The Incredibles (2004)
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How did the Ventoy blobs issue end?
I remember a story where people asked about blobs included in Ventoy and there were no comments from the devs, leading to suspicion.
At the time it wasn't clear to me if there was any substance to the story or if it was the usual Internet exaggeration, so I resolved to ignore it for the time being and saved a reminder to look into it after a while.
Now my reminder fired off and I looked around, but couldn't find how the story ended... do you know?
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That screenshot is from another site. An account named longpanda has also appeared on lemmy and had their post/replies removed because of impersonation suspicions.
I think it is wise to take extra care on this issue on what you read and trust.
Afaik that particular post is on the official Ventoy forum. Probably legit
The Lemmy one was fake
I'm in a similar boat to you; whether the blobs constitute a security threat seems to still be up in the air. I read through the issue thread on github a few months back and it seemed the vast majority of the blobs were built by scripts contained in the repository, but some weren't documented well, leading to uncertainty.
The comment by Long0x0 on Aug 05 lists a lot of the blob files.
GLIM is an option that is a little harder to use but has the ability to load up multiple ISO's, and it is fully open source.
I also check the open issues when I judge a repo, and there's only 22, with nearly all of them being feature requests and not bug reports. Also, the majority were opened by the repo owner, and they're checklist items for future functionality (like making less common ISO's work).
It could be that it's abandoned, or it could be that the maintainer just doesn't have the time or drive to include edge cases like "NixOS" and "Fedora 37 clones" right now.
Looks like contributor is busy with work. Always the risk with open source. If things aren't raised in a reasonable manner, I can imagine the temptation is to follow it up with a middle finger.
Many seemed to care about it enough to bash it, but not enough to create and maintain a fork. They just want to boss it over the maintainer.
Linux for my grandparents
Around a year ago my grandparents asked me to update their computers to Windows 10. One from 7 and one from 8.1. I couldn't update from 7 to 10 so I just reinstalled directly to 10. The license was lost but grandfather didn't mind that "activate windows". And for office I installed libreoffice (or onlyoffice, I dont remember). On 7 he was using Chrome so I installed him Brave, which is similar enough and has an adblocker. He never complained about anything... until now.
Both grantfather and grandmother on the same day they got some notification (probably fullscreen, otherwise they wouldn't even told me) about end of 10 and that they should upgrade. So I told them Windows 10 support is ending in about a year. I gave them 3 options:
1. Buy a new computer for windows 11
2. Use windows 10 without updates - more likely to be hacked.
3. Try linux.
As soon as I said "Linux" my grandfatger said: "Linux, thats something... lightweight... right?". I'm a gentoo user and I forced my brother and sister to install linux but I never mentiond a word to my grandparents. I have no idea where he heard that. But I'm happy he did!
So the main question: What distro? I'm thinking of Fedora with Gnome. Something stable, modern, secure, and simple. Gnome is different, I know, but I also think Gnome is the simplest. Should I go with Silverblue or normal version? I will also definitely install rustdesk and make backups of windows. And I will first try liveusb so they can decide if they like gnome.
Edit: I'm currently trying to liveboot linux. I rebooted the computer and windows started updating...
Edit: I livebooted Fedora and Mint DE, they said they like Mint more so I installed Mint. Grandfather's scanner and printer were detected out of the box with preinstalled apps, ptinter sadlly doesn't work but that was also with windows - probably hardware failed. Now I'm Installing Brave for grandfather and uBlock Origin for firefox for grandmother. Everything good so far!
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This might be a good opportunity to try one of universal blue's distros
They are kinda "just set and forget" atomic distros, improving on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite with usability improvements
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This was going to be my suggestion. Use Bluefin (not the "dx" developer flavor) gts stream.
It updates automatically in the background. All you have to do is restart it for updates to become active. So as long as it's restarted once a month or so, you're golden.
Yeah. I think you can't go wrong with either Debian or Fedora with Gnome. I would pick whichever I'm most comfortable with. The grandparents will probably never notice.
I love to give Gnome crap for being a large install, but I've lost count of the number of machines that I've put Gnome on and had it just work. And I've lost count of the number of times that I've searched for a fancy command line way to fix an annoyance in Gnome, and discovered there's just a simple toggle in settings for what I want.
I am a Fedora fan, but I do think that they may have issues with needing to upgrade every year. I am currently holding off on a Fedora 40-41 upgrade on my school laptop until finals are done, just in case something breaks.
I've been on Fedora since about 32ish? And I've had a couple of times where the upgrade didn't go smooth.
For grandparents, I'd probably lean towards Debian with Gnome.
I'm getting full screen "You need to upgrade" notifications on a few 21h02 machines now, yet Windows update says it's up to date.
You're good until 23H02 goes out of support, then you'll have to reinstall 11. At least, that's what I understand. My 21H02 machines just never get the push for 22,23,24 etc major build updates.
In practice this means that the Firefox it comes with doesn't have the necessary codecs to stream ~~porn~~ video on all streaming sites smoothly.
When you add the flathub repo, you now have a selector for all packages available in both where you have to choose if you want the Fedora or the Flathub version. This would be confusing for your grandparents. Also, when I tried it, it was buggier than I'm used to. Sometimes the software center locked up, or failed to install things on the first try, or update.
Even the entire system locked up sometimes, which really shouldn't happen on an atomic distro at all.
As a 50-something non-geek that searched for a zero issue distro himself, I can tell you I settled on... Debian (and I love it!) on my desktop and, on my laptop, it's Mint (which I like a lot too).
I tried and kept Mint because, unlike Debian and a few other Distros I tested, Mint was able to connect to my Airpods out of the box. Like I told you, I'm not really the most extreme geek ;)
The funny thing is that, as much as I was happy with Debian/Xfce, I also quickly learned to appreciate almost everything else with Mint/cinnamon and how it... just works (coming from a 35+ years Mac user). It's like they made it for 'mere' users like me.
Debian and Mint share many things, but the two I appreciate the most on a day to day base (beside the utmost stability and snappiness, even more obvious on Debian as far as I'm concerned) is
- the lack of too frequent updates. There a bit more on Mint, but even there, it's not a bother.
- The easiness to make everything larger, texts, menus, and cursor. I'm getting old and I don't have a good eyesight like I had in my 20s ;)
Hope this can help.
I have a debian 12 with Unattended Upgrades as a work machine, and it works surprisingly well (I use Arch BTW) - it is probably the simplest way for you to be sure their browser stays up-to-date & keep them safe on this side
Issue with these updates is they happen "behind" and may need a reboot ; this is the only moment I found Debian to misbehave, decide to reboot & I get it when I see the machine updating some component before rebooting again
So this is the full extend of the training to give: in case of doubt, reboot.
I think gnome is perfect in that context also, the lack of Menu is just one hit on the Meta key away, which, if you trim down the install to their exact need will be accessible, confortable.
Issue with these updates is they happen “behind” and may need a reboot ; this is the only moment I found Debian to misbehave, decide to reboot & I get it when I see the machine updating some component before rebooting again
I don't think I have that many reboots but I should also say that I will turn off my computer every time I'm not in front of it, which happens multiple times a day. You know, save power and stuff like that. It just boot so quickly it's not an issue.
I think gnome is perfect in that context also, the lack of Menu is just one hit on the Meta key away, which, if you trim down the install to their exact need will be accessible, confortable.
For me, with Cinnamon and with Xfce, the only real issue was that I had to spend some time tweaking (and searching online) how to make the desktop behave exactly like I wanted it to. But since the OP will be installing it for them, they won't even have to bother. Which is great.
If I was to suggest anything to the OP, which seems to know much more than I ever will about Linux, it would be to set up an automated backup of their home folder on an external drive (I would go SSD, because I would not fear bumping it or even dropping it), so they will not lose anything even if some serious shit was to ever happen (this is not at all based on my own personal experience as a beginner that may have done some stupid mistakes. No, not I ;)
If you haven't already, you can turn on automatic uodates in Mint.
Next time the update icon shows up, go to preferences from the menu and you can allow it to automatically update. You'll still occasionally see the update icon but it usually self updates daily.
You can set flatpak, normal updates and spices (cinnamon applets) independently.
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Mint, it just works.
You can set up automatic updates too, so they won't end up with out of date software and possible security holes. The only downside is Firefox. If an update runs while your grandparents are using Firefox, it will stop working and show them a page that says it needs to be restarted.
It's not a major issue in itself, but if you have any sort of memory issues, like I do and lots of older people do, it can derail your train of thought and cause you problems.
My grandparents (now 90+) didn't care much when I would change their distro, they are currently on Tumbleweed (just bcs thats what I decided to run on everyones computer I'm asked to maintain).
I would keep their general experience about the same for their use case (same desktop/desktop dock shortcuts, same browser ofc).
But yeah, Fedora (def Silverblue) or wherever you are familiar with.
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(Lol, I never actually tried Mint myself, but that too - like a modern Ubuntu alternative)
If you think your grandparents would prefer the Windows 8 or macOS type UI, then GNOME is the way.
I think Xfce or MATE is vastly better tho.
I use Fedora with GNOME for my parents and other family members. Some have used Windows prior, some have not used computers at all really, only iPads. They all get along very well on GNOME!
I have started using Silverblue the last year, which simplify things even further. Combined with the excellent remote controll functionality, it has been a really pleasant experience both for me and them.
- too many options for them
- too many options for me (the support guy)
Had basically the same exact scenario with my parents earlier this year.
Installed Linux Mint with the default Cinnamon desktop, installed a "Windows" theme. Put icons on the desktop exactly where there old ones were, and never looked back.
It's been great for them, does everything they need and took minimal effort from me to set up.
Does dnf/rpm-ostree update firmware drivers
And your distro may or may not configure it any particular way. OP would need to specify.
fwupd. Not sure if those wrapper included that.
rpm-ostree is not really a dnf wrapper. It's more of a wrapper for ostree with some additional dnf functionality.
Iirc, Bazzite (for example) uses fwupd during their update process after rpm-ostree finishes.
firmware drivers
This sounds like you're talking about firmware blobs that the kernel drivers load, which are usually in a package called linux-firmware. It should be updated automatically, but I'll check in the morning with Fedora Silverblue.
Otherwise if you're talking about device firmware, than that's all fwupd, rpm-ostree has nothing to do with that.
Average atmospheric CO2 concentration breaches 420 PPM for the first time in recorded history
South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol survives impeachment vote
South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol survives impeachment vote
Lawmakers narrowly failed to pass a bill to censure Yoon Suk Yeol after he declared martial law on Tuesday.Aleks Phillips (BBC News)
National Assembly says "We oppose trying to turn the country into an outright dictatorship, that was bad... but we're not going to punish you for it."
He'll do it again when he's more prepared. Trump team is taking notes too.
Civ doesn't compare at all, it is nothing. Completing the main scenario (building a silo and launching a rocket) can take days to weeks if you jump in with zero knowledge.
Factorio is the definition of a dopamine drip. You start with a pickaxe and work your way up through the technology tree. Coal, coal-burning mining rigs, smelting furnaces, conveyor belts, coal-burning inserters, steam generators, electricity, assemblers, vehicles, oil processing, chemical processing, better generators, better automation, more complex materials... and that's just the individual items. You'll have to build assembly lines for increasingly complex items, transport networks with conveyor belts, pipes, or trains, find raw material quarries and wells because everything is finite, then either manage air pollution or expect to be overrun by alien bugs. Small individual steps, but they add up very quickly and there's always something to do.
I'm forcing myself not to buy the recently released expansion because I know I'll lose days to it. If you have ADHD or a thing for automation, it is stupidly addictive. The factory must grow.
If you have ADHD or a thing for automation, it is stupidly addictive.
i have both of those things. i’m a bit scared of what will happen if i buy this game. i still want to play it someday when i have a bit more free time, but it sounds like it’s probably best to wait a bit. its already hard enough to resist the urge to start new civ6 games. thank you for the comparison, it was very helpful.
there's a whole sub-community around building physics exploit driven crafts:
look up "kraken drives" ;)
Is there a way to remove built in Samsung software??
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If you want to gradually move away from closed and/or paid software, afaik, the only way is through unlocking the bootloader and uninstalling programs through there.
Alternatively, there is the nuclear option, to replace the whole system, and start from zero with a distro as close as possible from AOSP. Worth noting it also requires unlocking the bootloader.
This is what I would recommend. LineageOS is great.
But if you're aiming for 100% open source, you should account for stuff like radio firmware. You'll have to look at Pinephone or Fairphone. Android contains a lot of binary blobs.
You can disable the built-in apps.
They can't be removed as pre-installed apps are part of the OS image. It's a bit like the immutable distros now popular in Linux. Any update to the OS would just re-add them anyway.
These apps aren't exactly huge in disk size so disabling them is safe and effective. It will reduce battery and memory usage if you would ordinarily have them running in the background for some reason.
Yeah... I can't blame them, the apathy is real on this one, lots of people get murdered everyday, they don't get this coverage, I don't care more because this guy was a rich CEO, feels like the media is overhyping it because the rich are scared that some folks are deciding they need to water the tree of liberty. Pretty sure this is only going to get worse as people get squeezed more and more.
I'm not blanket saying assassination is ok, but I'm also not saying I couldn't consider voting to acquit this guy for jury nullification purposes if I were on the jury.
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I can't help but feel like these influencers typically fill a role that isn't getting fulfilled, like investigating mysteries or things that fall off the police radar or weren't getting any attention. I very much doubt that a wealthy white man would be a typical subject in the first place.
Though, I'm not really familiar with this genre of the Internet.
things that fall off the police radar or weren’t getting any attention
Think of all the murders that happen in large American cities that don't get anywhere near the police attention as this one.
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to @reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml
Won't somebody think of the poor CEO's?!
you probably meant "CEOs" as in referring to the plural of "CEO". when you use "CEO's", you are using a possessive form to refer to a CEO as in "CEO's lack of dignity" or "a CEO's rolling head"
This quote from his wife is so selfawarewolf:
“Brian was an incredibly loving, generous, talented man who truly lived life to the fullest and touched so many lives.”
Yeah, that's kinda the problem lol
Is there a way to add a custom screen resolution of 1440x960 to Linux Mint/Ubuntu
So this week I got myself a Framework 13. I am so far liking it, especially with Linux Mint. But I feel the push for high resolutions is pushing the poor iGPU a bit too hard in games.
But since I got the 2880x1920 display, it can be downscaled to 1440x960 without too much loss of quality. However the closest resolution I can find to it is 1440x900, which breaks my desktop icons, and other applications which wants to use the full screen.
I've tried xrandr and cvt as described in this ask ubuntu post but all I got out of it was a black screen.
Am I just stuck with the default or am I just missing something?
Here's Some Rare KDE Apps You Might Not Have Heard About
- Kirogi: A ground control software. It only supports a few drones right now, but should get MAVLink support in the future.
- KStars: An astronomy software that lets you view the positions of planets and stars, as well as a whole lot of other features related to astronomy.
- Licentia: A license comparison app. It lets you view and compare free software licenses. It has the full license text as well as a simplified list of features of it.
- KDE Itinerary: An app for travel planning. Well designed, with detailed station views courtesy of Openstreetmap.
- KTrip: Similar to Itinerary, a public transport navigation app
- Alpaka: An Ollama client for running LLMs
KStars
I'll add that KStars has a really powerful astrophotography suite called Ekos. It has lots of helpful automation features to make imaging relatively simple to setup.
Snart har vi bara en mediekoncern. Bonniers är Sveriges största mediekoncern. De är dessutom delägare i Gota Media och har precis blivit delägare i NWT Media. NWT Media är Sveriges tredje största mediekoncern genom att de också är huvudägare tillsammans med Schibsted AS i Polaris Media ASA som i sin tur är kontrollerande ägare i Stampen Media AB som bland annat ger ut GP.
What are the problems with Ubuntu?
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I use it, and I like it. As a casual computer user, it suits every need.
It also feels a lot more stable thanks to being maintained by a professional corporation, rather than some neckbeard in a basement.
Those "neckbeards in the basement" created the very thing Canonical is trying to make its own. It's just another corporation trying to profit off the back of FOSS developer labor.
Maybe have a bit more respect for hardworking programmers that are keeping the world spinning, with many doing it for no compensation.
Canonical's initial hiring strategy was "hey, you maintain Debian packages. Wanna get paid for that?"
They still employ quite a few Debian maintainers, and I don't think it's at all a stretch to say that Debian wouldn't be as good as it is today if Canonical weren't paying a bunch of people in part to do Debian develops. Their employee roll includes one of the developers of apt, amongst other people.
That's kind of a non sequitur. Canonical hires a lot of community members to maintain stuff for the community. They also have roughly 1000 employees according to Wikipedia. SUSE also depends on things like xz and has twice as many employees. Red Hat has 19,000 employees. Google depends on xz and has over 180,000 employees.
So if you're blaming Canonical for not hiring the maintainers of under recognised community projects that don't have corporate backing, then surely SUSE gets twice the blame, Red Hat gets 19 times the blame and Google gets 180 times the blame? (Not to mention Amazon, Meta, NVIDIA, etc.)
surely SUSE gets twice the blame, Red Hat gets 19 times the blame and Google gets 180 times the blame? (Not to mention Amazon, Meta, NVIDIA, etc.
Well...yeah?
In my personal opinion:
1- Snap packages. Dont like them for their closed source backend, dont lime them for how canonical has been sneaking then into the system of users who have been originally trying to install a deb.
2- Modern Ubuntu simply has no real benefit compared to other Distros. Nowadays it's just another Gnome and Debian-based distro, I see no reason to use it over Debian itself, or Fedora, Solus, or any other Ubuntu derivative that simply does better than "vanilla" Ubuntu, such as Pop!_OS or Linux Mint.
I don't hate Ubuntu, and I recognize it's importance for Linux as a desktop in it's early days, but Canonical really lost track of themselves.
The well-supported thing is in great part only thanks to Debian.
And about the desktop, cmon, it's just Gnome with built in extensions. No issue with that and totally valid to enjoy it, but it's certainly not "lightyears" ahead of anything.
But if your experience with Ubuntu is good, then great, I'm happy that you enjoy the Linux ecosystem, and I truly believe the best distro is the one that fits best for your personal needs, and if Ubuntu does that, then it's great 😁
It definitely has its roots in Debian, but when you need to use that weird closed source application for work, if it has a "supported" (for a given value of support) Linux distro it'll be Ubuntu.
I personally prefer straight Debian myself, or something entirely different but when asked for a recommendation by friends it's Ubuntu.
But it just happens that Ubuntu forks also tend to take that benefit too (like Mint, Zorin or Pop) while also giving to the newer users what is, to me, a more standard Linux experience that follows current trends, like the adoption of Flatpaks over the weird push for Snaps on desktop that Ubuntu has, or actual functioning app stores instead of the rather polemical App Center that almost released without a .deb support recently. That's why I tend to recommend friends to use Mint or Fedora
Ubuntu's font rendering used to be better than every other distro, because they incorporated patches on freetype that were legally 'iffy' as to whether they infringed on microsoft's patents; later whatever exclusivity requirement that there was with those patents expired, and the patches got upstreamed in freetype itself.
So now all Linux desktops are capable of subpixel font rendering, hinting, whatever. But before that, font rendering really was hideous on other distros.
1) Pretty sure it's not closed source? theregister.com/2023/11/10/sna…
2) Isn't that the purpose though of Ubuntu though? They made it easy, everything is open source, and then people/companies/orgs that want to do things different can just fork it and do their own thing. If they make a better product according to even 1 person, great. Job done. Plenty of people are happy with vanilla Ubuntu.
I don't even use Ubuntu but I sure appreciate the amount of work they've done over the years and I feel they get a lot of stick about it for no good reason.
Canonical shows how to use Snaps without the Snap Store
Despite what you may have heard, it's not as proprietary as the trolls thinkLiam Proven (The Register)
Isn't that the purpose though of Ubuntu though?
No, because back in the day when Ubuntu was "Linux for human beings" you could literally feel that in almost every aspect of it, from the ease of its installation to its icon theme and system sounds to its help pages. It was their "selling" point - it made Linux friendly and reachable for many people, as it did for you and me.
It's been more than 15 years since I used Ubuntu but from that point I really could feel that what @merci3@lemmy.world says is true - it no longer offered any real benefit compared to Fedora, Solus, Mint or whatever distro targeted at people getting into Linux. You won't find many people saying that Ubuntu really stands out from their similars about something. It just became another option, forgot what was "Ubuntu" about (remember the Amazon ads scandal?) and seem to be really stubborn into impose to the community their way of doing things (snaps, mir...). Or tell me with a serious face how the snap thing makes the life easier of someone wanting to install a deb.
It's correct what you say - as many other distros, they have done a great amount of work over the years and most of us are grateful to it because we could get into Linux thanks to it, nobody can deny that. It's just that said work no longer seems the case nor they seem really interested about that.
their “selling” point
Here's one place to begin. They're not selling it, it's literally free. Speaking for myself but I just cannot bring myself to criticize a free product which is not a monopoly. And this clearly isn't a monopoly. It just feels entitled.
Amazon ads
The tiny flaw in the above logic. Reminiscent of similar scandalettes involving Mozilla. But these sponsorship deals have always been easy to disable, even before they get dropped like a hot potato because of the backlash. I always come back to the same thought: how much are we actually paying for this product that is apparently valuable because we're using it and concerned about its flaws? We're paying nothing.
Or tell me with a serious face how the snap thing makes the life easier of someone wanting to install a deb.
The typical Ubuntu user will not know what a deb is, and should not be expected to. That's the point. It's meant to be easy. Whatever else they are, Snaps are definitely easy.
They’re not selling it
Yes they are selling it with help desk subscriptions. But mostly to professionals.
ubuntu.com/desktop/contact-us
tiny flaw
Canonical deliberately spied on its users without their consent by forwarding search queries to Amazon via a malicious feature. Users searching their computer locally would not expect their queries to be broadcast externally. Following public backlash, Canonical allowed users to disable this behavior. However, Canonical continues to collect certain types of user data for commercial purposes. These practices present significant issues for those who support free software principles.
OK, but that incident was well over a decade ago. I agree it was bad but to call it spyware or "malicious" is just spin. If you read the quotations from the time, it becomes clear they really thought users would love it. After all, it's the sort of thing Windows exiles were probably expecting. So: bad judgement, mainly. They could have just put the feature behind an opt-in modal and avoided the whole furore.
They're a private company trying to tune their business model in a delicate area under the watchful eye of privacy hawks like yourself. For the price of an occasional lapse like this, we get a rock-solid OS with literal salaried employees to maintain it and keep it secure. To me it seems like a decent trade-off.
Ubuntu’s search feature, which sent user queries to Amazon without consent, qualifies as spyware due to its lack of transparency and user control. This was not an accidental oversight but an intentional decision to monetize user data, prioritizing profit over privacy.
Consider the Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal, where user data collected under the guise of social engagement was exploited for political manipulation. Similarly, the Lavender study reveals how surveillance data has been weaponized to target individuals in Gaza, with profiling systems feeding military operations and resulting in wrongful deaths.
These cases highlight how data collection practices, even if introduced for financial or operational convenience, can spiral into harmful misuse. While Ubuntu may not directly lead to such outcomes, normalizing these practices lowers the threshold for future abuse. Vigilance and ethical standards are essential to safeguard against such risks.
1) my issue lies with it being hardcoded to work with Canonical servers. Yeah, technically you could host your own snap store, but it's simply not what it's meant for, so in my views the openess is harmed by this design choice.
2) yeah, I dont disagree with Ubuntu being easy to use, and as I said, I aknowledge its importance for our ecosystem. Also I never said I had issues with peoe who enjoyed "vanilla" Ubuntu, I'm actually happy to see people enjoying Linux as a whole.
But as previously stated, my personal opinion is that modern Ubuntu adds nothing compared to other desktop distros, ot's DE is just Gnome with extensions bult in.
The Snap store is not very well optimized and there was no reason to have it as default over gnome-software, which is more feature-complete.
Nowadays, for my use, I only see Ubuntu as Debian with a more modern installer.
But these complaints are in parts because I'm a flatpak > snap guy, and a vanilla gnome > whatever Canonical did guy which are personal tastes.
I don't have much experience with servers so I can't really give an opinion on this take.
But I guess it's my bad, I should have specified that I was referring to desktop usage
Does it have problems? I mean, some may prefer other distros to Ubuntu or may not like some stuff that come with Ubuntu, that doesn't mean Ubuntu has any issue ;)
I don't like bananas, no issue at all with bananas. I prefer Debian (on which is based Ubuntu) and I prefer Mint (based on... ubuntu) because they suit me much better, that's all. At least for me. edit: one thing I don't like for example are snaps, me not liking them does not mean they're necessarily bad.
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Corporate ownership, but you can have that and still be generally accepted in the community. Like both Fedora when controlled by Red Hat and Suse when controlled by Novell.
One of the real problem is their dual license policy for their open source projects, that grant Ubuntu full license and the power to close in an Open source Project if they want. This is decidedly against the GPL spirit, but can be done with dual licensing.
Another problem is the "not made here" mentality, which undermined Wayland for instance.
Ultimately the problem is I guess, that Ubuntu is (was?) trying to make Ubuntu exclusive to Linux, with Canonical controlling key technologies. Seemingly an effort to reduce other Linux distros to second rate players.
Another example of that (apart from dual license and Mir) is their new package system Snap, which is open source on the client side, but proprietary on the server side.
Obviously it's not a good idea for Linux to use proprietary package systems.
These are of course ideological issues, if you don't give a shit about those, I suppose Ubuntu is mostly OK. Except minor annoyances like media not working out of the box. And that the PPA system sucks.
Here we go again... Some historical reasons, and some technical. Here are a few (strong points) that comes to my mind:
Ubuntu has a track record to do their own thing and splitting community or the entire Linux eco system, such as with Unity, Mir and Snaps. Unity was badly implemented desktop environment in the beginning and lot of people didn't like it. Although I think it was a great DE over time, it was just another fuel in the fire. More serious problem was Mir. Mir was an alternative to Wayland, because Canonical was not happy with Wayland and they didn't want to implement what Ubuntu tried to do on phones. But that meant the programs and protocols to support was now X11, Wayland and Mir. And related to it, the focus of mobile user interface on desktop (Mir+Unity) was something lot of desktop fans didn't like at that time. Canonical gave up on Mir and Unity (and smartphones entirely).
Snaps were very slow at the beginning, some people does not like that it fills the device loops, and not many apps were available as snaps. Snap is a similar but alternative technology to Flatpak. Again, because Canonical was not happy with Flatpak and Snap truly has some advantages over it. But it means splitting the eco system once again. But what made it really upsetting for many is, that not only Snap is pushed by Canonical a lot, but also when installing a native package, the package manager would silently install the snap version instead. That is sneaky. And not only that. The Snap repository from Canonical is proprietary. And if you want support Snap, you have to use that repo or use your own repo. Unlike Flatpak, you cannot have multiple repositories. That means in Snap you can only use Canonicals proprietary Snap repository, because otherwise you would not have all the apps in it.
There was some Amazon related datas send to Amazon with an app, every time you searched in the search bar of Unity. Even though this is gone for long time, it still is something people (me included) remember. Some say it was spyware... which is kind of was, but is up to debate.
Also some do not like that Canonical is a corporation. I personally don't have a problem with that (and used it for 13 years exclusively), but its something to mention what problems have with. Also Ubuntu is used in Windows too, so people have conspiracies too or do not like their cooperation. I'm fine with that and actually like that Linux gets more exposure this way. But again, some people don't like it.
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But its not about just how it started. Snap was more focused on phones and servers, not on desktop in the beginning. And there were not much, because Snap was usable over the following years (like Flatpak). Canonical could see how the entire rest of the Linux communities and distributions adopted Flatpak and could have switched to it. But contrary to it, Canonical was very pushy about Snap. So my argument is, Canonical should have dropped Snap early when they still could (just like they did with Mir in example). But they didn't.
Obviously now its a different situation, but you were talking about the beginning in this reply.
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You said Snap is a similar but alternative to Flatpak, implying that it was developed in response to Flatpak, which simply isn't the case.
Snap predates Flatpak, and it's clearly a big money maker for Canonical with their commercial customers who want things like confined but upgradable services in an airgapped environment. By the time Flatpak was making enough headway to be considered feasible to use, snaps were already pretty widely used and had several fairly big names like JetBrains, ROS and CircleCI publishing on snapcraft.io.
Flatpak cannot and was never intended to do all the things snap can, such as setting up system services or distributing kernels. So even if the assertion that snaps for desktop apps were a response to Flatpak were true (it's not), it doesn't make sense for Canonical to stop developing snap regardless, as desktop apps are only a tiny part of what snaps do.
The general philosophy behind it.
Ubuntu started out as Debian with some improvements.
Once they were established as the primary Linux distro, they pivoted to an MS-like approach. They tried to invent and implement their own solutions for things that an agreed-upon solution already existed, and was in need of manpower to iron out the kinks (best example is developing Mir instead of throwing their weight behind Wayland, or creating Unity instead of improving Gnome).
They also tried again and again to monetize their OS, which they built on top of millions of volunteer work hours from the Debian project.
All of these efforts failed so far. Their current "we can do it better" project is Snaps, which again duplicates volunteer work instead of contributing to Flatpak which was there before.
I'm willing to admit this one does make sense, since their goal is to make an OS where everything except the kernel and the init system is a snap, something which you can't do with flatpak.
But I'm also pretty sure that'll fail again.
If they simply built an OS with a Debian base, newer packages, 2 releases per year, an LTS every 2 years, and a GUI selector for Gnome or KDE in the installer, they'd be the perfect beginner distro. On the other hand, then they wouldn't make any money.
I like Ubuntu for exactly that: The bravery and manpower to try different things. I remember I loved their Init-System Upstart when it came out in 2006 - long before systemd got established. It made managing services and their dependencies far easier than with the SysV-Init system other distros had at the time.
Unity was miles ahead of Gnome-Shell in the beginning. And I loved the one-menu-bar approach - similar to macOS - as it saved screen space on smaller screens.
It’s easy to flak on Ubuntu for not keeping in line with “tradition”, but I believe we wouldn’t have some newer projects without Canonical trying something new and showing people what’s possible.
My daily driver for ~25 years is still on sysvinit. I have plenty of experience with systemd based distros. I run proxmox on my home server. I don't hate systemd, but it's a lot less intuitive for me.
Example: I want to start the tailscale daemon and service at boot. Easy, add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local . Oh wait, I want my laptop to check for an internet connection before trying to bring up tailscale. Otherwise the boot process halts for 20 seconds until it gives up. Easy, add a bash script in rc.local to test for an internet connection before trying to bring tailscale up.
I know the answer is systemctl something, but I have to look it up EVERY DAMN TIME. and this is just one of many things that have been giving me heartburn for years.
But you are doing the work the computer should do by scripting your own startup process. Also, it will process your rc.local sequentially whereas systemd does things in parallel. If you have 5 different custom services that need network, your approach would have them started one after another. Systemd would wait for network access and then start them all in parallel. If one of those hangs, the others will still start in a few seconds (unless they depend on the hanging service) and the boot process will still continue.
Also, what about if some service fails? systemd can restart them automatically, you have commands to see at a glance whether your desired services are all running (i.e. the system is in your desired state), it manages the log outputs for each service, etc. etc. .... it's a huge comfort win and once you've written a few units, you won't have to look everything up all the time.
[Unit]
Description=My service
After=network-online.target
[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/myservice -d
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.targetPut this in
/etc/systemd/system/myservice.service, run systemctl daemon-reload followed by systemctl enable myservice and Bob's your mother's brother. Optionally, start it directly using systemctl start myservice. (On most systems, service myservice start will work, too.) It doesn't get any easier than that.And, if you start to automate your system's configuration(s) using e.g. Ansible, it's far easier to just place a few files in the filesystem and run a few commands than to modify the rc.local in an automated fashion without breaking something.
While I don't really like the one-tool-for-everything approach with systemd and its various additional features (timedated, resolvd, etc.), I do like the main feature.
On the one hand, diversity is usually a good thing for its own sake, because it reduces the number of single points of failure in the system.
On the gripping hand, none of Ubuntu's many projects has ever become a long-term, distro-agnostic alternative to whatever it was supposed to replace, suggesting either low quality or insufficient effort.
I'm . . . kind of torn. Not that I'm ever likely to switch from Gentoo to Ubuntu, so I guess it's a moot point.
none of Ubuntu’s many projects has ever become a long-term, distro-agnostic alternative to whatever it was supposed to replace, suggesting either low quality or insufficient effort
I'd add irrational hate against Canonical to the list of possible causes.
systemd was in the hands of one single guy with very controversial ideas in the beginning. It wasn't really better than Upstart, yet got adopted by more and more distributions over time.
Unity worked smoothly when Gnome-Shell was sluggish as hell on the same hardware.
And you have fixed versions every half a year with a set of packages that is guaranteed to work together. On top of that, there's an upgrade path to the next version - no reinstall needed.
Ubuntu's slogan is "Linux for human beings" which fits quite well, I believe. Otherwise, it wouldn't get recommended to newbies so often. If you want all the nerdy stuff, there are plenty of other distributions to choose from. 😉
Thing is, even when Ubuntu's software has been packaged outside Ubuntu, it's so far failed to gain traction. Upstart and Unity were available from a Gentoo overlay at one point, but never achieved enough popularity for anyone to try to move them to the main tree. I seem to recall that Unity required a cartload of core system patches that were never upstreamed by Ubuntu to be able to work, which may have been a contributing factor. It's possible that Ubuntu doesn't want its homegrown software ported, which would make its contribution to diversity less than useful.
I’d add irrational hate against Canonical to the list of possible causes.
Canonical's done a few things that make it quite rational to hate them, though. I seem to remember an attempt to shoehorn advertising into Ubuntu, à la Microsoft—it was a while ago and they walked it back quickly, but it didn't make them popular.
(Also, I'm aware of the history of systemd, and Poettering is partly responsible for the hatred still focused on the software in some quarters. I won't speak to his ability as a programmer or the quality of the resulting software, but he is terrible at communication.)
And you have fixed versions every half a year with a set of packages that is guaranteed to work together. On top of that, there’s an upgrade path to the next version - no reinstall needed.
I've been upgrading one of my Gentoo systems continuously since 2008 with no reinstalls required—that's the beauty of a rolling-release distro. And I've never had problems with packages not working together when installing normally from the main repository (shooting myself in the foot in creative ways while rolling my own packages or upgrades doesn't count). Basic consistency of installed software should be a minimum requirement for any distro. I'm always amazed when some mainstream distro seems unable to handle dependencies in a sensible manner.
I have nothing against Ubuntu—just not my cup of tea for my own use—and I don't think it's a bad distro to recommend to newcomers (I certainly wouldn't recommend Gentoo!) Doesn't mean that it's the best, or problem-free, or that its homegrown software is necessarily useful.
Snap is the biggest issue.
The developers say they are awesome and the fans say they are awesome.
It doesn't change the fact that they kinda suck, the forced updates kinda suck, and the tone-deafness of the fans kinda sucks.
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Most of the criticism I have seen online stems from how Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) plays fast and loose with the FLOSS ethos. The earliest controversy I can recall was the inclusion of the ‘Amazon shopping lens’ in its Unity desktop environment. There may have been earlier issues, but this one made mainstream headlines in the early 2010s. More recently, the push for Snap (its application bundle format), which relies on proprietary server-side components, which invited criticism.
That said, I still find the OS ideal for most users. It has been (and still is) a gateway OS for many Windows and macOS refugees, thanks to its strong community. It was for me nearly two decades ago, and I prefer to remember Ubuntu for the good it has done for the community.
It uses gnome. That's why I use Kubuntu instead.
Other people have issues with snap packages, however I'm quite the opposite and actually tend to prefer snaps over other means of getting apps.
I use Ubuntu every day. I'm part of the Linux community. And i believe that Ubuntu helped to make the Linux desktop easy and available and sort-of cool.
There's no hate, but i could live without snap, unity and oversimplification. Actually that's my biggest issue. Give me settings, give me choice. Hibernate works fine on my machine, don't hide it.
Apt/deb is a fine package manager, flatpak and docker can supplement it when you want something not packaged as deb. The way Ubuntu updates browser over snap is a small improvement, but it's not worth deviating from the rest of the Linux world.
I don't hate Ubuntu. I think they are wasting their time on stuff no one needs. Missing the chance to improve Linux for everyone.
Actually that’s my biggest issue. Give me settings, give me choice
That's an GNOME issue mostly I think. It has this least possible settings and oversimplification approach, because GNOME thinks people can't handle it. Ubuntu modified the configuration of GNOME that it looks and behave somewhat similar to previous Unity versions.
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Seems you might be a more sophisticated user than the ones targeted by Ubuntu. That is: Windows normies who find the whole concept of Linux deeply foreboding, but bravely take the leap anyway. As usual, most people in this discussion are neglecting this crucial fact.
Ubuntu is trying to make things easy and secure. I don't much like Snaps either, but the security paradigm is better than APT, and they are nothing if not easy.
Ubuntu is like all other Linux distributions, they add to fragmentation.
Everyone should run Arch Linux
I use arch linux btw
Snaps are the worst, but there are relatively easy ways to rip that shit out
Having said that, for the rest I like Ubuntu reasonably okay. Going to try KDE neon which should be a bit newer
Canonical, the owners of Ubuntu, love to steal open source projects. They'll help a project with development power, then force the contributors to sign a CLA (for an example see the fork of LXD called Incus). Canonical also uses and forces proprietary systems onto the user's, e.g. Snap uses the proprietary and hardcoded Canonical repository, which Ubuntu now defaults to using Snap for installing packages.
Side note, if it wasnt for Snap using a proprietary backend and also depending on AppArmor (generally regarded as a weaker MAC than SELinux), I would prefer Snap over Flatpak. It creates a better sandbox (aka the actually Security of the software), avoids sandbox escapes, blacklists against broad permissions (e.g. $HOME access), and Snap packages generally have stricter permissions (which determines the real-world security of Snap). Sandboxing is very important for Desktop (and server) security. Android is does the best job of this, but it would be nice if projects like Sydbox, Crablock, or Bubblejail were adopted and built-in to the package manager.
But even without any of the previously mentioned problems, I just think Fedora is a better OS. Fedora comes preconfigured with SELinux policies to confine system services they are quicker to adopt new technologies. Fedora is also a semi-rolling distro, meaning packages are quicker to get updated than on Ubuntu. Fedora stays FOSS, where as Ubuntu becomes more locked down. Also, the package Brace made by the developer of DivestOS is great for quickly hardening a Fedora system.
Ubuntu initially positioned itself as a staunch advocate for free software, reflecting its roots in the principles of open-source freedom and collaboration. This ethos is captured in early mission statements and community declarations that emphasized the "freedom to use, share, study, and improve" software.
Today, Ubuntu still mentions its commitment to free software, as noted on the Ubuntu Community Mission page, which emphasizes building tools accessible to all and maintaining an ethos of openness and collaboration. However, its approach has evolved to include a pragmatic balance between free software and proprietary solutions.
For me, Snaps are the thing. Ubuntu has chosen to use Snaps even for things readily available on other distros / in many repos without the need for Snap.
Linux is about choice, and making that kind of decision eliminates some choice. And given that Ubuntu is commonly recommended for new users -- partly because it is often one of the few distros with official support for stuff -- it's extra annoying.
Edit: in practice, there are many Ubuntu-like distros that are probably just as good for new users and don't need the Snaps (e.g. Mint). But new users won't know this. If Ubuntu were not the behemoth it is in terms of name recognition, many people would care less.
As far as I know, you're still locked into their ecosystem, though.
I'll give some anecdotes.
- A friend long ago was setting up VSCode and Java. He wasn't the most familiar with Ubuntu, or Linux at all -- imagine his struggle when his JDK couldn't be found. Why? Non-obvious to him, it was sandboxed as a
snap. - When I was a noob, I was looking for a package for some app, but when I found a PPA, it was an enormous command to set up. And hunting online for software... how Windowsy.
- When I was a noob, I was theming my system with a mildly rare theme. But Firefox was a
snap. And since the theme didn't have asnap, I had to try to integrate it myself or de-snapFirefox... shiver
Maybe it's changed now. But (1) pushed me to Mint, (2) pushed me further to distros with simpler text-based package management, and (3) is hopefully easier nowadays.
Bottom line (as many agree): Snaps are uncomfortable for a lot of levels of Linux.
There's nothing bad about Ubuntu, but Canonical rips a fat line and says, "I'm going to make my own display server, with black jack, and hookers!" Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, innovation is good and all, but they release a steaming pile of crap that doesn't really integrate well into the rest of the Linux ecosystem. They spend years telling everyone that their display server is the best thing ever and no they won't offer any alternatives or integrate it into any of your systems thank you very much.
Then 10 years later they unceremoniously dump it in favor for whatever everyone else has been using.
I just wish they would funnel all that innovation upstream instead so everyone benefitted instead of just Canonicals bottom line.
The .deb format has serious impairments toward validating content.
Security people shake their heads when "how do we know" fails, and build/rel people can't answer the question "is that what's expected" for all files.
It's a major difference between enterprise Linux and debuntus, and I've been in groups where this breakage has eliminated that branch of Linux distros from opportunities.
I don't really have any experience with enterprise Ubuntu (we use RHEL at work and I'm not a sysadmin anyway) but its kind of hard to blame that all on Canonical since they inherited it from debian.
I mean, I'm sure you could change the package format that your nascent distro uses, but at that point you might as well make a completely new, unforked distro since you're basically rewriting the entire system.
There's lots of examples. Mir, Unity, Snap, PPAs, and more.
I think Ubuntu Core is a bad example. Immutable distros is where the industry is headed for a lot of good reasons, and it makes sense for Canonical to jump on that train. Snaps are bad (although honestly I do like that they can package server apps unlike flatpak, that's cool), but the concept for the distro is not.
The selling point is that it is immutable, not that it uses snaps (which it does). Fedora does the same thing with Silverblue and IoT. You don't install rpms, you install flatpaks. You can install rpms, but you're not really meant to.
Since Canonical refuses to get onboard with flatpak (for now) they use snaps instead of debs, but snaps aren't the direct appeal.
The whole idea is that you have a core system in a known configuration. Updating the system just means using a different image. If an update fails, then you just roll back to the last good configuration. Bazzite uses this to nice effect too.
There are a lot of advantages to end users and enterprise admins with systems in this configuration.
So we're asked to give up control but we're not any safer for it.
I just hate snaps because they're dogshit and don't fucking work.
I made the unfortunate mistake of doing sudo apt install docker dotnet -y on a dev machine, thinking that I was going to get correctly packaged deb installations of those two tools.
After about two hours of having neither fucking tool work, I found that Canonical highjacked the deb installation with their shitty snap packages, which didn't fucking work thanks to the shit sandboxing that snap tries to do.
Don't fucking waste your time with Ubuntu. It's an actual liability.
How Does LibreOffice Compare to OpenOffice?
I have heard they’re the main two choices for FOSS enthusiasts. What are their pros and cons?
I have used LibreOffice so far and I’m very impressed with the ui as it is much more visually appealing than IWork and Microsoft Office.
Seems .world and .ee federation are broken
Is it a .world or a .ee issue?
Seems .world to .ee is broken so i wont be seeing anyone's comments from .world and the rest of the fediverse probably wont see this.
Heres ya issue:
grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0…
Edit found more info
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Wait, how do they get that data remotely? I was looking at my instance vs world and I saw there's like the +1 hour from a week or so ago when I upgraded to latest mbin lol.
I guess they're looking at common activities and when they appear on each?
lemmy has a public api that shows the federation queue state for all linked instances.
it provides the internal numeric id of the last activity that was successfully sent to an instance, as well as the timestamp of the activity that was sent, and also when it was sent. it also includes data like how many times sending was unsuccessful since the last successful send. each instance only knows about its own outbound federation, but you can just collect this information from both sides to get the full picture.
there is also phiresky.github.io/lemmy-feder… to look at the details provided by a specific instance.
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We can see it ourselves. We use rabbitmq for incoming (and maybe outgoing, it's been a while since I looked at how it is) federation. So, you can see the queues there. For incoming (from rabbitmq) and outgoing there are also queues (symfony messenger) and these handle failures and can be configured and can be queried.
After the upgrade I just took the default configuration again (because it seems queue names changed). But I used to have various rules setup in rabbitmq for retries and it took a fair few tries before the messages ended up in the proper "failed" queue (which needs manual action to retry). Some items you eventually need to clear (instances that just shutdown, or instances that lost their domain for example). They will never complete.
But it's not exposed in any way to my knowledge. Well unless people have their rabbitmq web interface open and without login of course.
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Huh.
I can see the post from my .world account
Looking at incoming request. .world is working OK for me. They seem to be batching stuff like I'll get nothing for 30 seconds, then over 3 seconds like 50+ requests.
Of course I don't know if their queue is backed up and I'm getting delayed stuff. I'd need to stop processing and look into the incoming queue to see what they're sending.
Bit of an edit. Looking at incoming again I can see under newest items, an entry from world that was 11 minutes old. Oh I have an idea. I'll see if this edit gets there in a timely manner.
Spoiler alert, it was instant.
Oh ignore me. It's specifically between those two instances I guess.
I think it must be hit/miss. Because I think those edits I made would have gone from my instance to world and then from world to .ee, and it was happening within seconds.
So, presumably random stuff is being dropped or delayed?
Yeah ur right. Everything going on here must go through .world as it is the community. Which makes it even weirder that we dont have .world users federaring out.
My understanding of federation is ur events get sent to ur instance (kbin.life) ur instance sends those events to the instance of the relevent community (lemmy.world) the instance of the community sends that event to all instances subscribed to that community (lemm.ee, kbin.life, etc) my instance receives that event then notified me.
So this conversion is goibg through .world just that .world users events seem not to be gettibg sent to .ee
I think we need someone smarter than both of us to fix this
Filtered word: nsfw
it's not just lemmy.world.
of the larger instances, the following have trouble sending activities to lemm.ee currently:
- lemmynsfw.com -> lemm.ee: 2.81d behind
- sh.itjust.works -> lemm.ee: 1.04d behind
- lemmy.world -> lemm.ee: 22.5h behind
i pinged @sunaurus@lemm.ee on matrix about 30h ago already about the issues with federation from lemmynsfw.com, as it was the first one i noticed, but I haven't heard back yet.
Admins have been talking about it, it looks like it has something to do with banning/unbanning users. Sometimes a ban/unban doesn't want to propagate to .ee and that causes a logjam somehow.
Smarter people than me are looking at it!
I see it? Maybe I just haven’t noticed but I think .world is fine for me?
Edit: nvm you might be right. I just checked my posts in !futurama@lemmy.world. They normally get 60-100 up votes but the last one only got 3.
GNOME how to suspend on power button press?
On Ubuntu 24.04 on my Legion Go, when I press the power button, I get a shutdown timeout. I've gone to settings but there's nothing to change the button to suspend.
Doing a suspend manually by going in the log out/suspend/shutdown submenu works fine. I just want to make it the default when I press the power button.
I've googled a bit but nothing really worked. Apparently there should be an option in settings for this but I don't have it?
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I have that set to
HandlePowerKey=suspend
HandlePowerKeyLongPress=poweroffbut it doesn't seem to work
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Oh there's another section below that. I'll try that
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Apparently it's not displayed on tablets
github.com/GNOME/gnome-control…
Doesn't make much sense to me to be honest
New Charter for the W3C SocialCG
I want to draw attention to an administrative process at the W3C Social Web Community Group (SocialCG), the standards group that manages ActivityPub and Activity Streams 2.0 and a number of other open social networking standards. The group is considering a new charter to define how decisions are made and how the members work together. This might seem like a minor process, but it’s actually part of a bigger deal for the Fediverse. To see why, you need to understand the structure of the W3C.
The W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) is the standards organization that specifies the Web platform, like HTML (kind of), CSS, and RDF. It also is the organization that standardized ActivityPub and AS2 in 2019. The W3C process requires a special kind of group, called a Working Group, to create official recommendations on the part of the organization. Working Groups can have members nominated by the W3C member organizations, as well as some Invited Experts.
The W3C has another structure, called a Community Group, that’s much looser. Anyone can join a community group, as long as they sign the Contributor License Agreement, which grants a copyright and patent license to the work they do with the group. Community Groups don’t produce formal recommendations in the W3C; they can produce Community Group Reports, which can be documents, software, or really anything.
So, the Social Web Working Group created and edited ActivityPub and AS2 back in the mid-2010s. The group had a charter that extended into 2018; it was extended to early 2019 so the work on ActivityPub could be finished. The working group was then disbanded. A new Community Group, the SocialCG, had been started in 2017. It took over the process of supporting new extensions to AP and AS2, as well as maintaining the errata for the two main documents. Importantly, it can’t make major changes to the documents themselves — that requires a working group.
The experience of developers and users over the last decade in using ActivityPub has pointed out some real needs for updates to the documents. The W3C staff have asked the SocialCG to draft a charter for a new working group that could make backwards-compatible changes to these documents — adding clarifications, and possibly including new features. This would be great for the specifications, great for the Social Web, and great for the Internet at large.
The problem is that there isn’t a clear relationship between the boundaries of the new working group and the boundaries of the community group. What input would members of the community group have in the editing of the updated ActivityPub documents? Especially given that W3C members tend to be more commercial and institutional than the mostly Open Source developers who work in the SocialCG, there is a concern that a new Social Web Working Group would prioritize the needs of corporate developers with lots of resources, at the expense of Open Source devs making code for small communities.
The answer we’ve landed on is to implement a stage process, in which new ideas are initiated and documented as Community Group Reports before the Working Group takes them up for possible inclusion the main recommendation documents — or becoming new recommendations on their own. This process has worked well in other Community Groups at W3C, and the W3C staff is really supportive of it.
One problem with this process for the SocialCG is that we never adopted rules for how we make decisions when we started the group. We agreed casually to use the same consensus-based mechanisms we’d used in the Social Web Working Group, but never put together an official charter for the group. This casual structure has worked well for a long time, but in order to set up this more formal staging process, we need to have a more formal decision-making process.
The good news is that the norm in the W3C, as in most Internet standards organization, is to use consensus-based decision-making. So, the new SocialCG proposed charter has a lot of casual consensus, too, as well as pretty open participation on a very peer-oriented basis. It’s about the minimum structure you need to have a long-running organization.
So, let me recap: we want updated, backwards-compatible versions of ActivityPub and Activity Streams 2.0 with more clarity and maybe even new features. In order to get those, we need a Working Group. In order to get that, we need to establish a stage process. And in order to adopt the stage process, we need to have a new CG charter. So: CG charter leads to stage process leads to WG leads to new specs leads to new features.
The Community Group intends to consider approving the new CG charter at its January 2025 meeting. So, people interested in ActivityPub, standardization, and group dynamics in general are invited to review the documents and submit GitHub issues or comment on existing issues. If you’re not already a member of the SocialCG, you can join in a just a few minutes. It’s also reasonable for non-members to comment or make suggestions.
This work is complicated, but it’s also fascinating, and it is an exciting part of putting ActivityPub on a solid footing for the future.
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Konflikten mellan Farsta yngre och Farsta äldre. Farsta äldre är ett kriminellt nätverk som existerat under lång tid. Nätverkets bas finns i Farsta strand och de kallas i allmänhet, Farsta-Fagersjönätverket.
If only my corpo MFA was this cool
Actually, hell no - they'd probably use their acceptable computer use policy as the source document or something equally lame
Yes, it was! In fact, this wasn't uncommon! Several early PC titles would ask you questions and point you to the page in the manual.
Another one was Code Rings, cardboard discs you had to align words/symbols on to get the code to play the game.
If you lost your manual/ring, or bought a second hand copy without one, you were absolutely fucked on playing your game.
*tinkle*
"I'm here for the third option."
"Excuse me?"
"You know, the Gen X model. Give me the Skull Skates shirt and the Apathy sticker."
My city dismantled our little skate park around 2022, and my wife and I were kinda sad to see it go.
The city then built a whole new one in its place that's at least ten times the size with lots of lighting. We see tons of skaters of all ages there all the time. It's really cool and I'm really happy they did it.
Yes. You probably just don't see them on the streets as much, because concrete parks are being build everywhere.
It's now part of the Olympics and a lot more girls skate too these days, so the sk8erboi stereotype doesn't really fit very well any more.
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in reply to Maven (famous) • • •alcoholicorn
in reply to TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾ • • •DerKommissar
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davel
in reply to Maven (famous) • • •Reason: Given the timing with a murder of a health insurance CEO, the OP appears to be supporting murdering.
Chuymatt
in reply to davel • • •Flocklesscrow
in reply to Maven (famous) • • •cornshark
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in reply to Flocklesscrow • • •AVincentInSpace
in reply to WagnasT • • •You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
CloutAtlas [he/him]
in reply to Maven (famous) • • •AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
in reply to CloutAtlas [he/him] • • •All vigilantism is technically illegal
CloutAtlas [he/him]
in reply to AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them] • • •AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
in reply to CloutAtlas [he/him] • • •Spacehooks
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in reply to CloutAtlas [he/him] • • •HiddenLayer555
in reply to CloutAtlas [he/him] • • •Also you ever notice that the most common crime that superheroes fight is robbing of banks, jewellery stores, etc? And they cause TONS of collateral damage to the surrounding city while doing so?
Oh you're a struggling worker living in a run down studio apartment next to the bank? Fuck you, a plasma bolt through your window incinerating everything you own is absolutely worth the banker oligarch losing the tiniest amount of capital in the eyes of this city's supposed saviour!
Oh you're riding the train on your way to your dead end wage slave job? Hope you don't mind the fighter for all things good using that train as a projectile to launch at the villain! Just pull your broken legs up by their bootstraps and crawl out of the wreckage of your train to work, peasant.
Oh you're the bank teller working minimum wage? You wouldn't mind if we turned this already dangerous holdup you're caught in into a literal fucking warzone with lasers and missiles right? After all, it doesn't matter if you die horrifically as long as the money is safe!
All popular depictions of
... show moreAlso you ever notice that the most common crime that superheroes fight is robbing of banks, jewellery stores, etc? And they cause TONS of collateral damage to the surrounding city while doing so?
Oh you're a struggling worker living in a run down studio apartment next to the bank? Fuck you, a plasma bolt through your window incinerating everything you own is absolutely worth the banker oligarch losing the tiniest amount of capital in the eyes of this city's supposed saviour!
Oh you're riding the train on your way to your dead end wage slave job? Hope you don't mind the fighter for all things good using that train as a projectile to launch at the villain! Just pull your broken legs up by their bootstraps and crawl out of the wreckage of your train to work, peasant.
Oh you're the bank teller working minimum wage? You wouldn't mind if we turned this already dangerous holdup you're caught in into a literal fucking warzone with lasers and missiles right? After all, it doesn't matter if you die horrifically as long as the money is safe!
All popular depictions of super"heroes" were always in the best interests of the bourgeoisie, not the citizens. They're even depicted to have largely replaced the police in their cities. They're not superheroes, they're just supercops.
TheDoctor [they/them]
in reply to Maven (famous) • • •rudyharrelson
in reply to TheDoctor [they/them] • • •The Incredibles isn't Randian propaganda by any stretch. This interpretation is wildly missing the film's messages about society. Brad Bird, the director, called the "Ayn Rand" interpretation of the film "nonsense" and "ridiculous" in multiple interviews when this interpretation started getting parroted by people who didn't get the point of the film.
CredibleBattery [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to rudyharrelson • • •is he thinking of the dems and the republicans? lmfao terminally american.
TheDoctor [they/them]
in reply to rudyharrelson • • •rudyharrelson
in reply to TheDoctor [they/them] • • •So, can you tell me in your own words what scene(s) in the film makes you think this Randian interpretation is valid?
I've seen this film more than most people (it's my favorite movie; I've seen it probably two dozen times since it released), and I am comfortable discussing any scene wherein you think the viewer's takeaway is meant to be that "the unexceptional are intimidated by exceptional people and force them to perform inadequacy for the comfort of others and how this is a net loss for society."
Autonomarx [he/him]
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in reply to Maven (famous) • • •youtu.be/O_VMXa9k5KU
youtu.be/Egzz5L1ZUZ0
The movie is amazing.
BleatingZombie
in reply to Maven (famous) • • •(The boss is played by Wallace Shawn)