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How can I fix this rotation issue?


I’m using EndeavourOS with KDE.

The display is correctly oriented when logged in but it doesn’t rotate correctly when I’m logged out.

EDIT: corrected the post. This happens when logged out, locking the screen has it displayed correctly.

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in reply to governorkeagan

If you're using Wayland, you can go to Settings -> Colors & Themes -> Login Screen (SDDM) and click "Apply Plasma Settings..."

If you're using X11, it looks like you'll have to resort to hacky scripts, unfortunately.

Source: discuss.kde.org/t/how-to-chang…

in reply to frozen

Unfortunately, I'm having to use X11 because of work (context). Thanks for the help!


Gnome extension on KDE?


I know the title sounds a little strange but hear me out. The time tracking software I use for work doesn’t work on Wayland, unless I’m using Gnome as my DE. They have an extension that allows it to work in this case. Personally, I don’t enjoy Gnome on my desktop (I use it on my laptop). Is there a way for me to get the functionality that this extension provides on KDE so that I can use Wayland on my desktop as well?

Time tracking software:
- hubstaff.com/
- support.hubstaff.com/screensho…

Linux install script:
- codeberg.org/governorkeagan/hu…

EDIT: I have included more files in the codeberg repo. I hope this helps.


in reply to frozen

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in reply to KarfiolosHus

Give me real tools or get off my ~~lawn~~ rewilded patch of native plants and bugs!
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in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

Not sure if you're a troll, but if you're serious, nothing I say is going to change your mind, so I won't bother.
in reply to frozen

I am serious, and I’ll tell you exactly what will change my mind. I need real tools instead of “upgrades” that have less functionality and are less usable. If Wayland (or whatever comes next) can deliver on functionality, I’ll sing its praises. For now I’m on X.
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

Yeah that difference in configuration definitely makes it so much better, it completely outweighs the fact that Wayland does proper multi-monitor VRR, fractional scaling, HDR and much more.
in reply to narc0tic_bird

I’ve never needed any of those things.

I do need to change monitor configurations.

I once had an old TV that I used as a monitor that had 1027p worth of pixels instead of 1080p. Auto detection tools said it was 1080p. With xrandr I was able to modify the output to 1027p so I didn’t lose the edges of the display to the TV’s broken forced overscan design. Could you do that with Wayland?

in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

Literally yes. And you don't even need to know the exact pixel resolution of the TV.

Edit: Here are the problems with you "Wayland isn't good enough" people.

First, you don't use Wayland, so you don't even know if it's fixed whatever weird issue you encountered with it before or if it supports a niche use case, for example.

Second, Wayland won't get good enough for you until you start using it and reporting bugs. You think X11 was a bed of roses when it first started? Or do you think they bumped the version number 11 times for fun?

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in reply to frozen

Good to know that this has been implemented in your favorite DE! Considering how Wayland often implements things, it’s probably implemented on the DE-level, leading to a fractured configuration ecosystem. Being implemented in Wayland is different from being implemented in some of the DEs that use Wayland.

edit: if I’m wrong about that, and it is implemented in Wayland itself, please continue to correct me!

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in reply to frozen

First, you don't use Wayland, so you don't even know if it's fixed whatever weird issue you encountered with it before or if it supports a niche use case, for example.


Bingo. So many complaints I’ve seen about Wayland have been from Nvidia users who tried it three years ago when the driver support was beyond fucked. I get Linux development moves slow sometimes but holy shit…

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in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

I never configured anything on X with a DE, let it be KDE, Gnome or Cosmic, but configure everything with config files I can just copy on sway. It has nothing to do with X or Wayland, but the DE/WM you use.
in reply to 30p87

That’s kind of my point. Something like randr is more fundamental than the DE, and its configuration shouldn’t be fractured by being DE-dependent. I personally don’t like DEs at all, and like the ability to control a more minimal system.
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

You can't be this stupid, Wayland also uses a config file, you just have a GUI button to copy the configs from inside your session to the login screen. Or do you think the button recompiles the login screen with a different configuration?
in reply to Nibodhika

Ironically SDDM itself still runs on X11 afaik, Wayland support is still experimental.
in reply to narc0tic_bird

I think you have to manually enable it (may depend on your distro/DE) but SDDM works fine with Wayland as it stands now.
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in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

Uh, all that button does is write your configuration to the sddm config. Of course you can also do that manually.
in reply to Björn Tantau

It’s not just about it being a config file, it’s also about having access to a powerful tool like xrandr within that config file.
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

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in reply to LeFantome

in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle

You left a very gracious reply so let’s not fight.

I see a certain amount of irony in the overlap between the group of people ranting that Wayland has too many implementations and the group demanding more implementations of everything else. So that was my point.

Certainly we can agree though that there is nothing wrong with demanding more of both.

One my favourite new distros, Chimera, uses both Wayland and dinit (and Turnstile ).

I am interested to see where the diversity that Wayland provides goes actually. Have you seen this?

github.com/CuarzoSoftware/Louv…

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in reply to LeFantome

Thanks for the leads and the good conversation. I have found that being an idiot in public and then deescalating is one of the fastest ways to gather information.
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in reply to LeFantome

There are more examples every day of things Wayland can do that X11 cannot


What are the examples Wayland can do and X11 cannot?

in reply to frozen

Oh, I didn't know that button existed. Great! Even though I just tried it and it didn't apply my rotation settings correctly.
in reply to Arkhive (they/she)

This is the system settings application for the KDE desktop environment.
in reply to frozen

Ah, so being on Hyprland means I can’t really gain access to this, right?
in reply to Arkhive (they/she)

Correct. Unfortunately, it's something that each desktop environment or window manager has to implement themselves. But all the button is doing is moving some config files around, so you can probably do some digging to figure out what it's copying to where.
in reply to frozen

Yeah, I’ve largely figured out how to change all these settings from configs for myself, just always on the lookout for a nice gui. I’m slowly working to make a Linux experience I can install for my relatives that makes the transition from crapware Windows relatively painless.
in reply to Arkhive (they/she)

XDG_SESSION_THEME=KDE got my hyprland config to work on everything except the cursor (other than in Firefox/steam for some reason). Took me way too long to find the old reddit post that had this tip, so I hope it helps!
in reply to governorkeagan

Is this when the screen is locked or when you're logged out? Those are two different things and I suspect it's the latter. That's probably sddm and I suspect it can be fixed by using Wayland with it. Should be some option in /etc/sddm.conf or so.
in reply to Björn Tantau

I corrected the post, thanks for calling it out! It’s fine when locked but the issue happens when logged out.
in reply to zelifcam

This sort of passive-aggressive "help" feels like a relic of the early 2010s we could do without.
in reply to ilinamorato

OP probably wasn't aware it was an SDDM issue. Or even what SDDM is, hence the question.
in reply to zelifcam

Well, there was zero effort documented in the post.


You're not their teacher. It's not your job to decide how much effort they've put forth, or to grade whether or not that is sufficient.

Take a look at Ubuntu trying to teach newcomers how to ask a question.


And if they documented their research process, you'd say "tldr just ask the question." Stop trying to be paternalistic and gatekeepy. Just answer or don't.

in reply to zelifcam

That's totally the biggest problem with the internet. And definitely deploying self-important moderaptors is the way to fix it.

/s, of course. Get off your high horse.

in reply to zelifcam

We aren't Ubuntu here. As far as I'm concerned OP's question was just fine.
in reply to tate

Msnjddnn&:$3!3$
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in reply to zelifcam

The goal of Ubuntu's help forum is to solve users' problems efficiently and effectively. That goal is better achieved if questions are posed in certain optimal ways.

The goal of Lemmy is for people to have discussions (like this one! ;). That goal is not better achieved with well posed questions.

in reply to zelifcam

How do you think the OP is supposed to know that "SDDM" is the issue to look up? You don't get to enforce another person's effort. If all you want to provide is "you're looking for 'SDDM,' that would provide help and empower them without sounding like you're biting the newbie for not knowing everything.
in reply to zelifcam

Yes. I would assume that the problem is in X11 or Wayland before thinking it could be SDDM, frankly. But even then, googling "Linux login screen" doesn't immediately reveal SDDM to be the point of concern.
in reply to zelifcam

I'm not moving any goalposts at all. I'm expressing how inexperience and bad assumptions can make one's searching unfruitful through no fault of their own. That's all I've ever been saying.
in reply to zelifcam

Ah, you made an edit. Yeah, "kde login rotation" does, but "EndeavourOS login rotation" gives you no results mentioning SDDM. Giving people the benefit of the doubt costs you nothing over assuming that they're lazy, and the added bonus is that you don't sound like a jerk.
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in reply to ilinamorato

This type of answer wouldn't exist if people typed the question into google instead of reddit/lemmy/forums/etc...
in reply to Séra Balázs

When you search for a problem like this one, often the results with helpful answers are on forums. These wouldn't exist if no one ever asked their question on a forum.

To put it another way, google doesn't create any content. That's what we're here to do instead.

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in reply to tate

Yup, and it might be necessary to reproduce a lot of the answers that people used to find on reddit.
in reply to tate

I have no problem with questions on forums, sometimes I ask them myself, but I think that if you expect people to try to answer your question, people should be able to expect you to have tried looking for an answer yourself.
in reply to Séra Balázs

I don't know about other people, but it's way easier to google something than to ask a question and then wait for the answer. I'm not OP, but if I've asked a question, it's only because I've exhausted my ability to find the answer on its own.
in reply to Séra Balázs

Sometimes people like community conversation; it often gets to the heart of the issue better than parsing a semi-related post from 12 years ago, and it allows back-and-forth discussion to get details and drill down issues.

On top of that, redundancy for technical issues is never something we should reject.

in reply to Séra Balázs

Why though? Seriously, why is it a problem for you if they ask here first, instead of asking somewhere else first? What is the actual harm to you?

Some people would rather interact with other humans. Some prefer to find their answers without interacting with other humans. It's all good.

in reply to tate

Jsnndjdj&3&3&3!!;
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in reply to zelifcam

What is the harm, to you or anyone else, when someone makes a forum their first resort, instead of last? If having people ask questions here that aren't "good questions" according to you is bothering you, perhaps you are the problem.
in reply to zelifcam

I support this idea, and based on the things I read here, it seems to me that different cultures have different norms for asking a question, and that's a good thing, but can create not so pleasant social situations here in the internet
in reply to Séra Balázs

My goodness, people complain that this place lacks content. A person as for help which creates content for the site and you come to bash on them?

Come kiddo! You can do better.

in reply to zelifcam

Google wouldn't have any answers if no one ever asked their question in a forum instead.
in reply to zelifcam

a valid forum question


I wouldn't presume to judge this, and I dont think you should.

There is no issue related to a deluge of "invalid" or even redundant forum questions. That's simply not a real problem.

in reply to governorkeagan

usually monitors can be freely rotated. if yours can't, the back usually has a square vesa mount on the back and you can just take out the four screws and reattach it the way you like.
in reply to governorkeagan

I've just been logging in upside down for a couple years. My monitor's vesa Mount is like 3 inches from the top for some reason so having it upside down is the only way I can get a reasonable ergonomic height

Which display manager are you using?

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in reply to governorkeagan

On the arch wiki for SSDM I found this:

Changes to your display configuration made in a Plasma Wayland session (e.g. monitor layout, resolution, etc) will not persist to SDDM. To make them persist open Plasma's System Settings and navigate to Startup and Shutdown> Login Screen (SDDM) and click "Apply Plasma Settings...". You will need to have permission to perform this action.


You should give that a try

in reply to governorkeagan

Rotate the left display 90 degrees clockwise. Now they're both in landscape. Ta-da!

Sorry, I'll see myself out.

in reply to baatliwala

If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using Linux already knows all about Windows, since, y'know, it has most of the Desktop market in its grip

This is like yelling about straight pride

in reply to Lotarion

It's satirical/sarcastic, I even added the bro and everything. You see Linux users doing the same on every fucking Windows post so I couldn't resist.
in reply to governorkeagan

That's not the point here but can you share your wallpaper? 😄
in reply to foremanguy

I can't remember where I found it, but here it is. I thought it might be from here (I've used these previously) but it is not.
in reply to governorkeagan

Your screen on the left appears to be rotated vertically, rotate it 90 degrees clockwise and it should be better.
in reply to governorkeagan

Put one hand on the top and one on bottom and rotate the screen by 90° or π/2 radians
in reply to Anna

If you have to read PDFs regularly having a vertical monitor is a lifesaver.
in reply to governorkeagan

You could use Windows 11 from Microsoft, it can do both landscape and portrait.
in reply to UmeU

It's true though, every thread about Windows is full of Linux users saying how you should just use Linux, and others saying they still can't because it still doesn't work properly after all this time. Then you get the Linux users saying "iT jUSt wORks", then posting shit like this demonstrating that it clearly still doesn't
in reply to Hugh_Jeggs

If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using Linux already knows all about Windows, since, y'know, it has most of the Desktop market in its grip

This is like yelling about straight pride

in reply to Lotarion

If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using iOS already knows all about Android, since, y'know, it has most of the mobile market in its grip

This is like yelling about straight pride

in reply to UmeU

Sure.

I could also shoot off both my testicles with an M1911.

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in reply to ProgrammingSocks

Is that what it takes to get two different desktop orientations using Linux?
in reply to governorkeagan

From Archwiki > xrandr:

Tip: Both GDM and SDDM have startup scripts that are executed when X is initiated. For GDM, these are in /etc/gdm/, while for SDDM this is done at /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup. This method requires root access and mucking around in system configuration files, but will take effect earlier in the startup process than using xprofile.
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in reply to woodgen

SDDM is still X11 based, no matter which desktop you run with it. I have tried enabling Wayland on it, but it's been... Unstable to say the least.