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Don’t believe the hype: AGI is far from inevitable
Don’t believe the hype: AGI is far from inevitable | Radboud University
Will AI soon surpass the human brain? If you ask employees at OpenAI, Google DeepMind and other large tech companies, it is inevitable. However, researchers at Radboud University and other institutes show new proof that those claims are overblown.www.ru.nl
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La confiance et le travail acharné sont “le capital le plus précieux” de l’économie chinoise…
OPINION / ÉDITORIAL La Chine a décidé une série de réformes macroéconomique et nous avons vu à quel point celles-ci étaient attendues y compris par les grands investisseurs capitalistes qui espèrent que la Chine va une fois de plus jouer un rôle stabilisateur dans la crise qui est celle de l’hégémonie occidentale. Effet stabilisateur financier mais pour la Chine un tel effet ne saurait être obtenu sans un nouveau type de productivité bénéfique au peuple chinois qui doit fournir un nouvel effort. Nous sommes loin de la fascination pour l’apocalypse qui sous des formes diverses semble s’être emparée du monde occidental
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Mardi, le Bureau de l’information du Conseil des Affaires d’État a tenu une conférence de presse pour présenter la mise en œuvre systématique d’un ensemble de politiques progressives. Ces politiques s’articulent autour de cinq domaines principaux : le renforcement des ajustements macroéconomiques contracycliques, l’expansion de la demande intérieure effective, l’augmentation du soutien aux entreprises, la stabilisation du marché immobilier et la stimulation du marché des capitaux. Il s’agit d’un « plan » de mise en œuvre systématique par le Conseil des Affaires d’État après que le Bureau politique du Comité central du Parti communiste chinois a tenu une réunion le 26 septembre au cours de laquelle il a été proposé d’« intensifier les efforts pour déployer des politiques progressives ». C’est aussi la voix d’un autre important département de macro-contrôle qui suit des institutions telles que la banque centrale de Chine.
Comme l’a déclaré la Commission nationale du développement et de la réforme lors de la conférence de presse, la situation économique actuelle de la Chine peut être résumée comme « stable » et « progressiste ». D’une part, l’offre de production et la demande du marché sont stables, et les travaux en cours concernant les « deux nouvelles » organisations (les nouvelles organisations économiques et les nouvelles organisations sociales) ont donné des résultats remarquables. D’autre part, de nouvelles forces motrices ont accéléré leur croissance, et les trois principales structures de demande que sont l’investissement, la consommation et l’exportation sont devenues plus optimisées. De plus, la nouvelle urbanisation et le développement régional coordonné ont progressé, et les grandes provinces économiques ont également joué un rôle de premier plan. Ce sont tous des signes de stabilité et de progrès.
Pendant les vacances de la fête nationale qui viennent de s’écouler, de nouvelles attentes pour l’économie chinoise se sont accrues de jour en jour, tant au pays qu’à l’étranger. C’est tout à fait normal. Depuis la fin septembre, une série de politiques économiques intensives introduites par les dirigeants chinois et les institutions compétentes ont mis en évidence la vitalité et la résilience de l’économie chinoise. Le réchauffement simultané du marché boursier et du marché immobilier en est un exemple visible et tangible.
Il ne fait aucun doute que l’enthousiasme pour « investir davantage en Chine » a été stimulé par des « politiques progressives ». Il est important de souligner que la logique sous-jacente d’« investir davantage en Chine » découle des fondamentaux de l’économie chinoise et des réalisations exceptionnelles dans divers domaines. Actuellement, les fondamentaux de l’économie chinoise et les conditions favorables telles qu’un vaste marché, une forte résilience économique et un grand potentiel restent inchangés. L’économie chinoise a affiché une performance généralement stable cette année, progressant tout en assurant la stabilité, ce qui est un fait bien connu. La production agricole est une garantie solide pour la sécurité alimentaire, les investissements manufacturiers sont toujours sur une trajectoire de croissance rapide, un nouvel élan s’accélère dans son développement et une croissance de haute qualité est en cours. L’économie chinoise inspire une forte confiance dans tous les domaines et aspects, jetant des bases solides pour la mise en œuvre de diverses politiques progressives et pour s’attaquer à la prochaine étape de la réforme.
Il convient également de noter que la complexité de l’économie chinoise signifie que de nombreux effets politiques mettront encore du temps à se manifester, en particulier dans le contexte actuel de pressions internes et externes interdépendantes. Pour que les politiques donnent de bons résultats, elles nécessitent non seulement que le gouvernement en assument la promotion , mais aussi les efforts collectifs continus de la société dans son ensemble. C’est un impératif. Il s’agit d’examiner calmement et objectivement la situation économique actuelle dans une perspective globale, d’affronter les difficultés, d’avoir une plus grande confiance et de renforcer notre sens des responsabilités et de l’urgence de faire du bon travail économique. Il s’agit de la perspective la plus objective et la plus rationnelle sur la situation économique actuelle de la Chine et d’un appel à ceux qui luttent dans divers domaines du paysage économique et social de la Chine.
L’économie chinoise est comme un vaste océan, qui connaît des vagues turbulentes et rencontre des tempêtes, mais continue à croître et à se renforcer. Pour transformer les effets à court terme des politiques en élan à long terme, nous avons besoin d’un soutien solide de la part de réformes de profondeur et de surmonter les difficultés et les obstacles croissants liés à l’entrée dans la phase la plus difficile de la réforme. Cette étape est pleine d’espoir mais aussi de défis. Qu’il s’agisse de la complexité et de l’instabilité de l’environnement extérieur, de la pression exercée par les ajustements structurels internes, des goulets d’étranglement de l’innovation technologique aux incertitudes liées aux changements du marché, nous devons faire preuve de courage, de sagesse, d’unité et de détermination à travailler dur.
Quiconque a personnellement participé et observé le développement de la Chine comprend que l’esprit de travail acharné a toujours été la clé de la façon dont le peuple chinois fait face aux défis. Derrière chaque réforme et réalisation majeure en Chine se cache l’effort collectif de la nation tout entière. Avec le renforcement et l’optimisation des politiques macroéconomiques, une situation de revalorisation industrielle, de croissance de l’emploi et d’interaction positive entre l’investissement financier et l’économie réelle se dessinera progressivement. L’histoire de l’économie chinoise est loin d’être terminée, et l’esprit de travail acharné continuera de soutenir la Chine alors qu’elle se dirige vers une nouvelle étape de développement de haute qualité.
Le développement de l’économie et de la société chinoises est centré sur le peuple, visant en fin de compte à améliorer la qualité de vie des citoyens ordinaires. Au-delà de la performance des marchés à court terme, ce qu’il faut davantage, c’est une confiance ferme dans les perspectives économiques à long terme et une poursuite continue de la voie d’un développement de haute qualité. Maintenir une détermination stratégique et une confiance à long terme, et s’efforcer inlassablement dans nos positions respectives de bien faire les bonnes choses et de faire des choses pratiques efficacement, est le meilleur investissement dans l’avenir de l’économie chinoise.
Il reste encore plus de 80 jours avant la fin de l’année 2024. Ce dont nous avons le plus besoin à l’heure actuelle, c’est que l’ensemble de la société s’unisse autour de l’axe des politiques de régulation macroéconomique, renforce la confiance et prenne des mesures concrètes. Nous devons cultiver le sens des responsabilités et l’urgence d’atteindre les objectifs économiques annuels et de surmonter les défis auxquels nous sommes confrontés en matière de progrès économique.
Dans le même temps, nous devrions adopter une approche systématique pour considérer l’économie chinoise dans le contexte d’un développement de haute qualité et d’ajustements structurels. Nous devons maintenir la confiance et la patience dans les politiques de régulation macroéconomique de la Chine, être mentalement préparés aux difficultés et aux défis de la transformation et de la modernisation de l’économie chinoise, et adopter une perspective à long terme qui tienne compte de la vision à long terme de l’économie chinoise.
Hi all! I've just published #RogueCairn! It is an #opensource #random #generator of small worlds designed to be explored following Yochai Gal's #Cairn adventure game rules (cairnrpg.com/).
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List non-Debian installed packages:
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"A bombshell story from a forthcoming book by veteran journalist Bob Woodward today revealed that in 2020, when he was president, Trump secretly shipped Covid-19 testing equipment to Russian president Vladimir Putin for his own personal use at a time when Americans could not get it."
~ Heather Cox Richardson
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"A Trump aide told Woodward that Trump and Putin have spoken as many as seven times since Trump left the White House, prompting Edward Luce of the Financial Times to comment: 'What possible business could an out-of-office U.S. president have to call Vladimir Putin seven times?' Woodward recounts a moment when Trump told a senior aide to leave the room so 'he could have what he said was a private phone call with Russian president Vladimir Putin.'"
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"The Woodward book also says that when South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham was visiting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, also known as MBS, in March 2024, Graham said 'Hey, let’s call Trump.' According to Woodward, an aide brought MBS a bag full of burner phones, one of which was labeled 'TRUMP 45.'”
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As Brad Reed reports, though Trump and his folks immediately denied that he had sent Putin Covid testing machines, the Kremlin has confirmed that Trump, in fact, did just that.
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"Though the US and Russia did share medical equipment such as ventilators in the early stages of the pandemic, Trump’s decision to send Putin Covid testing machines would probably have proved hugely controversial if known.
Apparently recognizing this, Putin reportedly told Trump: 'Please don’t tell anybody you sent these to me.'”
~ Martin Pengelly
"I think there are two key words here — not only according to Woodward's book did Trump send some to Putin — but it was a secret shipment for Putin's personal use.'"
~ Jamie Gangel
Gangel is highlighting the words "personal use."
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“'Everybody was scrambling to get these kits,' she said, adding, 'This guy who is president of the United States is sending them to Russia, to a murderous dictator, for his personal use.'"
~ Kamala Harris
"Let me get this straight, according to Bob Woodward’s new book War, Donald Trump was sitting in Mar-a-Lago on a trove of stolen U.S. national secrets and while there, had Vladimir Putin on speed dial for regular private chats? After he tried to overthrow our government?
And Putin is helping his campaign now by flooding our electorate with toxic disinformation? And there are people who would actually vote for this guy?"
~ David Rothkopf
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"Trump's continued 'off the record' contacts with Vladimir Putin are presumptively nefarious—especially at a time when US has seized 30 Russian websites that were attempting to influence the US presidential election in favor of Trump."
~ Robert B. Hubbell
"The most infuriating 'scoop' that wasn’t revealed to the public but instead was safely nestled in the book to sell more copies is Woodward’s nugget that Trump sent Covid-19 testing equipment to Putin for his personal use during the early days of the pandemic."
~ Wajahat Ali
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"This was when Americans were dying and health care professionals were in desperate need of medical supplies & masks which were lacking due to the Trump Administration’s reckless delay to invoke the Defense Production Act. Let’s never forget that Trump knew how deadly Covid was but decided to lie to the public and downplayed the threat because he was afraid it would hurt his re-election chances. How do we know that? Thanks to Bob Woodward who has Trump confessing it on tape."
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"This means that even when out of office, Trump is willing to provide any information, ingratiate himself by telling Putin what he wants to hear, and use any influence and power he has to try to work with Vladimir Putin, all at the detriment of the United States. I have no doubt that Trump used these calls to promise all sorts of policies and favors to Putin and took every opportunity to argue against the decisions of the current administration."
"This country deserves a leader that won't take private calls with a dictator and sabotage the country out of pettiness and spite. There’s only one real choice for U.S. national security, it’s Harris/Walz.
#werenotgoingback
"Donald’s ties to Russia go way back—from visits to Moscow and his willingness to launder Russian oligarch money. It was in the lead-up to the 2016 election, however, that his relationship with Putin became a serious national security concern. At the time, our own intelligence agencies warned American voters that Russia, with the help of the Trump campaign, was interfering in the 2016 election."
~ Mary Trump
"so what? Paris shall burn" - Day One President Trump annoyed that everyone keeps interrupting Putin's very good game of Pat-A-Cake
Project 2025 isn't the only plan in play
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One Trump strategy is to maintain the support of nut jobs by regularly annoying whatever it is they think of as progressive people.
And that's it.
His tennies are "made" in a two car garage.You can't physically put enough equipment in one to make that many tennis shoes.
His watches may or may not have Swiss movements, but everything else was made in China.
Unfortunately for those of us who have principles, hypocrisy is a core value for the MAGAts.
It highlights all of the first class/second class citizen structure of which they are so enamoured. They want their politicians to make a bright line of delineation between people who must follow rules and people who don't have to follow them. They are delighted to find "their people" on the lawless side of the line.
From the article...
"The estimated value of the three separate shipments was $342,000, or less than $3 per Bible, according to databases that use customs data to track exports and imports. The minimum price for the Trump-backed Bible is $59.99, putting the potential sales revenue at about $7 million."
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The Felon and the Dictator
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If Trump wins, defense contractor Elon Musk becomes a lot more embedded in the U.S. government.
If Harris wins, the U.S. can do a critical review of contracts with Musk companies and determine if working with someone who is, at best, an unreliable partner is in U.S. interests.
Another big thing on the ballot this year, with long-term implications.
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November 16th: the 45 Annual Saturday with Sherlock Holmes, at the Pratt Free Library in Baltimore:
" The game is afoot, once again, as seven Sherlockians will give dynamic presentations on various aspects of the Sherlock Holmes stories. The theme is Arthur Conan Doyle, Dr. Watson’s Literary Agent. This year’s event will be special, celebrating our 45th year!"
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A good father knows how important it is to protect his daughter. This November, fathers need to protect their daughters from Donald Trump.
#ProtectYourDaughters #GOPWeirdos #NoRepublicansEverAgain #GOPWeirdos #VoteBlueToSaveEverything #HarrisWalz #USPol
I'm back from NYC, after our book launch for 𝗠𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗽𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘀: 𝗖𝗹𝗶𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗙𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮 𝗕𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗙𝘂𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲, and I'm still buzzing!
This collection of hopeful climate fiction would make a delightful gift for friends/family.
"Metamorphosis is both astonishing and reassuring—these stories.. dare to imagine a future where humans survive.” —Annalee Newitz, the Terraformers
Panel: youtube.com/live/uTEh8bgqpK0
#ClimateChange #ClimateFiction #solarpunk #hopepunk @grist @bookstodon #books #SF
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If Democrat Angela Alsobrooks doesn’t win in Maryland, there’s zero chance the party can hold the Senate.
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in reply to Jure Repinc • • •This is a silly argument:
... show moreThat's as shortsighted as the "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" quote, or the worry that NYC would be buri
This is a silly argument:
That's as shortsighted as the "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" quote, or the worry that NYC would be buried under mountains of horse poop before cars were invented. Maybe transformers aren't the path to AGI, but there's no reason to think we can't achieve it in general unless you're religious.
EDIT: From the paper:
That's a silly argument. It sets up a strawman and knocks it down. Just because you create a model and prove something in it, doesn't mean it has any relationship to the real world.
𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠
in reply to BitSound • • •This is a gross misrepresentation of the study.
That's not their argument. They're saying that they can prove that machine learning cannot lead to AGI in the foreseeable future.
They're not talking about achieving it in general, they only claim that no known techniques can bring it about in the near future, as the AI-hype people claim. Again, they prove this.
... show moreThat's not what they did. They provided an extremely optimistic scenario in which someone creates an
This is a gross misrepresentation of the study.
That's not their argument. They're saying that they can prove that machine learning cannot lead to AGI in the foreseeable future.
They're not talking about achieving it in general, they only claim that no known techniques can bring it about in the near future, as the AI-hype people claim. Again, they prove this.
That's not what they did. They provided an extremely optimistic scenario in which someone creates an AGI through known methods (e.g. they have a computer with limitless memory, they have infinite and perfect training data, they can sample without any bias, current techniques can eventually create AGI, an AGI would only have to be slightly better than random chance but not perfect, etc...), and then present a computational proof that shows that this is in contradiction with other logical proofs.
Basically, if you can train an AGI through currently known methods, then you have an algorithm that can solve the Perfect-vs-Chance problem in polynomial time. There's a technical explanation in the paper that I'm not going to try and rehash since it's been too long since I worked on computational proofs, but it seems to check out. But this is a contradiction, as we have proof, hard mathematical proof, that such an algorithm cannot exist and must be non-polynomial or NP-Hard. Therefore, AI-learning for an AGI must also be NP-Hard. And because every known AI learning method is tractable, it cannor possibly lead to AGI. It's not a strawman, it's a hard proof of why it's impossible, like proving that pi has infinite decimals or something.
Ergo, anyone who claims that AGI is around the corner either means "a good AI that can demonstrate some but not all human behaviour" or is bullshitting. We literally could burn up the entire planet for fuel to train an AI and we'd still not end up with an AGI. We need some other breakthrough, e.g. significant advancements in quantum computing perhaps, to even hope at beginning work on an AGI. And again, the authors don't offer a thought experiment, they provide a computational proof for this.
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in reply to 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠 • • •Hey! Just asking you because I'm not sure where else to direct this energy at the moment.
I spent a while trying to understand the argument this paper was making, and for the most part I think I've got it. But there's a kind of obvious, knee-jerk rebuttal to throw at it, seen elsewhere under this post, even:
If producing an AGI is intractable, why does the human meat-brain exist?
Evolution "may be thought of" as a process that samples a distribution of situation-behaviors, though that distribution is entirely abstract. And the decision process for whether the "AI" it produces matches this distribution of successful behaviors is yada yada darwinism. The answer we care about, because this is the inspiration I imagine AI engineers took from evolution in the first place, is whether evolution can (not inevitably, just can) produce an AGI (us) in reasonable time (it did).
The question is, where does this line of thinking fail?
Going by the proof, it should either be:
- That evolution is an intractable method. 60 million years is a long time, but it
... show moreHey! Just asking you because I'm not sure where else to direct this energy at the moment.
I spent a while trying to understand the argument this paper was making, and for the most part I think I've got it. But there's a kind of obvious, knee-jerk rebuttal to throw at it, seen elsewhere under this post, even:
If producing an AGI is intractable, why does the human meat-brain exist?
Evolution "may be thought of" as a process that samples a distribution of situation-behaviors, though that distribution is entirely abstract. And the decision process for whether the "AI" it produces matches this distribution of successful behaviors is yada yada darwinism. The answer we care about, because this is the inspiration I imagine AI engineers took from evolution in the first place, is whether evolution can (not inevitably, just can) produce an AGI (us) in reasonable time (it did).
The question is, where does this line of thinking fail?
Going by the proof, it should either be:
I'm not sure how to formalize any of this, though.
The thought that we could "encode all of biological evolution into a program of at most size K" did made me laugh.
𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠
in reply to petrol_sniff_king • • •Ah, but here we have to get pedantic a little bit: producing an AGI through current known methods is intractable.
The human brain is extremely complex and we still don't fully know how it works. We don't know if the way we learn is really analogous to how these AIs learn. We don't really know if the way we think is analogous to how computers "think".
There's also another argument to be made, that an AGI that matches the currently agreed upon definition is impossible. And I mean that in the broadest sense, e.g. humans don't fit the definition either. If that's true, then an AI could perhaps be trained in a tractable amount of time, but this would upend our understanding of human consciousness (perhaps justifyingly so). Maybe we're overestimating how special we are.
And then there's the argument that you already mentioned: it is intractable, but 60 million years, spread over trillions of creatures is long enough. That also suggests that AGI is
... show moreAh, but here we have to get pedantic a little bit: producing an AGI through current known methods is intractable.
The human brain is extremely complex and we still don't fully know how it works. We don't know if the way we learn is really analogous to how these AIs learn. We don't really know if the way we think is analogous to how computers "think".
There's also another argument to be made, that an AGI that matches the currently agreed upon definition is impossible. And I mean that in the broadest sense, e.g. humans don't fit the definition either. If that's true, then an AI could perhaps be trained in a tractable amount of time, but this would upend our understanding of human consciousness (perhaps justifyingly so). Maybe we're overestimating how special we are.
And then there's the argument that you already mentioned: it is intractable, but 60 million years, spread over trillions of creatures is long enough. That also suggests that AGI is really hard, and that creating one really isn't "around the corner" as some enthusiasts claim. For any practical AGI we'd have to finish training in maybe a couple years, not millions of years.
And maybe we develop some quantum computing breakthrough that gets us where we need to be. Who knows?
petrol_sniff_king
in reply to 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠 • • •I didn't quite understand this at first. I think I was going to say something about the paper leaving the method ambiguous, thus implicating all methods yet unknown, etc, whatever. But yeah, this divide between solvable and "unsolvable" shifts if we ever break NP-hard and have to define some new NP-super-hard category. This does feel like the piece I was missing. Or a piece, anyway.
I did think about this, and the only reason I reject it is that "human-like or -level" matches our complexity by definition, and we already have a behavior set for a fairly large n. This doesn't have to mean that we aren't still below some curve, of course, but I do struggle to imagine how our own complexity wouldn't still be too large to solve, AGI or not.
Anyway, the main reason I'm replying again at all is just to make sure I thanked you for getting back to me, haha. This was definitely helpful.
beefbot
in reply to Jure Repinc • • •Elon Musk was Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison was Nikola Tesla, more examples I’m sure, and Sam Altman IS ELON MUSK.
To paraphrase Göring: smarty-man hype & their promises work the same in every decade
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in reply to beefbot • • •And I say this disbelief as a loony-sort who believes that insects maybe have language as complex as humans’, and that AGI will probably happen someday & potentially while people living now are alive.
But I just look at they hypesters who think they could ever control such a mind, who obviously plan to, & they just seem like goofy carnival types playing at summoning a god, & when the real thing shows up it is NOT happy these ants were so presumptuous. Most of us aren’t, any AGI who might eventually be evaluating us, Star-Trek-Q-style!
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