Mozilla's massive lapse in judgement causes clash with uBlock Origin developer
Mozilla's massive lapse in judgement causes clash with uBlock Origin developer - gHacks Tech News
Mozilla has removed uBlock Origin Lite from Firefox's addon store after a review found issues with the extension.Martin Brinkmann (Ghacks Technology News)
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Non ho trovato posto da fermarmi a fare una foto, quindi vi beccate la vista da Google Street View.
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MyNameIsRichard
in reply to tifriis • • •Kusimulkku
in reply to MyNameIsRichard • • •They made an error and quickly corrected. It's the addon author who threw a fit and removed the addon.
This just makes me worried to rely on uBO but more because what if the author just fucks off because someone else pissed them off.
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mudmaniac
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •It would seem that the ubo lite version was made specifically to cater to chrome and manifest v3 if I'm not mistaken...
In the end the author may have just felt it was too much energy keeping a pared down chrome version on Firefox when the full version is present and working. Especially after this particular drama.
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Kusimulkku
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in reply to mudmaniac • • •mudmaniac
in reply to reev • • •A mid range phone, that doesnt feel like a mid range phone. My previous phone was Oneplus 6. Nothing 2a feels like how Oneplus 6 felt right at the beginning, at 30% lower a price. I'm loving the face down light only notifications, and the gesture navigation. Gestures means i can use my one thumb to scroll back and forth easily.
Übercomplicated
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •Performance wise they should be identical, what matters is how many lists you have enabled, etc. If anything, performance-focused list management will result in more performance with ordinary uBO. Either way, gothill is a legend
Edit: I'm wrong, apparently Lite can be faster on android after all
MyNameIsRichard
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •As the article says, only when it blew up. But you're right, the author doesn't look good either.
More honestly, I enjoy a good conspiracy theory with my coffee.
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Kusimulkku
in reply to MyNameIsRichard • • •The article also seems to say that he didn't bother to disprove the mistaken findings and so Mozilla might've not even heard anything back until it blew up. The whole thing seems to have happened pretty quickly.
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MyNameIsRichard
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TrickDacy
in reply to MyNameIsRichard • • •rtxn
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •Mozilla can't be trusted to host the addon, so the author is taking on the responsibility of hosting it himself. How is that his fault and not Mozilla's?
Whether Mozilla acted out of malice or incompetence is irrelevant. The report was false and the findings were incorrect, they have to be held responsible either way.
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rtxn
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •Promises from a for-profit company don't mean shit. How many times have you seen the "we've heard you and we'll do better next time" routine, only for next time to be the same or worse? They'd promise you the pissing Sun if it meant more dollar signs.
They're empty words. No company will put out a statement saying "we fucked up, we're sorry, it's going to happen again". Until Mozilla can prove through actions that the issue is fixed, Hill is correct in distrusting them.
Kusimulkku
in reply to rtxn • • •This is such a storm in a teacup. Someone making the manual checks at Mozilla fucked up and the situation was quickly admitted. I don't know what else to wish, other than that the failure wouldn't have happened in the first place. Sucks that it did. Now what sucks is that gorhill doesn't want to do put it back but it is what it is, luckily it was just the Lite version.
While I like a juicy conspiracy and fuck the sytsems and all, I don't think they were lying when they said that they'd put the addon back if gorhill just resubmitted it.
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abbenm
in reply to rtxn • • •Mozilla ruptured the relationship with bad judgment. Which is important when you're deciding to invest a lot of effort into something.
DigitalDilemma
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •That is very concerning to me, also.
Large parts of the internet relying on one or two tiny one-man FOSS projects? (UBO and ADguard are often cited as the only two reliable-ish and safe adblockers)
If he can't be bothered with that nonsense, how secure is UBO's future? How secure is the future of adblocking?
I would bet that advertising companies are rubbing their hands now and planning to ramp up pressure against these poor devs.
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ugo
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •I know looking at it from the outside can look like throwing a fit, but as a software dev I can assure you our professional life is a constellation of papercuts and stumbling blocks on the best days. It is a fun job in many ways but it’s by its nature extremely frustrating at times. For professionals, the inherent frustrations are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, the rest of the iceberg being induced frustrations due to work environment causes of various nature, and a lot of devs who also develop stuff in their own free time do it to regain a sense of purpose and control.
If these kinda hiccups keep happening even outside the day job of a developer, it is absolutely understandable that the reaction is simply to cut the bullshit rather than grabbing yet another shovel to shovel away the shit you’ve been covered with this time.
Ultimately, the cost benefit analysis for keeping uBOL hosted on mozilla’s platform became skewed on the cost side and the additional expense is not one that gorhill can or wants to afford.
So, yeah, it’s not a
... show moreI know looking at it from the outside can look like throwing a fit, but as a software dev I can assure you our professional life is a constellation of papercuts and stumbling blocks on the best days. It is a fun job in many ways but it’s by its nature extremely frustrating at times. For professionals, the inherent frustrations are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, the rest of the iceberg being induced frustrations due to work environment causes of various nature, and a lot of devs who also develop stuff in their own free time do it to regain a sense of purpose and control.
If these kinda hiccups keep happening even outside the day job of a developer, it is absolutely understandable that the reaction is simply to cut the bullshit rather than grabbing yet another shovel to shovel away the shit you’ve been covered with this time.
Ultimately, the cost benefit analysis for keeping uBOL hosted on mozilla’s platform became skewed on the cost side and the additional expense is not one that gorhill can or wants to afford.
So, yeah, it’s not a hissy fit.
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Kusimulkku
in reply to ugo • • •abbenm
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •~~the things people will debate online~~
edit: I beefed it on this one. They were being normal and I misunderstood. Note to self to think before typing in the future.
Kusimulkku
in reply to abbenm • • •Throwing a fit can mean getting angry. It being a hissy fit would mean the cause was something childish and not serious.
I'm not trying to debate it, if you look I'm the one who originally wrote the comment so I'm trying to explain what I meant.
Übercomplicated
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •logging_strict
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •then someone with much more talent can step up, rename the plugin, and carry on.
The challenge is choosing the next maintainer user handle.
github.com/msftcangoblowm/sphi…
Kusimulkku
in reply to logging_strict • • •abbenm
in reply to MyNameIsRichard • • •I mean I'm of two minds here. One, there's an epidemic of intellectually lazy, kneejerk Mozilla hate and it's time to turn the tide on that.
But on the other hand, even as a Mozilla fanboy I can see how this is a really bad look, and really indefensible. I think it's more of a huge error of judgment, and if there are other huge errors, I can begin to see a problem, but I think they have too much of a positive track record in their history to just go reaching for the tinfoil hats so quickly.
Kusimulkku
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0x0
Unknown parent • • •It's to circumvent ManifestV3.
Obinice
in reply to 0x0 • • •I thought that was the shit Chrome was doing to block adblockers and antimalware plugins, if Firefox is doing the same thing what browser do we use now?
I don't care about all the browser wars stuff, I lost interest when it was Netscape Vs IE, I just want a browser that I can configure fully myself and have it be as safe and secure as one can make it, within reason.
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Obinice
in reply to vintageballs • • •IHave69XiBucks
in reply to tifriis • • •That poor dev is just getting so much shit thrown their way constantly having a short temper about it makes sense. They are fighting against an entire industry to make the internet usable for people. I hope everyone who has the means to donates to support the ~~developer~~
Edit: donate to block list maintainers thanks to lemmyvore below for the correction
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IHave69XiBucks
in reply to lemmyvore • • •pmk
in reply to Obinice • • •slazer2au
in reply to tifriis • • •The original ublock origin is unaffected
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in reply to slazer2au • • •mudmaniac
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •Whatever comes after uBO will never be like the same old thing, but we just keep on going forward and fondly remember the nice things we used to have, thanking those that worked tirelessly so we could enjoy those nice things.
Neon 🏳️🌈🇺🇦🇪🇺🏳️⚧️🇹🇼🇮🇱🏳️🌈
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Unknown parent • • •kbal
in reply to tifriis • • •The discourse about Mozilla is ridiculous, here and most everywhere. You've got people taking every perceived opportunity to attack them for things they do, things they didn't do, and things it's imagined they might've done. And then another crowd of equally determined people doggedly defending them for every idiotic blunder they make, such as this one.
Meanwhile Mozilla itself has nothing substantial to say. This is not the first time a prominent extension has mysteriously gone missing from amo with Mozilla telling us nothing about its role in the incident. @mozilla@mozilla.social needs to be in the discussion giving us a real explanation of what happened, why they got it wrong, and what they're doing to improve things.
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in reply to kbal • • •abbenm
in reply to setVeryLoud(true); • • •The best I can think of is that the explainer language used to justify the extension's removal was just boilerplate language that got copy+pasted here because someone clicked the wrong button. But even that makes a mockery of the review process.
I think "oops clicked wrong button" would be slightly more defensible, but not by much. If they truly rejected the extension for content in it that it does not have, it's hard to see how a human could make that mistake even accidentally. But maybe there's something I'm missing.
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in reply to kbal • • •brianary
in reply to featured [he/him] • • •Yep, which further highlights the problem: @mozilla@mozilla.social 🔗 mozilla.social/users/mozilla/s…
Mozilla Social FAQ | Firefox Help
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in reply to kbal • • •mindbleach
in reply to tifriis • • •There's a dozen Firefox extensions that really matter, at any given time. Mozilla has never appeared to give a particular shit about any of them. Paying special attention based on popularity wouldn't be ideal, but for fuck's sake, their passive-aggressive treatment keeps burning out the developers who fuel their ecosystem, and it would take vanishingly little effort to shield their keystone plugins.
If their active neglect had ruined both uBlock and DownThemAll - I'm not sure I'd be using Firefox anymore, and I've been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox. Why the fuck would anyone normal even consider it?
BigDanishGuy
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Unknown parent • • •mudmaniac
Unknown parent • • •God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.
vintageballs
in reply to boatswain • • •abbenm
Unknown parent • • •Good to know! I wasn't sure if it was automated or not. That's rough.
abbenm
in reply to Obinice • • •They're doing a modified version of V3 that they changed to restore ad-blocking functionality.
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in reply to Neon 🏳️🌈🇺🇦🇪🇺🏳️⚧️🇹🇼🇮🇱🏳️🌈 • • •logging_strict
in reply to tifriis • • •then someone with much more talent can step up, rename the plugin, and carry on.
The challenge is choosing the next maintainer user handle.
github.com/msftcangoblowm/sphi…
Good choice?
data1701d (He/Him)
in reply to tifriis • • •jol
in reply to tifriis • • •Buddahriffic
in reply to vintageballs • • •Agreed. Especially considering uBlock origin is pretty much the main reason to use FF at all. They shouldn't be delegating reviews of it to someone who would fuck up this badly.
Assuming this wasn't a "test the waters" kind of thing to determine just how much they were reliant on ublock.
I've been using the main FF build for a while now but I'm wondering if I should start looking at the various fork options.
boredsquirrel
in reply to tifriis • • •I dont get why you would run that on Firefox. Users will find the corrent one, all good.
Btw is the uBlock without Origin addon still there?
Findmysec
in reply to tifriis • • •This one is completely on Mozilla. TBH I'm not very happy with their governance either. Stop spending money on bullshit and start working on the damn browser. Stop hassling devs like him who have had an immense contribution to not only open source, but your fucking browser's usage metrics.
I wish another browser standard comes up and we can say goodbye to this google-infested shit-bucket that is mozilla.
Evil_Shrubbery
in reply to Findmysec • • •Ok, but "google-infested shit-buckets" are also Chrome and all the chromium poop cups, even more so one might say.
Not disagreeing, especially with the sad sentiment of what's happening at Mozilla, just trying to keep in mind the other 95% of the browser picture.
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in reply to vintageballs • • •And he just leaves them hanging.
I'm referring to the users asking the questions.
Skeezix
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in reply to Skeezix • • •Obinice
in reply to GreyEyedGhost • • •To be fair it's been less than a day, one of the great things about internet messaging is how asynchronous it can be, it's great for calming anxieties about needing to come up with a reply immediately like if you're on the phone or something x.x
You're right though, I don't reply to things often enough, partly because I'm very sick with COVID at the moment but also a lot of it is my social anxiety and fear of rejection.
I get so scared of what people might say that I avoid looking at the replies, even when I initially reach out because I want to interact with people and form connections ><
It's one of my big problems that I need to overcome, I'm still working out how to tackle it, but I do know it's a problem, and it's mine to solve.
Alas I can't afford things like therapy, so I just have to stumble around trying to figure my ADHD, possibly autistic (wish I could get seen for a diagnosis...), anxious, dumb ass brain out 😅
I'm sorry in the mean time for being a bit annoying, I don't mean to be on purpose
Obinice
in reply to vintageballs • • •Your username vintage balls reminded me of those little rubber balls we used to get at kids, I don't see them any more (maybe they're seen as too much of a choking hazard now?), so they feel kinda "vintage" to me now haha.
Those things could really bounce! I liked the semi translucent ones with the rainbow swirl patterns.
Semperverus
in reply to Skeezix • • •There is fairly substantial rumor that there may be a smear campaign against firefox lately because they are still supporting manifest v2, which our owning class does not care for.
Mozilla has made their fair share of stupid decisions lately, but they are still leagues ahead of Google, Amazon, and the other FAANG-type companies in ethics and trustworthiness. Definitely something to keep a pulse on, but nothing to throw the baby out with the bathwater over. And if it really bothers you, use LibreWolf/Fennec.
buzz86us
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in reply to tifriis • • •GreyEyedGhost
in reply to Obinice • • •I'm not the best guy to ask for sensitive responses, but try to take my blunt and possibly obnoxious response in a positive light.
There are a lot of people saying terrible things on the internet, to the point where only the more aggregious ones stand out. Most things will be ignored or forgotten by most people, whether they were good or bad, but I appreciated this post, and you for putting it out there.
I was trying to make a lewdly suggestive comment about vintage balls leaving them hanging. Apparently it wasn't done very well, but it did have unintended and appreciated consequences.
Yi K
Unknown parent • • •Obinice
in reply to GreyEyedGhost • • •Ahh, old hanging balls, gotchya xD
Yeah the medium of text can be tricky to convey meaning sometimes, I'm a pretty sarcastic person (gotta love using humour to cope with every situation, so healthy...) with a very deadpan kinda delivery on a lot of it, so I often find myself wondering if my intent came across well over text. Tricky indeed.
Anyway you're cool, and thanks for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully
Now, I'm going to go back to being drenched in a cold sweat! It seems that's today's COVID symptom roulette wheel choice! 💦☉_☉💦