Maybe Lemmy can forcibly invent a new term for "ricing". (Good faith pls)
I'd learned about this last week, and this stuff is a bunch of Wikipedia searches so forgive me if I miss anything :]
Similar to git master and whitelist/blacklist having addressed racist origins, I've just learned that "ricing" -- i.e. way-far-from-default, colorfully souped-up *nix customizations -- came from a derogatory word for Asian "riced out" cars.
::: spoiler (click to enlarge spot where I came to learn about this)
Example in the lemmy.ml/c/linux community.
The linked Wikipedia article doesn't list *nix ricing specifically, but it's probably not a far reach -- for example, tech's master-slave came from cars too.
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Now I'm not here to start a debate on whether the term itself is bad. The arguments are done to death and predictable (old thread~hope~ ~I~ ~can~ ~link~ ~here~). Rather, I posit that we could probably invent a new term if we forced it hard enough.
For example, 4chan forcibly invented the use of the ok hand for "white power", as a collective prank (Wikipedia).
::: spoiler Further, Tumblr invented 'then beg' as an insult response to 'I beg your pardon/to differ'. (click to enlarge)
Based on Pukicho.
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So why can't Lemmy invent something too?
::: spoiler Here are some earlier takes. (click to enlarge for source, but they are listed below anyway)
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I surmise it has to be (1) somewhat unique and (2) short and nounable/verbable.
- Customization doesn't fit -- it's too broad. Changing the wallpaper is a customization -- diagonalizing your screen is a rice (term to be replaced...).
- Bespoke doesn't fit either. That's for a duct-tape script you hack together.
- Pimping out... is not a good alternative. It preexists^(citation^ ^needed?)^ and has inertia but it's not any better.
- Souping up... doesn't roll off the tongue so much. But it's food-related (and thus not far from "rice"). Though I can't see myself saying "Yo, check out this epic soup."
Brainstorming welcome :P
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in reply to Ji Fu (Domestic Terrorist) • • •The old thread about it covers both sides of the coin.
Basically, "ricing" insulted weird Asian car customizations -> "ricing" became a more generic "weird" customization term (this is the most famous transitive example I can think of) -> ricing's origin was forgotten by a decent amount of people. (I mentioned it in the first spoilered text)
But I'd like to keep the focus on yoloing a term out of nowhere :D
pejorative term for a Japanese-manufactured motor vehicle
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Edit: aparently it has chinese origins about modding cars so it is racist (?).
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in reply to catloaf • • •No, Gentoo is alive! I can catch up to upstream Firefox's LTO+Clang+PGO optimizations and use my own version of Debian alternatives and save 3MB by removing iso9660 support from REFind!
It seems pretty alive to me though. 5/25 of the month-top-posts in r/unixporn have it in the title, and I'm sure more are present in the comments. And a lot of YT videos on it still mention it.
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in reply to Zangoose • • •I dotted up my dwm install?
Its kind of verbable :p
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in reply to Zangoose • • •nasi_goreng
in reply to fool • • •Here I am, an Asian, reclaim it to be neutral meaning. I will still use ricing.
Go check any English Asia Linux Group, especially on YouTube and Facebook Group, people are using ricing neutrally.
Language change with time, and making it neutral is totally fine and okay.
What you're doing here is just yet another instance of Westerner forcing "correct English," not realizing English is a global language and can develop independently outside US, Canada, or Europe.
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in reply to john89 • • •lol even funnier that this western-centric Lemmy removed my comment about ricing, while actual Linux community CJK countries or English Asia does not recognize it as a slur and use ricing neutrally. Basically reclaims it.
White knight syndrome so much.
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Unknown parent • • •Personally I don't feel either way about this stuff being racist or not. I'm an Asian and I am completely unaffected. But I do think that some people are, and it'd probably be nice to help those people vs. ignoring them.
For git master specifically, it was based off of a foggy memory of something in my RSS feed, and I was just pointing out that it was something that some companies addressed.
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in reply to fool • • •I removed this because it has nothing to do with linux specifically, and as expected, it brought out a lot of people defending the use of this historically racist term, and /asablackman'ing it.
I've reinstated it and removed the offending comments for now.
Also I don't know why this needs a discussion at all. There's hundreds of words in english for something that looks good, and you can be more specific about it : snazzy, sleek, cool, streamlined, nifty, retro
AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Dessalines • • •Yeah but it doesn't affect me and I'm fine with using a racist term because I choose not to think about it. That should make it fine for everyone.
I'm not racist I'm just so tired of all this anti-racist stuff @john89@lemmy.ca
fl42v
in reply to Dessalines • • •In one of which an Asian dude literally says it's not used as a derogatory anymore. Talk about being offended for others
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ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
in reply to fl42v • • •It's not like black people using the N-word, it's like white people using the n-word because a stranger on the internet said it's ok.
You don't think them casually dropping a slur might invalidate their opinion on whether a different word is a slur? Fucking LLM-ass logic right there.
fl42v
in reply to ProfessorOwl_PhD [any] • • •The "r-word" in question refers to the being food discussed (although it's not really a discussion, given we have the correct opinion and "your comment is getting deleted" opinion) in the post, since we're apparently deleting comments for using it now. Hence the quotation marks.
As for the 1st paragraph, (a) i'm arguing it's nowhere like using the n-word at all, and (b) it was said by the Asian dude, so I don't see how so.
ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
in reply to fl42v • • •Are you telling me that you have so little understanding of slurs and their use that you think people are getting banned for saying using the word rice? You cannot be serious. How dare you think you have the intelligence to hold an opinion.
I know what you're arguing you fucking dunce, I just told you you're wrong. There are plenty of slurs that aren't as bad as the n-word, you're not allowed to use any of them. And b) doesn't matter. You don't use the n-word even if a black person "gives you permission", because that makes you a fucking racist.
fl42v
in reply to ProfessorOwl_PhD [any] • • •I'm telling you the post explicitly asked about opinions, and the "wrong" ones that used the "r-word" happened to be blocked, and there is a comment from another mod that explicitly tells they'll remove stuff using that. Although it's a reasonably short comment that's easily blocked from view with a medium-sized justice boner, so it's understandable you've missed it.
Although, you're somewhat right, the meaning of a slur was a bit off in my vocabulary. I'd still argue it isn't one in context ('cause it neither refers to a person nor is it derogatory in its current form)... However, I'd also like to play along and give you folks another (and, arguably, a more worthy) which hunt target -- chinesium. You know, currently a derogatory, currently refers to a particular nation, so...
ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
in reply to fl42v • • •I'm sure you can find enough examples of the word rice, ricing, and ricer to put two and two together and realise the "r-word" isn't what got them blocked.
No it doesn't, because that hasn't happened.
Are you really not able to put together how transferring a term used to deride body modifications (using ethnic associations) to UI modifications is derogatory? Do you think it magically lost context somewhere along the way, the history of the term just disappearing into the aether?
Stop trying to worm out of this you wretched little shit. Defend using that on the site and you'll also get your comments removed, but we're talking about your racism right now.
fl42v
in reply to ProfessorOwl_PhD [any] • • •Allrighty, so here's the comment: lemmy.ml/comment/16077970
Granted, not exactly how I phrased it at times, but the gist still stands.
Citation needed, as they say. I only saw car bodies being modded.
Bold of you to assume I have smth against groups of ppl based on their race because I'm not into your* guilt complex about your* ancestors inventing X phrases and abusing Y groups of ppl.
Not trying to "worm out", and still stand on the form being inferior to the meaning; just pointing out a commonly used coinword with the exact meaning ppl are looking for, 'cause at this point I'm inclined to see the world freeze.
* not necessarily yours in particular, just an assumption you're from the US
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ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
in reply to fl42v • • •Yeah, no shit buddy, and your "gist" can be pretty forcibly rejected by reading these, which use some form of the term without defending it: hexbear.net/comment/5821220 hexbear.net/comment/5819913 hexbear.net/comment/5821145 hexbear.net/comment/5819994
... show moreSo it's not that you have anything against asian people, you just think it's ok to use a term that origtinated in sa
Yeah, no shit buddy, and your "gist" can be pretty forcibly rejected by reading these, which use some form of the term without defending it: hexbear.net/comment/5821220 hexbear.net/comment/5819913 hexbear.net/comment/5821145 hexbear.net/comment/5819994
So it's not that you have anything against asian people, you just think it's ok to use a term that origtinated in saying japanese people eat so much rice they even run their cars on it. Uh huh. Would you defend the N-word on the basis that it's a commonly used word and you don't understand why it's so bad?
Extremely unsafe assumption, but newsflash - your ancestors don't need to be the specific ones who invented a racism for it to be racist to act like them. If you copy someone else's racism you are still the one being racist. You've been told multiple times by multiple people that the term is racist, but you're arguing it's not racist because you don't know how it's racist. Have you maybe considered you're just not very smart and need to study racism a bit more? Maybe learn what this whole "microaggression" thing people keep talking about it?
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fl42v
in reply to ProfessorOwl_PhD [any] • • •So what exactly? It's just a stereotype. A stereotypical Russian (that's where I'm from) would be a gopnik babooshka in abibas riding a bear while playing a balalayka and drinking vodka... And guess what? We find it funny. Well, maybe except babooshkas: many find it weird you stress the "oo" syllable instead of the 1st 'a'. It'd be the same with black guys and rap music or Texans and guns.
If it originated as a stereotype, stopped being used offensively several decades ago, and was then repurposed into being a praise of sorts.
ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
in reply to fl42v • • •I need you to be honest - do you not know what stereotypes are, or do you not know what racism is? Stereotyping is one of the conceptual parts of racism, so saying it's not racist because it's a stereotype is like saying pizza isn't Italian because it's from Naples.
Could you give me sources for when this happened for "ricing" and "ricer"? Because there are a lot of people in this thread telling you that it's still offensive, and I'm pretty sure they know a little bit more than you about racism.
anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
in reply to ProfessorOwl_PhD [any] • • •nasi_goreng
in reply to Dessalines • • •The thing is, this slur is only used in America and only affect Asian American.
In Asia itself, the usage is neutral. You can actually join any English Asia Linux community and find people using it neutrally. Even Asian American themself already neutralize the word.
Enforcing one standard of English is not recognizing that english is now a global language, with variation of English like Singaporean English, Malaysian English, and so on.
The same way that queer used to be a slur, but not now.
Language is not one standard. One community might consider it offensive, while others are not. And that's fine. Context matters.
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in reply to Dessalines • • •I think the difference is that with the n-word both the targets of the insult and the non-targets recognize it as an insult. Meanwhile considering the rice-word, both parties either only know the current-day meaning or think that the insult and the description of someone making their car look (but not function) like a race car are 2 different terms with different origin.
You also seem to imply that the asian poster might have just been a white person trying to prove their point. Well here is a video of a chinese-american using it (and not as some kind of "protest slur" or what's the term for rappers using the n-word in their songs) inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=68sTT4m…
I agree that using terms with racist origin is bad but I think that this term outside of the linux circles cannot be racist because nobody even knows it was racist at some point.
... show moreedit: Obviously it should stop being used inside the linux circles because a) people here are more likely to read the wikiped
I think the difference is that with the n-word both the targets of the insult and the non-targets recognize it as an insult. Meanwhile considering the rice-word, both parties either only know the current-day meaning or think that the insult and the description of someone making their car look (but not function) like a race car are 2 different terms with different origin.
You also seem to imply that the asian poster might have just been a white person trying to prove their point. Well here is a video of a chinese-american using it (and not as some kind of "protest slur" or what's the term for rappers using the n-word in their songs) inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=68sTT4m…
I agree that using terms with racist origin is bad but I think that this term outside of the linux circles cannot be racist because nobody even knows it was racist at some point.
edit: Obviously it should stop being used inside the linux circles because a) people here are more likely to read the wikipedia article than watch hours of automotive video content and b) the term does not even make sense for linux desktops because it just means "to make your desktop look cool". There aren't cosmetic linux desktop mods that make the computer look fast or like supercomputer or whatever.
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Unknown parent • • •Yeah, mods are power-tripping.
Gonna need a new Linux community soon.
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in reply to fool • • •Isn't it the same as tuning?
Although it's unclear what tuning is because it depends on who says it:
- It does mean doing modifications to a vehicle for actual performance improvements
- It's used extensively by ricers to describe themselves and their hobby and they think it's a positive term
- It's used extensively by people who dislike ricing and most definitely as a derogatory term
Yet for all its faults, I believe that's the closest word to ricing you'll find that is universally understood, neutral and isn't rendered hopelessly bland and meaningless by the process of political correctness newspeak.
modification of an automobile's performance
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in reply to fool • • •I say lets keep 'ricing', I don't want the one and only language we can communicate with being full of 'wordmines'.
IMO wordmines discriminate against everyone who is less familiar with English or American culture.
Flax
in reply to fool • • •Can't rice our Linux distros or cars because of woke
Jokes aside, RICE means "Race-inspired cosmetic enhancement" apparently
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in reply to Flax • • •pejorative term for a Japanese-manufactured motor vehicle
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in reply to fool • • •Maybe call it a 'ride'? It would still be a car reference, think about how people talk about cars as their 'rides'. At least to my understanding, calling a car a 'ride' also implies some level of the car being special. 'ride' is also only 4 letters, and isn't any harder to type, some of the other comments have really long terms which are a bit annoying to type.
On the negative side it is also 1 letter away from 'rice', so that might not be ideal.
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in reply to Omega_Jimes • • •boonhet
in reply to sntx • • •Ricing isn't exactly the same as personalized though.
Ricing when it comes to cars is putting on a giant wing and a huge muffler on a Honda Civic.
Ricing in the Gentoo community is turning on every compiler optimization flag for the main portage config file without knowing what they're doing, potentially actually de-optimizing your setup.
There's an element of "overdone" involved usually whenever someone is called a ricer.
sntx
in reply to boonhet • • •To personalize your setup, is to deviate from the default config to better match your preferences - whatever those may be, however over the top those may be.
That doesn't imply any optimization, unless it's what you personally prefer.
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in reply to Oxidant6283 • • •The idea of suggesting the word "noodles" doesn't come from a racial point-of-view. I'm using "noodles" to describe the mess of dotfiles, which is like saying "spaghetti code" for poorly written code.
I guess you can argue it has a race association as the only reason we are coming up with a new word is because the old word is racist.
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in reply to fool • • •Pocking
Pocked up
I.e. peacocking, making it awesome and flashy and sharing with others
Quick reach a consensus before the yungins start posting rizzed out setups
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in reply to fool • • •.dedomain and my first thought was this was about using a potato ricer to make spätzle. I may not be normal.juliebean
in reply to fool • • •extravagantly decorated trucks in Japan
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in reply to fool • • •This is a tough one, because to me "ricing" or "riced out" carries additional negative undertones (racism aside). I have always heard it used in a way implying that it was referencing enhancements done in a cheap or gaudy/classless way. Think of the most Razer-like LED adorned gaming PC setup, that could have easily been described as being "riced up".
I think the phrase "decked out" works OK, and seems to also lack the negative connotation, which may or not be in line with the goal here.
Also, seeing your example ideas you shot down, I am not sure you full understand "souping up" phrase. The term "souped up" has been in use for over a century and I still hear people use it pretty frequently. It is generally meant to imply something has been made faster or more powerful, frequently with cars, and probably why some people argue it is a shortened version of supercharged. I agree that it probably isn't a good fit here, but not being of how it sounds.
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in reply to fool • • •Is "ricing" not originally related to customised cars from street racing or something? I personally don't see an issue with it.
The activity itself is quite good for making people aware of how a desktop linux OS is working but doing it excessively is a bit silly so makes sense for jt to have a silly name.
Jayjader
in reply to steeznson • • •__Lost__
in reply to Jayjader • • •The term wasn't about Japanese drivers, it was about Japanese cars. They were called "rice burners" as in they were fueled by rice, not gasoline. I guess that was someone's joke that became wide spread.
You're right that it was sort of derogatory to refer to cars that had all their customization on things like giant exhausts, huge wheels, neon lights, rather than performance improvements.
I've never heard the term used to refer to the ethnicity of the driver, just the ethnicity of the car, so I don't think it's racist, shrug.
limelight79
in reply to __Lost__ • • •Yeah as someone that was in the car scene during that era, I can't recall a single time it was used to refer to a person. It was all about the car and its mods - and even then, it was used to describe any car, Asian or other, that was overdone or, often, just not to the taste of the viewer. One time since described my user of a Sony radio as "rice" because they were supposedly not reliable. I never had any issues, but that was their reaction.
I understand why people might consider it racist, and I'm not a fan of the term because of that, and I'd prefer something better. But I do not believe racism was the intent when I saw it used.
friend_of_satan
in reply to steeznson • • •It is not, as I learned 18d ago lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1216…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_b…
pejorative term for a Japanese-manufactured motor vehicle
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in reply to fool • • •Spice/spiced could work. But it's still an allusion, not sure if that defeats the point.
Which, outside of specific contexts where you're already confident someone is a WN, was quickly forgotten and never really took off. It's not a great example of a social shift.
dewritoninja
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in reply to fool • • •This will and probably has got a bunch of flak but I'm with you. There's nothing wrong with recognising when we can pick a better term for something we enjoy.
Like, I get why people use "-porn" as a suffix and it isn't offensive to me but I still won't use that in a workplace. It'd be cool if someone thought of a better neologism!
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jk I don't have any better ideas
ace_garp
in reply to fool • • •Eyedust
in reply to fool • • •I thought hard on this (I just like naming things). I came up with gemming. Graphical Environment Management. Unixgems.
It sorta works because customizing your environment is sort of like putting the finishing gems on it.
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in reply to fool • • •opening the linked thread like:
Anyways I'm gay and transgender, so I've decided that from now on I'm saying that I'm transing my desktop.
Jokes aside, going from repressed neutral boy clothes to vibrant and colorful girl clothes and makeup and feeling cute has been such a great part of transitioning. This is kind of how I see customizing my desktop now. It always comes with such boring dry defaults, so I trans her gender and give her a makeover and now my computer is all pretty. So I'm sticking with transing.