" How can you list OVH as outside US-jurisdiction, when they offer, US based servers? "
Explaining legality on social media, is not easy. This is why people hire lawyers, why I wish legalese was illegal, and I certainly wish all laws were written in the common tongue. Because explaining things to people, is not always easy, and doing it on social media, confined into a simple post, even harder. But I'll try, and I'll keep it simple.
1st, you need to know, OVH has fought the United States Government in a court of law, and won (See URL). That is no easy task.
The United States absolutely wanted WikiLeaks, the website which was sharing their top secret, confidential information, to be taken offline. OVH, being a French company, based out of France, disagreed. And they were able to do this, because they have no services in the United States.
I know, you're thinking, but wait, they sell US-based servers. They're technically reselling. In the US, OVH is a customer, the same way you're a customer. They lease from other web hosting companies, and instead of using those servers for themselves, they hand them over to you.
This is why, if any of you have previously ordered services from OVH, especially if you ordered more than one, you noticed how vastly different the service may be if you ordered a US Server. Not all web hosting providers are created equal, and some of the US-based companies OVH subscribed from are better than others.
It is also why, if you ordered an OVH Server in the US and another in France, but had a question for both, you received a quick reply concerning the France server. But you likely noticed a downgrade in customer support from a US server, because, your, inquire is passed along from OVH to the US, back to OVH, and then to you. OVH is a customer of the customer service offered in the USA.
OVH is only a customer and that distinguish difference is why OVH was able to fight the United States in a court of law, arguing both they, their website, and the direct services they offer were not under US-jurisdiction, and why WikiLeaks, much to the horror of the United States Government, remained online, spilling all their private secrets, even today (it is still online). Although, today, they're hosted by Scaleway, which I also included in my list of recommended web hosting providers.
When I listed OVH, I trusted YOU to be smart enough not to order a US-based server. Which you should not do, because, of course, than your website falls under US-jurisdiction. And, had WikiLeaks been on one of those US Servers at the time, they most certainly would have been shutdown.
OVH is an unusual exception. They are not the norm. Most providers who offer servers in the USA, own their own hardware, and hire their own staff, with their own office located in the USA. OVH is not one of those companies, and like any customer, they can unsubscribe and move on. Which OVH did for a time.
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in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Here is an updated copy of my list (January 25, 2025) of service providers outside the United States jurisdiction. 😉
Naturally, making this list is not easy. These are two types of companies I avoided in making my list.
1) Those who actually fall under US-jurisdiction because they are based or owned by a company in the USA.
More than often, I will stumble over a company that appears to be outside the USA, but later find they are owned by another corporation based inside the USA, and so they do fall under US-jurisdiction.
2) Those who voluntarily give up their sovereignty to the United States. The 2nd type, who voluntarily gives up their sovereignty in the way of US jurisdiction, have whole sections of their terms concerning US Laws and US based customers. If a fascist government says jump, these people will ask, how high?!
I encourage people to scrutinize my list. The old saying, "trust, but verify", is something I believe in.
🤫 VPN =
* iVPN, located in Gibraltar, Europe (UK territory)
... show moreHere is an updated copy of my list (January 25, 2025) of service providers outside the United States jurisdiction. ๐
Naturally, making this list is not easy. These are two types of companies I avoided in making my list.
1) Those who actually fall under US-jurisdiction because they are based or owned by a company in the USA.
More than often, I will stumble over a company that appears to be outside the USA, but later find they are owned by another corporation based inside the USA, and so they do fall under US-jurisdiction.
2) Those who voluntarily give up their sovereignty to the United States. The 2nd type, who voluntarily gives up their sovereignty in the way of US jurisdiction, have whole sections of their terms concerning US Laws and US based customers. If a fascist government says jump, these people will ask, how high?!
I encourage people to scrutinize my list. The old saying, "trust, but verify", is something I believe in.
๐คซ VPN =
* iVPN, located in Gibraltar, Europe (UK territory)
ivpn.net/
* Mullvad VPN, located in Sweden, Europe
mullvad.net/
* Goose VPN, located in the Netherlands, Europe
goosevpn.com/
* Xeovo VPN, located in Finland, Europe
xeovo.com/
๐ Managed DNS =
* AdGuard DNS, located in Cyprus, Europe
adguard-dns.io/
* ClouDNS, located in Bulgaria, Europe
cloudns.net/
* deSEC, located in Germany, Europe
desec.io/
๐ Public DNS =
* CIRA Canadian Shield, located in Canada, North America
cira.ca/en/canadian-shield/conโฆ
* Mullvad DNS, located in Sweden, Europe
mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-hโฆ
๐ Privacy focused e-mail =
* Tuta, located in Germany, Europe
tuta.com/
* Soverin, located in the Netherlands, Europe
soverin.com/
* Startmail, located in the Netherlands, Europe
startmail.com/
* Mailfence, located in Belgium, Europe
mailfence.com/
๐ Domain Registration / Web Hosting =
* Scalewy, located in France, Europe
scaleway.com/
* OVH, located in France, Europe
ovhcloud.com/
* Netcup, located in Germany, Europe
netcup.com/
* Jottam located in Norway, Europe
jottacloud.com
* Bahnhof, located in Sweden, Europe
bahnhof.cloud
* Glesys, located in Sweden, Europe
glesys.com/
๐ CDN =
* OVH, located in France, Europe
ovhcloud.com/en/web-hosting/opโฆ
* Key CDN, located in Switzerland, Europe
keycdn.com/
#WebHosting #Vpn #Dns #Cdn #Email #Domain #Project2025 #UnitedStates #Usa #Facism #UsJurisdiction
Mullvad VPN - Free the internet
MullvadNorman - โ๏ธ ๐
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Dedicated Server, Cloud, Storage & Hosting
www.hetzner.comLinux Is Best
in reply to Norman - โ๏ธ ๐ • • •I would not recommend, Hetzner, as they are not LGBTQ+ friendly.
In 2024, many Fedi sites, were taken down because they had photos or drawings of women kissing each other or men kissing each other.
#Fedi #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Hetzer #Mastodon #Misskey #CherryPick #LGBTQ #LGBTQ+
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in reply to Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ • • •I have a post on how Ionos falls under Us-jurisdiction. This thread was about avoiding that.
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2025-01-26 02:42:05
Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ
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in reply to Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ • • •It does not.
US-jurisdiction claims subsidiaries and associated parent companies.
It is meant, in my opinion, to be predictoral. Once you're in, you're all in.
Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Norman - โ๏ธ ๐
in reply to Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ • • •Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ
in reply to Norman - โ๏ธ ๐ • • •I'm afraid France and Germany weren't on the list. Thanks, though!
EDIT: France has just randomly appeared. I'll wait and see if Germany does, too.
Laurent โ แแแข
in reply to Edan Osborne ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธโพ๏ธ • • •@nrmn @Linux_Is_Best
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in reply to Linux Is Best • • •I am going to add:
* Hosting Dot NL, located in the Netherlands, Europe
hosting.nl
To the next updated list, but I am going to ignore the other companies Cyso Group owns. Because I dislike it when 1 company owns many brands, within the same industry, giving the illusion of competition, when in reality it is the same company.
Hosting.NL | Domeinnamen, hosting, website, e-mail, VPS en nog veel meer.
Hosting.NLLinux Is Best
in reply to Linux Is Best • • •I would not recommend anything under the "United Internet AG" umbrella. They own many web hosting companies (see URL) and some of those companies are divided up into sub companies, based in the United States.
IONOS is a good example. If you visit Ionos.co.uk you'll be told they're governed under the laws of the England and Wales. But if you visit, Ionos.com, they'll inform you they're based out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
They're not above reproach.
united-internet.de
Europas Internet-Spezialist - United Internet AG
United Internet AGAlexandre Hen
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in reply to Alexandre Hen • • •I would NOT recommend, Infomaniak.
1st, the company claiming to be based in Switzerland, starts their terms out by saying, only the French version, which they do not supply, has relations with themselves and the customer.
2nd, the code of conduct, implies they have relations with a company known as, "Swico" which outlines their relationship with the USA and Europe infomaniak.com/documents/simsaโฆ