Do people with newer pcs prefer rolling release?
Google will develop Android OS entirely behind closed doors starting next week
Google will develop Android OS entirely behind closed doors starting next week
Google is adjusting how Android is made, with the AOSP branch moving behind closed doors, leaving the entire OS to be privately developed.Ben Schoon (9to5Google)
100000 TPS over a billion rows: the unreasonable effectiveness of SQLite
100000 TPS over a billion rows: the unreasonable effectiveness of SQLite
A blog mostly about Clojure programmingandersmurphy.com
US Factory Activity Shrinks by the Most in Four Months
US Factory Activity Shrinks by the Most in Four Months
US factory activity shrank in November by the most in four months as orders weakened, indicating manufacturers are struggling to break free from an extended period of malaise.Vince Golle (Bloomberg)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewal…
It resulted in the liberation and elevation of an entire segment of society from the darkness of repression.
What violence has actually sprung from leftist internet memes? You give them way too much credit.
You know that claims of a rising tide of “far-left violence” are fake news, yeah? This bullshit narrative is pumped out by the far-right and by corporate media (otherwise known as the bourgeois press) and by NGOs who get their funding from the bourgeoisie.
Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jack…
Bad-jacketing is a term for planting doubt on the authenticity of an individual's bona fides or identity. An example would be creating suspicion through spreading false rumors, manufacturing evidence, etc., that falsely portray someone in a community organization as an informant, or member of law enforcement, or guilty of malfeasance such as skimming organization funds.Fed-jacketing, and Snitch-jacketing are variants of bad-jacketing that specifically aim to present the target as an informer.
Edit to add: It seems you’re seeing feds at every turn.
- sh.itjust.works/comment/216783…
- sh.itjust.works/comment/201743…
- sh.itjust.works/comment/201705…
- lemmy.ml/post/33325225/1992540…
- lemmy.ml/post/32371812/1954712…
- lemmy.ml/post/32371812/1954024…
- lemmy.ml/post/32371812/1953240…
I rarely see right wing nonsense outside of twitter and substack. Everywhere else it's just "leftists" (actually FEDS trying to set the tune in a violent key for people left-of-center) inciting violence on "nazis".
Bullshit. Show me one admin who claims Lemmy has a “troll farm” problem. Only non-admins make such claims, usually ones suffering Russiagate derangement syndrome.
The closest thing to a troll farm I’ve seen so far is these several user accounts that only post news articles disparaging the US’s enemies.
3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts
What they seem to have in common is:
- Way more posts than comments.
- Almost exclusively posting news articles.
- The vast majority of the articles are critical of Russia or China.
- Virtually always posting to the same few communities. Often there’s overlap in the communities the accounts target.
- Consistent weekly output.
Username Start End tardigrada@beehaw.org May 2022 Dec. 2024 0x815@feddit.de Apr. 2023 Jun. 2024 thelucky8@beehaw.org Apr. 2024 Jan. 2025 0x815@feddit.org Jun. 2024 Dec. 2024 Anyone@slrpnk.net Jan. 2025 Apr. 2025 @randomname@scribe.disroot.org Jan. 2025 – @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org Jan. 2025 – @Scotty@scribe.disroot.org Aug. 2025 – @Sepia@mander.xyz Nov. 2025 – FYI, @haui@lemmygrad.ml, you had this to say back in June on !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com, before the post was removed by a mod:
OP is one of their propagandists from the looks of it. Please look at the post history and report if you see a pattern.[Edited to update links for thelucky8@beehaw.org and and the archived post]
Who threw the first brick at Stonewall? A final and definitive answer to the internet’s favourite question
Who threw the first brick at Stonewall? Depending on who you ask, the answers range from Stonewall trailblazer Marsha P Johnson to Lady Gaga's ponytail.Reiss Smith (PinkNews | Latest lesbian, gay, bi and trans news | LGBTQ+ news)
Man this is lemmy whiplash. One thread judging Americans for not starting a rebellion and the next saying we shouldn't throw bricks at cops.
What do you people think rebellion is?
Rebellion involves guns. Until we're ready for that, inflatable chicken suits are the meta.
The current battlefield is in the minds of the non-radicalized. Bricks only hurt us in that battle. Watching inflatable chickens being shot with rubber bullets helps us win.
Not very familiar with the lead up to the American Revolution are we?
Lots of things being thrown
I feel like in America you should be able to do better than a brick. Cars and guns everywhere.
Throw a car full of guns.
Leaders≠organization
Often counter to it. Terrible structure. Does not fix this problem.
Without leaders? Without central points of failure? Without cults of personality?
That's like saying how would you make pizza without Elmer's glue, because clearly we don't have pizza here yet.
Were Pallets of Bricks Strategically Placed at US Protest Sites?
Government officials, law enforcement, billionaires, or antifa groups nefariously placed pallets of bricks at protest sites in U.S. cities to stoke violence during June 2020 demonstrations against police brutality.Jessica Lee (Snopes.com)
Most of the claims against that are tweets by police. And the police have never been caught lying, right?
"Mostly false" should be turned into "insufficient evidence" because there doesn't seem to be convincing evidence on both arguments.
Which is more likely?
(a) The police ordered seven tons of bricks to be delivered to a location where a protest might occur sometime in the near future, in the hopes that they would be thrown at them by protestors, so that they could arrest them.
(b) Construction site brick piles are a common occurrence in urban areas.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Inciting violence. Explicitly saying to mutilate another human being by throwing an actual brick at them
*Clutches pearls*
Inciting violence. Explicitly saying to mutilate another human being by sniping them out of their Merkava with an actual Ghoul rifle
Here in Italy they hit someone so hard he died of internal injuries. Cops aren't innocent.
EU's Top Court Just Made It Impossible to Run a User-Generated Platform Legally
EU’s Top Court Just Made It Literally Impossible To Run A User-Generated Content Platform Legally
The Court of Justice of the EU—likely without realizing it—just completely shit the bed and made it effectively impossible to run any website in the entirety of the EU that hosts user-generated con…Techdirt
What should I use them for and what distro should I use
I have found two old macbooks in the house me and my family live in.
They are a MacBookair 2011 and a MacBook pro from 2008.
I don't want to throw them away cause they are usable.
I daily drive another 2013 MacBook air, very small and great for what I do with it, Wich I'm still looking to put Linux on it.
For the 2011 MacBookair I put MX in it and I'm pretty good with it(but I want to use it as backup for the 2013), but with the 2008 MacBook pro there Is a problem: there is no battery to be found and it works only connected to power. Since here there are kinda frequent power outages for a minute or so I still can't use it for something that requires it running all the time.
Do you have any suggestions on what to do with it or any distro? (For the 2013, 2011and 2008)
Sorry for the trouble
Have a great day (and I hope this is relevant to the community)
MacBook Air "Core i5" 1.3 13" (Mid-2013) Specs (Mid-2013, MD760LL/A*, MacBookAir6,2, A1466, 2632): EveryMac.com
Technical specifications for the MacBook Air "Core i5" 1.3 13" (Mid-2013). Dates sold, processor type, memory info, hard drive details, price and more.everymac.com
I have 4 Apple laptops running Linux, so I have some experience with it all.
The Macbook Air 2011 has wifi driver bugs, on large downloads/updates you will experience crashes (complete lockups). This happens with either of the two drivers available for it (foss linux and broadcomm). I suggest you get a tiny usb wifi for it for $6. You blacklist the internal driver first.
For the 2008 macbook, consider if it has 4 gb of ram or not. If yes, use linux, if not, have it as a toy. Maybe install something Q4OS (with trinity DE), or even Haiku. I personally don't use Linux on less than 4 GB of RAM. Yes, it loads fine on lite distros, but the moment you want to do some web browsing, you'll hit the swap, which destroys the drive. 4 GB RAM is my minimum. Also, the fact that it doesn't have EFI, it will work best with Q4OS (which is Debian based), and Haiku.
For the 2013 one, I'd suggest Linux Mint, it works great. You might, or might not require a usb wifi too. On some newer macbooks the wifi works without crashes during usage, but it doesn't let the machine wake up properly you see. So all that stuff need to be tested by you.
On the 2015+ macbooks, the webcam doesn't work usually (the third party driver doesn't work properly either).
Btw thank you very much ;)
I use EndeavourOS on Mac hardware for very similar years.
Wifi (Broadcom-wl on the older stuff and brcmfmac_wcc on the newest) works well on all of them.
Webcams work well on all of them as well. Most are just USB cams but some use the FaceTimeHD module that builds with DKMS but works very well for me.
I cannot remember if I had to install the FaceTimeHD driver or if it was auto-installed by EOS. Even if not, it is in the repos and one line to install the package.
I highly recommend EndeavourOS for old MacBooks.
I have a 2008 iMac, 2015 iMac, 2012 MacBook Pro, 2016 MacBook Pro, 2013 MacBook Air, 2017 MacBook Air, and 2020 MacBook Air all running EOS (last one uses a special kernel because of the T2 chip).
They all run flawlessly including the Broadcom WiFi. The Arch kernel is the only one I have found where these drivers work well and EOS sets them up automatically during install.
CachyOS is also an option but the video is wonky on my older MacBooks. EOS is flawless.
Cost of U.S.-supplied equipment for Canada’s new warships triples to $3.6B
During a June 9 speech, Prime Minister Mark Carney repeated an earlier promise that Canada would be cutting back on using its defence dollars to purchase U.S. military equipment. The U.S. has become increasingly hostile to Canada, with President Donald Trump continuing with economic efforts to punish Canada and to push for this country to become the 51st state.But there has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the Canadian military has ignored Carney's call to decrease its reliance on U.S. suppliers and instead diversify contracts to focus on Canadian or European companies. Canadian military leaders are extremely close to their U.S. counterparts and despite the prime minister's direction have advocated for increased ties to the Americans.
Canadian generals discuss military co-operation with U.S. as Trump continues to threaten Canada
As the U.S. threatens Canada's existence Canadian Forces leaders continue links to American military leaders.David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa Citizen)
like this
aramis87 and RaoulDuke85 like this.
Study reveals that dark web users show significantly higher levels of depression, paranoia, suicidal thoughts, self-injury, and digital self-harm compared to surface web users
FAU Study Finds Connection Between Poor Mental Health and Dark Web Use
A new study of 2,000 U.S. adults shows dark web users report much higher rates of depression, paranoia, suicidal thoughts, self-injury and digital self-harm than surface web users.www.fau.edu
Short Demo: Project Wingman + Opentrack with Neuralnet Tracker
cross-posted from: discuss.tchncs.de/post/5009673…
Got a new disk and reinstalled my system (Fedora 43). Followed my own guide how to compile Opentrack with the Neuralnet tracker plugin: simpit.dev/systems/opentrack/Worked fine but needs some build dependency updates meanwhile, like qt6 instead of qt5. Still amazed how good the Neuralnet tracker with ONNX runtime is.
Short demo video: makertube.net/w/bC93YNXQ4aE4ha…
Short Demo: Project Wingman + Opentrack with Neuralnet Tracker
Got a new disk and reinstalled my system (Fedora 43). Followed my own guide how to compile Opentrack with the Neuralnet tracker plugin: simpit.dev/systems/opentrack/Worked fine but needs some build dependency updates meanwhile, like qt6 instead of qt5. Still amazed how good the Neuralnet tracker with ONNX runtime is.
Opentrack - The Simulated Cockpit On A Linux PC For More Immersion In Space Pew Pew
Strategies to get head tracking working via Proton or Winesimpit.dev
Gentoo experience?
Hi, i am thinking of switching to gentoo, and wanted to ask if its a good idea. Anything i should look out for?
Btw im coming Form arch
Thx :3
like this
eshep likes this.
I loved how tailored to me was Gentoo. But as time passes and your hardware gets older, the compilation times get longer and longer. That's what made me to do the hop
I've heard some time ago that now Gentoo is offering more pre-compiled packages. But I don't know the extent. libstd, gcc and libreoffice were the worst offenders in my time
If you're going to be compiling your own kernel (or now Gentoo ships with pre-compiled ones too?) my word of advice would be "don't forget to compile in the filesystem support"
if you have the time for it, then go for it.
Keep in mind and i'm sure you already know this but you have to compile everything yourself so it WILL take time. I have it on a sort of hobby machine and I remember just getting Firefox to compile/install took awhile. The benefit of this is you get an extremely custom tailored system for yourself. But like I said it's going to take you awhile to get to that point. If you want something immediate to daily drive and want more of a custom system as opposed to Arch then maybe give NixOS a shot. I switched from Arch to NixOS on my main machine and I love it, won't use anything else. But if you're patient and have the time to dedicate to Gentoo then go for it, it's fun to play around with on a Saturday afternoon.
If you want something immediate to daily drive and want more of a custom system as opposed to Arch then maybe give NixOS a shot
IMO the main customization part of Gentoo is that you can compile the world without the libs you don't want to have. With NixOS (AFAIK) being also package-based, how can it offer more custom system than Arch?
Im not, arch is a nightmare for me. I try to installiert something over pacman: ERROR. I try to fix the error, doesnt work because it needs certain shared library files... That i can not find.
But thats not the only thing, somehow the Servers are allways down and its not a nice little challange anymore. More like a piece of code designed to make me miserable.
I hope thats different in gentoo :)
Well, to be honest, you're choosing the two most difficult distros to manage.
It sounds like you're kind of new to the area...why not just use Fedora?
That's...an opinion that is not backed by any facts at all. What in the world are you talking about with "bloat" 🤣
So you're a newbie, and making lots of wild claims and taking awfully opinionated positions in this thread all over the place. I don't think you want help, so just be on your way 👍
Why do i need bluetooth compatibility if i dont usw it, why wifi?
If i dont want help, why would i ask?
Because they occupy so small disk size that they don't matter and it's easier to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I wouldn't call hardware support bloat ware.
Also, just so you know, Arch has Bluetooth and wifi compatibility even if you don't install the packages, Gentoo does not. You would need to recompile your kernel with the correct configuration to enable those for your specific card.
Arch is just as bloated as Fedora, Mint or Bazzite. Hell, my Arch is a lot more bloated than any of those. This is Linux, the system is as bloated as you want it to be, but also having stuff installed doesn't necessarily causes your computer to be slow, programs only execute when you tell them to.
Bluetooth is a fucking security risk, wifi too.
I dont care how bloated your os is. Also BLAOT IS WHY IM SWITCHING
Do you know about limited disk space? Cuz that doesnt seem to be a problem for you, maybe it is for tho? Who knows?
Bluetooth is a fucking security risk, wifi too.
Sure pal, big security risks. You should learn about cyber security before regurgitating information. Having the chip is not a security risk, having the open source driver isn't either, the security risk is 99% between the screen and the chair.
I dont care how bloated your os is. Also BLAOT IS WHY IM SWITCHING
My point is that Arch is not inherently unbloated, any distro can be bloated, any distro can be unbloated, you decide what's bloat and what's not.
Do you know about limited disk space? Cuz that doesnt seem to be a problem for you, maybe it is for tho? Who knows?
We're talking less than 100MB here, if your disk space is that limited you should really consider upgrading. Especially if you're going to try Gentoo, because not only it requires more disk space but if you can't afford a cheap 1TB drive chances are your CPU will take a week to install Gentoo since you need to compile everything.
I'm sorry for being blunt, but Arch is very easy and plug-and-play like, if you're having these sorts of issues my guess is that you're not familiar with Linux and are doing stuff "wrong" (e.g. installing drivers from a website). Gentoo is a LOT more complicated and will hold your hand a lot less than Arch, I recommend you try something more beginning friendly like Mint, Fedora or Bazzite, learn the basics, learn the "Linux way" of doing stuff, then try Arch again, then, when you have a better reason than because I broke it, you can try Gentoo.
This is not a "you're too dumb to do it" answer, but imagine someone who's having issues driving a shift stick car asking how it's like to rebuild the engine. You're capable of rebuilding the engine yourself, you're able to use Gentoo, just not now, learn to walk before you try to bungee jump.
Why do you think Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora/Bazzite are not that though? It seems you don't know how to ask your system to do stuff because otherwise your Arch install wouldn't break. Plus I bet that the default installation of any of those distros occupies around the same disk space than what you have now.
Honestly you read like an angsty teen who read Arch is advanced and wants to be 1337 by using it, a few years back you would have been using Kali. Let me tell you a secret, Arch is not advanced, it's a very easy straightforward distro, it just starts from a mostly clean slate, but if you're using gnome/kde/cinnamon or any DE that distros come prepacked with its just as bloated with extra steps.
I know, that arch isnt hard, its too easy. I installed Linux to challenge myself. Arch WAS a callange. Now i want something New. And harder.
Btw. You can choose what bloat you want to have in your system (only DE vor goodies too)
It's easy but at the same time your system is always broke? Either you were lying there or are now.
Btw. You can choose what bloat you want to have in your system (only DE vor goodies too)
Precisely my point, you keep mentioning Arch as being Bloat free and complaining that Fedora or others are bloated.
I used Gentoo for a few years. I don't recommend it at all!
first off, there are no tangible advantages. it's not faster. it is more customizable (by use flags), but the only tangible advantage of those is bragging rights saying you kept a certain library off your system and saved 100kb. just enabling all features is more practical.
there are tangible disadvantages. a big system upgrade can take days. and often fails. and, the manual time you spend merging config files with dispatch-config is large.
I switched from Gentoo to debian after 3y of using Gentoo. i switched from debian to arch after about 10y later. been on arch for about 6y now. would not recommend Gentoo
I mean, you can cross-compile to generate a Gentoo rootfs for the embedded system.
I worked on embedded systems for audio devices. I of course endorsed Alpine as well, but with musl as the C library I got weird bugs of stuttering audio output.
With Gentoo I get the option to build my entire system with musl as well, but I would rather have that bug not in my system. That's what Gentoo offers: options.
By "LFS", I think you mean Buildroot, practically. Buildroot is also highly customisable, but Buildroot isn't a distro. Like LFS, there is no way yo update a system, only rebuilding with latest packages. It also does not have flags for the whole system, so you're on your own if you want to disable, say IPv6, in the whole system.
Only if you need fine tuning compilation flags.
But if think it's easier to do with Arch's custom PKGBUILDs.
Otherwise too much work to keep it stable, waiting for a compilation to finish.
All Gentoo users remember the pain of compiling QtWebEngine ;)
I used to run Gentoo on my old computer. Installing it was quite the experience. That was where I learnt about most of how Linux works thanks to the wiki.
I heard compiling your own packages with use flags can improve performance, but honestly it was not worth it for the compile time.
When I switched to my new PC, the Nvidia GPU doesn't work and I could not figure out why. I also don't have the time at that moment so I installed Endeavour instead, which I'm still using.
Its fun to learn how the system works, but after the 4-5th time trying to install something real quick, and there's an error in your package.use or something, it gets a lot less fun.
If you have the time and patience, its really cool. But I just want a web browser without having to edit 3+ text files to allow it to work.
Comments complaining how everything takes time to compile in Gentoo are kind of funny, do you really need everything to be installed asap?
That being said, Gentoo indeed is not for everyone. I've been using it for +15 years and am really happy with it - almost zero maintenance and it's super stable. The crux is the time it takes to be installed and people hold a weird grudge against it just for that.
But at the same time there are more distros oferring pretty much the same, i.e. your own arch.
It's thanks to Gentoo that I've been a Linux sysadmin for over 20 years.
That being said, I've since moved to Arch and then Debian.
Some points:
On modern systems you won't really notice any speed improvements from custom compiling the packages. Apart from maybe some numbers in articial benchmarks.
On old systems with very limited resources, you can eke out a bit of more performance.
Back when I was still using Gentoo, my proudest moment was getting a Pentium 1 with 96MB Ram (Yes, MB!), which was a gift of a colleague to his broke brother, into quite a useable little machine. Browsing, listening to MP3s, email, some simple games.
I also noticed a noticable improvment in performance in a 400mhz Athlon I had setup for my mom.
That being said, I was only able to do this, because I was using distCC to distribute compiling across several machines to keep compile times to a somewhat sane level. Also, I was doing a unpaid internship at the time, so I basically had all the time in the world, so compile times didn't really bother me.
I had tried to use linux before. After Windows XP crashed one too many times. I decided to see how things work on Linux. I initially chose a "easy to use" desktop distro. (Mandrake Linux). Got everything setup. Even 3D Accelaration worked. Everything was really nice and fun. Then I tried to tinker under the hood and I broke something that I couldn't figure out how to fix. So I thought, maybe I need to find something even easier, so I chose Suse Linux.
Same story. Set everything up. Desktop working, 3D working, etc... start to tinker, break something, back to square zero.
Then I decided to change my approach and choose the hardest distro. The choice was between Linux from Scratch and Gentoo. Linux from Scratch sounded waay to painful, so I chose Gentoo.
It took me 3 days until I had a somewhat working system without a desktop. Then another 3 days until I had a desktop running Fluxbox.
But the learning experience was invaluable. Being forced to use the CLI and not only that, but more or less configure everything by hand. It takes aways the fear of the CLI and you get a feel for where everything is located in the filesystem, which config files do what, etc... It demystifies the whole thing substantially.
You suddenly realize that nothing is hidden from you. You are not prevented from accessing anything or tinkering with it.
The downside is that Gentoo takes a lot of time and effort to maintain. But the learning potential is invaluable. Especially if you use it to also start doing little projects in linux. e.g. File server, router, firewall, etc...
Me knowing Gentoo, got my first real job as Linux Sysadmin and before long I was training rookie Admins. And the first thing I always did with them was to run them through the Gentoo bootcamp.
Once they go to grips with that, everything else wasn't that difficult.
Take your time with the install process. It's possible that you may breeze through it. It's also possible that you may discover that, say, there's something wrong with the EFI implementation of the system you're installing to that you need to do some research to resolve. I've had both experiences.
Once installed, Gentoo is pretty much rock-solid, and almost any issue you have can be fixed if you're willing to put the effort in. Portage is a remarkably capable piece of software and it's worth learning about its more esoteric abilities, like automatic user patch application.
Do take the time to set up a binary package host. This will allow you to install precompiled versions of packages where you've kept the default USE flags. Do everything you possibly can to avoid changing the flags on webkit-gtk, because it is quite possibly the worst monster compile in the tree at the moment and will take hours even on a capable eight-core processor. (Seriously, it takes an order of magnitude more time than compiling the kernel does.)
Install the gentoolkit package—equery is a very useful command. If you find config file management with etc-update difficult to deal with, install and configure cfg-update—it's more friendly.
If you're not gung-ho about Free Software, setting ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA" (which used to be the default up until a few years ago) in make.conf may make your life easier. Currently, the default is to accept only explicitly certified Free Software licenses (@FREE); the version I've given accepts everything except corporate EULAs. It's really a matter of taste and convenience.
Lastly, it's often worthwhile to run major system upgrades overnight (make sure you --pretend first to sort out any potential issues). If you do want to run updates while you're at the computer, reduce the value of -j and other relevant compiler and linker options to leave a core free—it'll slow down the compile a bit, but it'll also vastly improve your experience in using the computer.
(I've been a happy Gentoo user for ~20 years.)
like this
eshep likes this.
/etc/portage/make.conf, setup /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf with sync-type = git, and use /etc/portage/package.{use,mask,unmask,accept_keywords} as directories for individual packages. I tend to keep a /etc/portage/package.mask/failed file for upgrade blockages fer me to unfuck after a emerge -avuDUN @world succeeds.Linux reshared this.
Gentoo is very much like an manual transmission. If you ask anybody that drives manual they will say 1 of 2 things "i like it because it gives me control" or "i use manual because i always have"
I love gentoo as playing around and trying stuff out. My personal recommendation is use ZFS or btrfs for a file system and have subvolumes. So if you get so lost in the rabbit hole you can climb back up.
If your philosophy is" stable and mine!"
Gentoo is for you.
You can build a distro, with all the packages you want and once your done if you decide to update every month and dont care a whole lot about bleeding edge. It will work really well, it you want bleeding edge, you can have portage use ustable packages with a stable system. But you really must know what your doing or you WILL BREAK STUFF.
I ran gentoo for 6 months then went to debian, its a great learning tool for understanding how linux works under the hood. I would also recommended systemd over openrc.
Its not that openrc is bad, its just alot of extra work for simple things to work.
Gentoo to me is more a messing around on a spare computer distro, than a production computer. Not that it cant be production, but im personally very lazy when i just want to use my personal pc.
Gentoo user since forever.
The most consistent and long time solid distro, IMHO.
I use it everywhere I can, from servers to laptops. It's so flexible and predictable that I simply love it.
Nowadays emerging stuff is so fast that I wonder why bother with binary packages at all. Once, when compiling Firefox took DAYS well.... But in today's hardware, meh.
;)
If I could give only one reason to use Gentoo, it would be the community.
Anyway, if you choose this route, read the handbook through like a book first. Get an idea what you want your endpoint to be, then start.
like this
eshep likes this.
‘I’m begging you’: what Snapchat knew about addicted users— Concerns were raised within the social media company about the effect of key features on users’ anxiety, addiction and body image
‘I’m begging you’: what Snapchat knew about addicted users
Internal emails show concerns within the company about the platform’s effect on teens’ mental healthEffie Webb (The Bureau of Investigative Journalism)
Average family expected to spend $994 more on food next year: report
Average family expected to spend $994 more on food next year: report
Expect food to take up a bigger share of household budgets next year.thecanadianpressnews.ca
like this
aramis87 and RaoulDuke85 like this.
Upside: a direct relationship between a consumer and food grower.
Downside: THERE WILL BE SO MUCH KALE.
Pizza Hut used to be the largest purchaser of kale in the US. They used it as a decorative garnish at their pizza buffets in restaurants.
They are no longer the number one purchaser of kale.
It’s not because it got more popular somewhere else. It’s because they closed their dine in restaurants.
Lol on the kale. I like the way my farm's setup works. You choose and pack your own box of vegetables so you can get what you want; like sometimes I want small carrots for snacking and salads, and sometimes I want hearty carrots for stews, etc. So there'll be a list when you come in, like (this is all random):
* 1 pint of cherry/grape tomatoes
* 2 heirloom tomatoes
* 1 head lettuce
* 1 bag kale OR bok choy OR arugula
* Any 2 from eggplant OR squash OR zucchini
Etc.
Which is a pretty nice way to do it. Also, while I'm not a huge kale fan, I've actually learned his to make some fairly decent kale chips in the microwave and they're a cheap and healthy snack!
My main pain point is (of course!) lettuce month - the first month of the growing season, when the majority of what you're getting is leafy green stuff. And the first box, your just SO happy for fresh vegetables, you're like YES!! But then you have to eat your way through 3/4 bushels of leafy green stuff for another four weeks, and by the end of it, you're just like, "Ugh! Not again"!" Aside from stir fries and frittatas, my one blessing has been the discovery of lettuce soup. It's not a particularly great soup, but it's definitely edible, uses up a bunch of greens and (best of all) *it can be frozen!
[I also welcome additional suggestions for using up large amounts of green stuff, with particular eagerness for anything that can be frozen or otherwise stored.]
'Intellexa Leaks' Reveal Wider Reach of Predator Spyware
Highly invasive spyware from consortium led by a former senior Israeli intelligence official and sanctioned by the US government is still being used to target people in multiple countries, a joint investigation published Thursday revealed.
Inside Story in Greece, Haaretz in Israel, Swiss-based WAV Research Collective, and Amnesty International collaborated on the investigation into Intellexa Consortium, maker of Predator commercial spyware. The "Intellexa Leaks" show that clients in Pakistan—and likely also in other countries—are using Predator to spy on people, including a featured Pakistani human rights lawyer.
“This investigation provides one of the clearest and most damning views yet into Intellexa’s internal operations and technology," said Amnesty International Security Lab technologist Jurre van Bergen.
🚨Intellexa Leaks:"Among the most startling findings is evidence that—at the time of the leaked training videos—Intellexa retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer systems, even those physically located on the premises of its govt customers."securitylab.amnesty.org/latest/2025/...[image or embed]
— Vas Panagiotopoulos (@vaspanagiotopoulos.com) December 3, 2025 at 9:07 PM
Predator works by sending malicious links to a targeted phone or other hardware. When the victim clicks the link, the spyware infects and provide access to the targeted device, including its encrypted instant messages on applications such as Signal and WhatsApp, as well as stored passwords, emails, contact lists, call logs, microphones, audio recordings, and more. The spyware then uploads gleaned data to a Predator back-end server.
The new investigation also revealed that in addition to the aforementioned "one-click" attacks, Intellexa has developed "zero-click" capabilities in which devices are infected via malicious advertising.
In March 2024, the US Treasury Department sanctioned two people and five entities associated with Intellexa for their alleged role "in developing, operating, and distributing commercial spyware technology used to target Americans, including US government officials, journalists, and policy experts."
"The proliferation of commercial spyware poses distinct and growing security risks to the United States and has been misused by foreign actors to enable human rights abuses and the targeting of dissidents around the world for repression and reprisal," the department said at the time.
Those sanctioned include Intellexa, its founder Tal Jonathan Dilian—a former chief commander of the Israel Defense Forces' top-secret Technological Unit—his wife and business partner Sara Aleksandra Fayssal Hamou; and three companies within the Intellexa Consortium based in North Macedonia, Hungary, and Ireland.
In September 2024, Treasury sanctioned five more people and one more entity associated with the Intellexa Consortium, including Felix Bitzios, owner of an Intellexa consortium company accused of selling Predator to an unnamed foreign government, for alleged activities likely posing "a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States."
The Intellexa Leaks reveal that new consortium employees were trained using a video demonstrating Predator capabilities on live clients. raising serious questions regarding clients' understanding of or consent to such access.
"The fact that, at least in some cases, Intellexa appears to have retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer logs—allowing company staff to see details of surveillance operations and targeted individuals raises questions about its own human rights due diligence processes," said van Bergen.
"If a mercenary spyware company is found to be directly involved in the operation of its product, then by human rights standards, it could potentially leave them open to claims of liability in cases of misuse and if any human rights abuses are caused by the use of spyware," he added.
Dilian, Hamou, Bitzios, and Giannis Lavranos—whose company Krikel purchased Predator spyware—are currently on trial in Greece for allegedly violating the privacy of Greek journalist Thanasis Koukakis and Artemis Seaford, a Greek-American woman who worked for tech giant Meta. Dilian denies any wrongdoing or involvement in the case.
Earlier this week, former Intellexa pre-sale engineer Panagiotis Koutsios testified about traveling to countries including Colombia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Mexico, Mongolia, the United Kingdom, and Uzbekistan, where he pitched Predator to public, intelligence, and state security agencies.
The new joint investigation follows Amnesty International's "Predator Files," a 2023 report detailing "how a suite of highly invasive surveillance technologies supplied by the Intellexa alliance is being sold and transferred around the world with impunity."
The Predator case has drawn comparisons with Pegasus, the zero-click spyware made by the Israeli firm NSO Group that has been used by governments, spy agencies, and others to invade the privacy of targeted world leaders, political opponents, dissidents, journalists, and others.
From Common Dreams via This RSS Feed.
'No One Is Safe': Phone Numbers of 14 World Leaders on Pegasus List
"If 10 prime ministers and three presidents can't be safe from mercenary spyware, what chance do the rest of us stand?" asked one critic. "Since the hacking industry is incapable of self-control, governments must step up."kenny-stancil (Common Dreams)
EU's Top Court Just Made It Impossible to Run a User-Generated Platform Legally
EU’s Top Court Just Made It Literally Impossible To Run A User-Generated Content Platform Legally
The Court of Justice of the EU—likely without realizing it—just completely shit the bed and made it effectively impossible to run any website in the entirety of the EU that hosts user-generated con…Techdirt
Not really. The decision only states that a service that allows to publish advertisements with personal information must review these and make sure it's they have the consent. Something all "gone wild" subreddits do with volunteers. A company that runs advertisements should be able to.
A company that publishes ads for sexual services without getting confirmation of consent is a risk for the society and this business model should not be allowed.
Not really. The decision only states that a service that allows to publish advertisements with personal information must review these
::: spoiler Did you post this after reading only the beginning of the article? Because, around the middle of it, the author foresees and responds to your comment:
Some people have said that this ruling isn’t so bad, because the ruling is about advertisements and because it’s talking about “sensitive personal data.” But it’s difficult to see how either of those things limit this ruling at all.There’s nothing inherently in the law or the ruling that limits its conclusions to “advertisements.” The same underlying factors would apply to any third party content on any website that is subject to the GDPR.
As for the “sensitive personal data” part, that makes little difference because sites will have to scan all content before anything is posted to guarantee no “sensitive personal data” is included and then accurately determine what a court might later deem to be such sensitive personal data. That means it’s highly likely that any website that tries to comply under this ruling will block a ton of content on the off chance that maybe that content will be deemed sensitive.
Here are some relevant parts of what the court actually wrote:
67 In the present case, it is apparent from the order for reference that Russmedia publishes advertisements on its online marketplace for its own commercial purposes. In that regard, the general terms and conditions of use of that marketplace give Russmedia considerable freedom to exploit the information published on that marketplace. In particular, according to the information provided by the referring court, Russmedia reserves the right to use published content, distribute it, transmit it, reproduce it, modify it, translate it, transfer it to partners and remove it at any time, without the need for any ‘valid’ reason for so doing. Russmedia therefore publishes the personal data contained in the advertisements not on behalf of the user advertisers, or not solely on their behalf, but processes and can exploit those data for its own advertising and commercial purposes.68 Consequently, it must be held that Russmedia exerted influence, for its own purposes, over the publication on the internet of the personal data of the applicant in the main proceedings and therefore participated in the determination of the purposes of that publication and thus of the processing at issue.
It seems to me that the fact that the nature of the content was itself advertising is not the relevant thing here, but rather the fact that the website had a commercial purpose is. So, maybe this will only apply to websites operated for commercial purposes? 🤔
(I am not a lawyer...)
A company that publishes ads for sexual services without getting confirmation of consent is a risk for the society and this business model should not be allowed.
Is there something I missed which indicates that the sexual nature of the advertisement was a factor in the court's decision?
:::
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
What is relevant: "for its own commercial purposes. In that regard, the general terms and conditions of use of that marketplace give Russmedia considerable freedom to exploit the information published on that marketplace."
This turns the marketplace in a business that must have responsibilities and duty to care because they not only host the content, but process it.
Hosting is defined on paragraph 6. It does not involve processing of information. You user hit publish, it is published without any processing and and you don't claim right to "use published content, distribute it, transmit it, reproduce it, modify it, translate it, transfer it to partners and remove it at any time, without the need for any ‘valid’ reason for so doing.".
The GDPR don't claim you are responsible for merely hosting personal information, but you become responsible by processing it. "The processing of personal data should be designed to serve mankind."
The point is: you can run a lemmy instance, have people publishing shitposts all day in a hands off moderation policy. One day someone posts a doxxing. As soon you are told, you delete and it's OK. But you can't run a business where you invite people to post doxxing information, you claim rights to distribute this information, and them say you are only hosting it, and not processing it.
The problem is the site want the cake (free harbour immunity) and eat it (gain rights to profit from the published content).
this reads as both unfeasible or contradictory to existing laws (eg section 230).
this feels like another example of law makers making law w/o understanding what they're proscribing
contradictory to existing laws (eg section 230).
Section 230 is US law; this article is about the EU and GDPR.
Operating in multiple countries often requires dealing with contradictory laws.
But yeah, in this case it also seems unfeasible. As the article says:
There is simply no way to comply with the law under this ruling.In such a world, the only options are to ignore it, shut down EU operations, or geoblock the EU entirely. I assume most platforms will simply ignore it—and hope that enforcement will be selective enough that they won’t face the full force of this ruling. But that’s a hell of a way to run the internet, where companies just cross their fingers and hope they don’t get picked for an enforcement action that could destroy them.
like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
But that’s a hell of a way to run the internet, where companies just cross their fingers and hope they don’t get picked for an enforcement action that could destroy them.
the number of startups that i've worked for that operate like this would probably make you laugh. lol
'Intellexa Leaks' Reveal Wider Reach of Predator Spyware
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/1168…
Highly invasive spyware from consortium led by a former senior Israeli intelligence official and sanctioned by the US government is still being used to target people in multiple countries, a joint investigation published Thursday revealed.
Inside Story in Greece, Haaretz in Israel, Swiss-based WAV Research Collective, and Amnesty International collaborated on the investigation into Intellexa Consortium, maker of Predator commercial spyware. The "Intellexa Leaks" show that clients in Pakistan—and likely also in other countries—are using Predator to spy on people, including a featured Pakistani human rights lawyer.
“This investigation provides one of the clearest and most damning views yet into Intellexa’s internal operations and technology," said Amnesty International Security Lab technologist Jurre van Bergen.
🚨Intellexa Leaks:"Among the most startling findings is evidence that—at the time of the leaked training videos—Intellexa retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer systems, even those physically located on the premises of its govt customers."securitylab.amnesty.org/latest/2025/...[image or embed]
— Vas Panagiotopoulos (@vaspanagiotopoulos.com) December 3, 2025 at 9:07 PMPredator works by sending malicious links to a targeted phone or other hardware. When the victim clicks the link, the spyware infects and provide access to the targeted device, including its encrypted instant messages on applications such as Signal and WhatsApp, as well as stored passwords, emails, contact lists, call logs, microphones, audio recordings, and more. The spyware then uploads gleaned data to a Predator back-end server.
The new investigation also revealed that in addition to the aforementioned "one-click" attacks, Intellexa has developed "zero-click" capabilities in which devices are infected via malicious advertising.
In March 2024, the US Treasury Department sanctioned two people and five entities associated with Intellexa for their alleged role "in developing, operating, and distributing commercial spyware technology used to target Americans, including US government officials, journalists, and policy experts."
"The proliferation of commercial spyware poses distinct and growing security risks to the United States and has been misused by foreign actors to enable human rights abuses and the targeting of dissidents around the world for repression and reprisal," the department said at the time.
Those sanctioned include Intellexa, its founder Tal Jonathan Dilian—a former chief commander of the Israel Defense Forces' top-secret Technological Unit—his wife and business partner Sara Aleksandra Fayssal Hamou; and three companies within the Intellexa Consortium based in North Macedonia, Hungary, and Ireland.
In September 2024, Treasury sanctioned five more people and one more entity associated with the Intellexa Consortium, including Felix Bitzios, owner of an Intellexa consortium company accused of selling Predator to an unnamed foreign government, for alleged activities likely posing "a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States."
The Intellexa Leaks reveal that new consortium employees were trained using a video demonstrating Predator capabilities on live clients. raising serious questions regarding clients' understanding of or consent to such access.
"The fact that, at least in some cases, Intellexa appears to have retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer logs—allowing company staff to see details of surveillance operations and targeted individuals raises questions about its own human rights due diligence processes," said van Bergen.
"If a mercenary spyware company is found to be directly involved in the operation of its product, then by human rights standards, it could potentially leave them open to claims of liability in cases of misuse and if any human rights abuses are caused by the use of spyware," he added.
Dilian, Hamou, Bitzios, and Giannis Lavranos—whose company Krikel purchased Predator spyware—are currently on trial in Greece for allegedly violating the privacy of Greek journalist Thanasis Koukakis and Artemis Seaford, a Greek-American woman who worked for tech giant Meta. Dilian denies any wrongdoing or involvement in the case.
Earlier this week, former Intellexa pre-sale engineer Panagiotis Koutsios testified about traveling to countries including Colombia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Mexico, Mongolia, the United Kingdom, and Uzbekistan, where he pitched Predator to public, intelligence, and state security agencies.
The new joint investigation follows Amnesty International's "Predator Files," a 2023 report detailing "how a suite of highly invasive surveillance technologies supplied by the Intellexa alliance is being sold and transferred around the world with impunity."
The Predator case has drawn comparisons with Pegasus, the zero-click spyware made by the Israeli firm NSO Group that has been used by governments, spy agencies, and others to invade the privacy of targeted world leaders, political opponents, dissidents, journalists, and others.
From Common Dreams via This RSS Feed.
'Intellexa Leaks' Reveal Wider Reach of Predator Spyware
Highly invasive spyware from consortium led by a former senior Israeli intelligence official and sanctioned by the US government is still being used to target people in multiple countries, a joint investigation published Thursday revealed.
Inside Story in Greece, Haaretz in Israel, Swiss-based WAV Research Collective, and Amnesty International collaborated on the investigation into Intellexa Consortium, maker of Predator commercial spyware. The "Intellexa Leaks" show that clients in Pakistan—and likely also in other countries—are using Predator to spy on people, including a featured Pakistani human rights lawyer.
“This investigation provides one of the clearest and most damning views yet into Intellexa’s internal operations and technology," said Amnesty International Security Lab technologist Jurre van Bergen.
🚨Intellexa Leaks:"Among the most startling findings is evidence that—at the time of the leaked training videos—Intellexa retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer systems, even those physically located on the premises of its govt customers."securitylab.amnesty.org/latest/2025/...[image or embed]
— Vas Panagiotopoulos (@vaspanagiotopoulos.com) December 3, 2025 at 9:07 PM
Predator works by sending malicious links to a targeted phone or other hardware. When the victim clicks the link, the spyware infects and provide access to the targeted device, including its encrypted instant messages on applications such as Signal and WhatsApp, as well as stored passwords, emails, contact lists, call logs, microphones, audio recordings, and more. The spyware then uploads gleaned data to a Predator back-end server.The new investigation also revealed that in addition to the aforementioned "one-click" attacks, Intellexa has developed "zero-click" capabilities in which devices are infected via malicious advertising.
In March 2024, the US Treasury Department sanctioned two people and five entities associated with Intellexa for their alleged role "in developing, operating, and distributing commercial spyware technology used to target Americans, including US government officials, journalists, and policy experts."
"The proliferation of commercial spyware poses distinct and growing security risks to the United States and has been misused by foreign actors to enable human rights abuses and the targeting of dissidents around the world for repression and reprisal," the department said at the time.
Those sanctioned include Intellexa, its founder Tal Jonathan Dilian—a former chief commander of the Israel Defense Forces' top-secret Technological Unit—his wife and business partner Sara Aleksandra Fayssal Hamou; and three companies within the Intellexa Consortium based in North Macedonia, Hungary, and Ireland.
In September 2024, Treasury sanctioned five more people and one more entity associated with the Intellexa Consortium, including Felix Bitzios, owner of an Intellexa consortium company accused of selling Predator to an unnamed foreign government, for alleged activities likely posing "a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States."
The Intellexa Leaks reveal that new consortium employees were trained using a video demonstrating Predator capabilities on live clients. raising serious questions regarding clients' understanding of or consent to such access.
"The fact that, at least in some cases, Intellexa appears to have retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer logs—allowing company staff to see details of surveillance operations and targeted individuals raises questions about its own human rights due diligence processes," said van Bergen.
"If a mercenary spyware company is found to be directly involved in the operation of its product, then by human rights standards, it could potentially leave them open to claims of liability in cases of misuse and if any human rights abuses are caused by the use of spyware," he added.
Dilian, Hamou, Bitzios, and Giannis Lavranos—whose company Krikel purchased Predator spyware—are currently on trial in Greece for allegedly violating the privacy of Greek journalist Thanasis Koukakis and Artemis Seaford, a Greek-American woman who worked for tech giant Meta. Dilian denies any wrongdoing or involvement in the case.
Earlier this week, former Intellexa pre-sale engineer Panagiotis Koutsios testified about traveling to countries including Colombia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Mexico, Mongolia, the United Kingdom, and Uzbekistan, where he pitched Predator to public, intelligence, and state security agencies.
The new joint investigation follows Amnesty International's "Predator Files," a 2023 report detailing "how a suite of highly invasive surveillance technologies supplied by the Intellexa alliance is being sold and transferred around the world with impunity."
The Predator case has drawn comparisons with Pegasus, the zero-click spyware made by the Israeli firm NSO Group that has been used by governments, spy agencies, and others to invade the privacy of targeted world leaders, political opponents, dissidents, journalists, and others.
From Common Dreams via This RSS Feed.
'No One Is Safe': Phone Numbers of 14 World Leaders on Pegasus List
"If 10 prime ministers and three presidents can't be safe from mercenary spyware, what chance do the rest of us stand?" asked one critic. "Since the hacking industry is incapable of self-control, governments must step up."kenny-stancil (Common Dreams)
nous
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •jokro
in reply to nous • • •LeFantome
in reply to jokro • • •Feyd
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •SayCyberOnceMore
in reply to Feyd • • •Yeah, Point 1 here is exactly why I moved from Ubuntu to Arch ~10 years ago.
I was trying to get something working and found that the bug / feature had been fixed ~1 year earlier, but that version wasn't in the repos... I couldn't move forwards.
With Arch, all is well. And, I'm either reporting new bugs and helping to get things fixed, or I'm updating the wiki with any changes I notice.
muhyb
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •Speiser0
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •With a rolling release distro you get the most recent upstream stable releases of all your software packages. There is really no blood involved. If you want the risk of blood, you need to install the bloody versions of upstream, i.e. newest git master.
Ubuntu et all on the other hand give you months to years old software. If you're fine with that 🤷. And on big upgrade, they break install different software and tend to break stuff.
Idk what role hardware age has here.
Horse {they/them}
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •INeedMana
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •just_another_person
in reply to INeedMana • • •This...is not accurate. Not being pedantic, just correcting the misunderstanding so you know the difference.
LTS releases are built to be stable on pinned versions of point release kernel and packages. This ensures that a team can expect to not have to worry about major changes or updates for X years.
Rolling Releases are simply updating new packages to whatever versions become available when released. Pretty much the opposite of an expected stable release for any period of time.
Doesn't have anything to with "forced reinstall" of anything. If you've been having to fully reinstall your OS every time a new LTS is released, you are kind of doing extra unnecessary work.
dadarobot
in reply to just_another_person • • •Starfighter
in reply to dadarobot • • •Atemu
in reply to dadarobot • • •hendrik
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •nyan
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •What exactly is the point of stable release? I don't need everything pinned to specific versions—I'm not running a major corporate web service that needs a 99.9999% uptime guarantee—and Internet security is a moving target that requires constant updates.
Security and bug fixes—especially bug fixes, in my experience—are a good enough reason to go rolling-release even if you don't usually need bleeding-edge features in your software.
BCsven
in reply to nyan • • •nyan
in reply to BCsven • • •Atemu
in reply to nyan • • •That's a very odd example to choose given how trivially interchangable kernels are.
At NixOS, we ship the same set of kernels on stable and rolling; the only potential difference being the default choice.
I'm pretty sure most other stable distros optionally ship newer kernels too. There isn't really a technical reason why they couldn't.
LeFantome
in reply to nyan • • •Most “stable” distros offer kernel version that update more frequently to accommodate new hardware.
Most “rolling” distros offer LTS kernels that remain essentially unchanged for long periods.
The kernel is one of the smallest differences between the two models.
markstos
in reply to BCsven • • •Atemu
in reply to nyan • • •To be able to predict when something you depend on breaks.
This "something" could be as "insignificant" as a UI change that breaks your workflow.
For instance, GNOME desktop threw out X11 session support with the latest release (good riddance!) but you might for example depend on GNOME's X11 session for a workflow you've used for many years.
With rolling, those breaking changes happen unpredictably at any time.
It is absolutely possible for that update to come out while you're in a stressful phase of the year where you need to finish some work to hit a deadline. Needing to re-adjust your workflow during that time would be awful and could potentially have you miss the deadline. You could simply not update but that would also make you miss out on security/bug fixes.
With stable, you accumulate all those breaking changes and have them applied at a pre-determined time, while still receiving security/bug fixes in the mean time.
... show moreIn our example that could mean that the update might even be in a newer point release immediately but, because your point release is
To be able to predict when something you depend on breaks.
This "something" could be as "insignificant" as a UI change that breaks your workflow.
For instance, GNOME desktop threw out X11 session support with the latest release (good riddance!) but you might for example depend on GNOME's X11 session for a workflow you've used for many years.
With rolling, those breaking changes happen unpredictably at any time.
It is absolutely possible for that update to come out while you're in a stressful phase of the year where you need to finish some work to hit a deadline. Needing to re-adjust your workflow during that time would be awful and could potentially have you miss the deadline. You could simply not update but that would also make you miss out on security/bug fixes.
With stable, you accumulate all those breaking changes and have them applied at a pre-determined time, while still receiving security/bug fixes in the mean time.
In our example that could mean that the update might even be in a newer point release immediately but, because your point release is still supported for some time, you can hold on on changing any workflows and focus on hitting your deadline.
You need to adjust your workflow in either case (change is inevitable) but with stable/point releases, you have more options to choose when you need to do that and not every point in time is equally convenient as any other.
nyan
in reply to Atemu • • •erebion
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •arsCynic
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •So far I've encountered the smoothest OS experience with Arch-based EndeavourOS. Perhaps twice a year something breaks for which the forum or Arch Wiki usually provided the fix within a day. The other 363 days I simply update in the morning/evening and all is well—
sudo pacman -Syu --noconfirmandyay --noconfirm.Conversely, on Debian, it drives me nuts that one is prevented from updating even if one public key from one unimportant repository is missing or something. This troubleshooting is way harder for beginners than most things I've needed to do to fix my EndeavourOS install.
I've got a complete Linux beginner to start off with EndeavourOS without problems. She's even troubleshooting and fixing suddenly non-working Steam games by herself.
In any case, any Linux is better than Windoze. Try different distributions if you've got a spare PC to test with and see what fits you. For the greatest peace of mind, always have two or more hard drives or have a directory that instantly syncs to a cloud to separate
... show moreSo far I've encountered the smoothest OS experience with Arch-based EndeavourOS. Perhaps twice a year something breaks for which the forum or Arch Wiki usually provided the fix within a day. The other 363 days I simply update in the morning/evening and all is well—
sudo pacman -Syu --noconfirmandyay --noconfirm.Conversely, on Debian, it drives me nuts that one is prevented from updating even if one public key from one unimportant repository is missing or something. This troubleshooting is way harder for beginners than most things I've needed to do to fix my EndeavourOS install.
I've got a complete Linux beginner to start off with EndeavourOS without problems. She's even troubleshooting and fixing suddenly non-working Steam games by herself.
In any case, any Linux is better than Windoze. Try different distributions if you've got a spare PC to test with and see what fits you. For the greatest peace of mind, always have two or more hard drives or have a directory that instantly syncs to a cloud to separate the OS from crucial data one cannot lose in case something goes awry.
As for desktop environments (DE), I started off with Xfce about ten years ago, used that most of the time. Then fell for the KDE Plasma hype for about year—they're doing great stuff, but a bit too bloated and buggy for my liking, as well as trying to have a KDE app for everything instead of acknowledging some other software is simply better. One can't be the best at everything. Anyway, then I tested multiple DEs because all of them have exclusively useful features, and the perfect mix between the most prominent ones (Xfce, Plasma, Gnome) I've found to be Cinnamon, the default on Linux Mint. For me that's the perfect beginner friendly DE that also remains highly configurable/extensible to suit experienced users, without being overwhelming/bloated to anyone.
Have fun and build whatever you want in your new awesome sandbox. Screw M$ without restraint nor compassion.
monovergent
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •Minimal delay between a program releasing new features or bugfixes and you getting to use them. Even as an avid Debian user, sometimes I get bummed out when they freeze a package for release right before a feature I would have really liked makes it in.
As for security, there's not a huge difference I'm aware of. On Debian, features stay where they are, but maintainers will backport just the security fixes of each package to the current stable release.
DigDoug
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •This is admittedly anecdotal, but my experience with point releases is that things still break, and when they do, you're often stuck with the broken thing until a new release comes out. For this reason, among others, dist-upgrades tend to be extremely nervewracking.
With a rolling release, not only are fixes for broken things likely to release faster - if something does break, you can pin that package, and only that package, to an older version in the meantime. Then again, I've been using Arch almost exclusively on my desktop for about 7 years and I've never had to do this. I don't doubt that things have broken for people, but as far as I'm concerned, Arch just works.
As far as security goes, I don't think there's much, if any, advantage. Debian, the stablest of them all, still gets security updates in a timely fashion.
ranzispa
in reply to DigDoug • • •I used arch a lot, and I do like the idea of rolling releases, but at this point for the couple programs I need new features in, I just build them from source.
Atemu
in reply to DigDoug • • •Rolling vs. point release is not about whether a breaking change happens or not but when.
With rolling, breaking changes could happen at any time (even when inconvenient) but are smaller and spread out.
With point release, you get a big chunk of breaking changes all at once but at predictable points in time, usually with migration windows.
Fizz
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •Strit
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •I use a rolling release for mainly 3 reasons.
nous
in reply to Strit • • •I would say a rolling distro update has a higher chance of it breaking something. Each one might bring in a new major version of something that has breaking changes in it. But that breakage is typically easier to fix and less of a problem.
Point release distros tend to bundle up all their breakages between major versions so breaks loads of things at once. And that IMO can be more of a hassle then dealing with them one at a time as they come out.
I tended to find I needed to reinstall point release distros instead of upgrading them as it was less hassle. Which is still more disruptive then fixing small issues over time as the crop up.
LeFantome
in reply to nous • • •Is this based on experience? Or are you guessing?
I ask because my lived experience is that rolling releases break less in practice
Before I used rolling releases, I spent more time dealing with bugs in old versions than I do fixing breakages in my rolling disto.
And non-rolling “upgrades” were always fraught with peril whereas I update my rolling release without any concern at all.
nous
in reply to LeFantome • • •Upgrades is any security or big fix as well. Those tend to be quite safe in point release distros. Upgrading to a new point release version is has all the same problems the rolling release had over the same period all bundle in one messy upgrade (which makes them a huge pain to deal with as they often compound). But between those, the patch upgrades tend to be quite smooth.
I would say the over a longer time period rolling release break in bigger way less often. But they tend to have more but smaller breakages that are easy to trivial to fix.
PetteriPano
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •You'll need to update to a point release sooner or later.
Are you the kind of person who lives to peel off the band-aid or pull it off in one go?
I prefer to peel mine. I've learned from pulling stitches by ripping it off.
On a more serious note: btrfs and timeshift are 👌. If there ever is a botched package, I'll just roll back to this morning and keep working. It'll probably be fixed by tomorrow.
kuneho
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •I have a relatively new PC and eventually I decided at Debian Stable.
Granted, I was already somewhat familiar with APT and Debian based systems, but I also was thinking to choose something different or even a rolling release distribution...
...but at the end of the day, I wanted a stable, useable, tested and functional system that I can't easily fuck up or can restore if needed, because, well, it won't be a first time I bork a Linux system with misconfiguring stuff or doing something straight out stupid. But this is irrelevant this case.
I ain't that super familiar with Linux world, so I deliberately chose the safe way. My hardwares are working fine, I have the drivers that work for everything, games running amazingly well... in the past 2 years I use Linux as main OS, I had no problems not being bleeding edge. I kinda had some minor FOMO when Plasma 6 came out and I was "stuck" on 5 with Debian 12, but didn't had to wait too much for Debian 13 that has Plasma 6 by default. Though, I reinstalled everything when 13 came out - but only because I wanted some change
... show moreI have a relatively new PC and eventually I decided at Debian Stable.
Granted, I was already somewhat familiar with APT and Debian based systems, but I also was thinking to choose something different or even a rolling release distribution...
...but at the end of the day, I wanted a stable, useable, tested and functional system that I can't easily fuck up or can restore if needed, because, well, it won't be a first time I bork a Linux system with misconfiguring stuff or doing something straight out stupid. But this is irrelevant this case.
I ain't that super familiar with Linux world, so I deliberately chose the safe way. My hardwares are working fine, I have the drivers that work for everything, games running amazingly well... in the past 2 years I use Linux as main OS, I had no problems not being bleeding edge. I kinda had some minor FOMO when Plasma 6 came out and I was "stuck" on 5 with Debian 12, but didn't had to wait too much for Debian 13 that has Plasma 6 by default. Though, I reinstalled everything when 13 came out - but only because I wanted some changes on my partition table, I added a new disk and... I wasn't quite happy how I managed some things with it so I wanted a fresh start - so wasn't upgrading to 13, but I assume it wouldn't be a problem either, not too long ago I upgraded my server from Debian 10 to 12, without issues. (From 10 to 11 and to 12. First I tried from 10 to 12, that was a disaster though. However, the documentation explicitly said not to do such thing, so it was on me.)
I was tinkering with my tech stuff all my life, I now really just want a stable, working OS. But it's just personal preference, I have nothing against rolling release and I can imagine that there are scenarios where rolling release is the better choice.
LeFantome
in reply to kuneho • • •It is funny. You and I landed in different places but for almost the same reasons.
I use a rolling release because I want my system to work. “Tinkering with my tech stuff” is an activity I want to do when I want and not something I want thrust upon me.
On “stable” distros, I was always working around gaps in the repo or dealing with issues that others had already fixed. And everything I did myself was something I had to maintain and, since I did not really, my systems became less and less stable and more bloated over time.
With a rolling distro, I leave everything to the package manager. When I run my software, most of the issues I read other people complaining about have already been fixed.
And updates on “stable” distros are stressful because they are fragile. On my rolling distro, I can update every day and never have to tinker with anything beyond the update command itself. On the rare occasion that something additional needs to be done, it is localized to a few packages at most and easy to understand.
Anyway, t
... show moreIt is funny. You and I landed in different places but for almost the same reasons.
I use a rolling release because I want my system to work. “Tinkering with my tech stuff” is an activity I want to do when I want and not something I want thrust upon me.
On “stable” distros, I was always working around gaps in the repo or dealing with issues that others had already fixed. And everything I did myself was something I had to maintain and, since I did not really, my systems became less and less stable and more bloated over time.
With a rolling distro, I leave everything to the package manager. When I run my software, most of the issues I read other people complaining about have already been fixed.
And updates on “stable” distros are stressful because they are fragile. On my rolling distro, I can update every day and never have to tinker with anything beyond the update command itself. On the rare occasion that something additional needs to be done, it is localized to a few packages at most and easy to understand.
Anyway, there is no right or wrong as long as it works for you.
emergencyfood
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •Newer features. At the cost of a higher risk of stuff breaking.
No, point release OSs do have security updates. It's feature updates that they avoid.
LeFantome
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •I use ancient hardware (as old as 2008 iMacs) and I greatly prefer rolling releases.
Open Source software is always improving and I like to have the best available as it makes my life easier.
In my experience, things just work better. I have spent years now reading complaints online about how Wayland does not work, the bugs in certain software, and features that are missing. Almost always I wonder what versions they are running because I have none of those problems. Lots of Wayland complaints from people using systems that freeze software versions for years. They have no idea what they are missing. This is just an example of software that is rapidly evolving. There are many more.
Next is performance. Performance improvements can really be felt on old hardware. Improvements in scheduling, network, and memory handling really stand out. It is surprising how often improvements appear for even very old hardware. Old Intel GPUs get updates for example. Webcams get better support, etc.
Some kinds of software see dramatic improvements. I work with the AV1 video cod
... show moreI use ancient hardware (as old as 2008 iMacs) and I greatly prefer rolling releases.
Open Source software is always improving and I like to have the best available as it makes my life easier.
In my experience, things just work better. I have spent years now reading complaints online about how Wayland does not work, the bugs in certain software, and features that are missing. Almost always I wonder what versions they are running because I have none of those problems. Lots of Wayland complaints from people using systems that freeze software versions for years. They have no idea what they are missing. This is just an example of software that is rapidly evolving. There are many more.
Next is performance. Performance improvements can really be felt on old hardware. Improvements in scheduling, network, and memory handling really stand out. It is surprising how often improvements appear for even very old hardware. Old Intel GPUs get updates for example. Webcams get better support, etc.
Some kinds of software see dramatic improvements. I work with the AV1 video codec. New releases can bring 20% speed improvements that translate to saving many minutes or even hours on certain jobs. I want those on the next job I run.
I work on my computer every day and, on any given day, I may want or enjoy a feature that was just added. This has happened to me many times with software like GIMP where a job is dramatically easier (for example text improvements tag appeared in GIMP 3).
If you do software development, it is common to need or want some recently developed component. It is common for these to require support from fairly recent libraries. Doing dev on distros like Debian or RHEL was always a nightmare of the installed versions being too old.
And that brings me to stability.
On systems that update infrequently, I find myself working against the software repos. I may install third-party repos. I may build things myself. I may use Flatpak or AppImage. And all of that makes my system a house of cards that is LESS stable. Over time, stuff my distro does not maintain gets strewn everywhere. Eventually, it makes sense to just wipe it all and start fresh. From what I see online, a lot of people have this experience.
On of the biggest reasons I prefer rolling releases with large repos is because, in my experience, they result in much more stable systems in practice. And if everything comes from the repo, everything stays much more manageable and sustainable.
I use Debian Stable on servers and in containers all the time. But, to single it out, I find that actually using it as a desktop is a disaster for all of the above reasons but especially that it becomes an unstable mess of software cobbled together from dozens of sources. Rolling releases are easier to manage. This is the opposite of what some others say, I realize.
In fact, if I do have to use a “more stable” distro, I usually install an Arch Linux Distrobox and use that to get access to a larger repo of more frequently updated packages.
LeFantome
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •Where did the idea come from that rolling releases are about hardware?
Hardware support is almost entirely about the kernel.
Many distros, even non-rolling ones like Mint and Ubuntu, offer alternative kernels with support for newer hardware. These are often updated frequently. Even incredibly “stable” distros like Red Hat Enterprise Linux regularly release kernels with updated hardware support.
And you can compile the kernel yourself to whatever version you want or even use a kernel from a different distro.
Rolling releases are more about the other 80,000 packages that are not the kernel.
gutcig
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •KrispeeIguana
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •For software developers, it is better to have frequent tiny changes that can break things, than a big mess of breakage.
Do you hate distractions? Do you love steady improvements? This will affect your preference and judgement about rolling release.
The same can be true for desktop users. It also depends on how stable your software is. If you use mainly vim, dwm, and LaTeX, very few changes will break your flow.