party you like least. Those who say they align with leftist values but only come out of the woodwork every four years to call the Democrats names and throw their vote away on a 3rd party are worse than useless.
Real change is slow and takes constant effort, and it's heartbreaking watching idiots sit back, repeat a bunch of Russian propaganda talking points at other idiots, and completely derail that effort because it didn't pay off immediately enough for them.
A number so high it would round to zero
I don't see how rounding is relevant, but if you do then that explains a lot.
You are doing the thing which caused the Democrats to lose the election, here now.
See, y'all keep saying that, but what is the thing exactly? What is it precisely that you think I'm doing and how is it causing democrats to lose elections?
I mean I get it overall. I caucused for Bernie in a blue state and primaried for him in a red one. I saw how the party sabotaged him and I do believe Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump in 2016. But how is anything I've said remotely me doing that?
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Firstly, and I want to be very clear, this exact line of thinking is, in my view, one of the biggest political self-sabotage of the last decade. The "strategic voting" sermon is a toxic meme: it flatters people into thinking they’re doing game theory, when what they’re actually doing is laundering fear, cynicism, and party discipline into moral obligation.
In a FPtP voting system you must vote strategically. You must vote against the party you like least.
No. I don't “must” do anything, and neither does any other voter. A vote is not a hostage note. It’s not a loyalty oath. It’s a signal of preference, and people will use it that way whether or not you approve.
And the biggest problem is: the whole argument relies on a fantasy version of voters. It assumes (1) everyone agrees on who is "viable," (2) everyone shares the same ranking of "least bad," and (3) everyone will coordinate on the same "strategic" choice. That’s not how human beings behave. People have different risk tolerances, different values, different lines they won’t cross, and different beliefs about what’s possible. You can’t brute-force a coordination problem by scolding individuals.
Worse: preaching "strategic voting" is self-fulfilling sabotage. The constant message of "don’t vote for who you want, vote for who you’re allowed to want" depresses enthusiasm, trains people to expect disappointment as the price of participation, and gives a hall pass to candidates to believe they no longer need to work for your vote. If you’re trying to help a candidate or party win, telling potential supporters that their real preferences are irresponsible is a great way to push them into disengagement, protest votes, or staying home, ALL of which are perfectly viable options.
What the "must vote strategically" story really does: it shifts responsibility away from candidates and parties to earn votes, and puts the onus on voters to simply accept less bad, which loses elections. It turns elections into a blame game where voters are treated like malfunctioning parts that need to be corrected, and it handed the country to fascism.
And I noticed what you did, trying to claim this as Russian propaganda. Again, deeply toxic, but I wouldn't expect less from someone espousing the strategy that handed the country to Fascism.
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Literally mentioned an example of democrats failing in my now removed comment, but with context removed it's real easy to say something banal and act like you've really accomplished something.
And discussing the logistics of our current electoral system is not liberalism, mod 🙄
The context works, but you're very right, I changed it from it's traditional meaning use in my sentence
I don't even want to give validation to the party name, it's not correct. Solid r's is a good idea, and maybe I should have said that. Should I change it? I don't mean no harm except to the traitors. As I think of it though, solid as an adjective has a neutral/positive connotation. Gonna need somthing with a negative connotation, no?
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They literally wrote in a book what they were going to do and then did it, and were caught doing it and kept doing it, and they continue doing it despite the fact they keep getting caught because so many have their heads buried squarely in the sand. But yeah, deeply toxic to point out. Definitely the cause of fascism.
Not wasting my time having this conversation when any thought out well reasoned response is just going to be removed by someone tripping on the least amount of power possible. But I will say you are reading this incorrectly. I don't say must because you're in a hostage situation, I say must because it is what has to happen to avoid fascism. Put your oppositional defiance disorder aside for a second and look at the situation realistically and objectively. Those saying the Dems are fascist anyway need a swift reality check, the Biden era was a golden age compared to this singular year. Do the Dems have to do more and better? Of course they do, that's neither here nor there, but holding them to initially higher standards than Republicans just lets the Republicans get away with literal actual murder.
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Every voter you blame for the failure of the Democrats to do the literally measliest effort to court their own base is two voters you've cost us in the next election. If you blame greens, your doing 3x damage to the future prospects of Democrats.
You are doing actual fucking damage in the effort to stop fascism when you blame voters instead of the party. If you did it during the last election cycle, you literally paved the way for Trump to come into power.
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Let me also say, you are right that blaming specific groups of voters is not a good campaign strategy. I’m not suggesting we go knock on doors and berate people who identify as leftist but refuse to vote for Democrats. Of course it’s better to try and persuade them.
That being said, I can personally come to the conclusion that 2024 was in part their fault, and it does no harm to tell the truth on an obscure web forum that maybe 100 people will read.
She's worse than that. She wastes her party's limited resources on fruitless (counter productive even) presidential campaigns for personal clout.
If she was serious, and not a complete fraud, she'd be putting her effort into smaller campaigns all over the country to build the party up.
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I've heard this argument before.
I've already heard the argument that national campaigns are how you gain national media publicity. So it's the most cost effective way to raise the Green Party profile.
However you want to slice it, the current political system is very deliberately designed to keep people like Jill Stein quarantined and silenced. Insisting she's the problem seems to miss the forest of disinformation and corporate propaganda for a very small pro-environmentalist tree.
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Trump won because he talked about the shit folk cared about (economy and jobs). He was lying obviously, but Dems had a more decent candidate and put nothing forward. You have to say what you'll do, not what you won't. Dems priority is keeping a moderate grip on selections. They stiffed Bernie and got through coronation of Harris.
Any reasonable candidate and message and they'd win. See Mamdani for more information.
But surely they'll have a good candidate for next election because they learned right? Yeah no. The DNC seems focussed on ROI for their donors.
Saying that, I'd still vote for them, but this whole blame voters is BS. It won't change people's minds. Just remind them that the rank and file as well as the leadership are toxic and reinforce in those people's heads that they made the correct choice. Telling people they're wrong is the worst way to persuade people. It gets folks backs up, and they'll stubbornly argue green is orange. It's effectively campaigning for the Republicans.
Folk need to understand psychology if they want to be a political activist. Without it, the risk of self-gratification and self-validation is the only achievement.
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Non-fascist? What was their line on Palestine again? Tutting and selling more weapons?
They didn't even have policy that appealed to most. They had policy appealed to their donors and it's really naive if you cannot see that.
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The absolute state of American politics.
The kids from South Park could do a better job running the country's government.
Yes, Jill Stein has no chance with the current system, exactly my point.
But in smaller, more local races, The Green Party could gain seats all over the country. Just like the DSA does.
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The results speak for themselves.
I won't be commenting further as this is an obvious waste of time.
But in smaller, more local races
They still routinely get blown out 80/20 on a good year because they have no media presence and nobody with a chance at winning wants to run under their brand.
If you can win as a Green, you'd just run as a Democrat in the same way that Libertarians who want to win just run as Republicans.
Just like the DSA does.
The D in DSA stands for Democrats.
They're a caucus, not a party. And when they do win, they'll often struggle to keep their elected officials loyal to the platform.
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Who said it does?
I was responding to a comment that naively implied Dems policy applied to not upsetting majority of voters, like it was purely middle of the road acceptable stuff. It is not, and we shouldn't pretend it is.
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No. I don’t “must” do anything, and neither does any other voter.
You're free to live in denial about the FPtP voting system, but if enough people do that we get Trump. The statement "In a FPtP voting system you must vote strategically. You must vote against the party you like least" is a hard truth that you're not accepting. Kamala is the only candidate that could've beaten Trump. If you didn't vote for Kamala, you contributed in a small way to Trump's victory.
I hate FPtP. I want ranked choice or approval voting so people can vote their conscience. But I'm not naive. I vote in the electoral system I have, not the electoral system I want. So I will vote Dem and be proud knowing this is the best I can do as a voter.
You are the one living in a denial of the reality of voting, and your opinions about what you or I should do in regards to voting strategies are utterly irrelevant. And when you make it about my voting decisions, you've made it incredibly clear you either don't understand the point or are intentionally avoiding having to deal with the primary point.
This isn't an argument about what one voter does. This is an argument about what voters do, and that's where this shit lib self-glazing fantasy breaks down. You keep living in a fantasy were these paper strategies don't have to actually be applied in a real world. You make the claim of this "hard truth" but totally fail to address that your "hard truth" never manifests into reality. Instead of grapelling with the fact that voters don't vote strategically, and that making this utterly naive argument actually works against your cause, you just keep insisting that your fantastic, self defeating strategy is the only way things can be. And instead of dealing with the fact that I'm talking about voters, and electoralism, you try to make the argument about what I individually choose to do with a vote, which is not what this conversation is about.
This faithless approach is self evident, and you are living in denial of reality. Reality is that voters aren't interested in your interpretation of what or how they should vote. Reality is that voters can vote however they please. Reality is that the presentation of a candidate voters had no say in being someones "only option", isn't just deeply undemocratic, it functionally works against your goal (if that even is your goal, which I am barely able to offer you that charity any longer, considering how obviously this ideology of yours has led directly to the take over of fascism in the US: Fascism could not have happened here without these kinds of bad faith argument of yours).
At this point, if you are making the kinds of bad faith arguments like you are here, the kinds of arguments that directly led to Fascism, I can't consider you an ally.
If you are doing work that prevents Democrats from being responsive to voters, you are doing the work of fascists: and fundamentally, the rhetoric of strategic voting does exactly this.
Agreed, Democratic leadership’s stance on Israel was/is out of step with the majority of the base. Also, that does not make them fascist, as you implied.
I don’t know how to make this simpler. The two major parties in our country are different. Republicans are much worse than Democrats. Your life and the lives of those you care about will be worse if you vote for Republicans, third party, or don’t vote. These are indisputable facts, and it is frustrating that so many people who should understand them do not.
Going around pretending to be a therapist to add some guise of psychological authority when you're telling people they should be ashamed of themselves is disgusting and abhorrent behaviour and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself.
And if you're for real I'd like to schedule a session. Seriously.
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Basically, Russian troll farms helped her campaign and she was particularly responsible for splitting the vote of the 2016 dem primary so Bernie couldn't win.
She's also had some questionable appearances with Putin.
tbf, the Dems made sure Bernie didn't win in 2016.
although that picture, damn. not beating the allegations
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Not in enough states to win. Only to split the democratic vote in battleground states.
Given pictures of her dining with Putin, we know why.
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What accusation? I posted a picture.
Perhaps instead of labeling politically inconvenient pictures propaganda, you could try simply not defending questionable people.
Am I wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're actually left wing? Or are you yet another boring and immature cosplay communist tankie, stuck in his teenaged contrarian phase, who ultimately doesn't actually believe half of the nonsense they spout, and ends up being a useful idiot for fascist regimes because they've never heard of a false binary.
they'd still ~~find a way to fuck it up~~ intentionally find reason to not pass what the people want
Kamala is the only candidate that could've beaten Trump.
you can't prove this, and demonstrably, she did not.
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China would destroy US military in fight over Taiwan, top secret document warns
China would destroy US military in fight over Taiwan, top secret document warns
Beijing’s hypersonic missiles ‘could sink US aircraft carriers within minutes’Benedict Smith (The Telegraph)
[The US] has viewed the island as an important check on Chinese expansionism
Where were they going to expand to?
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U.S. preparing to hijack more oil tankers off Venezuela coast
The development suggests that the White House is planning a broader campaign against Venezuela’s oil exports. The U.S. seized a tanker on Wednesday that had allegedly transported oil from Venezuela to Iran.
The oil market has been focused on Ukraine peace talks and so far is not indicating a risk of a major supply disruption. U.S. crude oil was last down $1.04, 1.78%, to $57.42 a barrel. Global benchmark Brent was at $61.11, down $1.10, or 1.77%.
So serious question why couldn't they pay a Chinese vessel to come get or move their oil.
I'd bet a fat stack of cash the USA wouldn't dare touch one if it was Chinese. Or shit maybe even Trumps daddy Putin could send a Russian oil tanker to move it around. Bet they wouldn't fuck with that either.
Is it just a cost thing?
Lmao, telling me I hate Communism XD XD XD
I fucking despite despots and the capitalist system, which are both well represented by the modern russian state. You tankies have completely lost your minds if you really think modern Russia has anything to do with Communism and/or Marxism
Russia indeed does have ties to pro-Russian, anti-Banderite groups in Crimea. It's why they voted to join Russia instead of getting ethnically cleansed by Kiev. You're ignoring evidence of ethnic cleansing and believing it justified because of your racism against Russians, and are selectively plugging your ears when the Banderites commit crimes against humanity against ethnic Russians.
This is on top of your now rather boring homophobia that you can't keep yourself from.
Where have I used pejoratives against communists? Please cite me.
I'm not battling for the banderites in Kiev, I'm battling for the Ukrainian people who is currently being erased by Mr. Put-it-in and his army. Case in point you won't find any mention of the fascistic Bandera in my posts.
Also, north korea is no socialist state as it is run by what essentially is a monarchy, while china has become a capitalistic hellhole bent to the god of money as few other states are nowadays.
Finally seeing the numbers of a party grow is no indication of an improvement for russia since they cannot have free elections until put-it-in and his serfs will remain in power.
You tried tankie, better luck next time
"Tankie" is a pejorative for communist, you use it in this very comment. You're not batting for the Ukrainians kidnapped and forced into fighting for the Banderites in power, they increasingly don't support the war. You're hoping they fight to the last Ukrainian against a people you believe ethnically inferior.
The DPRK and PRC weren't brought up, but both are socialist countries where public ownership is the principle aspect of their economies and the working classes in charge of the state. You're again repeating your very traditional extreme Eurochauvanism.
The CPRF controls over 50 seats on the State Duma and is rapidly gaining in support and popularity. Regardless of your opinions on how effective they are, they are rising.
You tried fash, better luck next time.
On the contrary, "tankie" is used against anyone that supports socialism and anti-imperialism. Socialist states have always needed to defend themselves from fascists, insurrection, and imperialism.
"Tankie" was never about "using force to keep the people controlled," it originated from a split in whether to support the Red Army putting down a fascist uprising in Hungary or not. You're correct about the origin timeline, but are defending Nazis freed from prison after being jailed during World War II that went on to lynch communists and Jews, just because they were anti-communist.
"Tankie" was a pejorative for Marxists that support socialism in real life then as well as now. It originated in the Communist Party of Great Britain. The term was coined because of the British tendency towards silly-sounding insults, and because the Soviet Union sent in the Red Army to stop the western-backed fascist insurrection. This caused a split in the party (as it always does in western orgs).
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists.
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.""But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."
"Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements' ...." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
"The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary."
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about "democracy" or "freedom" is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about "freedom" and "democracy," but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Nowadays, it's used by any random anti-communist to refer to anyone that supports socialist states or doesn't buy into the imperialist narrative about global south countries. It was the ones you call "tankies" that knew the stories of WMD and Saddam's forces leaving babies outside of incubators were both bullshit to manufacture consent for war, but now that its decades later the anti-communists all suddenly have collective amnesia about their willing participation in spreading the lies of empire to murder hundreds of thousands of people.
Anti-communists, I might add, that you are the modern version of, "left" anti-communists that service empire by attacking the Empire's enemies for them while not meaningfully opposing the Empire itself. The Zizeks, the Chomskys, the Eric Blairs.
I know quite well what the pejorative you love to hurl means, and its origins. In addition to the liberal viewpoint from wikipedia, I recommend the Prolewiki article on "Tankies," as well as Nia Frome's essay "Tankies." That should give you a more well-rounded view.
Tankie - ProleWiki
Tankie is an often derogatory label used to describe Marxist-Leninists or socialists. Its definition is very loose, as it has been used as a pejorative against people...ProleWiki
Did I hurt you when I mocked your head of state by changing his name? Awwwwwwwww, I'm sowwyyyyyyyyyyy
There's nothing homophobic in turning an homophobe like put-it-in in a gay joke, on the contrary is something which would engage him very much because, as a good homophobe, he cannot bear to be seen as a possible homosexual. It would share his idea of "alpha male" XD
Russia was invading militarily Crimea well before 2014
Lol, do you mean the lease agreement in which Ukraine was getting a ton of money for the Russian naval base in Crimea? Is that your definition of "invading"?
> "I'm not racist"
> Proceeds to be racist towards Russians, Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis
The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn't guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first:
“Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political commitments seriously and do not believe any U.S. sanctions, whether imposed because of human rights or non-proliferation concerns, are inconsistent with our commitments to Belarus under the Memorandum or undermine them. Rather, sanctions are aimed at securing the human rights of Belarusians and combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and other illicit activities, not at gaining any advantage for the United States”.
This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up "its" nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union.
The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
Sorry…I know exactly what you mean, but I’m going to nitpick over the use of the term “proxy war”. It’s not a proxy war, first because Russia is directly involved and second because the USA isn’t the only proxy. Good examples of Proxy Wars are The Spanish and Syrian Civil Wars…as well as many minor conflicts during The Cold War that were revealed to be indirectly USSR v USA
I don’t know how you feel about the war at large…but calling it a proxy war could be considered a Russia friendly narrative because it removes Ukraines agency and purpose.
In a proxy war the support is generally obfuscated, and the conflict is usually internal. In Ukraine the support is open and the conflict is an invasion.
There’s a lot of problems with your reply.
You can’t say Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine and reconcile that with the fact that Russia previously had puppets controlling Ukraine.
You can’t seriously believe that Russia holds fair elections.
ETA: if the conflict was just about protecting supposedly majority Russian areas on the Russian border, I would expect Russia to have intervened directly in those areas to “liberate” them, like we saw in Crimea (which is also dubiously majority Russian). But what we’re actually seeing is an imperialist cassis belli that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.
Not a puppet? Spare me. Where is he right now? What a coincidence!
Did you intentionally misunderstand what I said? They could have just taken the territories they wanted that were supposedly majority Russian and left it at that…the west wouldn't have done shit about it. But they didn’t, did they?
Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state.
You’re too smart to make the argument that Russia’s actions are restricted to the areas they allege are majority Russian.
Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state.
This is just Russian propaganda.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.
No, it's reality that you're denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as "Russian propaganda." From @davel@lemmy.ml
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
Russia isn't ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.
History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
Hugo Turner Dedicated to the memory of Luciana Bohne. With special thanks to T.P. Wilkinson. The “Heroes” monument in Ellenville incorporates busts of Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bander…INTERNATIONALIST 360°
You don’t need to flood the zone…everybody is aware there’s Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like there’s Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
It’s absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Don’t know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraine’s problems and ignore Russia’s:
sova-center.ru/en/xenophobia/r… Independent Russian monitoring group SOVA documents trends in ideologically motivated violence, victim counts, and state responses, highlighting a resurgence of street attacks and online glorification of violence.
jacobin.com/2024/12/neo-nazis-… Long-form analysis linking wartime propaganda and online clout culture to renewed visibility of violent neo‑Nazi groups and their recruitment tactics.
russianlife.com/the-russia-fil…/ Magazine piece synthesizing reporting on street violence, Telegram channels, and SOVA statistics showing rising incidents in 2024.
rand.org/pubs/research_reports… Policy research on how Kremlin narratives about “denazification” are used strategically; useful for understanding state propaganda and external messaging.
osce.org/files/f/documents/2/4… Official OSCE materials and delegations’ statements addressing neo‑Nazi glorification and related regional concerns.
carnegie-mec.org/russia-eurasi… Scholarly analyses on Russian nationalism, state‑far‑right interactions, and implications.
carnegieendowment.org/research… Contextual piece linking historical trauma narratives to contemporary securitized rhetoric that can empower extremist frames.
brookings.edu/regions/europe-e… Policy briefs and expert commentary on Russian domestic politics, including far‑right trends and security implications.
meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/0… Investigative reporting on viral attack videos, Telegram ecosystems, and cultural drivers behind renewed violence.
isdglobal.org/isd-in-the-news/… Expert commentary on transnational neo‑Nazi networks, recruitment, and links to conflict zones.
dagens.com/war/neo-nazi-terror… News coverage of recruitment and alleged operational ties between extremist cells and Russian interests.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jarees2001/2002/31/2002_31_57/\_article Academic study tracing ideological roots, party actors, and social drivers of neo‑Nazi movements in Russia.
academic.oup.com/book/45836/ch… Scholarly chapter on neo‑Nazi networks in Russian prisons and their social dynamics.
academia.edu/41133663/From_Red… Historical overview useful for tracing evolution from 1990s skinhead subculture to modern groups.
aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/30/p… Reporting on official rhetoric that invokes “neo‑Nazi” narratives as justification for policy and war.
No idea what radicalized you…for some people it’s because they’re tankies…for others it’s because they’re insane anti Americans. At the end of the day you’ve got tunnel vision and blinders.
Putin says Ukraine goals will be ‘achieved’ as he repeats ‘neo-Nazi’ claims
President repeats justification for sending forces into Ukraine as Moscow launches swarms of drones against Kyiv.Al Jazeera
You heard it here…dictator Putin: better than “Kiev”.
It’s completely insane be to be so communist that you stampede past the fact that Russia was corrupted by capitalist oligarchs…and end up in favour an imperialist dictator. What a trip.
I don't miss that Russia is ruled by nationalists, I quite openly said that they are. Kiev is run by neo-Nazis and is a puppet of western imperialists. Russia isn't imperialist, it lacks the finance capital necessary to be so, it's western countries that are imperialist and using Ukraine like they do Israel, to secure their interests in the region. It isn't at all "insane" to have a grounded and consistent understanding.
You have this incredibly simplistic "good vs evil" thing going on here, and it's clouding your judgement entirely.
F“Russia sucks at being imperialist” isn’t a great defence. They already took back half the eastern block, sometimes by proxy.
They would have grabbed Ukraine and the Baltics, at least…and maybe Poland (also totally full of Nazis) if the west didn’t “step in”. It is what it is. Just because they’re shit at war doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do it in a vacuum.
Listen…all I’m saying is that there no through lines to good and evil, here. It’s war…it’s a bunch of fascist imperialists fighting other fascist imperialists. At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance. It’s like…I’m not choosing…I’m just talking about it.
My ex girlfriend is the other extreme from you: she’s one of the liberal weirdos who emigrated to Ukraine because she needed a cause, I guess (she has no ties to Ukraine). Yes…she’s ended up at rallies that were Nazi rallies even though she thought they were pro Ukraine rallies…but the country isn’t some monolith of Nazism like you’re saying it it. The Nazis are a powerful minority. Nazis love war…on both sides of the border they’re laughing.
Taking land isn't necessarily imperialism. Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk all voted to join the Russian Federation, and Russia is annexing them not for resource extraction but to resolve the ethnic cleansing Kiev has levied against the Donbass region, and to create a buffer zone against NATO encirclement. Imperialism is a form of international extraction that functions by maintaining financial domination and monopoly, and using that to super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Russia is trying to "grab Poland, the Baltics, and the rest of Ukraine." This is entirely fabricated on your end, Russia has no reason to do so nor is there any information on that.
I'm not saying Ukraine is majority Nazi. I said the leadership is full of Nazis, because the Nazis took power during the Euromaidan coup. The people aren't all Nazis, just like Statesians aren't all MAGA, but just like pro-America rallies are almost all MAGA, nationalist rallies in Ukraine draw out the neo-Nazis. The difference between Nazis in Russia and Ukraine is that in Ukraine they actually control the government, in Russia there are just small pockets.
Sometimes you seem like a reasonable person…but it all goes out the window when you present open Russian deception like calling those propaganda tools “elections”. Those referendums were clearly staged by the military…the Crimean one laughably so, with 97% support. You’re also telling on yourself when you use odd language like the annexations weren’t for resource extraction. Who said they were? Crimea is a port and the others are (were) industrial hubs and a land border to the former.
No evidence? See…comments like that don’t make we want to continue with you…and it’s an insult that you expect me not to believe my lying ears. You know very well Putin, Medvedev and many others have repeatedly referred to Poland and the Baltics as occupied & openly bloviated about annexing them. They’ve literally massed forces on the border with them, and every other piece of “evidence” one could possible need…overt or implied. Trying to deny Russkiy Mir is just weird. I didn’t even bring up Finland and all the other regions Russian officials have commented on.
I’m going to take a break from you. Pretty unreasonable stuff, here.
Believe it or not, Crimeans supported being in the Russian Federation and not in a government run by Nazis post-coup. You yourself said Russia was being imperialist, annexation isn't imperialism, imperialism is a specific form of international extractionism. Annexing territory can happen for a variety of reasons, only some of which is indicative of imperialism.
There is no evidence of Russia continuing beyond the 4 oblasts in Ukraine that isn't NATO manufacturing consent for protracted war with Russia. Russia has no reason to continue beyond, but NATO has very good reason to want people to think they will.
Deny reality all you like.
At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance.
How exactly is that better?
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
Wow, I wonder why there aren’t any Western corporate media sources with a Media Bias/Fact Check seal of approval…The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
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- Propaganda model
- Edward Bernays
- Walter Lippmann
- Council on Foreign Relations
- Powell Memorandum
- The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy* I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:
- lemmy.ml/post/12705767/8913172
- lemmy.ml/post/13566156/9605612
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react to…you’d not mice I’m not pro Ukraine…I’m just aware that Russia is a dictatorship that’s also full of Nazis.
Russia is no more a dictatorship than the US or Ukraine are. They’re all oligarchies, run by the consent of the bourgeoisie. [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Putin actually is popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Russia isn’t “full” of Nazis, though it certainly does have some fascists. I don’t know where you get that from. It’s not like you provide any evidence for your assertions.
Russia is an actual dictatorship…of one person. As terrible as the USA is…they at least switch between a terrible leader and a fascist one every 4-8 years, or so. I think you confusing “literally” a dictatorship with “figuratively” a dictatorship. They’re not the same. The USA has terribly gerrymandered elections is a broken system that favours small states…so it takes a lot more to overcome the fascists…but at least it possible. Meanwhile, Russia has entirely fake elections. The USA isn’t there…yet. Getting close.
You guys are far-out. It’s like…what…anti-American horseshoe theory? You’re so anti-American..you come out the other end supporting evil dictators?
If you want to shit on The States in isolation…I’ll do it all day long…I’m a Canadian socialist….but I haven’t lost my objectivity just because I hate Americans so much.
Ukraine isn’t any more full of Nazis than Russia is…all those Slavish places are lousy with them. Ukraine is just like any other Eastern European place…or any place in the world, really: the people in the cities are generally nornie’ish and westerners can relate to them…and people outside of cities can be crazy fundamentalist ma in one way or another. Canada is also full of Nazis, BTW…my hometown is having giant open rallies. Where I used to live out west where it’s supposed to be full of hippies just had one. You find Nazis anywhere you find poor white people.
that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.
Which Ukrainians?
- The oligarchs running the state?
- The Banderite fascists?
- The eastern & southern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from an unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites for nearly a decade, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
- The western Ukrainians who want the war to end?
- The men being kidnapped off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?
Previously: If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
those of us who support Ukraine would still like America to have a military
If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine.
NATO in general:
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023:
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It.
The US-backed Maidan coup and fascist paramilitary attacks on separatist eastern & southern Ukraine:
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup - CounterPunch.org
The EU-IMF Economic Agenda for UkraineJeff Mackler (CounterPunch.org)
Can’t tell if you’re talking about the Russians or the Ukrainians.
My argument isn’t so much that Ukraine is good…it’s that Russia is worse.
For the world.
If by the world you mean the imperial core, then yes.
Giant repressive capitalist dictatorship
You mean the United States?
full of fascists
I don’t think you understand fascism. Previously:
The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discreetly Internationalized It - CounterPunch.org
When the United States entered WWII, the future head of the CIA, Allen Dulles, bemoaned that his country was fighting the wrong enemy.Gabriel Rockhill (CounterPunch.org)
Your position is Russian isn’t imperial or fascist?
…or is it that because the USA or your so-called “imperial core” is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?
Your position is Russian isn’t imperial or fascist?
Yes. Previously:
Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.
It’s not like there are no fascists in Russia. There’s Aleksandr Dugin (who people keep absurdly claiming is Putin’s right-hand man), and there was Western liberal darling Alexei Navalny.your so-called “imperial core”
The term is hardly mine and hardly new. en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t…
is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?
It is, though that doesn’t mean we should altogether ignore Russia’s faults; it too is a capitalist state, a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Russia isn’t anti-imperialist by ideology but by circumstance.
So what you’re saying is is that Russia has no agency
I didn’t say that Russia has no agency.their invasion of Ukraine is NOT it imperial nature.
Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.In fact, they’re only seizing Ukrainian territory to add to their own, because of the United States. And that somehow negates any aspect of Russian imperialism.
If history started in February of 2022, you might think that.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV.
Well that makes sense, because I know one thing about Russia, and that it’s definitely not a stitched together country of conquered and subjugated people’s.
If you want to dig up ancient history like this, then that describes just about every European country, so I’m not sure what your point is.Edit to add: inb4 NATO is a defensive alliance.
- Counterpunch, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023:
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of UkraineNATO in general:
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023:
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discreetly Internationalized It - CounterPunch.org
When the United States entered WWII, the future head of the CIA, Allen Dulles, bemoaned that his country was fighting the wrong enemy.Gabriel Rockhill (CounterPunch.org)
Neither the US, Ukraine, nor Russia is even approaching socialism, so I don’t see how campism is relevant. What is relevant is imperialism vs. anti-imperialism.Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
- Robert Parry, 2015: The Mess that Nuland Made
- Jeffery Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve PeaceThe War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
By recognizing that the question of NATO enlargement is at the center of this war, we understand why U.S. weaponry will not end this war. Only diplomatic efforts can do that.jeffrey-d-sachs (Common Dreams)
This “meme” pretends to be nuanced…but it’s simple: it attempts to boil the crisis down to “America bad”.
Russia has agency. If you’re a leftist who supports Russia…and I know it’s common…you’ve completely lost the plot. You’re basically so anti American that you’ve overshot the mark and are supporting other fascists.
At risk of also oversimplifying things: Russia/Ukraine isn’t good v bad…it’s fascist capitalist v “liberal” capitalist.
it’s fascist capitalist v “liberal” capitalist
This is correct but probably opposite of how you think it is.
Oh?
I’m anti America and anti Russia. I’m not pretending I’m some expert on geopolitics…but I do know that Russia is a fascist capitalist state and they’re not the good guys, even if many of the Ukrainians and their supporters are bad.
discuss.tchncs.de/modlog?page=… for those curious.
Rule 1 is "be civil and and nice". boggles
It is an instance and community's right to censor and ban as they wish, but rule 1 should perhaps be changed to "I don't like the cut of your jib" 🙈
While I was trying to make a particular point in the original response, I should have still rebuffed the core lie in it (the suggestion that russia is a victim): Russia attacked first, and it has escalated first, and it can stop the war at any time. All responses to russia's aggression are expected and justified.
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime.
Moreover, it was the USA who "broke the treaty" (I'd love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn't Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?
Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it's astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it's hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don't make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.
If it's not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (◠‿◕)
The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (≧▽≦) (≧▽≦)
And you still haven't provided neutral evidences of what you call "ethnic cleansing" while I've provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited.
Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn't they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their "tyrannical" government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country
I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There's a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That's also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal.
You've got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.
Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.
The war is so unpopular that russian hasn't been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!
Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through
Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are "paid by the Kremlin?" I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there's a limit to denying reality.
From davel's compilation:
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.
History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
Hugo Turner Dedicated to the memory of Luciana Bohne. With special thanks to T.P. Wilkinson. The “Heroes” monument in Ellenville incorporates busts of Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bander…INTERNATIONALIST 360°
Lmao, you are supporting the same side of people like Candace Owens, Benny Johnson and Tim Pool and you're calling me a fascist? Dude, there haven't been free elections in Russia for the last 30 years, how long will it take you to understand that the time of the proletariat are over and that Putin, Xi and Kim are three of the last fascistic tyrant left in the modern world? Do you think people from Belarus are free to express what they think about Lukashenko? What will you get if you organise a pro-lgbt rally in Moscow? How would you like trying opening an indipendent new site in China?
Get down your cloud man, you're not fighting for everyday people, you're fighting for dictators and tyrants but you're too stubborn to even think about it
I see a lot of articles about fascism in Ukraine but very few sources about an "ethnic cleansing" while, on thr other hand, the numbers provided with a in report show that the killing was almost halted before 2022, when Russia attacked and the deaths skyrocketed.
I'm an Italian, I live in Italy and I can tell you most of the fascists around here either strive to serve in the military or in the police force. Yet I'd hardly define Italy a fascist state, even if we're currently ran by a fascist-adjecent government. Still our judiciary, legal and police powers remain completely unrelated and indipendent and we citizens can vote out our government every 5 years (if it lasts that long, of course).
On the other hand, can you say the same for Russia and Belarus?
Oh, how I love being told I am irrational from you, you should have worked in a cinema since you're so good at projecting
No, you're ridiculous. Putin is a nationalist, sure, but Russia isn't imperialist like the US and western Europe. Kim Jong-Un and Xi Jinping are socialists, not fascists like Macron, Trump, Starmer, Merz, etc. Lukashenko is popular in Belarus, and independent sites exist in China all the time.
You're an admitted Euronationalist, a supporter of imperialism and a demonizer of socialism and socialists, a racist, a homophobe, all around far-right. I'm a communist, and support socialist countries and oppose imperialism. The government in China in particular is extremely popular, with over 90% approval rates even when taken by western orgs, and a more genuinely democratic government than any western country:
I'm indeed "stubborn" in that I'm consistent in supporting the working classes and opposing imperialism.
Support for government in China: is the data accurate?
Some have questioned the survey results. Are the skeptics right?Jason Hickel
Yeah sure, go aay that Russia is not imperialist to a Georgian or to an Abkhazian. You could also try with anyone from the Baltic region or from Afghanistan, if you prefer.
May I remind you that even Nazis had the word "socialist" in their party name and that taking votes without assurance of anonymity is not a good way to test what people really feel about their government? Is there any other party outside the Chinese populist party who can use the same mainstream media reserved to the party? Does china allow third indipendent nations to scrutinize their election process? Do you understand that prominent right wing figures in America (mostly fascists) are currently hoping that Russia will win against Ukraine? How can you square allm this up and still believe what you believe? You might be really high on your clouds of lies, look out because the higher you are, the hardest the fall
Ok dude, I hope you'll be happy once we will all be oppressed under your own kind of regime where disse terms are sent to gulags and there can be no other idea outside that imposed by the party.
Now go support Russia with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon and their ilk, I heard they are having troubles finding good tools like you lately
Russia isn't imperialist, it doesn't have a stake in the global financial monopoly that it uses to plunder the world. The west does though, Italy included.
China isn't socialist because their party is called the Communist Party of China, but because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes are in control of the state. They do let people report on their systems, what they don't do is allow imperialist countries like the US and European countries to interfere or attempt regime change.
The far-right generally doesn't care about Ukraine or Russia, what they want is for imperialist countries to stop giving aid to Ukraine. The far-right also has anti-semites that oppose Israel not because Israel is fascist and committing genocide, but because it's Jewish. You do realize that your far-right views are aligned on your view of socialist countries and support for western imperialism?
I think it's a good thing when the working class is in charge and capitalism, fascism, slavery, and monarchy is eradicated and those who would uphold them are frustrated by force.
Keep supporting western imperialism, homophobia, racism, Euronationalism, and anti-communism with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Adolf Hitler, Pinochet, Milei, Trump, Kier Starmer, Merz, Macron, Netanyahu, Zelensky, and all your far-right buddies.
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They're trying to starve us off and tell us we just ate.
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Fucking has lost his mind. All the above real shit he has said.
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