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Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners


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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

How's Lemmy.cafe? I believe they defederate the Big 3 Tankie instances. Dunno what their downtime or admins are like.
in reply to PugJesus

I have my main alt there. It's pretty good, but there was an issue with the thumbnails that got resolved a few days ago. Also, the instance is much smaller than the two others (64 users per month), so I sometimes have to subscribe to some medium-size communities before nobody did before. Federation can get a bit clunky at times too, and I have to pull myself some posts or comments to "unclog the pipes".

Discuss.online has 140 users per month, sopuli 496

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

It probably depends on what audience you are talking to. Privacy advocates, Anarchists, AI-Imagegen-Fans and digital pirates are probably a good fit for dbzer0, even with hexbear federated, and a LGBT-positive audience would feel at home on blahaj. So while promoting generalist instances per default is a good move, if the subreddit has a well-defined audience, a recommendation for a "specialized" instance might work better.
in reply to A Wild Mimic appears!

Indeed, but usually I promote on /r/RedditAlternatives, and don't have any way to know what the user's interests are.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

join-lemmy needs to have a better interactive flow to select a server. What they have is difficult and slow to maintain and doesn't take into account server stability or newness (new servers are more likely to stop working once the admin discovers they don't like hosting, or they have a terrible mod experience). But the lemmy devs are not interested in either doing things like allowing servers to tag themselves, nor utilize sites like the fediseer which already does that. So we end up with a bad "join" frontpage which people like you end up just avoiding which goes to show how bad things are.

There used to be a very nice interactive lemmy server selection site at one point which guided you based on interest/subinterest as self-tagged in fediseer, but I can't remember the domain anymore :(

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in reply to db0

There used to be a very nice interactive lemmy server selection site at one point which guided you based on interest/subinterest as self-tagged in , but I can’t remember the domain anymore :(


Yes, it rings a bell too but don't remember it either :(

But the lemmy devs are not interested in either doing things like allowing servers to tag themselves


Indeed, that's probably a whole topic altogether. If people want to try working on a better join-lemmy website, that would be great, but it seems like people are already spread too thin.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Yes, it rings a bell too but don't remember it either :(


Ah found it: pangora.social/

Sadly it's gone offline. sigh

in reply to db0

@Ategon@programming.dev how come you took it down?
in reply to db0

Nobody reported it as down to me, I can bring it back up

Been working on some other projects recently so havent really looked at that site much

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in reply to Ategon

Ah, well it's down 😅 maybe it could be useful in onboarding users.
in reply to db0

@Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com its's up again. What do you think about using that to advertise lemmy?
in reply to Ategon

Do you need to make it refresh or something? it still reports lemmy.dbzer0.com as being on 0.19.5
in reply to db0

As you stated in the other comment, let's refresh data before using it, and check if all the recommended instances are still around
in reply to db0

Ah yeah I need to refresh the data, ill do that later
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I am not entirely sure how appropriate my reply is since you name lemmy specifically, but since one can subscribe to particular topics in piefed, I am leaning towards it more than lemmy as an alternative to reddit.
in reply to astro_ray

Once Piefed will get Thunder as well as an iOS app, it will become an alternative. That's the main blocker I have now recommending it. Besides that, it's a quite good Lemmy alternative.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Re: Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners


@blaze@feddit.org Thunder is written using Flutter / Dart - meaning that it's cross-platform. I've compiled the version for PieFed for windows, linux and macos, so as long as I'm able to get it working for Android, it should also work for iOS. I'll need to be someone else who does though, 'cos my mac is too old, and I don't have an iphone.

Bonus screenshot:

in reply to freamon

Amazing! So what, the Piefed API is already there? I thought that was still ongoing
in reply to astro_ray

As the developer himself states, and me as someone who uses it as my primary daily driver concurs, it is not quite ready yet. e.g. a good fraction of the Notifications I receive end up being dead links to posts that don't exist anymore, or to users that I have blocked, etc. Also user tagging is not implemented yet and searching often does not retrieve things that you can find much more easily using Lemmy, plus tools for moderation of remote communities remain very primitive.

Soon now, it will be user-friendly enough to recommend to people, but for now it's primarily for beta testing the software and those of us prepared to use an early adopter mindset when using it - e.g. switch to a Lemmy alt to do things that PieFed cannot yet.

Though more features get added seemingly weekly or at least monthly, it's so exciting to see! I love the new inline comment feature, though inconsistently applied e.g. not yet available for edits. But it's coming!

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

in reply to gt24

To give a counterpoint, the experience on LW in summer 2023 was horrible, due to the constant DDoS attacks on the infrastructure.

Discuss.online has a status page: status.discuss.online/

Sopuli.xyz is very stable, and transparent about how they operate: sopuli.xyz/post/13531

A few other instances have status pages:
- status.lemm.ee/
- lemmy-meter.info/d/GeoFE5WIz/i…
- status.lemmy.zip/status/lemmy

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Thanks for the information!

I'm not sure if the status pages accurately show federation issues though (not federating or well behind). I'm not sure if they can easily show that information either.

in reply to gt24

Lemm.ee definitely does:

If people want to have a better overview, they can use this dashboard: grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0…

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

That second link is helpful. For instance, it shows an server which I thought was ran well ( startrek.website ) being about 1 million activities behind in content from Lemmy.world

grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0…

This means that the technology community here looks much different there. Here there are comments to our submissions. Shown there, the submissions seem to have no comments.

lemmy.world/c/technology

startrek.website/c/technology@…

If a person there didn't know better, they may think that Lemmy doesn't have as much activity as it actually does.

in reply to gt24

Indeed. There's also the issue of LW being so large that other instances can have issues to keep with its activities. That has been fixed in 0.19.6, but LW hasn't updated yet.
in reply to gt24

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

There is no ideal generalist instance. If you open the top 20 instances

[proceeds to list pretty much all good instances, and complains about hexbear]


...I'm curious, what is your definition of "generalist"? Because I suspect it involves "not punching nazis".

in reply to lambalicious

“generalist”


Something that is not linked to a country, a theme or a demographic

Non-generalist:
- lemmy.ca, feddit.org, programming.dev, blahaj, etc.

Generalist:
- lemm.ee
- sopuli.xyz
- discuss.online

Not sure what you meant with "not punching nazis"

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I think they're calling you a liberal because you used federation with HB and grad as a negative criterion for your list.
in reply to Walk_blesseD

We could do a poll to see how people feel about those two instances, but the vast majority of posts on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com involving them show some clear power tripping

Note that LW can be sujected to the same criticism

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Good reasoning all 'round! Although Lemmy.ca doesn't require you to be Canadian, so would be a decent recommendation for any NA user. As long as they don't mind some more Canada posting in the Local feed.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Just a thought I’m having, but rather than just spamming Reddit with Lemmy links maybe we should promote it more on Linux type areas, at least people coming from there will find their niche content here.
in reply to twinnie

Isn't every Linux user aware of Lemmy by now? I've seen a few posts about it on a few Linux forums during the API fiasco
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

in reply to Lazycog

Hello,

Thank you for your comment!

I joined reddit some time around 2015 and it was not exactly the most welcoming experience with the type of content you see by default either.


I think the main issue here is that Reddit in 2015 didn't have to compete with modern Reddit. Nowadays, you create a Reddit account, you get a few subs suggested depending on your interest and your geodefault, so that's enough to give you a first tailored experience without being first drown into All content.

We can't really replicate that on Lemmy (hopefully one day we will), so the best we have is what I listed above: tell people they should focus on laid back communities.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

That is interesting, I didn't know that about modern reddit.

And I agree I hope that we do get something like that. I've been thinking for a while that merging lemmyverse.net/communities with instance specific account creation would be really cool, but it has just been a passing thought without much further thinking. I always recommend that link to new people on lemmy (also put it on my account description). But sadly it doesn't have recommendations based on interests / geolocation, Although it does let you filter accessible communities based on your instance, but it could possible also have a tool "choose an instance for me based on my location / interests".

in reply to Lazycog

have a tool “choose an instance for me based on my location / interests”.


join-lemmy.org/ kind of does that, but the results can be a bit off. I just tried "Technology", and the first result was lemmy.today, which is fine, but doesn't defederate anything, so maybe not the best choice for a new joiner.

"Gaming" gave sub.wetshaving.social/ as the first result, not sure it's the best recommendation.

Edit: defederate, not federate

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Yeah... I understand that we need to spread out more but honestly I think join-lemmy.org should not be the first stop for someone new to lemmy seeing the results you are getting. I agree with you Blaze, point them directly to an instance or an app.

Found this pretty cool that on the voyager for lemmy test web app you can specify the local feed of an instance: vger.app/posts/lemm.ee/local - although not sure if that is the best way to "market" lemmy, the local feed of lemm.ee actually looked nice.

in reply to Lazycog

I instance-hopped a couple of times because I joined smaller instances (the recommendation everyone gives you) that then disappeared / were abandoned by the admin.


I already had this problem on PeerTube years earlier, so I played it safe with a bigger instance, at least for a main account (I also had one on gtio.io which was gone before the reddit API exodus). This is absolutely a real issue with people recommending small instances, but at the same time, it's necessary to avoid recommending just one which gets overwhelmed and disables new accounts.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Promote Mbin. The only bad thing it has going for it is that it cannot block entire instances, which is odd because one would think blocking domains would do this. It also has a number of pet peeves, but none I've found to be as bad.

Or just link to this: jointhefediverse.net/

in reply to TheObviousSolution

jointhefediverse.net/


That's a good resource for people wanting to learn how it works behind the scenes. Most people don't want that, they just want a link to click and see what the platform looks like.

The one issue with Mbin is the lack of mobile apps. I know there is !interstellar@kbin.earth, but Lemmy really is the best in that regard.

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in reply to DavidGarcia

And then only with deeper knowledge of how the Fediverse functions under the hood - like how "instances" relate to "communities" and specific moderator names, especially when working from a remote account on a different instance than the community structure... Hey, where are you going? 😯
in reply to OpenStars

let's just rebrand instances to superleddits and communities to subleddits 🤣
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I think one of the biggest barriers of the fediverse is decision paralysis.

So stop looking around! Go to lemmy.world/ and join :)

If you want to expend extra time, there are more servers and you can join a different one, if you are undecisive join the one above :)

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in reply to 4Robato

Lemmy.world is known to be slow in some areas due to its size
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Make the notion of different servers only visible to power users.
It has an negative effect on tech illiterate gen z people who assume everything is as easy as signing up somewhere and getting guided by tbe algorithm.

Also the discovery of content needs to somehow be possible to make it all come together in one feed without having to go through different servers. I think maybe it gives the impression that users are missing out on content, while on platforms like Reddit everything is quite "centralised" (ow no xD).

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in reply to Lvo

In the past I used to only link to one instance (sopuli.xyz), but since the whole jury nullification story I thought it would be better to have both a USA and Europe servers.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Content is King. You can have a good chunk of people that manage to go through the UX issues, they will still leave if they don't find what they want. The mirror bots (alien.top, lemmit.online) were meant to help with that, but the people here would rather complain about the post volume instead of learning how to follow only the subscribed communities.

Painless onboarding is second. Fediverser is meant to help with that, but no other admin has shown interest in adopting it.

A clear way to find-what-goes-where is third. My proposal to separate user/local instances from topic-based instances has been rejected here, even after I offered to put them under the governance of a wider admin group.

Now, I'm tired of this culture and small thinking. Fine if you want to be proselytizing and convincing people "at retail", but this will not be nearly as impactful if we had a dozen people who had the courage to setup a Lemmy instance with Fediverser.

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in reply to rglullis

in reply to A Wild Mimic appears!

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in reply to rglullis

This is booooooring. So boring.

If you are part of 5%


And yet it's the point. If you just make Lemmy yet another place for the commercialized majority, all that results in is yet another cicle of people who care getting pushed out and have to create a new platform elsewhere. Wasted effort. Rinse and repeat.

You want the web to be free? Then you have to guard against the effects that make it unfree, one of which is the firehose of users who only have a mentality of "consoom" and who think "the internet" is the tiktok button on their smartphone.

in reply to lambalicious

Sorry, I reject the premise. The cartoon does not make sense in a decentralized/distributed system.

Lemmy/Mastodon/"The Fediverse" are not isolated places, but an ecosystem that can sustain many different niches.

A Lemmy community is a place. A topic-focused instance is a place. The minority here shouldn't be worried about any tyranny from the majority because they can always have their boundaries established and they can choose how permeable they are.

in reply to rglullis

in reply to A Wild Mimic appears!

in reply to A Wild Mimic appears!

A way of combining communities into “multilemmys” would be great.


Don't mbin already have this?

in reply to rglullis

no other admin has shown interest in adopting it.


PieFed solves all of that. It isn't quite ready for the non-technical masses from Reddit, but those particular issues at least it does solve.

I kinda want to recommend people to simply visit piefed.social/ and see what will eventually become available as a standard Threadiverse software suite just like Lemmy and Mbin.

in reply to OpenStars

Sorry, what about PieFed specifically solves the issues?

  • Does it allow people to sign up to the instance directly from their Reddit credentials?
  • Does it provide a mapping between Fediverse communities and subreddits, so that when people sign up they are automatically subscribed to their groups of interest?
  • Does it provide a separation between topic instances and user instances?

I sincerely don't see how piefed relates to Fediverser at all...

in reply to rglullis

Re: Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners


@rglullis@communick.news No, I don't there's any overlap between PieFed and Fediverser either. The potential of Fediverser seems like it got cut off at the knees by how widely defederated alien.top is.
in reply to rglullis

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in reply to OpenStars

The onboarding by topics is good, okay. For someone that is coming from Reddit, it would be even better if the the subscription was automatic and without having to think about it.

The other two, I think they improve the tooling a bit compared to Lemmy but they do not solve the problem of the Fediverse: content is still limited outside of the news/politics and that Federation makes it confusing to give a reference point when looking for content.

But overall, I think we keep making the mistake of building decentralized social media software focused on the server, replicating the corporate sites. We should be thinking about "switching instances", but simply of switching/improving clients.

in reply to rglullis

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Single topic forums are still doing ok out there on the wider Internet. Create more well moderated, single-topic, federated forums, and then promote those specifically to users who care about those topics.

Don't sell Lemmy to end users. Lemmy is a solution for admins. Sell the specific websites to end users.

in reply to Kichae

Difficult to sell a forum to people where most mods on Reddit are going to remove posts mentioning it: lemmy.ca/post/37657096

People on specific forums are probably happy where they are and aren't going to switch from their established forums. The strength of Reddit and Lemmy is to be able to have several forums accessible from the main site.

The last place that's left is /r/RedditAlternatives, where you just have people who want, well, a Reddit alternatives, and they usually don't mention their preferences.

But I agree with you to an extend, !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a good example of focused forum. It's a bit unique on Lemmy unfortunately.

in reply to Kichae

Echoing this, with some slight adjustments:

Promote the specific sites/communities to people, and on sites that permit it, share links back to specific posts/comments that you found interesting/amusing/etc. from said sites/communities.

Reddit got popular off the back of changes to Digg and people mentioning/sharing stuff from Reddit there. I'd imagine TikTok also grew in popularity from people sharing stuff from it on other major platforms like Instagram/YouTube/Snapchat/Twitter, much as now RedNote's growing in popularity from people mentioning it on TikTok and other platforms.

in reply to ElectroVagrant

sites that permit it


So Bluesky nowadays, based on Meta and Facebook recent removal of Pixel fed and Lemmy mentions

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Well, also maybe Reddit, unless they're also removing/burying other social sites. Besides that, any messaging services one may use to chat with friends or others.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Honestly, there needs to be a setting for lemmy admins to specify the default comms displayed to not-logged and new users. Just the firehose of the /all or local is not particularly attractive to most people.

EDIT: Went ahead and opened a feature request

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Not really. That just hides it from /all. Just because not want new users to get dumped into /c/politics, or /c/slop, doesn't mean I want to hide their existence from everyone.
in reply to db0

The hard part is that for some people, News and Politics is actually what they are looking for. Others want only Memes and never not that, while still others want content types like Gaming or Arts and Crafts, etc.

So when Categories of Communities and/or Topic areas is implemented, this issue will be solved, but until then these are merely a best guess about what an "average" user desires to see, rather than allowing them to choose their own experience.

in reply to OpenStars

Sure. The suggestion I did for the devs is just to have another tab "suggested" which will be a feed of the preselected comms from the admins. Anyone can easily switch away from it
in reply to db0

"Curated" would be a better term I think. Suggested feels like it's personalised while it isn't.
in reply to db0

This is what I've been saying. I think it should go even further and give admins a default block list of users.

A lot of folks talk about how Lemmy became useable after they spent hours (or sometimes a month) blocking the right communities and users, but most social media users don't want to work that hard, they just want to start doomscrolling.

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in reply to Aa!

give admins a default block list of users.


Usually obvious trolls are banned on their instance, so for everyone. There is also synchronization between admins to ban people on instances that admins can't be contacted

in reply to Aa!

Already suggested

github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu…

github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu…

in reply to db0

Agree. I'm of the opinion that the default view for guests should be Local, Scaled. Or alternatively, Local, Popular. But never All, and certainly not mixed with Active.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Just my opinion:
No need to focus on reddit. The world is not focused by that platform, and there are other people on the Internet.

To attract an audience, you need exactly to attract an audience. Add indexing by search engines, Add SEO optimization for lemmy-ui, etc. People can find interesting instances exactly in google search after that without any provisioning. That's why web search engines be created.

in reply to nitrolife

Lemmy is a very similar platform to Reddit, it makes sense to target those people.

web search engines


The sad thing is that search engines aren't really at the best at the moment, and with Google and Reddit deal, it's not like they are going to promote alternatives forums that much.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Google and Reddit deal, it's not like they are going to promote alternatives forums that much


There is more than one search engine in the sea.

And that would be an argument if it weren't for a completely broken CEO headers in the web interface. I can't attach a screenshot because I changed the web in my copy to the Photon. In general, there are tons of SEO mistakes. At least according to Yandex Webmaster page.

UPD:
for example api don't have robots.txt method. As result I generate new pages lists for best search optimization with self written script...

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I’m for the sink or swim mentality. Point them here and if they come up with an excuse to not be here then they probably weren’t going to be a good contributor anyway.

I’m fine with being selective. There is no reason we need 1M+ MAU for the sake of the network, we aren’t trying to turn a profit

in reply to TORFdot0

There is no reason we need 1M+ MAU for the sake of the network, we aren’t trying to turn a profit


There's also no reason a topic as popular as TV shows relies on 3 posters to keep the main community active: !showsandmovies@lemm.ee

We don't need to reach 1M MAU, but having 100k would already be a nice improvement

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I get the frustration with not having a lot of active posters in a community despite diligence in posting and promotion on !newcommunities@lemmy.world. I’ve had the same frustration trying to operate !fantasyfootball@lemmy.world the last two seasons. I am not going to keep it up this offseason
in reply to TORFdot0

Sorry to hear. How are the NFL communities doing on Lemmy in general? I'm a bit active on !football@lemmy.world (the other one), it's moderately active but still niche.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I don’t know if @GreenEngineering3475@lemmy.world has a bot that automatically posts news from a feed or is just a diligent poster but he is always posting relevant news to the NFL community.

For college football, @g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world and @ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social do a great job modding and make sure that community has content.

The CFB community has really active game threads and even a community poll, the NFL community is more for news but it’s very helpful for me to follow the news in the league and most posts get at least a few comments.

in reply to TORFdot0

That's nice. About fantasy football, did you promote in on the other NFL communities? I guess it's too much of a niche topic. I had some success with fantasy football for the Euro 2024, but that was a continent-wide competition, not a regular season.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I’ve promoted it and it has plenty of subscribers, it just doesn’t have a lot of regular activity. It’s not my community anyway, I’ve just been trying to steward it the last two seasons. I think it’s more just become more of a place to chat about fantasy football than an active place ask for and give advice for fantasy football. I’m fine with that as well.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

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in reply to Secret Music

Makes me think (or hope) that there’s a lot of people like me wishing there was more activity in these areas.


If you have a topic you would like to talk about, feel free to post about it in !fedigrow@lemm.ee. Not sure we have enough people for Sonic, but we can try.

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Sorry, typo, I meant "defederate". Lemmy.today indeed shows you everything.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Re: Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners


Oh, yeah. It's still ongoing. You can track the progress at codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/src/b… if you like. At the bottom of that page, things with a 'Stage 1' are what's left to do.

The remaining stuff is mostly to do with chat / notifications. Once done, a basic app could be released, and then improved to include stuff that's missing (things like uploading an image to post or a comment, and viewing reports)

EDIT: sorry, this was meant to be a reply to another comment. Still getting the hang of NodeBB. Now will this edit work ...

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

The thing I hate worst about Lemmy is that a lot of people are dickheads about their opinion, which often is barely different from the persons' opinions you see them aggressively shitting on. In other cases the opinions are pretty different but start with the same basic premise, yet some users see no common ground at all. It's become really disheartening honestly. There are probably more than 30 users like that which I had to block for my own sanity
in reply to TrickDacy

It's human nature. Mods can help with that, so it's also community dependent.
in reply to TrickDacy

This is the twitter and reddit ethos. Everyone is Super Smart and You Are Wrong Ha Ha.

On reddit you can find smaller communities where people are more normal and it's closer to having a discussion at a bar than it is going on to /r/politics or something.

People DEFINITELY don't like showing up at a new place and posting stuff and people piling on with snark and stuff.

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

The best promotion is to be awesome.

>Lemmy, is awesome (y/n)?: _y

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

This is the best platform for constant live updates about what the people you don't like are up to. Then there's articles about everything that's wrong in the world and also some memes - mostly political.
in reply to Free_Opinions

selection of 20 non-political,tech,memes communities: feddit.uk/post/22376629
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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

in reply to lambalicious

The fact that they (or you) complain about the “All” timeline having the same stuff in all servers shows they have no idea what they’re talking about: that’s the entire point of an All feed! (plusminus stuff like defederation). It would make more sense to compare the Local feed of instances, IMO.


The complaint is not about the All timeline being the same everywhere. The complaint is that most of the All feed is US politics, a topic which is already massively dominant on Reddit. Some people are looking at alternatives because they want to avoid that. If it's the same, why bother changing and not stay on Reddit?

I don’t understand why is that not the default for guests / visitors.


Good point, could be something that could be change by admins.

The people who came first came for very specific reasons and have particulars to talk about.


Well, that's not the case for everyone. A lot of people came here because they wanted third party apps on Reddit.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

The complaint is that most of the All feed is US politics, a topic which is already massively dominant on Reddit. Some people are looking at alternatives because they want to avoid that. If it’s the same, why bother changing and not stay on Reddit?


Well then the key is to not show the All feed. That feed, by its very design, is about showing the overview of what is going about "the known fedi", and we can't control what other people talk about, fedi or otherwise. If he current news is Luigi, exploded Starlink launches and double Nazi salutes, that's what's going to be talked about - and the presence of generalist instances is going to amplify that effect. Unless you have enough cats, enough Linux, or enough ich_iel.

A lot of people came here because they wanted third party apps on Reddit.


Well then they were told wrong: here it's not about developing for Reddit. In fact, when someone tried to act on trying to bring people from Reddit or emulating "third party app" by bringing in the threads from Reddit, it was the lemmings who complained (even if rightfully so).

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Sounds like we're filtering out the exact type of people I would never want to come from Reddit. Dunno why y'all want them.
in reply to thoro

I generally try to avoid political shit here myself, it's too depressing and I'm not sure reddit-like forums is really a good format for that.

But for those who are out there posting cybertruck memes, thanks for scaring away the MAGAs for the rest of us. It is much appreciated.

in reply to thoro

Everyone else is already here or is not interested in text-based forums
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I'm sure there are fine people on Reddit who don't know about Lemmy, but your quoted examples consist mostly of certain type of faux-"apolitical" person and that's where the solutioning is stemming from.

I don't think bringing the average default sub Redditor over would be a net positive for the platform.

in reply to thoro

because the only reason I still use Reddit is to interact with adults in my profession from around the world with diverse backgrounds and viewpoints and with good hearts but limited tolerance for spending time learning obscure tech

so anything to reduce the barrier of entry for those people is one less reason to ever use Reddit again. that's a win in my book. if you want to stick to your ML communities y, that's your right. but are you really going to change the world by shutting everyone out?

in reply to TimewornTraveler

No one is going to change the world by posting. Very few people have the time or energy to discuss or debate every day. I'd rather just not deal with an entire host of opinions and takes that I already deal with every day in real life.

What I've learned over my time using sites like Digg and Reddit is that allowing conservative views to fester and form their communities on a platform allows them to organize and grow and seep into other "non political" spaces. The Donald, gamergate, transphobia, general reaction, whatever.

And the "anti-politics" enlightened centrist types are enablers that allow this.

If people come here and go "wow they sure are critical of Israel, America, Trump, and billionaires. I hate this", then they're self selecting themselves from joining and I just don't think that's a loss.

The measurement of a platform to me is the quality of the users, not the quantity.

in reply to thoro

“non political” spaces.

The Donald


Was it really considered non-political? Not that familiar with that sub history

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

No. My point was that as Reddit became more mainstream, it became more conservative. As it became more conservative, more conservative spaces were created like the Donald and gamergate subs. And people and ideas from those spaces ended up seeping into other "non political" subs, like technology, gaming, movies, etc.

The amount of xenophobia, transphobia, anti-feminism, etc. I saw in general purpose subs grew post Digg migration, especially in gamer subs as gamergate happened in 2014.

Conservatism and centrist liberalism are the dominant political beliefs in the US, UK, and seemingly most of Europe too. Those voices will outnumber and browbeat leftist voices over time if they join an online platform en masse, in my experience.

in reply to thoro

I see where you come from, but I would say that this would happen when Lemmy gets really mainstream, like let's say 500k or 1 million users.

I would just like to reach 100k or 200k so that it feels less like if 25 people stop posting the whole platform dies.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Prevent opinion downvoting by disabling downvotes globally.

50 upvotes, 90 downvotes, that's not problematic at all, but there is the huge total score of -40 in this case that could lead to the deletion of the post or comment.

By the way: My instance is one of the few with downvotes disabled. So, if you want to give me feedback on this, I can only see comments...

Opinion downvoting was the most toxic feature of Reddit and led to perfect echo chambers. We should have left it there.

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in reply to lemmydividebyzero

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I've noticed that people forgot how long ago the Reddit blackout was (about 19 months ago?), and Lemmy has improved a lot since then. Back then Lemmy was like pre-alpha, super buggy, and servers were very unstable. And we have way more 3rd party apps/frontends now.

old.reddit.com/r/technology/co…

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in reply to Die4Ever

I still remember when federation was barely working. We've made good progress since then
in reply to Die4Ever

Also, why not mentioning one instance when making that comment?
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

discuss.online/c/patientgamers


This link doesn't work. There's only 3 communities for patientgamers: world, shitjustworks, and ml

lemmyverse.net/communities?que…

in reply to Die4Ever

It's SJW, I'll edit.

Fixed

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in reply to ericjmorey

Re: Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners


@ericjmorey@discuss.online OP answered here: feddit.org/comment/4286281 (the lack of mobile apps, was the answer)


Once Piefed will get Thunder as well as an iOS app, it will become an alternative. That's the main blocker I have now recommending it. Besides that, it's a quite good Lemmy alternative.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Yep, lemmy definitely has a problem with too much politics.

I propose that no post should include the head or face of any politician. Seeing a politician typically ruins your day. Best to either keep politics abstract (memes) or not do that at all.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

An official Android and iOS app called "Lemmy". If you wanna go big, you need the mobile platform.
in reply to Meldrik

lemmyapps.com/
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

When you search for "Reddit" in the app store and it also shows an app for Lemmy, we are getting there.
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Two thoughts:
- I'm subscribed to 160 communities, most very small, but see interesting stuff due to the Scaled option - also deliberately avoid the big news communities. Evidently, it takes time to join 160 small cs, so to get started it could be handy to have an all/local except list, and remove the biggest news /memes unless people tick a box saying they like such. Or make an algorithm that prioritises stuff related to what I upvote (which is how other social sites seem to get people started - e.g. i just tried rednote and it quickly learned i like mountains and trains) - but i guess that's hard to implement as each instance would need to work out 'related to'.
- 2nd point - there are other user-interfaces - I'm using Alexandrite which has a better layout than lemmy default, but how to make this easier (instructions suggest docker, how many casual users will do that ...)?
in reply to Blaze (he/him)

A thought that just hit me in the shower.

I don't feel like lemmy is too small. It quite comfortably fills all my lazing on aggregator time without getting stale. The thing is, like many here, I'm a libertarian leftist politics nerd that's into linux and self hosting.

That description describes a sizeable chunk of this project's userbase so enough content is being posted enough to saturate the feed.

If you want the project to expand into other niches, you will have to post into the void about whatever you're into. Seed forums with TV shows or photography or hiking or warhammer or whatever you're into and encourage others to do the same.

All forums are dead at first but if you want people to come and talk about pottery, you're going to have to make that forum cozy before it gets enough interaction to become self sustaining.

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

The youngest couple generations don't really do writing (or reading) they watch videos to learn things. Pixelfed.org just pushed Lemmy onto fourth place.

Promotion of Lemmy should be to millennials and older, say.

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in reply to Blaze (he/him)

I’m very new to the fediverse but I am trying to learn what exactly I am doing. I joined lemmy through a link my relative sent me and somehow I did not get to select an instance, it seemingly auto-assigned me to lemmy.cafe. Which, tbh it’s working out I think, but what did I do for this to have happened? I’m also on pixelfed and am awaiting an email from loops. Meta is too frightening to stay, I deleted TikTok and Reddit. I just long for the community I felt in those places.
in reply to Ze_Rosie_Ro

hi! i also am on the lemmy.cafe instance :) there’s not many of us but it’s very chill

as for what you did to have happened, your relative may have just sent you a link to lemmy.cafe?

that’s the cool part of fediverse: you technically don’t “join the fediverse” in the same way you don’t “join email.” Rather, you signed up for an account on a single server that can communicate with all the communities hosted between all the different servers. It’s kind of like how you might choose to make an account on outlook.com versus gmail.com—and you visit the site to go there.

in reply to Ze_Rosie_Ro

I joined lemmy through a link my relative sent me and somehow I did not get to select an instance, it seemingly auto-assigned me to lemmy.cafe.


Like spujb said, my guess is the link was directly to lemmy.cafe.

If you want to quickly browse around different instances, there's join-lemmy.org/, which some people have said they avoided because they don't want people joining the politically-stricter instances as a first impression. So I'd recommend settling in for a week on .cafe to get an idea of how this works, before considering if you're having no problems with .cafe or if you'd like to explore other options. For example, if they have blocked any communities on other instances which you're interested in (I don't know if this is the case).

in reply to Ze_Rosie_Ro

I created Quiblr which acts as a client for all Lemmy servers. I've tried to remove some of the friction that comes with the Fediverse (including the sign up).

Check it out and let me know what you think. It sounds like you're exactly the kind of user I built Quiblr for (i.e. folks who are familiar with big tech social media and are not familiar with the fediverse)

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in reply to Ze_Rosie_Ro

Hello,

A few pointers for you :
- lemmy.cafe/post/11539890 a list of 20 general interest communities
- !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca
- lemmyapps.com/

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

To be fair, you can’t say they’re wrong.


Most of them are. Some of them are even plain old factually wrong, not just condescending or exaggerating.

It's important to understand that many of these instances were raised by people who didn't like reddit's widespread US-defaultism (including people claiming reddit is left-of-center because it swings Democrat) and its tolerance of bigots and trolls. Now if someone wants to set up their own instances to clone reddit and keep all the bad parts, sure, all we can really do is ignore them or get ignored by them. But when those people complain that this is "a bunch of 14 year olds" with "vote bots" or a "political echo chamber", that's just plain old ignorant, or shocked that they're suddenly in a place with a different culture and struggling to believe it's mostly just normal nerdy people like reddit is.

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

Unfortunately, everyone of your quoted feedback is spot on. Lemmy got the worst of reddit's political echo chamber combined with the "I am so smart" crowd. To make Lemmy barely tolerable, I've had to filter far too many words and block far too many communities. Most people aren't going to jump through hoops to make a platform usable.