China and the DPRK are oppressive, authoritarian states, and we should defend Ukraine’s right to self determination. I guess that completely nullifies my socialist beliefs because I don’t blindly love every government that brands itself as communist
I happen to agree with you on those but (much like yourself, probably) disagree with the US State dept on Cuba and Israel. Which I reckon makes me more of a leftist than all those tankies simping for Russia, which hasn't had anything to do with communism for over 3 decades.
Lmao. Lenin had it right with "Left Communism: an Infantile Disorder". You're not a better leftist because you agree to hate the enemies of the US on their schedule while toothlessly condemning the US in the way they approve of.
Ah yes, Ukraine's right to self determination after the west overthrows the democratically elected government and turns it into a literal dictatorship where elections have been cancelled. Thank you for providing a human face to the meme.
Citizens in China of all ethnicities are satisfied with their government, even Harvard, Pew, and Statista quote a number higher than 90%.
If they're authoritarian, what is Klanada, where like 30% were satisfied with the government but all their options are somehow "the same" or "more nazi"?
True leftism is "when America bad" and the more "America bad" you spout, the more to the left you are. Having nuanced and principled opinions is inferior to campism, gotcha.
Why do you believe the US and anglophone-media when they demonize their main enemies, and say that they're no different? You should take anything a serial liar says with an extreme grain of salt.
Then how did you come by that particular conclusion? Because if it's not just out and out racism, surely you can link it to verify it's not just a State Department proxy going "Anonymous sources confirm ALL minorities in China being tortured right the fuck now"
What conclusion are you proposing that I came to? My only statement was that denying Western media in favor of Eastern media is not "leftist." Everything else you and Dessalines have attempted to drag into this discussion is creating either a false dichotomy or a strawman, in some cases both. The options are not "either you listen to PoC or you listen to Western Media," because not all Western Media nor people of colour agree on every position. Whatever imaginary propaganda you are creating about the State suggesting that China is torturing minorities this minute is not something I have experienced, nor referenced. We have not presented the arguments that you are trying to deconstruct.
You are boxing with shadows, throwing fists with invisible monsters in the dark. I'm not sure if it's our of poor reading comprehension, poor critical thinking skills, or intentional dishonesty, but there's clearly a bias here that is useless to engage with.
instead, we should trust… The other ogliarchic and blatantly fascist empires?
Plural.
You're not being sneaky by refusing to state a clear argument and hiding behind liberal platitudes. There is no empire other than the US, and opposition to it is always framed as irredeemable evil and y'all eat it up.
Make an argument, cite your sources, or stop wasting everyone's time with deflection.
US imperialism, and more specifically, the division of the world into rich and poor countries (which US imperialism upholds with its military, dollar hegemony, and media dominance), is the primary evil in the world today.
When you accuse people pointing this out, of being "campist un-nuanced america-hating tankies", you're just showing your ignorance of the reality of images like the one above.
If you think you're gonna bait me into defending or denying America's history of foreign intervention then you've got another thing coming. It happened. Plenty of it is downright evil.
But sadly, it's not uniquely evil. Russia is waging an imperialist war of aggression and attempting a genocide of the Ukrainians, all while enriching their oligarchs as their civilians starve. China is repressing the Tibetans, committing genocide against the Uyghurs to create a Han ethnostate, threatening Taiwan, and is violating maritime borders in the South China Sea with their expansion of their naval presence.
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit, and work their people to the bone with companies in the country defying the ban on the 996 schedule enforcement. Russia considers LGBT people as a whole dissenters and arrests them simply for existing. Prominent political dissidents of Putin are simply murdered.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgr
... show more
If you think you're gonna bait me into defending or denying America's history of foreign intervention then you've got another thing coming. It happened. Plenty of it is downright evil.
But sadly, it's not uniquely evil. Russia is waging an imperialist war of aggression and attempting a genocide of the Ukrainians, all while enriching their oligarchs as their civilians starve. China is repressing the Tibetans, committing genocide against the Uyghurs to create a Han ethnostate, threatening Taiwan, and is violating maritime borders in the South China Sea with their expansion of their naval presence.
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit, and work their people to the bone with companies in the country defying the ban on the 996 schedule enforcement. Russia considers LGBT people as a whole dissenters and arrests them simply for existing. Prominent political dissidents of Putin are simply murdered.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them, and principally why I categorically reject the notion that we are the world's primary evil. It's just not that simple. But I'll take our flawed, bourgeois democracy over domination by than the outright fascist rule by our competitors.
But above all that I prefer peace and freedom. No more violence in Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Tibet, and Xinjiang. Civil rights and decent living conditions for all.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them, and principally why I categorically reject the notion that we are the world's primary evil.
Interesting. Why did the US go after Assange, Snowden, and Manning btw?
As usual, you gave zero evidence for any of your assertions. Every single one of your pro-US propaganda talking points have been disproved. Some links elaborating on them are in here.
So many of these sources are laughable. Reddit randos coping hard that their dictatorships sometimes get compared to the "bad" dictatorships. That is, provided one can even parse that out from all the deleted comments. Mountains of brainwashed articles that, when combined, can only be summarized as "pure hypocrisy".
I've already admitted that the US has committed genocide. You're not ready to admit the same about your precious China and Russia/ USSR, or any flaws for that matter. Just reflexive denials and whataboutism. Not a great hill to die on.
The quote at the beginning of this wall of delusion is actually pretty telling: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit
Lmao. Not even ForeignPolicy falls for such a blatant CIA talking point. Social credit is a measure to curb companies that act against the interest of people in the pursuit of profit, individual people don't come into the equation, you're to the right of warhawks on this one. To claim China is doing worse than the US is pure copium, it's like citizens of Nazi germany going "sure, Hitler might be bad, but wait til you learn about what he says the soviets are doing" which to be fair y'all also do.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America’s past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them,
Oh, yeah.
... show more
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit
Lmao. Not even ForeignPolicy falls for such a blatant CIA talking point. Social credit is a measure to curb companies that act against the interest of people in the pursuit of profit, individual people don't come into the equation, you're to the right of warhawks on this one. To claim China is doing worse than the US is pure copium, it's like citizens of Nazi germany going "sure, Hitler might be bad, but wait til you learn about what he says the soviets are doing" which to be fair y'all also do.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America’s past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them,
Oh, yeah. Huey P. Newton, MLK, Malcolm X, the entirety of the Ferguson protest organizers, Leonard Peltier, all of them free to speak their mind. Gary Webb and Julian Assange have been so highly commended for their work as well, you're so free in the land of the biggest carceral population in human history. I stg you could slot a gringo into fascist Italy and retexture it with icons of Americana and they'd feel right at home.
Lots of claims with zero sources but I wouldn't expect it from people who read a RFA-regurgitated headline and consider themselves thoroughly informed on the matter. Glad you don't want more violence in Xinjiang, but fret no more, China worked on solving it via schools instead of black sites like the US did, and succeeded where the US and its weapons makers profit from ensuring failure.
This is so much more reason that these tankies deserve tbh. I appreciate you taking the time to put it into words.
These people should actually try talking to foreigners, students and immigrants. The picture Ukrainian refugees and Taiwanese students paint is a lot less forgiving than the completely unsubstantiated, pseudo-intellectuslist "but that's CIA propaganda" arguments these authoritarian "leftists" like to throw around. I'm sure such first-hand accounts would be as readily dismissed, mind you, because the goal is clearly not to have an honest discussion to begin with.
I have. I taught Chinese students at the same time as those Taiwanese ones, and having them in a room together was often a challenge. The brainwashed ideologies the Chinese students often held in the face of evidence was much like that of fervent MAGA supporters.
The only thing I can say with absolute certainty is that Nationalism is fucked, whether it's the American or the Chinese brand.
Competent readers, regardless of their familiarity with the claims made here, will notice that the very first sentence in this comment is a lie that you can see for yourself just by reading their first comment in this thread.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them, and principally why I categorically reject the notion that we are the world's primary evil.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America’s past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them
MLK and Huey P. Newton. Also the police arresting pro-Palestinian protesters I already linked.
But I’ll take our flawed, bourgeois democracy over domination by than the outright fascist rule by our competitors.
The US is the one supporting fascists worldwide. Just look at the history of US interventions. Here's three examples in Latin America alone: Fulgencio Batista, US backed military coup in Chile that put Pinochet in power and the US backed military coup in Brasil in 1964.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them
I'll be sure to tell this to my friend who got his skull cracked and phone stolen by cops for protesting our involvement in Israel's genocide.
I've said this many times, but equal condemnation for unequal sin exaggerates the lesser and minimizes the greater. This scales dramatically, the greater the difference.
All countries have different cultures, history, material conditions, and forms of governance that result from that. Westerners portraying their system as the sole legitimate form of governance amounts to nothing more than modern-day marketing for colonialism, serving as a pretext for Western invasions and global atrocities masquerading as benevolent civilizing missions. The fact that you think that the regime you live under is somehow special shows a profound lack of cognitive development on your part.
I can at least objectively compare countries and governments. And in those, quality of life is objectively worse than that in Europe. Not because of the people, but the governments and systems in place. And that is my point, the countries that you, and apparently the US, listed are just some of the many, many countries that are untrustworthy in themselves - as political body to interact with. And for most things, especially to do with cyber security and privacy, I also include the USA and partly even Germany and the rest of the EU due to recent political motivations towards mass surveillance. Yet, it's better to live in than those countries.
Not only are you wrong, but you also omit the important fact that the standard of living in Europe is built on brutal exploitation of the people in the Global South being the clown that you are.
What has wealth do to with everything? Thinking money has anything to do with happiness is the stupidest take I've seen in day. Not months because there's still the AfD.
Also, everything is built on exploitation. And again, I'm not saying our government and system is good, it's just not as shit as others who surveil and execute their citizens.
Once again you honor us with a reductive argument based on a soundbite you heard and didn't spend any time actually thinking about. The reality is that wealth beyond a certain point stops making people happy penntoday.upenn.edu/news/does-…
Also, everything is not built on exploitation. Only an utter ignoramus brainwashed by capitalism would believe that.
Reconciling previously contradictory results, researchers from Penn and Princeton find a steady association between larger incomes and greater happiness for most people but a rise and plateau for an unhappy minority.
So if your whole live is surveiled, you are on the brink of being executed if you are different, you work 9 to 9, you are then happy because you are slightly more wealthy and can do ... well what? Pay Xi to be more free? Bribe the Maktoum? Or just do drugs to not suicide?
Which countries are actually free and not build on exploitation then, excluding the arctis?
Adorable you think that your whole life isn't surveiled in the west. Meanwhile, vast majority of people in China aren't working 9 to 9, and in fact are happy as pretty much every survey on China shows. Maybe spent some time actually learning about China instead of making a clown of yourself in public?
It's not surveiled. I don't have a phone with spyware preinstalled. There are no cameras, by law and in practice. I can pay in cash. I can wear what I want. I can choose a provider and they don't even know who I am.
If you ask north koreans, they are probably happy too. Because they don't know that it can be different.
The reason you believe all this nonsense is because you’ve uncritically accepted the propaganda that Western governments and Western corporate media have been flooding you with your entire life.
If your view on Ukraine is opposite that of the state dept, you're probably just ingesting unhealthy amounts of Russian propaganda.
Also ask any Russian LGBT activists how their lives are going right now. Oh wait, you can't because they're in jail. Sickens me that supposed "leftists" will run interference for such a blatantly bigoted regime.
If your view on Ukraine aligns with that of the state department then you're an ignoramus. Meanwhile, are you suggesting that Ukraine is the bastion of LGBT rights? 🤡
leftists when they claim to be anti imperialist but just support the other empire, your view of those things align with what the russian state wants you to think
no, I don't think so, I think it's actually funny how you belive everything out of russia and china without critical thinking, if you'd hold russian and chinese media outlets to the same level of responsibility you do with american media outlets, you'd realise, that you've been fed some lies
also just fuck russia and china, they're authoritarian and at least russia actively imprisons members of the opposition or the lgbt community
Is Russia Imperialist is a look at capitalist Russia today and its place in the world economic system. In this article we look at the degree capitalist Russia today shares in the features outlined by Lenin in his book Imperialism.
The absolute minimum you could do is attempt to understand what Imperialism actually is. Imperialism isn't "invasion," it's a form of international extraction similar to nation scale bourgeois/proletarian relations. The fact that you're trying to redefine Imperialism as "invasion" to make someone who linked a good source outlining what Imperialism actually is in order to make the person you replied to seem hypocritical is the peak of dishonesty.
Yes, Marxists use the latter definition listed, not the bolded, because it's a process that is trackable and explainable within itself. Adding "invasion" to the mix only makes sense if it is as a consequence of the latter, otherwise you can just call it invasion.
Explains a lot when your understanding of the subject is based on a superficial duck duck go search. Imperialism represents a predatory, exploitative system where advanced capitalist nations dominate and exploit weaker nations for resources, markets, and profit. A country going to war is not itself a sign of imperialism, and anybody who actually bothered to understand the causes for the war in Ukraine would know that it was the west that was establishing economic and political dominance over Ukraine.
ilost7489
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
boonhet
in reply to ilost7489 • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
Grapho
in reply to boonhet • • •like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to ilost7489 • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Dhs92
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Grapho
in reply to Dhs92 • • •Glide
in reply to Grapho • • •like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Glide • • •Grapho
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
Grapho
in reply to ilost7489 • • •Citizens in China of all ethnicities are satisfied with their government, even Harvard, Pew, and Statista quote a number higher than 90%.
If they're authoritarian, what is Klanada, where like 30% were satisfied with the government but all their options are somehow "the same" or "more nazi"?
like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
TachyonTele
in reply to ilost7489 • • •Mythra
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •like this
metaStatic likes this.
darharrison
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Grapho
in reply to darharrison • • •You can call it "nuance" all you want, it doesn't change that such a critical stance is always rooted in state department propaganda.
Western "leftists" trust imperialists more than foreign PoC, which surprises nobody.
Glide
in reply to Grapho • • •So instead, we should trust... The other ogliarchic and blatantly fascist empires?
Call me crazy, but I don't think unapologetic fascism is "leftist."
like this
metaStatic likes this.
don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
Dessalines
in reply to Glide • • •Glide
in reply to Dessalines • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
Grapho
in reply to Glide • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Glide
in reply to Grapho • • •What conclusion are you proposing that I came to? My only statement was that denying Western media in favor of Eastern media is not "leftist." Everything else you and Dessalines have attempted to drag into this discussion is creating either a false dichotomy or a strawman, in some cases both. The options are not "either you listen to PoC or you listen to Western Media," because not all Western Media nor people of colour agree on every position. Whatever imaginary propaganda you are creating about the State suggesting that China is torturing minorities this minute is not something I have experienced, nor referenced. We have not presented the arguments that you are trying to deconstruct.
You are boxing with shadows, throwing fists with invisible monsters in the dark. I'm not sure if it's our of poor reading comprehension, poor critical thinking skills, or intentional dishonesty, but there's clearly a bias here that is useless to engage with.
Grapho
in reply to Glide • • •The post is talking about the DPRK and China.
Plural.
You're not being sneaky by refusing to state a clear argument and hiding behind liberal platitudes. There is no empire other than the US, and opposition to it is always framed as irredeemable evil and y'all eat it up.
Make an argument, cite your sources, or stop wasting everyone's time with deflection.
davel
in reply to Grapho • • •type of informal fallacy
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Codeviper828
in reply to davel • • •m532
in reply to Glide • • •like this
Dessalines and ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ like this.
PolandIsAStateOfMind
in reply to m532 • • •Dessalines
in reply to m532 • • •I heard this like a decade ago, but it's still is spot on:
Question: What's authoritarianism?
Answer: When you tell white people they can't do imperialism.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to darharrison • • •Dessalines
in reply to darharrison • • •The US has 800+ external military bases. All other countries combined have < 20.
A giant list of US atrocities
List of Atrocities committed by US authorities
essaysdarharrison
in reply to Dessalines • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to darharrison • • •SoleInvictus
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ and Dessalines like this.
Dessalines
in reply to darharrison • • •US imperialism, and more specifically, the division of the world into rich and poor countries (which US imperialism upholds with its military, dollar hegemony, and media dominance), is the primary evil in the world today.
When you accuse people pointing this out, of being "campist un-nuanced america-hating tankies", you're just showing your ignorance of the reality of images like the one above.
like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
darharrison
in reply to Dessalines • • •If you think you're gonna bait me into defending or denying America's history of foreign intervention then you've got another thing coming. It happened. Plenty of it is downright evil.
But sadly, it's not uniquely evil. Russia is waging an imperialist war of aggression and attempting a genocide of the Ukrainians, all while enriching their oligarchs as their civilians starve. China is repressing the Tibetans, committing genocide against the Uyghurs to create a Han ethnostate, threatening Taiwan, and is violating maritime borders in the South China Sea with their expansion of their naval presence.
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit, and work their people to the bone with companies in the country defying the ban on the 996 schedule enforcement. Russia considers LGBT people as a whole dissenters and arrests them simply for existing. Prominent political dissidents of Putin are simply murdered.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgr
... show moreIf you think you're gonna bait me into defending or denying America's history of foreign intervention then you've got another thing coming. It happened. Plenty of it is downright evil.
But sadly, it's not uniquely evil. Russia is waging an imperialist war of aggression and attempting a genocide of the Ukrainians, all while enriching their oligarchs as their civilians starve. China is repressing the Tibetans, committing genocide against the Uyghurs to create a Han ethnostate, threatening Taiwan, and is violating maritime borders in the South China Sea with their expansion of their naval presence.
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit, and work their people to the bone with companies in the country defying the ban on the 996 schedule enforcement. Russia considers LGBT people as a whole dissenters and arrests them simply for existing. Prominent political dissidents of Putin are simply murdered.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them, and principally why I categorically reject the notion that we are the world's primary evil. It's just not that simple. But I'll take our flawed, bourgeois democracy over domination by than the outright fascist rule by our competitors.
But above all that I prefer peace and freedom. No more violence in Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Tibet, and Xinjiang. Civil rights and decent living conditions for all.
don't like this
Dessalines and ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ don't like this.
JohnDClay
in reply to darharrison • • •don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
Lunar
in reply to JohnDClay • • •Dessalines
in reply to darharrison • • •Interesting. Why did the US go after Assange, Snowden, and Manning btw?
As usual, you gave zero evidence for any of your assertions. Every single one of your pro-US propaganda talking points have been disproved. Some links elaborating on them are in here.
Socialism FAQ
essaysdarharrison
in reply to Dessalines • • •So many of these sources are laughable. Reddit randos coping hard that their dictatorships sometimes get compared to the "bad" dictatorships. That is, provided one can even parse that out from all the deleted comments. Mountains of brainwashed articles that, when combined, can only be summarized as "pure hypocrisy".
I've already admitted that the US has committed genocide. You're not ready to admit the same about your precious China and Russia/ USSR, or any flaws for that matter. Just reflexive denials and whataboutism. Not a great hill to die on.
The quote at the beginning of this wall of delusion is actually pretty telling: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
You're not immune to propaganda.
You are not immune to propaganda.
don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
Grapho
in reply to darharrison • • •Lmao. Not even ForeignPolicy falls for such a blatant CIA talking point. Social credit is a measure to curb companies that act against the interest of people in the pursuit of profit, individual people don't come into the equation, you're to the right of warhawks on this one. To claim China is doing worse than the US is pure copium, it's like citizens of Nazi germany going "sure, Hitler might be bad, but wait til you learn about what he says the soviets are doing" which to be fair y'all also do.
... show moreOh, yeah.
Lmao. Not even ForeignPolicy falls for such a blatant CIA talking point. Social credit is a measure to curb companies that act against the interest of people in the pursuit of profit, individual people don't come into the equation, you're to the right of warhawks on this one. To claim China is doing worse than the US is pure copium, it's like citizens of Nazi germany going "sure, Hitler might be bad, but wait til you learn about what he says the soviets are doing" which to be fair y'all also do.
Oh, yeah. Huey P. Newton, MLK, Malcolm X, the entirety of the Ferguson protest organizers, Leonard Peltier, all of them free to speak their mind. Gary Webb and Julian Assange have been so highly commended for their work as well, you're so free in the land of the biggest carceral population in human history. I stg you could slot a gringo into fascist Italy and retexture it with icons of Americana and they'd feel right at home.
Lots of claims with zero sources but I wouldn't expect it from people who read a RFA-regurgitated headline and consider themselves thoroughly informed on the matter. Glad you don't want more violence in Xinjiang, but fret no more, China worked on solving it via schools instead of black sites like the US did, and succeeded where the US and its weapons makers profit from ensuring failure.
Opinion | Xinjiang: what the West doesn’t tell you about China’s war on terror
Weijian Shan (South China Morning Post)like this
Dessalines likes this.
Glide
in reply to darharrison • • •This is so much more reason that these tankies deserve tbh. I appreciate you taking the time to put it into words.
These people should actually try talking to foreigners, students and immigrants. The picture Ukrainian refugees and Taiwanese students paint is a lot less forgiving than the completely unsubstantiated, pseudo-intellectuslist "but that's CIA propaganda" arguments these authoritarian "leftists" like to throw around. I'm sure such first-hand accounts would be as readily dismissed, mind you, because the goal is clearly not to have an honest discussion to begin with.
Lunar
in reply to Glide • • •like this
Dessalines and ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ like this.
Glide
in reply to Lunar • • •I have. I taught Chinese students at the same time as those Taiwanese ones, and having them in a room together was often a challenge. The brainwashed ideologies the Chinese students often held in the face of evidence was much like that of fervent MAGA supporters.
The only thing I can say with absolute certainty is that Nationalism is fucked, whether it's the American or the Chinese brand.
don't like this
Dessalines and ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ don't like this.
AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Glide • • •Lunar
in reply to Glide • • •maybe your "evidence" was a load of crap and they knew it
social credit has never been a thing in china. i've lived there.
like this
Dessalines likes this.
Grapho
in reply to Lunar • • •AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to darharrison • • •like this
Dessalines and ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ like this.
TC_209 [he/him, pup/pup's]
in reply to darharrison • • •Court Jester mindset.
davel
in reply to darharrison • • •blog.reddit -- what's new on reddit: Get ready for Global reddit Meetup Day, plus some stats about top reddit cities and languages.
web.archive.orgKras Mazov
in reply to darharrison • • •A bunch of sourceless claims.
It's always nice seeing you shitheads on the side as the slavers. Fuck China for liberating Tibet amirite my fellow redditors?
Arab countries have send representatives to China and unmasked the false western propaganda of Uyghur genocide, please try something new, this horse has been beaten to death. Not even the west is clinging to this narrative anymore.
... show morePolice arrest pro-Palestinian protesters outside of New York Stock Exchange.
A bunch of sourceless claims.
It's always nice seeing you shitheads on the side as the slavers. Fuck China for liberating Tibet amirite my fellow redditors?
Arab countries have send representatives to China and unmasked the false western propaganda of Uyghur genocide, please try something new, this horse has been beaten to death. Not even the west is clinging to this narrative anymore.
Police arrest pro-Palestinian protesters outside of New York Stock Exchange.
China's Orwellian Social Credit Isn't Real.
MLK and Huey P. Newton. Also the police arresting pro-Palestinian protesters I already linked.
The US is the one supporting fascists worldwide. Just look at the history of US interventions. Here's three examples in Latin America alone: Fulgencio Batista, US backed military coup in Chile that put Pinochet in power and the US backed military coup in Brasil in 1964.
As evidenced above, no you do not.
China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real
Jamie Horsley (Foreign Policy)davel
in reply to Kras Mazov • • •BeamBrain [he/him]
in reply to darharrison • • •I'll be sure to tell this to my friend who got his skull cracked and phone stolen by cops for protesting our involvement in Israel's genocide.
Grapho
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •UltraGiGaGigantic
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •Grapho
in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •The enlightened position of hating your fellow worker whether at home or abroad (but mostly the ones abroad).
Wow, wonder who gave you such a revolutionary, ironclad idea and why.
Lunar
in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •lol sure kiddo businessinsider.com/typical-ch…
Not only are you wrong, but you also omit the important fact that the standard of living in Europe is built on brutal exploitation of the people in the Global South being the clown that you are.
Typical Chinese adult is now richer than average European: report
Jyoti Mann (Business Insider)like this
Dessalines likes this.
Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •What has wealth do to with everything? Thinking money has anything to do with happiness is the stupidest take I've seen in day. Not months because there's still the AfD.
Also, everything is built on exploitation. And again, I'm not saying our government and system is good, it's just not as shit as others who surveil and execute their citizens.
don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ and Dessalines don't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Once again you honor us with a reductive argument based on a soundbite you heard and didn't spend any time actually thinking about. The reality is that wealth beyond a certain point stops making people happy penntoday.upenn.edu/news/does-…
Also, everything is not built on exploitation. Only an utter ignoramus brainwashed by capitalism would believe that.
Does more money correlate with greater happiness? | Penn Today
Penn TodayLucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •So if your whole live is surveiled, you are on the brink of being executed if you are different, you work 9 to 9, you are then happy because you are slightly more wealthy and can do ... well what? Pay Xi to be more free? Bribe the Maktoum? Or just do drugs to not suicide?
Which countries are actually free and not build on exploitation then, excluding the arctis?
don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •It's not surveiled. I don't have a phone with spyware preinstalled. There are no cameras, by law and in practice. I can pay in cash. I can wear what I want. I can choose a provider and they don't even know who I am.
If you ask north koreans, they are probably happy too. Because they don't know that it can be different.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
SoleInvictus
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
davel
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •The reason you believe all this nonsense is because you’ve uncritically accepted the propaganda that Western governments and Western corporate media have been flooding you with your entire life.
I try to point people toward developing real media literacy.
like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ likes this.
m532
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Lunar
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •ShinkanTrain
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
Dessalines
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to Dessalines • • •don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
Dessalines
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •Lucy :3
in reply to Dessalines • • •davel
in reply to Lucy :3 • • •1978 book by Edward W. Said
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)like this
Dessalines likes this.
daydrinkingchickadee
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
rbesfe
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •If your view on Ukraine is opposite that of the state dept, you're probably just ingesting unhealthy amounts of Russian propaganda.
Also ask any Russian LGBT activists how their lives are going right now. Oh wait, you can't because they're in jail. Sickens me that supposed "leftists" will run interference for such a blatantly bigoted regime.
don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to rbesfe • • •rbesfe
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •logical fallacy
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to rbesfe • • •random
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to random • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
random
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to random • • •like this
Dessalines likes this.
random
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •no, I don't think so, I think it's actually funny how you belive everything out of russia and china without critical thinking, if you'd hold russian and chinese media outlets to the same level of responsibility you do with american media outlets, you'd realise, that you've been fed some lies
also just fuck russia and china, they're authoritarian and at least russia actively imprisons members of the opposition or the lgbt community
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
Dessalines
in reply to random • • •Is Russia imperialist? | MR Online
Webmaster (MR Online)random
in reply to Dessalines • • •> imperialism is when invading other countries
> russia invades ukraine
> russia isn't imperialist
mfw
like this
Dessalines likes this.
don't like this
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ doesn't like this.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to random • • •random
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •already replied to a comment suggesting something similar:
lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1243…
random
2025-01-17 06:28:25
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to random • • •☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to random • • •random
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •imperialism (from ddg):
I think you can read
EDIT: forgot the src
duckduckgo.com/?q=imperialism+…
don't like this
Dessalines doesn't like this.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
in reply to random • • •