How can I fix this rotation issue?
I’m using EndeavourOS with KDE.
The display is correctly oriented when logged in but it doesn’t rotate correctly when I’m logged out.
EDIT: corrected the post. This happens when logged out, locking the screen has it displayed correctly.
This entry was edited (9 months ago)
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narc0tic_bird
in reply to governorkeagan • • •This is SDDM, the default login manager used by KDE.
The Arch Wiki has an article about it, look under section 2.6.
SDDM - ArchWiki
wiki.archlinux.orgkurumin
in reply to narc0tic_bird • • •frozen
in reply to governorkeagan • • •If you're using Wayland, you can go to Settings -> Colors & Themes -> Login Screen (SDDM) and click "Apply Plasma Settings..."
If you're using X11, it looks like you'll have to resort to hacky scripts, unfortunately.
Source: discuss.kde.org/t/how-to-chang…
How to change monitor layout and orientation in SDDM?
KDE Discussgovernorkeagan
in reply to frozen • • •Unfortunately, I'm having to use X11 because of work (context). Thanks for the help!
governorkeagan
2024-06-10 21:49:27
Nilz
in reply to governorkeagan • • •xrandr - ArchWiki
wiki.archlinux.orgAnIndefiniteArticle
in reply to frozen • • •This is why X11 is better. I’d rather have settings like this in a text file that I can copy over to my next machine than have to navigate a UI that will change on a different DE or the next upgrade.
Backwards compatibility, portability, and text-based interfaces are a virtue.
X config files aren’t “hacky scripts”, they are fundamentally more powerful, customizable, usable, and future-proof. Xrandr is a powerful and capable interface with applications across the system.
When Wayland adopts these kinds of powerful interfaces with decades of refinement I’ll switch to it. I don’t want to keep track of whether my DE uses wlroots or gnome or plasma and their independent/redundant/feature-lacking randr alternatives. Randrs should be more fundamental to the display operation than the DE. Wayland is fundamentally hacky and broken.
Edit: thank you all for the discussion. I’d like to clarify a point. I don’t just want a text file with configuration settings that implement features that I need to beg/bother the de
... show moreThis is why X11 is better. I’d rather have settings like this in a text file that I can copy over to my next machine than have to navigate a UI that will change on a different DE or the next upgrade.
Backwards compatibility, portability, and text-based interfaces are a virtue.
X config files aren’t “hacky scripts”, they are fundamentally more powerful, customizable, usable, and future-proof. Xrandr is a powerful and capable interface with applications across the system.
When Wayland adopts these kinds of powerful interfaces with decades of refinement I’ll switch to it. I don’t want to keep track of whether my DE uses wlroots or gnome or plasma and their independent/redundant/feature-lacking randr alternatives. Randrs should be more fundamental to the display operation than the DE. Wayland is fundamentally hacky and broken.
Edit: thank you all for the discussion. I’d like to clarify a point. I don’t just want a text file with configuration settings that implement features that I need to beg/bother the devs for. They are likely to have better things to do and it might not be a priority for them. I want access to powerful tools via the configuration files that I can make do pretty much anything if I read the documentation. Xrandr is such a tool. I don’t want setting for a feature that has to be baked into the DE which I have to beg to have implemented and which will be implemented differently across different DEs. I want flexible, dynamic, modular tools.
KarfiolosHus
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in reply to narc0tic_bird • • •I’ve never needed any of those things.
I do need to change monitor configurations.
I once had an old TV that I used as a monitor that had 1027p worth of pixels instead of 1080p. Auto detection tools said it was 1080p. With xrandr I was able to modify the output to 1027p so I didn’t lose the edges of the display to the TV’s broken forced overscan design. Could you do that with Wayland?
frozen
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle • • •Literally yes. And you don't even need to know the exact pixel resolution of the TV.
Edit: Here are the problems with you "Wayland isn't good enough" people.
First, you don't use Wayland, so you don't even know if it's fixed whatever weird issue you encountered with it before or if it supports a niche use case, for example.
Second, Wayland won't get good enough for you until you start using it and reporting bugs. You think X11 was a bed of roses when it first started? Or do you think they bumped the version number 11 times for fun?
AnIndefiniteArticle
in reply to frozen • • •Good to know that this has been implemented in your favorite DE! Considering how Wayland often implements things, it’s probably implemented on the DE-level, leading to a fractured configuration ecosystem. Being implemented in Wayland is different from being implemented in some of the DEs that use Wayland.
edit: if I’m wrong about that, and it is implemented in Wayland itself, please continue to correct me!
doona
in reply to frozen • • •Bingo. So many complaints I’ve seen about Wayland have been from Nvidia users who tried it three years ago when the driver support was beyond fucked. I get Linux development moves slow sometimes but holy shit…
30p87
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in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle • • •LeFantome
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle • • •In Wayland, the compositor is the window server ( the equivalent of Xserver ). What you are looking for has to be a feature of the compositor and it is.
As others have said below, wlroots based compositors offer wlr-randr. There is also gnome-randr. For KDE, there is Kscreen-doctor. For X ( the window server being used by SDDM here ), there is xramdr.
Now, some people may see it as a problem that we have multiple Wayland implementations. I am mostly not fighting that battle. I will say that I hope these are not the same people that winge about systemd though and push for alternate init systems. I hope nobody that thinks MUSL is cool
Is clinging to X11.
I would prefer that there was a common configuration standard for this stuff on Wayland. It will probably come eventually. Maybe as part of the freedesktop.org stuff.
Generally, I believe the Linux ecosystem has been stronger in areas where there has been competition between implementations ( even compilers ). I hope that Wayland will be one of those areas. As the core problems get fixed, the pace of innov
... show moreIn Wayland, the compositor is the window server ( the equivalent of Xserver ). What you are looking for has to be a feature of the compositor and it is.
As others have said below, wlroots based compositors offer wlr-randr. There is also gnome-randr. For KDE, there is Kscreen-doctor. For X ( the window server being used by SDDM here ), there is xramdr.
Now, some people may see it as a problem that we have multiple Wayland implementations. I am mostly not fighting that battle. I will say that I hope these are not the same people that winge about systemd though and push for alternate init systems. I hope nobody that thinks MUSL is cool
Is clinging to X11.
I would prefer that there was a common configuration standard for this stuff on Wayland. It will probably come eventually. Maybe as part of the freedesktop.org stuff.
Generally, I believe the Linux ecosystem has been stronger in areas where there has been competition between implementations ( even compilers ). I hope that Wayland will be one of those areas. As the core problems get fixed, the pace of innovation will increase. I believe we are already seeing that. There are more examples every day of things Wayland can do that X11 cannot. Let’s hope for more of that.
AnIndefiniteArticle
in reply to LeFantome • • •Thanks for pointing out that in this case the DM is using X regardless of whatever graphical environment gets loaded when the user logs in. This really is a moot point/discussion. I’m still glad I raised it to get perspectives like yours.
You’re right that I should play around with wlroots a bit more. It’s been a while, personally. Mostly because it’s been a while since I’ve had time to just play around with my system. My life is at a point that it looks like I’ll have that free time soon, for better or for worse.
I’ll note that I do like alternative init systems for diversity and competition and because systemd was very hungry and rigid. An init system is also a bit more fundamental to system stability than a display server, so I think it’s reasonable to be critical of systemd and Wayland for contradictory reasons. Systemd has also come a very long way in the past decade plus. I have also seen it learn from the other ideas implemented in its competition, mirroring your argument. Diversity and unification are not at odds
... show moreThanks for pointing out that in this case the DM is using X regardless of whatever graphical environment gets loaded when the user logs in. This really is a moot point/discussion. I’m still glad I raised it to get perspectives like yours.
You’re right that I should play around with wlroots a bit more. It’s been a while, personally. Mostly because it’s been a while since I’ve had time to just play around with my system. My life is at a point that it looks like I’ll have that free time soon, for better or for worse.
I’ll note that I do like alternative init systems for diversity and competition and because systemd was very hungry and rigid. An init system is also a bit more fundamental to system stability than a display server, so I think it’s reasonable to be critical of systemd and Wayland for contradictory reasons. Systemd has also come a very long way in the past decade plus. I have also seen it learn from the other ideas implemented in its competition, mirroring your argument. Diversity and unification are not at odds with each other, but are different parts of the same cycle of improvement.
LeFantome
in reply to AnIndefiniteArticle • • •You left a very gracious reply so let’s not fight.
I see a certain amount of irony in the overlap between the group of people ranting that Wayland has too many implementations and the group demanding more implementations of everything else. So that was my point.
Certainly we can agree though that there is nothing wrong with demanding more of both.
One my favourite new distros, Chimera, uses both Wayland and dinit (and Turnstile ).
I am interested to see where the diversity that Wayland provides goes actually. Have you seen this?
github.com/CuarzoSoftware/Louv…
GitHub - CuarzoSoftware/Louvre: C++ library for building Wayland compositors.
GitHubAnIndefiniteArticle
in reply to LeFantome • • •shekau
in reply to LeFantome • • •What are the examples Wayland can do and X11 cannot?
narc0tic_bird
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in reply to governorkeagan • • •/etc/sddm.confor so.governorkeagan
in reply to Björn Tantau • • •zelifcam
in reply to governorkeagan • • •ilinamorato
in reply to zelifcam • • •like this
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Tacostrange
in reply to ilinamorato • • •zelifcam
in reply to Tacostrange • • •ilinamorato
in reply to zelifcam • • •You're not their teacher. It's not your job to decide how much effort they've put forth, or to grade whether or not that is sufficient.
And if they documented their research process, you'd say "tldr just ask the question." Stop trying to be paternalistic and gatekeepy. Just answer or don't.
zelifcam
in reply to ilinamorato • • •ilinamorato
in reply to zelifcam • • •That's totally the biggest problem with the internet. And definitely deploying self-important moderaptors is the way to fix it.
/s, of course. Get off your high horse.
tate
in reply to zelifcam • • •zelifcam
in reply to tate • • •tate
in reply to zelifcam • • •The goal of Ubuntu's help forum is to solve users' problems efficiently and effectively. That goal is better achieved if questions are posed in certain optimal ways.
The goal of Lemmy is for people to have discussions (like this one! ;). That goal is not better achieved with well posed questions.
zelifcam
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in reply to ilinamorato • • •tate
in reply to Séra Balázs • • •When you search for a problem like this one, often the results with helpful answers are on forums. These wouldn't exist if no one ever asked their question on a forum.
To put it another way, google doesn't create any content. That's what we're here to do instead.
NaibofTabr
in reply to tate • • •Séra Balázs
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in reply to Séra Balázs • • •Telorand
in reply to Séra Balázs • • •Sometimes people like community conversation; it often gets to the heart of the issue better than parsing a semi-related post from 12 years ago, and it allows back-and-forth discussion to get details and drill down issues.
On top of that, redundancy for technical issues is never something we should reject.
tate
in reply to Séra Balázs • • •Why though? Seriously, why is it a problem for you if they ask here first, instead of asking somewhere else first? What is the actual harm to you?
Some people would rather interact with other humans. Some prefer to find their answers without interacting with other humans. It's all good.
zelifcam
in reply to tate • • •tate
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in reply to zelifcam • • •kurumin
in reply to Séra Balázs • • •My goodness, people complain that this place lacks content. A person as for help which creates content for the site and you come to bash on them?
Come kiddo! You can do better.
braindefragger
in reply to kurumin • • •tate
in reply to zelifcam • • •zelifcam
in reply to tate • • •tate
in reply to zelifcam • • •I wouldn't presume to judge this, and I dont think you should.
There is no issue related to a deluge of "invalid" or even redundant forum questions. That's simply not a real problem.
bloodfart
in reply to governorkeagan • • •Tenkard
in reply to governorkeagan • • •ta00000 [none/use name]
in reply to governorkeagan • • •I've just been logging in upside down for a couple years. My monitor's vesa Mount is like 3 inches from the top for some reason so having it upside down is the only way I can get a reasonable ergonomic height
Which display manager are you using?
ta00000 [none/use name]
in reply to governorkeagan • • •On the arch wiki for SSDM I found this:
You should give that a try
therealjcdenton
in reply to governorkeagan • • •Destide
in reply to therealjcdenton • • •I found the light version i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/7d/3…
boredsquirrel
in reply to therealjcdenton • • •wallpapersden.com/linux-retro-…
Edited the photo and used bing search lol
therealjcdenton
in reply to boredsquirrel • • •nehal3m
in reply to governorkeagan • • •Rotate the left display 90 degrees clockwise. Now they're both in landscape. Ta-da!
Sorry, I'll see myself out.
baatliwala
in reply to governorkeagan • • •Lotarion
in reply to baatliwala • • •If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using Linux already knows all about Windows, since, y'know, it has most of the Desktop market in its grip
This is like yelling about straight pride
baatliwala
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in reply to foremanguy • • •linux-wallpapers/Gruvbox/sve.png at main
Codeberg.orgPossibly linux
in reply to governorkeagan • • •cheezits
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in reply to governorkeagan • • •The command is
Anna
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in reply to UmeU • • •Right? I had to do the same
baatliwala
2024-06-14 18:48:58
Hugh_Jeggs
in reply to baatliwala • • •I vow to do the same on each appropriate thread my Liege
It's only right
Hugh_Jeggs
in reply to UmeU • • •Lotarion
in reply to Hugh_Jeggs • • •If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using Linux already knows all about Windows, since, y'know, it has most of the Desktop market in its grip
This is like yelling about straight pride
Hugh_Jeggs
in reply to Lotarion • • •Lotarion
in reply to Hugh_Jeggs • • •Hugh_Jeggs
in reply to Lotarion • • •If you think this is very witty and a gotcha, you're wrong. This argument doesn't work in reverse because whoever is using iOS already knows all about Android, since, y'know, it has most of the mobile market in its grip
This is like yelling about straight pride
ProgrammingSocks
in reply to UmeU • • •Sure.
I could also shoot off both my testicles with an M1911.
UmeU
in reply to ProgrammingSocks • • •ClemaX
in reply to governorkeagan • • •From Archwiki > xrandr:
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