Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

Bluesky / ATProto lexicon almost was RDF — and would have been if Paul had more time.

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

Bluesky didn't use ActivityPub for 2 reasons —

№1:

Because of the identity issue.

Once you make a choice (of server) you are locked in.

You cannot migrate freely.

(Current Fediverse migration not good enough.)

№2:

The culture on the Fediverse at the time.

There was a culture on the Fediverse of being hostile towards global aggregators.

( @reiver note: AFAICT, this is a very small minority of hyper hostile individuals.)

#ActivityPub #ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

Mentioned MLS (Messaging Layer Security).

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

Bluesky practical decentralization:

• cost reduction — cheaper relays
• AppView / self-hosted Bluesky — partial sync based on follow graph — can we reach $100 per month — build smarter sync engine — indiesky
• improve user-experience
• PLC governance — moving to separate legal entity

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

ActivityPump got renamed to ActivityPub — that was a good rename 🙂

#ATmosphereConf #ActivityPub #Fediverse

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

Social-Networks are very large public spaces.

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

The worst thing we (Bluesky) did to people was request them to understand DNS.

For example — one time we had to explain DNS to Flavor Fav.

🙂

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

"The company is a future adversary."

We tried to build for that.

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

"What if we (Bluesky) did P2P with servers — I'll call that server-to-server."

#ATmosphereConf

Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) mentioned that the new Raspberry Pi 5 has the same computing power as Twitter when it had 5 million users.

#ATmosphereConf #Twitter

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ) on stage now.

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

The 3 big efforts to try to re-decentralize the Web and Internet:

• blockchains <--- most money went here
• P2P
• federation

#ATmosphereConf

Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):

P2P has a lot problems.

For example — Creating a good comment section is extremely difficult if not impossible, with P2P

#ATmosphereConf

Boris Mann ( @boris ) recommended the book:

Rainbows End
by Vernor Vinge

#ATmosphereConf

Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) going from history of Telegram to the Telephone.

( @reiver note: My father was a Telecommunications Engineer. He was in the industry during both when it analog and digital eras. I heard A LOT about the physics, math, and technology of telephone technology. )

#ATmosphereConf #Telegraph #Telephone

Paraphrasing Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ):

You could fix how Mastodon and the Fediverse uses WebFinger if WebFinger could point to multiple profiles.

It doesn't now. But it could.

#ATmosphereConf #FediDev #FediDevs #Fediverse #MastoDev #Mastodon

Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) top priorities:

• moderation tools
• fixing the relay problem
• lexicons
• plus A LOT more

(This was a ATproto specific answer.)

#ATmosphereConf #ATProto #ATProtocol #Bluesky #bsky

Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) quoting someone else:

"Be the media."

#ATmosphereConf

Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) asked who knows the history of the telegraph.

( @reiver note: I do a bit. I learned Morse code as a young child — my father's sister's husband had me learn it.)

#ATmosphereConf #Telegraph

My paraphrase of something Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.s… ) said:

The original idea of WebFinger was to separate your identity from the application and services you use.

Rather that bind then together (as on the Fediverse).

#ATmosphereConf #FediDev #FediDevs #Fediverse #WebFinger

. @darius :

One problem with ActivityPub is that — it doesn't actually say anything about federation.

And, different Fediverse software does it differently.

#ATmosphereConf

. @darius wish-list for Fediverse & ActivityPub:

• DIDs
• equivalent of PDS
• ???

#ATmosphereConf

. @blaine :

Bluesky and Fediverse are going to end up with very, very similar protocols, as they each fix their problems.

They are both already talking about bringing in things from the other.

#ATmosphereConf

. @darius :

Bluesky seems like it is getting an inbox / outbox style architecture — just like the Fediverse.

#ATmosphereConf

. @blaine :

Bluesky's plc.directory/ is just WebFinger [re-implemented].

#ATmosphereConf

@darius

Section 1, first sentence.

Person from stream.place/ talking.

#ATmosphereConf

I mentioned #GreatApe

#ATmosphereConf

. @pfrazee.com mentioning that AWS will pull your account if you do not respond quick enough to copyright claims.

Even when the claims are BS claims from trolls.

Doesn't matter the time of the day or the day or the week.

#ATmosphereConf

In room with @darius talking, for his discussion.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone else mentioned this person who does a deep dive Threads payments to creators:

threads.net/@chescaleigh

#ATmosphereConf

Franchesca Ramsey (@chescaleigh) • Threads – sag mehr

95.621 Follower • 0 Threads • tv writer, producer, actress, designer & lady who sings the leopards song. host of @fixitpod | for biz inquiries pls use franchesca.net. Sieh dir aktuelle Unterhaltungen...

^Threads

Someone said —

Decentralized social-media is also an opportunity to make a better advertising system.

Block bad advertisers. Allow good advertisers.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone pointing out that — even though it is popular to hate cryptocurrencies nowadays — there are some places in the world where a person's only practical option to receive an international payment is cryptocurrencies.

#ATmosphereConf

Using signatures to address deep-fake.

As evidence that, for example, a video actually came from a camera.

#ATmosphereConf

Now spark.social/ being discussed.

Another short-form video for Bluesky.

They have their on PDSes, relay, etc.

Also have their own lexicons.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone said:

The only reason YouTube gave such a good cut of ad revenue to creators is that — back in the day, they had competitors who were giving better cuts.

#ATmosphereConf

Same person:

Focus on the economics of the platform first — make it a viable sustainable platform — to attract a creator.

#ATmosphereConf

Same person —

Some people are making money on Threads.

Viral controversial content seems to make money.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone mentioned:

skylight.social/

Short-form video for Bluesky

#ATmosphereConf

Talking about using Blueskt social-graph to have content on day 1.

So, deal with the chicken-and-the-egg problem — of audience and content.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone asking about maybe there are content creators who don't want their post to go to all of Bluesky.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Remove technical barriers so regular people can use it.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

You don't need 100 people to like you — you just need 10 people to love you. Build for them.

#ATmosphereConf

Moved over to 1 of the 3 unrecorded sessions.

(Will watch the recorded session later. Hopefully other post about the 2 other unrecorded sessions.)

#ATmosphereConf

A discussion about video on ATProto.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) and other build their own Bluesky PDS from scratch.

github.com/blacksky-algorithms…

And, and working on their own relay now.

.

#ATmosphereConf

GitHub - blacksky-algorithms/rsky: An AT Protocol implementation prioritizing community safety and self-governance, written in Rust.

An AT Protocol implementation prioritizing community safety and self-governance, written in Rust. - blacksky-algorithms/rsky

^GitHub

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Build for the community you want to work with.

What others think does not matter — ignore them.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Blacksky is really a number of separate communities grouped together.

(Ex: blackademics.)

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Decentralized Social-Media protocols have horse-less carriage syndrome —

People are trying to build things that look at lot like things in the past.

(But it doesn't have to. It can be something new.)

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) mentioned:

Bobby Lee Rush
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Ru…

#ATmosphereConf

American politician

^{Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)}

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Bluesky more geared towards 1B people sized communities.

Fediverse more geared towards 100K person sized communities.

Nothing in the middle for 1M people sized communities. (Blacksky is there.)

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

People don't want to be just stuck in one community. But also want access to other communities. And have access to the wider world.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) :

Content moderation should be on a per community basis. How do you build tech to enable that?

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) values can be summarized as:

Software as resistance

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ):

CashApp not designed for mutual-aid, but it has been used for it.

A parallel for decentralized social-media, too. Can be used for things it is not designed for.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) mentioned this article:

nytimes.com/2021/12/17/opinion…

#ATmosphereConf

Opinion | What’s Better Than Charity?

Mutual aid fulfills needs, but it also builds stronger, more resilient communities.

^{Tressie McMillan Cottom (The New York Times)}

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) mentioned this article:

deanspade.net/2019/12/04/mutua…

#ATmosphereConf

Someone from the audience talking to @kissane about:

Sometimes, someone or some group who was at one time oppressed, later becomes the oppressor.

How do you go about identifying that, and addressing that in the systems you create.

#ATmosphereConf

. @kissane talked a bit about the history of the Black Panthers (in the U.S.) creating free medical clinics and free schools.

#ATmosphereConf

. @boris talking go @kissane mentioned:

Ronald Coase's theory of the firm.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ) on stage.

#ATmosphereConf

Rudy Fraser ( bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.co… ):

Blacksky is built on #RustLang

#ATmosphereConf

. @kissane notes & citations for her talk at:

erinkissane.com/atconf

(URL won't work at time of posting this, but should work later.)

#ATmosphereConf

Erin Kissane ( @kissane ) on stage via a video feed.

#ATmosphereConf

. @kissane was introduced as someone who is trying to get more software developers involved with journalism.

#ATmosphereConf

Things that affected @kissane 's perspective:

- Covid tracking project
- Fediverse governance research
- "Meta in Myanmar" incident report (Facebook related)

#ATmosphereConf

. @kissane :

"If you only listen to the loudest voices, you are going to miss a lot."

#ATmosphereConf

. @kissane mentioned author James C. Scott.

( @reiver note: I have been a fan of his work. And, I was sad when he recently passed away.)

#ATmosphereConf

Talking to people who made dazzle.fm/

( bsky.app/profile/johnsabath.co… , bsky.app/profile/connerruhl.bs… , bsky.app/profile/attentionshop… )

They are all ex- StabilityAI.

It shows trending topics & articles based on data from the Bluesky firehose relay.

#ATmosphereConf

Dazzle.fm – What's happening on Bluesky

Dazzle highlights trending discussions on Bluesky

^Dazzle

3 simultaneous tracks today. Only 1 recorded.

(A function of how popular the 1st day was.)

#ATmosphereConf

. @boris mentioning @darius fork of Mastodon — hometown.

github.com/hometown-fork/homet…

#ATmosphereConf

GitHub - hometown-fork/hometown: A supported fork of Mastodon that provides local posting and a wider range of content types.

A supported fork of Mastodon that provides local posting and a wider range of content types. - hometown-fork/hometown

^GitHub

Someone pointing out that —

When you have E2EE (end to end encryption) you have to do all the work on the client-side — since the client-side is the only one that can decrypt it.

( @reiver note: that isn't completely true — there are some encryption techniques that can allow certain operations on cyphertext.)

#ATmosphereConf

At the "Big Time Brewery & Alehouse" after-event.

#ATmosphereConf

Someone pointing out that — MLS (Messaging Layer Security) would introduce centralization to Bluesky.

#ATmosphereConf

Some people arguing that Signal should make it so others can integrate them more easily.

So that Bluesky could use them for direct messaging (DMing).

#ATmosphereConf