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My 7 year old just reached for a piece of pizza fresh out of the oven and exclaimed, in the same tone as an adult swearing…

“English *folklore*, that’s hot!”

I choked laughing ENGLISH FOLKLORE AS A SWEAR? WHO ARE YOU?!?

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in reply to Catherynne M. Valente

There are plenty of rude Old English words if one cares to look for them:

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/swive

Hardly anyone knows them, so you can swear to your heart's content without being found out. Probably. 😄

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@CppGuy
In Fleas Flies and Friars, the Middle English / Latin poem famous for having the first recorded use of ‘fuck’, the cuss words are censored by using the next letter in the alphabet (so ‘gxdd’ instead of ‘fucc’). It's also one of the earliest uses of ‘swive’, which is similarly censored. (And so is the onomatopoeia ‘snick snack’ for some reason.)
in reply to TobyBartels

@TobyBartels

Interesting! Thanks.

"Snick snack" is new to me, and is very similar to the sound made by the vorpal blade in Jabberwocky. Unfortunate accident, surely, on Lewis Carroll's part?

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@CppGuy
According to Wikipedia, it was published in an academic book in 1841, which gives Carroll plenty of time to read it before he publishes Through the Looking Glass in 1871. Although since ‘tokl tobl’ also works as onomatopoeia, it might have taken a while for people to think of applying the substitution cipher to it; I don't know what the 1841 book says about it.

It's conceivable, since the phrase was in use in the 15th century, that it was continually in use through the 19th century, but if so then it wasn't in print. (The OED dates ‘snick-snack’ to 1925 and ‘snicker-snack’ to 1871, with Carroll. Note that the OED doesn't seem to consider Flees Flies and Friars, which is more than half in Latin, to be an English source; it dates ‘fuck’ only to 1513.)

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My 7 year old just reached for a piece of pizza fresh out of the oven and exclaimed, in the same tone as an adult swearing…

“English *folklore*, that’s hot!”

I choked laughing ENGLISH FOLKLORE AS A SWEAR? WHO ARE YOU?!?


in reply to Cat

@catmisgivings Thanks! I'd reposted this on Bluesky but didn't know she was here too. Between "English folklore" and the cat's "vacuum" it's an amazing season for random swears @Catvalente